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This is more of a road to Ct 2025 thread but I changed the name because I feel like this is pretty much it for pakistan and their is no further input needed from me related to the affairs of Pakistan cricket post ct 2025 as their is nothing that can be done.

As soon as Pakistan achieved no 1 rank in odi they

A) Received a very brutal beating in the Asia cup post Nepal Game.

B) Received a very brutal beating in WC 2023 where they lost to every team excluding Bangladesh and Nedtherlands who they beat definitively. New Zealand and Sri lanka was mostly luck as but bowling sides were poor vs sri lanka so it was toss dependent and NZ was a fakhar zaman special + Drs interference. Heck pakistan even lost their warmup games with the likes of David Warner bowling.

C) Recieved a Aussie test series bashing following by a Jan t20 series NZ bashing.

D) Had troubles against Ireland and C team NZ

E) Brutal bashing by England in the t20 series.

F) Got decimated in t20 world cup bring eliminated by USA of all teams.

G) Brutal beating a home by Bangladesh

H) First team in history to lose a test game by an innings despite scoring 556 first. And I am convinced pakistan will lose 3-0 to England with the best outcome maybe to draw in one game at best.

In the recently concluded Champions cup, it was clear pakistan is decades behind. Despite road tracks, not a single attempt by anyone in our circuit to get a 400 to 450 score and not a single bowler grabbed my attention besides the raw Ali raza who despite being average, can atleast bowl 145+ which no one else in the circuit can do.

Utterly atrocious domestic culture as well as the fact that none of the senior players even attempt to play red ball cricket(fc) yet are parading around in the International test circuit.

Champions Trophy 2025 is the last glimmer of hope as at the very least, Pakistan remains defending champions to this day.

But I firmly believe that post ct 2025, it's over.

All I have to say is, Thank you Misbah, Babar, Rizwan, Chacha, Naqvi, Wasim Khan, Ramiz Raja, Shan, and anyone who I may or may not have missed for your brilliant services to our nation.

You successfully destroyed dilon ka Kaptaan's career all to promote your rubbish and dismantle your domestic culture. I hope you're very very proud of losing that no 1 t20 rank, and soon losing Ct defending champions title very likely at the hands of Aus, Eng or India.
 
mominsaigol said:
This is more of a road to Ct 2025 thread but I changed the name because I feel like this is pretty much it for pakistan and their is no further input needed from me related to the affairs of Pakistan cricket post ct 2025 as their is nothing that can be done.

As soon as Pakistan achieved no 1 rank in odi they

A) Received a very brutal beating in the Asia cup post Nepal Game.

B) Received a very brutal beating in WC 2023 where they lost to every team excluding Bangladesh and Nedtherlands who they beat definitively. New Zealand and Sri lanka was mostly luck as but bowling sides were poor vs sri lanka so it was toss dependent and NZ was a fakhar zaman special + Drs interference. Heck pakistan even lost their warmup games with the likes of David Warner bowling.

C) Recieved a Aussie test series bashing following by a Jan t20 series NZ bashing.

D) Had troubles against Ireland and C team NZ

E) Brutal bashing by England in the t20 series.

F) Got decimated in t20 world cup bring eliminated by USA of all teams.

G) Brutal beating a home by Bangladesh

H) First team in history to lose a test game by an innings despite scoring 556 first. And I am convinced pakistan will lose 3-0 to England with the best outcome maybe to draw in one game at best.

In the recently concluded Champions cup, it was clear pakistan is decades behind. Despite road tracks, not a single attempt by anyone in our circuit to get a 400 to 450 score and not a single bowler grabbed my attention besides the raw Ali raza who despite being average, can atleast bowl 145+ which no one else in the circuit can do.

Utterly atrocious domestic culture as well as the fact that none of the senior players even attempt to play red ball cricket(fc) yet are parading around in the International test circuit.

Champions Trophy 2025 is the last glimmer of hope as at the very least, Pakistan remains defending champions to this day.

But I firmly believe that post ct 2025, it's over.

All I have to say is, Thank you Misbah, Babar, Rizwan, Chacha, Naqvi, Wasim Khan, Ramiz Raja, Shan, and anyone who I may or may not have missed for your brilliant services to our nation.

You successfully destroyed dilon ka Kaptaan's career all to promote your rubbish and dismantle your domestic culture. I hope you're very very proud of losing that no 1 t20 rank, and soon losing Ct defending champions title very likely at the hands of Aus, Eng or India.
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Country as big as pakistan given the amount of resources they have access to in cricket will be fine. They will bounce back. I highly doubt it will go the hockey way. Pakistan still have passion for cricket. They just need to unearth one star that can play test format. Rest will follow. Pick from domestic comps. Enforce rules for players to participate in first class cricket If they want to play in psl

Lot of them are looking for short cuts. Want easy way out. Anyone who shows lack of interest should be immediately discarded.

Tie bonuses to performance in tests.

Then results will follow. Make pace friendly pitches or turning pitches. Whatever suits the domestic players.
 
"Defending champions of the Champions Trophy" is such a red herring.
 
Misbah and Waqar played a role in this downfall once again. Let's not forget about these two culprits who always come back and ruin things whenever there is hope for improvement in the future. The real brothers of destruction.
 
Pakistan has a huge population with a primary sports as cricket. I don't see the death of cricket in Pakistan despite going through worst phase. I don't think parallel with WI is present here. Wi is a collection of much smaller countries with money in other sports poaching talent. Not the situation in Pakistan. Cricket will do fine in Pakistan in long term. Pakistan should return in mid tier in future.

I suspect cricket situation is related with economic development. Once it starts moving in right direction, cricket will move as well. Meanwhile low hanging fruits like having good pitches, having policies for playing first class cricket, not allowing any single person to hold chief selctor and coach role, not having country head appointing PCB head, going hard on age related cheating etc will go a long way in helping Pakistani cricket.

Main thing is to not rely on any single person but develop a system which can't be damaged by anyone. SA had a good domestic and despite not playing internationals for a long time, came back with a bang in international cricket. So just focus on having good domestic set up. Everything will fall in place.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Saying the death of cricket as a whole is too much. The most we can say is the Death of TEST cricket.

Nobody is interested in test cricket that much.
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You mean in Pakistan?

Yeah, interest in a sport will be directly proportional to the person's favorite team's performance in that sport in my opinion. :unsure:

I would like to know if kids in Pakistan have developed interest in Javelin throwing lately.
 
It's dead but oddly enough, we still get that bit of transience now and again, last one being the ODI series win against Aus in their own backyard.
 
Kroll said:
It's dead but oddly enough, we still get that bit of transience now and again, last one being the ODI series win against Aus in their own backyard.
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Those are exceptions, not our norm..

We are the new chokers of world cricket.. the new all format losers...
 
usman.sandhu said:
I disagree - we cannot compete in any format..

This is the worst Pakistan cricket team I've ever seen..
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The whole shake-up in the PCB is not gonna work that soon. No coach is fixed here, leaving after 1-2 months, captaincy problems.

These things should be considered as well. The team is pathetic but the system is even more pathetic
 
Pakistan cricket has been like this always, no change in their character it's the lower teams which are closing gap,
 
Afghanistan will comfortably beat Pakistan today in both odi and T20.
 
I’m totally fed up with Pakistan cricket. We don’t have match winner like Ben Stokes nor do we have quality batters like Travis Head or Virat Kohli. Our bowling attack lacks bowlers like Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins or Kagiso Rabada.

We don’t have finishers like David Miller or Daryl Mitchell, we don't have quality spinners like Ashwin or Adil Rashid or fielders like Ravindra Jadeja.

What do we have? Players who only perform once in a blue moon against top teams and celebrate like minnows.

Babar Azam? Hardly won us 2-3 games on his own. Rizwan? Can’t recall a single game where he took us over the line like Carlos Brathwaite did. Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah? Are they even at Scott Boland’s level? Can you name one proper all-rounder in our team who can score centuries and take five wicket hauls? Name just one? And when it comes to spinners who matches the quality of Ashwin or Adil Rashid?

It’s all finished man. We have nothing. Is the talent gone or has our cricket culture changed? Or is the focus shifting away from cricket to other things?
 
FearlessRoar said:
I’m totally fed up with Pakistan cricket. We don’t have match winner like Ben Stokes nor do we have quality batters like Travis Head or Virat Kohli. Our bowling attack lacks bowlers like Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins or Kagiso Rabada.

We don’t have finishers like David Miller or Daryl Mitchell, we don't have quality spinners like Ashwin or Adil Rashid or fielders like Ravindra Jadeja.

What do we have? Players who only perform once in a blue moon against top teams and celebrate like minnows.

Babar Azam? Hardly won us 2-3 games on his own. Rizwan? Can’t recall a single game where he took us over the line like Carlos Brathwaite did. Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah? Are they even at Scott Boland’s level? Can you name one proper all-rounder in our team who can score centuries and take five wicket hauls? Name just one? And when it comes to spinners who matches the quality of Ashwin or Adil Rashid?

It’s all finished man. We have nothing. Is the talent gone or has our cricket culture changed? Or is the focus shifting away from cricket to other things?
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Naw it's culture.

In domestics almost everyone plays like the 1990's and bowlers get comfortable as well.

In international all bowlers freeze when they face someone like travis cause they are not accustomed to anyone attacking them in domestics.

Similarly selectors just select on avg and numbers and can't actually tell who's talented or not.

For example they selected usama mir due to psl despite every tom dick and Harry knowing that usama can't really spin the ball.

He's useless in any condition where uneven bounce is not on display.
 
I see a lot of depressing posts here. If somebody had told me 2 months ago that Pakistan will beat England at home 2-1 in tests, will beat Australia in Australia in ODIs 2-1 and beat SA in SA in ODIs 3-0, I would have ever the moon. ODI wins came without :fz , quite unbelievable!!!

Chill guys. This is a team who is on the up under the leadership of Aaqib and Riz, Insha Allah.

All we need is at least one or two quality fast bowlers now.
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw it's culture.

In domestics almost everyone plays like the 1990's and bowlers get comfortable as well.

In international all bowlers freeze when they face someone like travis cause they are not accustomed to anyone attacking them in domestics.

Similarly selectors just select on avg and numbers and can't actually tell who's talented or not.

For example they selected usama mir due to psl despite every tom dick and Harry knowing that usama can't really spin the ball.

He's useless in any condition where uneven bounce is not on display.
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It’s not just about strike rate or average – it’s about recognizing real talent which seems to be missing due to a lack of visionaries.

Can you name even one visionary in our cricket system whose only focus has been on cricket without any outside interests?

As for domestic cricket everyone keeps saying I have talent, but no chances. We’ve seen players like Sahibzada Farhan and Kamran Ghulam fail under SENA conditions.

This cycle will keep repeating – one-off performances against top teams followed by celebrations as if they’re heroes just like how Ireland upset Australia once and became heroes for that one moment.
 
gazza619 said:
I see a lot of depressing posts here. If somebody had told me 2 months ago that Pakistan will beat England at home 2-1 in tests, will beat Australia in Australia in ODIs 2-1 and beat SA in SA in ODIs 3-0, I would have ever the moon. ODI wins came without :fz , quite unbelievable!!!

Chill guys. This is a team who is on the up under the leadership of Aaqib and Riz, Insha Allah.

All we need is at least one or two quality fast bowlers now.
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Beating Australia in the ODI series was more of a fluke, especially since Australia played their B team in the last match.

As for whitewashing South Africa in the ODI series, I wouldn’t call it a success because the blame for that lies on Temba Bavuma’s captaincy.
 
FearlessRoar said:
It’s not just about strike rate or average – it’s about recognizing real talent which seems to be missing due to a lack of visionaries.

Can you name even one visionary in our cricket system whose only focus has been on cricket without any outside interests?

As for domestic cricket everyone keeps saying I have talent, but no chances. We’ve seen players like Sahibzada Farhan and Kamran Ghulam fail under SENA conditions.

This cycle will keep repeating – one-off performances against top teams followed by celebrations as if they’re heroes just like how Ireland upset Australia once and became heroes for that one moment.
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How does talent develop without coaching and culture? You tell me?

Fakhar, saim.and a few others are outliers? Compare that to aus or India where their medicore players are good due to coaching.
 
FearlessRoar said:
I’m totally fed up with Pakistan cricket. We don’t have match winner like Ben Stokes nor do we have quality batters like Travis Head or Virat Kohli. Our bowling attack lacks bowlers like Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins or Kagiso Rabada.

We don’t have finishers like David Miller or Daryl Mitchell, we don't have quality spinners like Ashwin or Adil Rashid or fielders like Ravindra Jadeja.

What do we have? Players who only perform once in a blue moon against top teams and celebrate like minnows.

Babar Azam? Hardly won us 2-3 games on his own. Rizwan? Can’t recall a single game where he took us over the line like Carlos Brathwaite did. Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah? Are they even at Scott Boland’s level? Can you name one proper all-rounder in our team who can score centuries and take five wicket hauls? Name just one? And when it comes to spinners who matches the quality of Ashwin or Adil Rashid?

It’s all finished man. We have nothing. Is the talent gone or has our cricket culture changed? Or is the focus shifting away from cricket to other things?
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We have players like Misbah and Azhar ali in PCB.. they are the one ruining Pakistan cricket with tuktuk Tactics.
 
Last 12 years: 20 Tests! All 20 lost in 3 countries - NZ, AUS and SAF.....



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W63L35 said:
Last 12 years: 20 Tests! All 20 lost in 3 countries - NZ, AUS and SAF.....



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Pakistan did come close to winning some times in those 20 tests. In this series itself, 2 tail wickets away from winning.

This stand out record of losing every single match wouldn't be there if some batsmen had scored well in 2 innings to draw even one test. Pakistan simply fails to bat well in two innings in the same test. That's where batsmen can step up and draw the test. You don't need to pick up 20 wickets to draw, that's needed to win. But draw is possible by few batsmen steppnig up.

I think this score line makes it look worse than how Pakistan performed. It was not one sided 20 test matches.
 
I think Pakistan is a good side in all formats but they need to do a better job with squad selection and pitch preparation.

All this doom & gloom and predictions of Pakistan cricket’s death are unsubstantiated pessimism.

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are world class stars of the game and they are supported by several decent cricketers.
 
emranabbas said:
World class players like Babar and rizwan played 17 out of those 20 tests and not won us even one single test match in SENA country.
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Batsmen can't win no matter how much they score unless scoring happens at the same time when bowlers pick 20 wickets. There is dependency on bowlers to win.

But batsmen can draw tests by scoring heavily. Just need to do in both innings in the same test and team gets a draw. It does not matter if bowlers picked 20 wickets in that test. There is no dependency on bowlers to draw.
 
Things are not as bad. Beat Australia southafraica in odi at their home.
Beat England in tests and found a formula that can and should be replicated against all future sena team home series.
Competed decently against world number 1 test team at their home, almost Beat them in first test and second test major gap of not having 1 main batsmen 2 innings , that could have helped draw perhaps or not selecting Nauman on this pitch.
I think we are at mid level now, surely above minnow level but below top tier level.

Only thing we are missing these days is the spark of some players that we used to have in the past during 90s 00s 10s even when team still used to lose in sena tests, etc but we had some players that could dominate any opposition on their day. E.e.g razzak vs South africa, wasim waqar shoaib countless spells, even Sami in Sydney, Afridi countless times, Amir toying with pointing and top Aus batting in England or vs India, etc.

Don't really have that same level menacing fast bowler, top quality spinner, all-rounder or batsmen. Saim is the closest to that Anwar vibe but very early for now and injured. Fakhar is there but also not playing.

Bring back some of thst spark and I am fine with taking occasional losses and wins its part of game.

I want to see good leadership and some spark that was always in our culture back.
 
mon858 said:
Things are not as bad. Beat Australia southafraica in odi at their home.
Beat England in tests and found a formula that can and should be replicated against all future sena team home series.
Competed decently against world number 1 test team at their home, almost Beat them in first test and second test major gap of not having 1 main batsmen 2 innings , that could have helped draw perhaps or not selecting Nauman on this pitch.
I think we are at mid level now, surely above minnow level but below top tier level.

Only thing we are missing these days is the spark of some players that we used to have in the past during 90s 00s 10s even when team still used to lose in sena tests, etc but we had some players that could dominate any opposition on their day. E.e.g razzak vs South africa, wasim waqar shoaib countless spells, even Sami in Sydney, Afridi countless times, Amir toying with pointing and top Aus batting in England or vs India, etc.

Don't really have that same level menacing fast bowler, top quality spinner, all-rounder or batsmen. Saim is the closest to that Anwar vibe but very early for now and injured. Fakhar is there but also not playing.

Bring back some of thst spark and I am fine with taking occasional losses and wins its part of game.

I want to see good leadership and some spark that was always in our culture back.
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Agree.

In ODI, Pakistan are #3 in my opinion.

In Test, they are #5.
 
Pakistan is a parasitic elite centric country where the benefits of a few outweigh the benefits of the rest. Even our sports fans only lose heart or feel dejected when we lose on the field instead of being frustrated at the absence of the system.

There have been posts here from some of the most knowledgeable cricket fans that sometimes go like "Pak still in the tournament yet the IPL merchants despite all the money are heading back home" etc. The lack of system is taken as a medal that can be flaunted with pride. The success of a few plyers who made it against the odds is praised that this man is doing well despite all the hurdles. Who is stopping us from building good systems? Who is stopping us from building cricket grounds, reviving school cricket, providing sports as a good career option for our youth?

I have stated this multiple times, the key job of a cricket board is not to produce a good cricketing team but a cricketing ecosystem that produces an equal opportunity for everyone to take up sports. Most of our cricketers are either product of privilege/nepotism or dropouts from school. There's survivor bias here, for every Yousuf who made it big out of railway quarters, there are hundreds and thousands of kids who don't make it & end up ruining their lives. I've myself tried to pursue cricket a bit but then had to give up because our age cricket is totally messed up, so many youngsters would just go to open trials & stand there, wouldn't get a chance to either bat or ball & the ones who'd get chance were either carrying a "parchi" of someone or were blatantly age fudging.

Our current head is handpicked by a powerful man in Pak with zero prior experience. Why is he running our cricket? Is there no one in Pak who is capable to run this organization? What are his credentials? What is his future plan for our cricket? The amount of money being wasted on upgrading one stadium is mind boggling, they are building an entire office block for PCB staff, for what? They could have if it was really necessary to upgrade the whole thing, built a 5 star hotel right next to the hotel so that the teams don't have to move & the city's traffic wouldn't be blocked, but no. When incompetent people are handpicked to do jobs that they neither have the vision or acumen, this is precisely how things end up, a sea of mediocrity, that is.

I appreciate England, Australia, & NZ because they've built systems. India has gradually gone from a laughing stock overseas to a country that can win anywhere in the world & will constantly challenge to play the WTC final. The MRF academy was launched when we were making jokes that they cannot have fast bowlers because they don't eat meat. Look at them now, where are they & where are we. There's a gradual progress in developed countries where a person can start playing club cricket, then get selected for a higher league & so forth, it's like "Career Mode" in Cricket 24 (video game) but where's this system in Pak?

Sports is the only thing in our world that is consistently (mostly) fair. The better more prepared team/player most often ends up being on top & the upsets that we see are rare & special. The crux of my argument is that the prestige that winning provides is the outcome & result of a fair system that produces athletes. It's because a good system gives people a chance to take risks in pursuing their dreams, & a dysfunctional system nips these dreams in the bud. Since we have no system we are lost in the pacific ocean of mediocrity, a few random wins here & there breaking the monotony of losses. 70 years, 3 trophies, net negative record against Aus, Eng, RSA, & positive only against India because we don't play against them anymore.

Build systems, innovate, find indigenous solutions to problems, harness talent, create opportunities, & wins will follow eventually. Jump from pillar to post aimlessly while looking important & keep the delusions of grandeur & nothing will change.
 
Buffet said:
Pakistan did come close to winning some times in those 20 tests. In this series itself, 2 tail wickets away from winning.

This stand out record of losing every single match wouldn't be there if some batsmen had scored well in 2 innings to draw even one test. Pakistan simply fails to bat well in two innings in the same test. That's where batsmen can step up and draw the test. You don't need to pick up 20 wickets to draw, that's needed to win. But draw is possible by few batsmen stepping up.

I think this score line makes it look worse than how Pakistan performed. It was not one sided 20 test matches.
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I am not sure, if I fully understand your comments.

1. Are you saying losing close matches is OK?
2. How many of those 20 test losses you will consider "close"? Please see the list below sorted by win-margin. In my opinion, only two highlighted tests out of 20 were close.
3. Are you also saying the goal should be to try to draw the tests by batting well in two innings? Never mind the fact that we need 20 wickets to win a test.

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GoUgandaCranes said:
Pakistan is a parasitic elite centric country where the benefits of a few outweigh the benefits of the rest. Even our sports fans only lose heart or feel dejected when we lose on the field instead of being frustrated at the absence of the system.

There have been posts here from some of the most knowledgeable cricket fans that sometimes go like "Pak still in the tournament yet the IPL merchants despite all the money are heading back home" etc. The lack of system is taken as a medal that can be flaunted with pride. The success of a few plyers who made it against the odds is praised that this man is doing well despite all the hurdles. Who is stopping us from building good systems? Who is stopping us from building cricket grounds, reviving school cricket, providing sports as a good career option for our youth?

I have stated this multiple times, the key job of a cricket board is not to produce a good cricketing team but a cricketing ecosystem that produces an equal opportunity for everyone to take up sports. Most of our cricketers are either product of privilege/nepotism or dropouts from school. There's survivor bias here, for every Yousuf who made it big out of railway quarters, there are hundreds and thousands of kids who don't make it & end up ruining their lives. I've myself tried to pursue cricket a bit but then had to give up because our age cricket is totally messed up, so many youngsters would just go to open trials & stand there, wouldn't get a chance to either bat or ball & the ones who'd get chance were either carrying a "parchi" of someone or were blatantly age fudging.

Our current head is handpicked by a powerful man in Pak with zero prior experience. Why is he running our cricket? Is there no one in Pak who is capable to run this organization? What are his credentials? What is his future plan for our cricket? The amount of money being wasted on upgrading one stadium is mind boggling, they are building an entire office block for PCB staff, for what? They could have if it was really necessary to upgrade the whole thing, built a 5 star hotel right next to the hotel so that the teams don't have to move & the city's traffic wouldn't be blocked, but no. When incompetent people are handpicked to do jobs that they neither have the vision or acumen, this is precisely how things end up, a sea of mediocrity, that is.

I appreciate England, Australia, & NZ because they've built systems. India has gradually gone from a laughing stock overseas to a country that can win anywhere in the world & will constantly challenge to play the WTC final. The MRF academy was launched when we were making jokes that they cannot have fast bowlers because they don't eat meat. Look at them now, where are they & where are we. There's a gradual progress in developed countries where a person can start playing club cricket, then get selected for a higher league & so forth, it's like "Career Mode" in Cricket 24 (video game) but where's this system in Pak?

Sports is the only thing in our world that is consistently (mostly) fair. The better more prepared team/player most often ends up being on top & the upsets that we see are rare & special. The crux of my argument is that the prestige that winning provides is the outcome & result of a fair system that produces athletes. It's because a good system gives people a chance to take risks in pursuing their dreams, & a dysfunctional system nips these dreams in the bud. Since we have no system we are lost in the pacific ocean of mediocrity, a few random wins here & there breaking the monotony of losses. 70 years, 3 trophies, net negative record against Aus, Eng, RSA, & positive only against India because we don't play against them anymore.

Build systems, innovate, find indigenous solutions to problems, harness talent, create opportunities, & wins will follow eventually. Jump from pillar to post aimlessly while looking important & keep the delusions of grandeur & nothing will change.
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One of the best posts I have read here at PP. Surely POW @MenInG @FearlessRoar @The Bald Eagle
 
W63L35 said:
I am not sure, if I fully understand your comments.

1. Are you saying losing close matches is OK?
2. How many of those 20 test losses you will consider "close"? Please see the list below sorted by win-margin. In my opinion, only two highlighted tests out of 20 were close.
3. Are you also saying the goal should be to try to draw the tests by batting well in two innings? Never mind the fact that we need 20 wickets to win a test.
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1 - I am not saying that losing 20 tests non-stop is ok, I was only saying that some of the matches were not that one sided.

2 - I do recall, 4-5 matches being close. You may not see it in final score card, but match was in balance for the most part during those tests.

3 - No, goal should be to win. I was pointing out that this 20 losses out of 20 stands out more due to no draw. If there was lets say 3-4 draws then it won't stand out that much. Yes, agree, no substitute for winning. You play to win.

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Main point I was trying to convey that some matches were in balance out of these 20 tests but score of 0-20 gives an impression that all matches were one sided. That's all. i am not trying to defend Pakistan's record here.
 
I personally don’t care about away from home results. Losing at home is a lot worse than losing away.

Pakistan should aim to become unbeatable at home. That is good enough in all formats.
 
Pakistan cricket has been in downward curve since last 15 years. But surely this has to be the pinnacle of the nadir-that too in all formats of cricket in last two years.

WTC 23-25
9th out of 9th

ODI WC 2023 & CT 2025
Eliminated league stage

WT20 2024
Eliminated First Round

Has things been this bad & depressing ever??
 
This CT exit is not at all surprising, the team was setup terribly.

We ran into the two most probable teams to play the final of this tournament.

So yeah, things need to change for us to become a top but Thursday’s loss to Bangladesh will actually get the bells ringing.
 
was waiting for this thread, fear not, this pak team can go lower, fully expecting a loss against bang at home too, lol.
 
Usman Chadda said:
This CT exit is not at all surprising, the team was setup terribly.

We ran into the two most probable teams to play the final of this tournament.

So yeah, things need to change for us to become a top but Thursday’s loss to Bangladesh will actually get the bells ringing.
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Do even fan's comes to watch the match at the stadium now as pakistan is already knockout from This tournament.

I have serious doubt about it.



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Pakistan cricket had not been covering themselves in glory in past decade but in some format or other, they have been punching above their weight and got few favorable results in between.

But past 2 years has been absolutely shocking in all formats. I personally believe Pakistan cricket can't go lower than this. Drastic changes has to happen otherwise there is a very possible chance of fans even abandon the team altogether.
 
deep82 said:
Pakistan cricket had not been covering themselves in glory in past decade but in some format or other, they have been punching above their weight and got few favorable results in between.

But past 2 years has been absolutely shocking in all formats. I personally believe Pakistan cricket can't go lower than this. Drastic changes has to happen otherwise there is a very possible chance of fans even abandon the team altogether.
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How many Pakistanis did you see today?
 
Usman Chadda said:
How many Pakistanis did you see today?
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I am sure there are many Pakistan fans apart from this forum. They must be devastated and depressed.

Can you even imagine the state of fans of a team that has not been able to even qualify for knockouts in 5 straight tournaments- Asia Cup, ODI World Cup, T20 World Cup, WTC Debacle and now the horrors of CT 2025. That's basically all three formats.
 
It's over for Pakistan.

The fact is, besides Amir and Asif to an extent, no Pakistani cricketer debuting after the 03 WC has been remotely world class. And no, Ajmal doesn't count for obvious reasons.

That's 20+ years of drought.

There's no infrastructure in Pakistan to produce world class talent. The days of picking a kid from the streets and throwing them into an international game are over. And with it, so is Pakistan cricket.
 
Ramiz Raja speaking on his YouTube Channel:

“Pakistan cricket is stuck in a whirlwind of confusion, and the joy of watching the game seems to have faded. Three overs of good cricket are followed by seven overs of poor play, highlighting Pakistan's inconsistency.”

“New talent emerges, but it only adds to the frustration. Players show flashes of brilliance—two good shots, two good balls—and then everything fall flat. What exactly is being taught to these players? Where has the winning spirit gone? It’s nowhere to be seen because the environment has become too lenient. There are too many captains, too many changes. Pakistan’s white-ball cricket, in particular, feels like a never-ending experimental phase—as if losing is expected and tolerated. But no one tolerates defeat. How long will this "experimental stage" last? Before every event, we enter this phase, and after every event, we’re back to it. Where does it end?”

“The think tank needs to step up. How many more matches will they get to prove themselves? Winning solves every problem; it pushes all issues to the background. But the new fans—the younger generation, school and college-going kids—are disheartened. They’ve lost interest. Whenever I go anywhere, the first question I’m asked is, "What are you doing with cricket?" When the mood around cricket becomes this depressing, all stakeholders suffer. No one knows what the future holds. The upcoming players don’t seem exceptional, and the seniors have plateaued, repeating the same mistakes. Their skills haven’t evolved.”

“Look at other teams—New Zealand, for example. They batted on a tough pitch today. When they lost three wickets early, it seemed like they’d struggle to reach 160. But they played smartly, maintained their composure, and built their innings. Abbas, on his debut, set a world record for the fastest fifty on debut. Why do such records always involve Pakistan? Why do we keep making headlines for these reasons? The pitch wasn’t a 344-run pitch; it was a 200-run pitch at best. Yet, Salman Ali Agha was given the ball, conceding 30 runs in three overs after the pacers had kept things tight. Once the floodgates opened, even the fast bowlers came under pressure, and the bowling performance became ordinary.”

“They were in control at 250/3, with Babar Azam in form. But after he got out, Salman Ali Agha batted well, and the tail collapsed spectacularly—run-outs, poor shots, panic everywhere. If New Zealand had been in this situation (100 runs needed, seven wickets in hand), they would’ve won easily. But Pakistan’s problem is figuring out where to start and where to end. There’s brilliance in patches, but also extreme flatness. The patience of fans is wearing thin.”

“Cricket is the only sport that unites Pakistan, but right now, it’s in chaos. People don’t even want to talk about it. How can you move forward in such an environment? The strategy for the top tier needs to change. Pakistan has announced too many captains, and the "experimental phase" never ends. Then they say, "This is a new team, give them time." But patience doesn’t work in Pakistan cricket—it’s not in our temperament. And no country has patience for losing. It means your strategy is flawed.”

“Things are spiraling out of control. Our first-class system is weak, club cricket is dead, and there are no proper pitches. What’s the strategy for school cricket? Are there any long-term plans? There’s no money in the system to incentivize first-class players. Only a few clubs in Lahore are functional; the rest have collapsed. Basic techniques are missing—no proper bowling actions, no batting styles, no disciplined coaching.”

“In cricket, you need obsession—not a casual attitude. You can’t say, "We’ll try, and if we lose, so what?" That doesn’t work. How long will this think tank continue? How many more defeats can Pakistan cricket endure? Defeats don’t lift a team; only strong systems do. Countries with robust backup systems, strong U-19 and first-class recover quickly. Weak systems, like Pakistan’s, stay stuck in the slump.”

“Two years ago, when Pakistan reached the World Cup or Asia Cup final, critics on TV were saying, "What’s the big deal? Ramiz Raja didn’t win it, did he?" Look where we are now. Even the stakeholders need to realize: you can’t take things for granted. Long-term plans are good, but in Pakistan, short-term plans must work first. And for that, you need the right players from the grassroots, with the right strategy.”

“Too much turbulence, too many captains—it’s all weighing us down. Babar Azam scored 70, but he had to finish the match. My message to him: when you’re in that position, don’t let go. Rizwan got out after 30; he should’ve finished it. Salman Ali Agha batted well, but the tail failed. Panic took over—wild shots, strange dismissals. The nervous body language says it all. When your DNA has fault lines, how can you win?”

“Too many things need fixing. The frustration keeps growing. Hope is all we have. I hope somehow, we’ll bounce back—maybe even in this series. This ODI team is better than the T20 side; it has experience. The bowling, which seems good at times, concedes 344. The batting, solid at 250/3, collapses to 270. These breakdowns drag you down. How do you control this? Only the think tank can answer. From what I see, things are spiraling out of control.”
 
PSL going on but literally there is no buzz of it, majority of public looks disinterested in the event. Apart from couple of TV shows where ex cricketers set their own agenda nobody knows PSL is happening.

Couple of decades ago when there was Pakistan game , media channels won't show you dramas to avoid low TRPs
 
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