The difference in skills between Overseas and Pakistani batsmen in the PSL

[marlonbrowndo]

In general, foreign batsmen have looked like they are miles ahead of our batsmen. In terms of skill, power hitting, match awareness and everything else. Munro has already played a knock that no other Pakistani batsman can dream of playing and Miller currently is looking brilliant.

Even Pakistan’s best batsman, Babar has played a match losing knock that none of these dynamic T20 batsmen would ever play. And the less said about some of these tried and tested failures or young hacks, the better.

Just shows the sheer lack of batting talent in this country.

 

[Majid Khan]

In general, foreign batsmen have looked like they are miles ahead of our batsmen. In terms of skill, power hitting, match awareness and everything else. Munro has already played a knock that no other Pakistani batsman can dream of playing and Miller currently is looking brilliant.

Even Pakistan’s best batsman, Babar has played a match losing knock that none of these dynamic T20 batsmen would ever play. And the less said about some of these tried and tested failures or young hacks, the better.

Just shows the sheer lack of batting talent in this country.

Very true , it’s like part-time amateurs playing alongside full-time professionals , that’s the difference in the skill levels of other batsmen and Pakistani batsmen. To be fair it looks like that most days when Pakistan play international games but it’s even more obvious in PSL because local and foreign batsmen are batting together , facing the same bowling on the same wickets.

Pakistan has always struggled to find quality batsmen , but seriously it’s never been this bad. I mean a young Pakistani batsman scoring even 35 makes it seem like it takes the kind of stamina and determination that it takes for a person to climb Mount Everest.

 

[Savak]

I dont think its the lack of talent, its the lack of quality practice and preperation. Hafeez has credited his T-20 rennaisance in the last two years observing how West Indies players and foreign players would practice power hitting in the T-20 leagues he was playing and he also took up Golf which helped his bat swing massively.

I think if anything the NHPC batting coaching methods and overall batting coaching methods in the country need to be looked into. You may not see quick results now but should start seeing results in 5 years atleast.

 

[wajid]

Even general outlook, commitment and fielding is so sub par of local players.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan has always been the least talented cricket nation, and especially when it comes to batting & fielding.

99.9% of our batsmen are just embarrassing. They lack talent, skill, intelligence, courage. They are found wanting in every department.

 

[Markhor]

It's not surprising given batting out of all the skillsets probably requires the most amount of technical coaching from a young age.

These batsmen are a reflection of how pathetic the quality of coaching in Pakistan is at youth level.

 

[ElRaja]

its not even a question of talent, a lot of these batsmen lack basic competency. if i was the pcb i would be seriously worried, these franchises need to go run some talent hunts for batsmen because theres not one international quality power hitter in the whole country, which is appaling.

the pcb blows its trumpet about the psl, it cant just take a back seat and accept that the franchises are solely responsible for the quality of batsmen, because it severely detracts from the quality of the league.

the pcb need to, at the minimum, limit the number of over seas player who bat in the top 7.

 

[shah_1]

It is true


Our batting is garbage. Our middle order and lower middle order is minnow level

 

[Savak]

You have to invest in quality coaches for all kinds of batting ie quality ODI, Test match batting Inzi, Yousaf.

For T20 power hitting, invest in English power hitting coaches. Power hitting is a science now

 

[BaankeJi]

Kamran played well.

 

[hitthestump]

Kamran played well.

The fact that expired cricketers like him and Malik are not only still relevant but actually boss the domestic scene is very depressing.

 

[Farabi]

In general, foreign batsmen have looked like they are miles ahead of our batsmen. In terms of skill, power hitting, match awareness and everything else. Munro has already played a knock that no other Pakistani batsman can dream of playing and Miller currently is looking brilliant.

Even Pakistan’s best batsman, Babar has played a match losing knock that none of these dynamic T20 batsmen would ever play. And the less said about some of these tried and tested failures or young hacks, the better.

Just shows the sheer lack of batting talent in this country.

Investments are needed in coaching great basics at a young age.

For power-hitting, basics are super important such as balance, intent, footwork, how you hold the bat etc

 

[sharmaji]

Umar Akmal, had his career not been sidelined by his own stupidity and a little bit by PCB, could have been the Power Hitter that PCT needs. But that's another discussion.

Fakhar Zaman is a good hitter, he is just not in good form, but I have faith in him. Babar and Rizwan are two other world class batsmen who can accelerate once settled. Hafeez is not bad either. Imad Wasim can hit a bit. So does Hasan Ali.

But yes, apart from these established players, the pipeline is not looking great for attacking batsmen from Pak. Asif Ali, Iftikhar, Shadab and Haider Ali have been disappointing fro a while now.

 

[Savak]

This thread is very typical of Pakistani's in general. Just complain 24/7 without doing their part. India did not become the side it is today for nothing, they had to endure a tough 90's where their fans stuck by their players and made them cult heros even though they were losing all over.

Our people just want things to be given to them on a platter. Did you do your part in backing and supporting a group of players and team through thick and skin? Why should you deserve world class products when you have done jack to support it?

 

[Shazzam]

This thread is very typical of Pakistani's in general. Just complain 24/7 without doing their part. India did not become the side it is today for nothing, they had to endure a tough 90's where their fans stuck by their players and made them cult heros even though they were losing all over.

Our people just want things to be given to them on a platter. Did you do your part in backing and supporting a group of players and team through thick and skin? Why should you deserve world class products when you have done jack to support it?

Don’t think this is a fan problem its more of administrative problem. Fans don’t have the power to select players, coach them, nurture there talent like the higher ups do. By typing this you are trying to deflate the blame from those in power.

 

[Savak]

DonÂ’t think this is a fan problem its more of administrative problem. Fans donÂ’t have the power to select players, coach them, nurture there talent like the higher ups do. By typing this you are trying to deflate the blame from those in power.

Fans can do a lot in the Subcontinent with their abuse, trolling on social media and forums. Fans create pressure on the PCB. NZ were a crap team for the most time in the 80's to early to mid 2000's, did you see NZ Cricket followers, mock, insult abuse players? Same with England in the 90's. Barmy Army has always stayed loyal to English Cricket.

Backing players and administrators through tough time periods in times of gross inequality in Cricket will go a long way towards improving the situation. Fans don't deserve to see a high quality product if they didn't do anything to create it.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The lack of power hitting is very surprising to say the least. Pakistan were ahead of the rest when it came to late order power hitting in ODIs. Back in 99, the likes of Razzaq, Wasim, Moin - were far ahead of any other power hitting combo in ODIs. Pakistan used to have the highest run rates in the last 10 overs etc.

 

[Golden arm]

Fans can do a lot in the Subcontinent with their abuse, trolling on social media and forums. Fans create pressure on the PCB. NZ were a crap team for the most time in the 80's to early to mid 2000's, did you see NZ Cricket followers, mock, insult abuse players? Same with England in the 90's. Barmy Army has always stayed loyal to English Cricket.

Backing players and administrators through tough time periods in times of gross inequality in Cricket will go a long way towards improving the situation. Fans don't deserve to see a high quality product if they didn't do anything to create it.

Very different comparison bw different cultures

Players and administrators may not be upto class but won't be corrupt especially in Pakistan nepotism and corruption till today are at their worst

Atleast in the west there is still some professionalism where as in Pakistan it was non existent until we imported Wasim Khan and look how he is being blackmailed by dark journalism!!!

 

[Colorblind Genius]

In general, foreign batsmen have looked like they are miles ahead of our batsmen. In terms of skill, power hitting, match awareness and everything else. Munro has already played a knock that no other Pakistani batsman can dream of playing and Miller currently is looking brilliant.

Even Pakistan’s best batsman, Babar has played a match losing knock that none of these dynamic T20 batsmen would ever play. And the less said about some of these tried and tested failures or young hacks, the better.

Just shows the sheer lack of batting talent in this country.

Munro, Russel etc?
Forget that.

Those Little known domestic level Aussie kids in BBL, are miles ahead of many of Pak’s national level players in strength, agility, stamina, fitness, fielding, playing technique, power hitting, running between the wickets, CONFIDENCE, skill, talent, general intelligence, match awareness and sense of taking responsibility.
Our players are only good at giving sajdaas.

 

[IAJ]

The lack of power hitting is very surprising to say the least. Pakistan were ahead of the rest when it came to late order power hitting in ODIs. Back in 99, the likes of Razzaq, Wasim, Moin - were far ahead of any other power hitting combo in ODIs. Pakistan used to have the highest run rates in the last 10 overs etc.

Those are only memories now. Humari chouti chouti khushyan.

 

[Saj]

The likes of Shoaib Malik and Mohammad Hafeez have looked better than most if not all of the young and so-called talented Pakistani batsmen in the PSL.

That in itself tells a story.

 

[Saj]

This thread is very typical of Pakistani's in general. Just complain 24/7 without doing their part. India did not become the side it is today for nothing, they had to endure a tough 90's where their fans stuck by their players and made them cult heros even though they were losing all over.

Our people just want things to be given to them on a platter. Did you do your part in backing and supporting a group of players and team through thick and skin? Why should you deserve world class products when you have done jack to support it?

Nonsense.

The level of batting in Pakistan across all formats is terribly poor. That is not down to the fans or media, that is down to the players themselves and the coaches they are working with.

You can see basic flaws in young batsmen that surely coaching staff should be able to spot - why isn't that being sorted out, why aren't those problems being identified, why are players being picked in the wrong format, why are players playing in the PSL who should be nowhere near this tournament.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This thread is very typical of Pakistani's in general. Just complain 24/7 without doing their part. India did not become the side it is today for nothing, they had to endure a tough 90's where their fans stuck by their players and made them cult heros even though they were losing all over.

Our people just want things to be given to them on a platter. Did you do your part in backing and supporting a group of players and team through thick and skin? Why should you deserve world class products when you have done jack to support it?

Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Why don’t you go voluntarily become the team masseuse or something since you wanna directly help them so bad.

 

[ElRaja]

The lack of power hitting is very surprising to say the least. Pakistan were ahead of the rest when it came to late order power hitting in ODIs. Back in 99, the likes of Razzaq, Wasim, Moin - were far ahead of any other power hitting combo in ODIs. Pakistan used to have the highest run rates in the last 10 overs etc.

its unlikely pak will have a hitting line up like anwar, afridi, and those three, who were significantly more aggressive than most batting line ups in that era for maybe the next decade. the game has become professionalised and pak are still stuck in a semi professional era.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nonsense.

The level of batting in Pakistan across all formats is terribly poor. That is not down to the fans or media, that is down to the players themselves and the coaches they are working with.

You can see basic flaws in young batsmen that surely coaching staff should be able to spot - why isn't that being sorted out, why aren't those problems being identified, why are players being picked in the wrong format, why are players playing in the PSL who should be nowhere near this tournament.

Coaching itself is a professional vocation, and for that you need a professional first class structure. Pakistan cricket is probably less well organised than club cricket in England. You aren't going to get competent coaches until this is developed so that will take another couple of generations I reckon.

 

[Majid Khan]

Coaching itself is a professional vocation, and for that you need a professional first class structure. Pakistan cricket is probably less well organised than club cricket in England. You aren't going to get competent coaches until this is developed so that will take another couple of generations I reckon.

What amazes me is the number of Pakistani batsmen coming along who it seems don’t have a clue where their off stump is , they can’t read the line or length of the ball and clueless about which stroke to play on which ball. In other words they don’t know the basics of batting - all they can do is play pre-meditated slogs that sometimes come off and otherwise they look hopeless.

And then on top of that they just don’t learn or get any better , keep turning up year after year , performing at the same mediocre level.

Coaches and players are both to blame - as either the coaches are unable to teach them the basics or players that are unwilling or unable to learn that they don’t improve no matter what.

 

[Saj]

Coaching itself is a professional vocation, and for that you need a professional first class structure. Pakistan cricket is probably less well organised than club cricket in England. You aren't going to get competent coaches until this is developed so that will take another couple of generations I reckon.

Well a lot of cash is being spent on coaches salaries at the moment in domestic and at the NHPC.

Perhaps it's too soon for the new set-up to make improvements as yet, or the players themselves are not able to learn from the best in Pakistan it seems.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Pakistani batters have always been the weak area for the team. The domestic coaching needs to be better and in the domestic coaches need to identify all the weaknesses of young upcoming players.

 

[CricketingMinds]

@Saj:
I think finally under Wasim Khan PCB is spending money on modern local coaches like Yousaf, Saqlain, etc. Otherwise before Wasim we were stuck with the Buddhas from 70s and 80s. Misbah being an exception that he played in the modern era but has the 70s defensive mindset.

Having said that, yes, I still haven't seen anyone special coming out of our system in terms of batting.

Haider Ali was there but he has been very disappointing in 2021.

Maybe it just takes time and we fans gotta stay patient. Rome wasn't built in a day. And neither was India's current dominance. It took them almost 10 years and they were gung-ho focused on getting the process right.

You heard Dhoni saying that since 2007 and you heard Dravid speaking about patience and having faith in the process.

If we believe Yousaf and Saqlain are the best people at NHPC then let's just stay patient and have faith in their orocess

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well a lot of cash is being spent on coaches salaries at the moment in domestic and at the NHPC.

Perhaps it's too soon for the new set-up to make improvements as yet, or the players themselves are not able to learn from the best in Pakistan it seems.

It's the right idea, but local coaches aren't just going to magically acquire in depth knowledge. At best we are probably promoting former players who may not even have proper qualification. It may take a generation or two, but we might see it bear fruit further down the line. Once the first class scene becomes more professional, coaching will get the respect and finance it deserves. Not an easy job for Wasim Khan, hence why he deserves our support, although some supposed fans may not like it. Although to be fair, one of his most vocal critics on here is an unashamed Pakistan hater so you can understand why he may be hostile.

 

[ElRaja]

to be a modern t20 hitter you need 1. technique, 2. athleticism, 3. an excellent eye, 4. mental strength.

if you are 19 or 20 (real age) and hitting the coaching system for two or three week camps, it will do nothing about 2 and 4, and partially influence 1.

batsmen are made when they are in their early teens. the pakistani system is full of age fudging men pretending to be boys, who have lost the mental and physical plasticity to be formed into good hitters.

 

[Firebat]

Hazratullah Zazai comes into the Peshawar side on his PSL debut and smashes the joint fastest 50 in PSL history.

 

[mastimasti]

So am I watching a different league? The two best batsmen have been Babar and Rizwan, while Maqsood, Iftikhar, Zaman and Sharjeel have all performed well, even Sarfaraz is getting up there in terms of run tally...in fact only 2 non Pakistani batsmen in the top 10.

Munro has done so in just 4 matches but that's off the back of one very good innings but still good stuff. But I don't understand the logic that Pakistani batsmen are rubbish compared to their non Pakistani counterparts.

So what am I missing dear knowledgeable cricket fans?

 

[Firebat]

Once again Lahore are relying on Tim David and James Faulkner to do a repair job after their local top order (+ Dunk) have failed miserably.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Once again Lahore are relying on Tim David and James Faulkner to do a repair job after their local top order (+ Dunk) have failed miserably.

I'd like Sohail to respond on why he chose not to open today, do you not believe in your own abilities?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Batting by local players has always been the weakest point of PSL. There's a reason majority of the teams pick batters as oversees players.

From PSL 1 to PSL 6, apart from the already capped players playing international cricket, how many uncapped Pakistani batters have actually done well enough to get a call up to international cricket or even get noticed.

1. Asif Ali
2. Hussain Talat
3. Haider Ali
4. Fakhar Zaman
5. Khushdil Shah (although he was picked more due to good LA performance rather than t20 performance)

Of these, you could only say Fakhar has been a success. Haider I believe will come good eventually if handled well.

 

[Farabi]

So am I watching a different league? The two best batsmen have been Babar and Rizwan, while Maqsood, Iftikhar, Zaman and Sharjeel have all performed well, even Sarfaraz is getting up there in terms of run tally...in fact only 2 non Pakistani batsmen in the top 10.

Munro has done so in just 4 matches but that's off the back of one very good innings but still good stuff. But I don't understand the logic that Pakistani batsmen are rubbish compared to their non Pakistani counterparts.

So what am I missing dear knowledgeable cricket fans?

You are missing the persistent myths and biases prevalent in Pakistani cricket.
8 out of top 10 run getters are Pakistani even after PSL teams preferring to get foreign batting talent and local bowling talent.
Yet, posters keep peddling myths like these.
Pakistani batting is not great but neither is Pakistani bowling. Both are 7.5/10 currently.