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The dangerous precedent set by Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan

shaz619

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Firstly, before I get some expected hostile responses; you'd know that I am a BIG fan of both men for what they have done for Pakistan cricket it is unprecedented.

Both are world class performers and on their day can do well enough to influence a Test to the point where a victory is forced, quiet frankly if they were replaced from the word go maybe there'd be batsman who are a little more consistent but don't exactly win a match in the same fashion e.g Khan at the Oval.

Lets just forget their performances since the England series and assume hypothetically that at the age of 40+ they are both amongst the fittest on the planet and in great form! EVEN THEN, a logical justification can not be given for their SELECTION.

Why?

Because the FUTURE of PAKISTAN CRICKET is being SACRIFICED, now believe you me; am not saying there is a Viv Richards waiting in the wings or a matching winning version of Sachin Tendulkar :steyn but when two 40+ players are constantly picked we will never be able to find ourselves in a position where upcoming talent is developed for the international level and invested in when they are given the opportunity to put the green shirt on.

The dangerous precedent set advocates the selection of TTF's past their prime who are scoring at the domestic level, the trickery forces people to accept their selection because on the surface it is morally correct; but what they don't understand is that the international level is a completely different ball game, I recall a famous quote from Michael Holding but feel free to correct me; it went something like this "Prior to my debut, I bowled 9 overs in the nets just fine! but at the international level after 5 overs I felt like I had completely gassed like the Ultimate Warrior during his ring entrance before a match, people don't understand how pressure can affect your overall output" that's just an example.

Another one, Frankie Gavin and Audley Harrison were fantastic boxer's at the amateur level but when they made the transition to the pro's they were found out given their lack of strength mentally and not being able to step up a level. Examples in cricket, Mark Ramprakash, Graem Hick and Mark Butcher also failed to step up despite their stellar records at the FC level, if they had represented Pakistan perhaps they'd have played 200 Tests each!

LITERAL domestic performances are not always a great indication of whether or not these oldies still have it, sure there are rare exceptions e.g Mr.Cricket but the general guideline and consensus is this, the older you get the HEART may want to FIGHT, but the BODY and MIND just do not RESPOND. When we look at the domestic charts, there needs to be a certain limit on the age for selection. I'd personally include one oldie in the team and pick my best batsman and bowlers under the age of 28 when looking at the charts and judging their talent in person; it's the only way we can benefit in the long term.

Now, we are seeing many players come out with such statements "If Misbah/Khan can, why not me? age is only a number" Whether it is a number or not is completely irrelevant! constantly picking oldies will take the Oxygen out of Pakistan Cricket, we can not continue on life support.

There you have it, I have provided a logical explanations for never picking Khan or Misbah based on the hypothetical scenario that both are fit and in form at 40+. However, it cannot be denied that in reality their performances in recent times arguably warrant an immediate drop from the Pakistan team; even more so in the case of Misbah ul Haq.

Potentially we could have put up with one Oldie (Preferably Younis Khan), but two Oldies? Astaghfirullah forgive me lord.
 
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I completely agree.

The future is being damaged. Badly.
 
Agreed, it's up to the selectors to make sure they keep blooding the youngsters in the team, maintain a good balance between youth and experience and also look to build for the future.

With that being said, I think both YK and Misbah are also setting a good example for everybody to work hard on their fitness. Most of our players are notorious for neglecting their fitness lol.
 
Have been saying this for a long time despite being a HUGE fan of Misbah Ul Haq. I would go far enough to say that maybe want Misbah to be in the team even after the WI series but that does not deny the fact that this will dent Pakistan cricket majorly because players like Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Shoaib Malik, Younis Khan, Sohail Khan and co will want to carry on forever.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] good post.

Misbah should announce that West Indies is his last tour.

YK should announce that he will retire after he get 10K runs.

Kamran Akmal should not be selected in any squad using the example of Misbah and YK. Kamran Akmal is not fit to tie their shoes.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] im eternally grateful for rescuing Pak cricket from its lowing ebb and turn our team into a respectable one whos conduct under Misbah is admired by everyone. But this WI tour really has to be his last tour or he will officially become the Wenger of Pakistan Cricket whos legacy will be hurt by his stubboness Same with YK hes a legend for us and after he makes history for us getting to 10k he should retire with grace. No point Misbah and YK plundering teams in the UAE then in a couple of years time being embarrased outside Asia again. Its time for some young blood. If we had to keep one oldie to guide young talent then id keep YK for another 12 months maybe but thats pushing it.
 
Agreed. Misbah should have retired by now. He is clearly past his best as a batsman, and his captaincy seems outdated. The West Indies tour would have been perfect for blooding in a new captain and a new batsman in his place. Younis Khan should also be on his way out now with this possibly being his last tour. It would have been ideal for a new batsman to come in Misbahs place so that he would get an opportunity to bat with and learn from Younis while he is still there (and still able to score some runs).
 
This is a country that let Younis Khan publically blackmail his way into a world cup, why are we surprised that we have these problems now ?
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] im eternally grateful for rescuing Pak cricket from its lowing ebb and turn our team into a respectable one whos conduct under Misbah is admired by everyone. But this WI tour really has to be his last tour or he will officially become the Wenger of Pakistan Cricket whos legacy will be hurt by his stubboness Same with YK hes a legend for us and after he makes history for us getting to 10k he should retire with grace. No point Misbah and YK plundering teams in the UAE then in a couple of years time being embarrased outside Asia again. Its time for some young blood. If we had to keep one oldie to guide young talent then id keep YK for another 12 months maybe but thats pushing it.

I totally agree with you, there's not a cricketer I respect more then Misbah and what he has done for Pakistan but he is better then this, am not sure based on what logic he has decided to continue. In addition his performances have been quiet poor. At best we can put up with one oldie and Khan does have a little bit of leeway having scored hundred in ENG and AUS whilst he also chased the decorated 10K mark, and you could also argue that the youngsters could benefit from his company. But if the Pak team were to cut both Misbah and Khan I would not complain.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] good post.

Misbah should announce that West Indies is his last tour.

YK should announce that he will retire after he get 10K runs.

Kamran Akmal should not be selected in any squad using the example of Misbah and YK. Kamran Akmal is not fit to tie their shoes.

You just never know with Pakistani cricketers, they never retire in grace; you have to boot them out, I thought Misbah was above this.....

Khan will probably continue beyond 10K and retire when he has no hunger to score runs.

Kamran will be selected given the vaccancy at the top of the order, I believe he has been called for a camp
 
I completely agree.

The future is being damaged. Badly.

I've given you a bit of stick for your views at times, when I try to look past the fact that you're from Manchester you actually sound quiet intelligent! :yk3 It's very dangerous, the seniority complex needs to end and our selection policy needs to change or else this will behave as a chain reaction "If Misbah can, why can't I?!" :facepalm:
 
Its all about making money from here for Misbah and Younis .... they wont retire, they will keep milking

This is an interesting point which has not been discussed as much, good post! money could be a motivating factor more then anything else
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

I agree. Now somebody like Kamran Akmal is coming out and saying that he can continue until his 40s. :facepalm:
 
Agreed, it's up to the selectors to make sure they keep blooding the youngsters in the team, maintain a good balance between youth and experience and also look to build for the future.

With that being said, I think both YK and Misbah are also setting a good example for everybody to work hard on their fitness. Most of our players are notorious for neglecting their fitness lol.

Definitely, they set great standards in terms of fitness but age is a funny thing bit like addiction; you may smoke very often and tell people "bro am not addicted am in control" but the thing with addiction is that when you experience it you're not entirely aware of the fact that you're an addict. In this instance, Misbah may be incredibly fit but your body won't react the same way it did when you were 26; look at Ronda Rousey in her last fight, she was in the best shape of her career and that was all she wrote! We saw what happened to Muhammad Ali when he fought longer then he should have.

Mishab and Khan may feel good but like I said, there comes a time when the heart wants to fight but the body/mind just don't respond, Khan is still a match winner but he generally struggles barring the 1 big knock per series which is valuable in itself because we tend to win the Test but believe you me he is past his prime, he has been past his prime for about 5 years now and despite that he does enough to perform at the world class level but he isn't the same player he use to be and like you say we need to build for the future eventually. Misbah was never naturally gifted so unlike Khan who makes up for his lack of reflex's with skill he has completely fallen apart and in challenging wickets this will be highlighted further.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

I agree. Now somebody like Kamran Akmal is coming out and saying that he can continue until his 40s. :facepalm:

Maybe we should go for an FC trial, by the time we hit out peak am pretty sure the PCB will consider us for selection :afridi
 
Maybe we should go for an FC trial, by the time we hit out peak am pretty sure the PCB will consider us for selection :afridi

Speak for yourself. :D

I am not even 20 yet. :babarazam

On topic, if Misbah and Younis continue, then TTFs like Hafeez, Ajmal, Farhat, etc. will not retire soon and they will block places for youngsters. Even in domestic cricket.
 
Misbah should have retired already... after the dismal series against Australia
 
Speak for yourself. :D

I am not even 20 yet. :babarazam

On topic, if Misbah and Younis continue, then TTFs like Hafeez, Ajmal, Farhat, etc. will not retire soon and they will block places for youngsters. Even in domestic cricket.

I knew it! could tell from your posts :yk I got another 16 years till I hit the golden 40 to attain the goldy seniority status which shall ensure me selection forevs! :faf

That's the sad truth my friend, they all will feel like they have a chance so long they top the charts but taking such performances literally is a little bit naive on the selectors part. Sure there are exceptions here and there but it's not the rule.
 
Age is just number. Misbah and Younis can play for another 15 years. There power of youth never stops.
 
The funny thing is that YK is listed at 39, but he is actually already 42.

Misbah is actually 42 and still playing.

YK might go till he is 42 officially so that will make him 45 if he retires then. :yk3
 
It's sadly Pakistani culture where if someone is older, they're automatically right and are not allowed to be questioned. I don't understand how such logic has been spilled into cricket too.

Fact is, Pakistan test team has only 2 (3 when Sami Aslam is back) players under the age of 30 which is outrageous. Good thing Mickey is there else I wouldn't be surprised if players like Hafeez were there ahead of Babar, making it only 1 player <30.

With a precedent like this, there's no wonder rubbish batsmen like Kakmal think they have the right to play, even now.
 
I think the Indian mindset was similar until Dhoni came along and brought Jadeja , Ashwin , Raina, Kumar , Rayudu in the team mix and that shifted the focus. Until Dhoni's rise , India was quite dependent and content with Gambhir , Yuvraj , VVS , Harbhajan as well with no building blocks for the future.I give credit to Dhoni on how he shaped the team for the future, regardless of how many matches they won or lost.

For Pakistan team to do this , they need a leader - not just a good captain but a Leader who can prove his competency on the field , likened by masses and can then take a stand when he is secure enough.
 
You only have to look at Cook's example. A legend retiring at 32 to make way for a young captain.

Here we have a 42 year old who won't retire and the next captain in wings is going to be almost 30.
 
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I agree with you. Both have been fabulous players for us but it's time to move on. Misbah is currently being picked because he is captain and not because of his batting. I think Younis will still be a Pakistan player in 2018.
 
I think this thread is very specific to test cricket in which we have, or at least are currently in the process of, building a good youngster base with the likes of Babar Azam, Asad Shafique, Azhar Ali etc. Furthermore , one can't simply discount the fact that Younis is one of the fittest if not the fittest player in the test team. The younger players, as good as they are, clearly need more time to develop themselves in Test Cricket and that can only be done by playing around the likes of Younis Khan.

Someone gave example of the Indian team earlier but If Kohli, Sharma, Rahane etc did not spend time initially with the likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag etc., their confidence would not have been where it is now.
 
Just to add on to the point. Both Misbah and Younis have kept themselves extremely fit to play this long that is not a bad precedent to set by any means.
 
Younis' and Misbah's time is up. Please retire. They might score against WI but really wish that we play youngsters over them in a tour like WI.
 
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