The Chicken or Egg dilemma with Pakistan ODI team

[Slog]

Is the Pakistan ODI team so poor and ranked #8,9 because of players like Akmals, Shehzad, Malik, Hafeez etc being in the team ?

OR

Are these players like Malik, Hafeez, Akmals and Shehzad making the team because we are so poor to begin with and that arguably for a team ranked #8 or #9, these guys make the team on merit?

I think, it's a chicken and egg scenario. For a #9 team, these player make the team or we can say that it's because of such players that we are ranked number. 8, 9.

 

[Rayyman]

So we are ranked- #8. Ideally we should be rebuilding. The goal of rebuilding is to give young players experience so that in 2-3 years, they will gel individually and as a team and have more potential to do greater things than old players would. Now, PCB isn't giving opportunities to younger players and because of this, there is a high possibility of Pakistan being ranked outside of the Top 5 in 4-5 years time.

An example that has been talked about before on PP is the rebuilding of England. England were booted out of the WC because they played TTFs such as Cook, Anderson, Bell, etc. in ODIs. They failed to keep up with modern cricket and didn't even make the quarter-finals. 2 years from then, England are a Top 3 ODI side and only have two players over 30(Plunkett-31 and Morgan-30). So one would assume they will be a potent ODI side for the next 5-6 years too.

Pakistan needs to rebuild and all of PP knows this, but sadly the PCB don't.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Yes Talent has been dry, but are we even getting close to maximising what we have ? That's what matters

Azhar Ali as odi captain was doomed to start off with and wasted 2 years

Then you have brainless stuff like professor and shafiq getting so many games

 

[Slog]

So we are ranked- #8. Ideally we should be rebuilding. The goal of rebuilding is to give young players experience so that in 2-3 years, they will gel individually and as a team and have more potential to do greater things than old players would. Now, PCB isn't giving opportunities to younger players and because of this, there is a high possibility of Pakistan being ranked outside of the Top 5 in 4-5 years time.

An example that has been talked about before on PP is the rebuilding of England. England were booted out of the WC because they played TTFs such as Cook, Anderson, Bell, etc. in ODIs. They failed to keep up with modern cricket and didn't even make the quarter-finals. 2 years from then, England are a Top 3 ODI side and only have two players over 30(Plunkett-31 and Morgan-30). So one would assume they will be a potent ODI side for the next 5-6 years too.

Pakistan needs to rebuild and all of PP knows this, but sadly the PCB don't.

Its not as easy and the example of England you give is not relevant

The problem with England was that they were going for experience of players such as Bell or Cook and benching talented, aggressive youth like Hales, Roy, Buttler.

There isnt much to suggest that in our bench strength we have players even close to the levels of the players England got in the team.

 

[Rayyman]

Its not as easy and the example of England you give is not relevant

The problem with England was that they were going for experience of players such as Bell or Cook and benching talented, aggressive youth like Hales, Roy, Buttler.

There isnt much to suggest that in our bench strength we have players even close to the levels of the players England got in the team.

As [MENTION=57355]pakistanigoneaussie[/MENTION] said above, the talent is dry, but they need to maximize it. Youngsters will at least get experience and hopefully improve in a few years from now, but the TTFs might only win a few matches here and there before retiring in 5 years leaving the rebuilding process to start from the bottom up.

 

[Slog]

As [MENTION=57355]pakistanigoneaussie[/MENTION] said above, the talent is dry, but they need to maximize it. Youngsters will at least get experience and hopefully improve in a few years from now, but the TTFs might only win a few matches here and there before retiring in 5 years leaving the rebuilding process to start from the bottom up.

Problem is when you are at #9, you dont have the luxury to keep losing because we might actualy miss the WC

This logic worked in the past lets say in 2013-14 when we were in same dilemma, because no matter how much we lost atleast WC qualifiction was not up for debate

 

[Rayyman]

Problem is when you are at #9, you dont have the luxury to keep losing because we might actualy miss the WC

This logic worked in the past lets say in 2013-14 when we were in same dilemma, because no matter how much we lost atleast WC qualifiction was not up for debate

Then why not go to WC qualification?

It's not like we are going to lose that anyway. Just look at our last match v.s. Ireland. LOL.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Problem is when you are at #9, you dont have the luxury to keep losing because we might actualy miss the WC

This logic worked in the past lets say in 2013-14 when we were in same dilemma, because no matter how much we lost atleast WC qualifiction was not up for debate

Bro misbah eara we have largely picked seniors , Azhar Ali era it's been a bit of both. Not like it's worked


What annoys me isn't selections like kamran or shezhad, there is merit there, what annoys me is picking riaz when he has done nothing, picking professor and batting him at the top when he has done nothing. We never seem to get a settled batting order and it generally due to the fact we have to accomodate a failure or 2

Further you have insane decisions like not picking an actual lower order batsman or a player capable of doing the job

 

[Syed1]

Can't expect the same people who took us to number 8/9 to take us to number 4-6.

It doesn't work that way, but Inzi the revolutionary is too thick or too incompetent to realize that.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Good luck with improving in the rankings with several TTFs in the team

 

[Pete Rose]

A batting order of Shehzad, Akmal, Hafeez, Malik, Sarfaraz, others is going to lose 9 out of 10 times when playing the big boys or playing any team when under pressure.