The Eid al Fitr moon situation for 2021 - Farce or overblown?

[Mamoon]

We have two choices on sighting of the moon:

1. We follow the Saudi calendar but this is not possible because we are not Wahabi, and moreover, it means we do not see it with our naked eye like we did in the 7th century.

Furthermore, Afghanistan and the majority of other Muslim countries are not as pure Muslims as we are so we reject their Eid.

2. Moon sighting by a crowd in a certain region. However, there is a caveat to it - the sighting crowd has to be from Pakistan only, it cannot be from Balochistan and KP.

Perhaps Mufti Muneeb should be reinstated so that everyone is happy. We are clearly not happy with having one eid. We need to go back to having two Eids.

 

[Major]

I am not backing anyone. My point is simple - you cannot reject testimonies of people. If you are doing that, you are accusing them of lying.

The problem is not with the testimonies; the problem is that the testimonies come from KP. It is an issue of racism.

Again, 10 people go on the roof to see the moon. One person uses the sattelite.

Whose testimony would be accurate?

Issue is with testimonies, every testimony doesnt hold creadibility.

Its not about pathan, punjabi or sindhi, itsa about creadibility.

Whenever popalzai announced eid, the met department always said that there wasnt a chance of moon to be sighted.

This year it has been proven popalzai is an idiot. Cause fawad chaudry already announced it wasnt possible.

This tome, the govt itself messed up aswell

 

[Major]

We have two choices on sighting of the moon:

1. We follow the Saudi calendar but this is not possible because we are not Wahabi, and moreover, it means we do not see it with our naked eye like we did in the 7th century.

Furthermore, Afghanistan and the majority of other Muslim countries are not as pure Muslims as we are so we reject their Eid.

2. Moon sighting by a crowd in a certain region. However, there is a caveat to it - the sighting crowd has to be from Pakistan only, it cannot be from Balochistan and KP.

Perhaps Mufti Muneeb should be reinstated so that everyone is happy. We are clearly not happy with having one eid. We need to go back to having two Eids.

You are being very irrational.

Solution is simple, leave it to science to determine it as its the most accurate way.

Unless you claim that testimonies of people is more accurate than science.



You cant celebrate an eid just because saudis are celebrating it. Its about the moon.

You are making this pathan vs punjabi for no reason. Met department, freaken science and technology is proving moon cannot be sighted yet you are saying therr is racism against popalzai and the pashtuns

 

[Major]

Pakistan Government messes up Eid ul Fitr in 2021

So met department had predicted a week ago moon wasn't going to be sighted.

Ruet e hilal comititee was being headed by somone else this time.

In Peshawar as usual Eid was announced, and this time the Ruet e Hilal Committee in other parts of the country claimed that the moon was sighted.

MET department still claimed that it wasn't even scientifically possible to sight the moon.

Anyways, the announcement was made at 11:30.

Now whether it was the govts strategy to not control people from chand raat, dont know.

Mufti Muneeb today during eid prayers told people to keep qaza roza as the moon was never really sighted. But, we all had to follow the govt.

There has been a leak video of ruet e hilal comittee where there was argument over hte sighting of moon.

It seems, Pakistan is celebrating an eid in Ramazan.
This makes you question, how accurate is the muslim calender of pakistan

 

[Arsal_AK]

Are you accusing people of coming up with fake testimonies? This is the same attitude that Mufti Muneeb adopted for years and which led two multiple Eids.

You cannot reject testimonies of dozens of people. If you are doing so, you are accusing them of lying.

The issue here is of racism not of moon-sighting. The rest of the country do not want to accept testimonies from KP. If there are testimonies from Punjab or Sindh, no one will have an issue.

It is all part of the propaganda against KP. There is nothing more to it.

The only proper solution to all of this is to put an end to this moon sighting practice. In today’s world of communication, you do not need for moon to show up in your sky for you to celebrate Eid and declare the start of Ramzan.

Like the rest of the world, we need to get in tandem with KSA.

If the Prophet PBUH lived today, would people not fast and celebrate Eid alongside him or would they do it a day or two after?

This is so bad that it has to be a joke.

If it's not and you are being serious, let's start with the scientific evidence. Where is it?

 

[Major]

This is so bad that it has to be a joke.

If it's not and you are being serious, let's start with the scientific evidence. Where is it?

apperently, Mamoon trust the testimonies given to Popalzai more than science.

because on the eid thread he was critical of "Fawad Chaudry's science"

 

[mazkhan]

This problem only happens in pakistan thanks mainly to the stubborn barelvis.

My advice to the Sane minded Muslims in pakistan just follow the rest of the Muslim world in Europe rest of Asia we celebrate together and follow the Saudi announcement every race colour celebrating in beautiful unity like the true ummah .

Best leave these barelvi deobandi clowns to bicker in the corner like old women they will just ruin your ramadhan and eid

 

[Major]

This problem only happens in pakistan thanks mainly to the stubborn barelvis.

My advice to the Sane minded Muslims in pakistan just follow the rest of the Muslim world in Europe rest of Asia we celebrate together and follow the Saudi announcement every race colour celebrating in beautiful unity like the true ummah .

Best leave these barelvi deobandi clowns to bicker in the corner like old women they will just ruin your ramadhan and eid

I dont understand why you are bringing in sect here. When islam follows the lunar cycle, how can you follow the Saudi annoucnement? Saudia's and Pakistani lunar cycle is not even teh same.

You do understand, its not only about eid, its about the muslim calender which has its own months and dates that get published offciallly in the news paper.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

This problem only happens in pakistan thanks mainly to the stubborn barelvis.

My advice to the Sane minded Muslims in pakistan just follow the rest of the Muslim world in Europe rest of Asia we celebrate together and follow the Saudi announcement every race colour celebrating in beautiful unity like the true ummah .

Best leave these barelvi deobandi clowns to bicker in the corner like old women they will just ruin your ramadhan and eid

It's unscientific to celebrate Eid all around the world as lunar cycles are different in different countries. Pakistan's lunar cycle is different from Saudi Arabia and there's no way Eid can be celebrated simultaneously in these two nation as per lunar calender.

 

[Mamoon]

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This is the moon in Peshawar today. I took this picture myself at 7:48 pm.

Right now, as I am typing this post it is 8:18 pm.

Anyone who has seen a first day moon can tell that is the second day moon.

Like every year, Popalzai was right again. Today was the right day to celebrate Eid.

The Met department of Pakistan have a lot of explaining to do, and it appears that like every department in the country, it is also incompetent.

 

[Major]

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This is the moon in Peshawar today. I took this picture myself at 7:48 pm.

Right now, as I am typing this post it is 8:18 pm.

Anyone who has seen a first day moon can tell that is the second day moon.

Like every year, Popalzai was right again. Today was the right day to celebrate Eid.

The Met department of Pakistan have a lot of explaining to do, and it appears that like every department in the country, it is also incompetent.

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hmm, true, alot of pics of the moon from Peshawar are being shared on social media.

However, i do have a hard time doubting MET department

 

[MenInG]

Mufti Muneeb and certain ulema have claimed that the Ruet-e-Hilal committee made a mistake in announcing Eid today, and the decision was done at the behest of rulers.

Mufti Muneeb, who is the former chairman of the moon-sighting committee, said that people should fast tomorrow or before the next Ramazan, as qaza roza.

The Karachi president of the Jamiat Ulema Pakistan said the same. Mufti Mohammad Ghaus asked under whose pressure did the committee announce Eid today, when there were no reliable witnesses and scientific evidence showed the same.

“The decision was announced at 11:30pm, which was not accepted by the public or the ulema,” he said.

Ghaus said that ulema from different parts of the country were in contact throughout last night, under Mufti Muneeb’s leadership, and decided to issue a fatwa. The fatwa says that people can say their Eid prayers, so that there is no confusion among the public. They should, however, fast tomorrow, and those who were in aitekaaf should also complete their last day in the mosque.

He demanded that the government hold a meeting on the Eid decision with the ulema, under Mufti Muneeb’s leadership, and decide on moon-sighting in future as well.

The meeting of the Ruet-e-Hilal committee chaired by Maulana Abdul Khabeer Azad was held in Islamabad yesterday.

The committee received testimonies of moon sighting from across the country, including Peshawar, Chaman, Pasni and Qila Saifullah.

We have unanimously decided that tomorrow will be the first Shawwal and Eid will be celebrated in Pakistan on Thursday, Maulana Azad added.

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2021/05/m...d-moon-sighting-decision-made-under-pressure/

 

[Firebat]

It is a little farcical if a nation can't agree when one of their religion's most important days of the year is.

 

[Giannis]

It is a little farcical if a nation can't agree when one of their religion's most important days of the year is.

Don't mistake uniformity for unity, a diversity of opinions should be allowed and not everyone has to celebrate Eid on the same day - there are some sects in Islam that believe Ramadan is supposed to be 30 days and celebrate a day after Sunnis, Pakistanis aren't just sunni

 

[Suleiman]

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Pakistan claims to be the flag bearer of Islam, yet something so simple is being hotly debated, something other Muslim countries have no problem getting right. I think the same mufti or some one else is saying that y’all need to do another day of fasting now? Lol.

 

[MenInG]

Following controversy regarding the sighting of the Shawwal moon and the celebration of Eid in Pakistan on Thursday, Prime Minister Imran Khan's Special Representative for Interfaith Harmony Maulana Tahir Ashrafi has said that the Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee (RHC) took the right decision.

Maulana Ashrafi clarified that neither the decision to announce Eid on Thursday was wrong nor are believers required to observe a qaza fast.

His comments came in response to former RHC Chairman Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman's statement in which he urged believers to observe a qaza fast in lieu of Ramadan 30.

Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman had also asked those who observed aitkaaf to perform a qaza for that along with a fast, adding that he too would be fasting on Friday to make up for the missed roza.

The issue of moonsighting had also become controversial after a leaked video started making rounds on social media in which Mufti Yaseen Zafar, a member of the Central RHC, could be seen talking on the phone with someone and saying that the committee announced eid "in a bid to show unity."

Shedding light upon the delay in announcing the sighting of the moon, Ashrafi said that the process was delayed as the information related to the sighting of the moon was being verified by the Darul Ifta (fatwa department) Pakistan.

"The whole nation, including those who doubted the news of moon sighting, celebrated the Eid today," said Ashrafi. "People who had rejected the announcement agreed to it later in line with the Islamic principles (Shariah) and not due to politics."

He said that the moon is visible today, which is proof that the decision of the RHC was correct.

On Wednesday night, the session of the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee to sight the moon, chaired by Maulana Abdul Khabir Azad, went on for hours. At about 11:30pm, Maulana Azad announced that Eid would be observed in Pakistan on Thursday, May 13, adding that evidence of moon sighting has been received from Balochistan and other areas which the committee accepted in line with the Shariah.

Following the announcement, Prime Minister Imran Khan's Special Representative for Interfaith Harmony Maulana Tahir Ashrafi had said that the government had "fulfilled its promise to the nation of celebrating Eid on the same day throughout the country."

"There was a delay but we gave the people the gift of a singular Eid," he said.

Ashrafi added that the decisions on testimonies were made "in accordance with the Shariah".

"The entire nation will celebrate Eid together after 20 years," he had said.

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[Varun]

Why have one holiday when you can have two?

 

[Mamoon]

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Pakistan claims to be the flag bearer of Islam, yet something so simple is being hotly debated, something other Muslim countries have no problem getting right. I think the same mufti or some one else is saying that y’all need to do another day of fasting now? Lol.

Mufti Muneeb is throwing a tantrum and is imploring the nation to observe a qaza fast to make up for the one that we allegedly missed.

The same Mufti is now hiding behind science and the incorrect assessment of the Met Office.

However, when had the monopoly of declaring Eid for almost 500 years, he always rejected science and never paid heed to what the Met Office said.

That is why he was on his rooftop every year.

 

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This is the moon in Peshawar today. I took this picture myself at 7:48 pm.

Right now, as I am typing this post it is 8:18 pm.

Anyone who has seen a first day moon can tell that is the second day moon.

Like every year, Popalzai was right again. Today was the right day to celebrate Eid.

The Met department of Pakistan have a lot of explaining to do, and it appears that like every department in the country, it is also incompetent.

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If the moon is thick and remains on the horizon a long time, it must be the 2nd day moon. This is Factually incorrect.

This is very common argument, but has no truth in it. If on the 29th day, the moon at sunset is 18 hours old and is higher above the glare of the sun, it may be visible on that day and will appear to be very thin.

However, if the 18 hours old moon on the 29th day is very low on the horizon, it would not be visible on that day, then on the 30th day it would be 42 hours old and quite thick, and remains above the horizon a long time, while it was not visible the day before.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why have one holiday when you can have two?

I think some of the UAE countries actually get round this by allocating a week holiday which must cover all possibilities. The basically celebrate it as and when you see fit. Although that doesn't help much for public celebration, but we just usually go with the first one which is inevitably Saudi, then if other people are celebrating the next day, just treat it like a two day event.

 

[bala977]

Eid Mubarak to all PPers who are celebrating. Best wishes.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

How difficult is it to follow a lunar calendar in the 21st century?

 

[Gayle_Force]

Firstly, this situation is not unique to Pakistan. Saudis messed this up a few years ago as well. In Canada, there have been situations where two Muslim families in the same neighbourhood would be celebrating Eid on different days. I am sure other countries have faced similar challenges.

I just find it confusing that as Muslims we trust scientific time to determine when to pray and when to start or break a fast but for some reason we can’t do the same for determining the day of Eid.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How difficult is it to follow a lunar calendar in the 21st century?

Isn't the difficulty that the lunar calendar is different in many places depending on time zones?

 

[bones]

Isn't the difficulty that the lunar calendar is different in many places depending on time zones?

It does vary but with modern science we can tell well in advance what the dates will be. I honestly dont even know why anyone leaves it to human judgement.

 

[bones]

How difficult is it to follow a lunar calendar in the 21st century?

Not very, it's very easy because like with most areas of life, science can help confirm these things well in advance. I'm pretty sure if they left it to science and not human judgement we would have all the dates confirmed for the next millenia.