The man who knew infinity

[carrom_ball]

Upcoming hollywood movie on the life of genius mathematician S Ramanujan,should be interesting, don't like this actor playing ramanujan though

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Seems like an interesting movie. Hard to make a thrilling trailer for such movies.

Let's see how it shapes up.

Looks like they have got the settings of his origin quite right.

I apply the same symbol on my forehead during religious events.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What is the contribution of Ramanujan? I hear he worked on number theory, but any useful application of his work?

 

[TM Riddle]

He was mentioned in the goodwill hunting if I'm not wrong.Looking forward to this one.

 

[CricketCartoons]

He was mentioned in the goodwill hunting if I'm not wrong.Looking forward to this one.

Yes, as the Indian with the dot, not feathers.

 

[karthikc]

What is the contribution of Ramanujan? I hear he worked on number theory, but any useful application of his work?

Many of his discoveries are being applied in computer sciences calculations. He also worked on mathematical series to approximate value of pi to more accurate values

 

[dhump]

Sad that such a mind got lost at just age of 32...Looking forward to the movie.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Many of his discoveries are being applied in computer sciences calculations. He also worked on mathematical series to approximate value of pi to more accurate values

Which of his discoveries are used in conputer science? And what is the use of calculating pi till say 1000 decimal places? I am asking because I know maths is used for recreation by some mathematicians but I want to know its real practical use. Thanks.

 

[keyser]

Looks pretty lame. If they said "proofs" only a few more times.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Upcoming hollywood movie on the life of genius mathematician S Ramanujan,should be interesting, don't like this actor playing ramanujan though

That's Dev Patel from Slumdog millionaire. He's gone from playing a British asian lad in Skins to more formulaic typical Indian roles in films these days. This film might be popular in India but I can't see western audiences being interested. Sounds like a horrendous borefest.

 

[carrom_ball]

That's Dev Patel from Slumdog millionaire. He's gone from playing a British asian lad in Skins to more formulaic typical Indian roles in films these days. This film might be popular in India but I can't see western audiences being interested. Sounds like a horrendous borefest.

I know Dev Patel very well, I have watched skins and that awful movie avatar the last airbender, just don't like this guy

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Now I see why I this dude looked familiar.

Dev Patel from Slumdog Millionaire.

How did I miss that.

lol.

He may botch up this role.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I know Dev Patel very well, I have watched skins and that awful movie avatar the last airbender, just don't like this guy

He's not exactly heartthrob material but that probably suits this role.

 

[Sandeep]

Siddharth probably would have been a better choice. The Tamil accent is missing as well

 

[Sandeep]

Seems like an interesting movie. Hard to make a thrilling trailer for such movies.

Let's see how it shapes up.

Looks like they have got the settings of his origin quite right.

I apply the same symbol on my forehead during religious events.

Is it the Thenkalai or Vadakalai sricharanam you see? I can't make out! I hope they capture the details.. would be amazing!

 

[carrom_ball]

Is it the Thenkalai or Vadakalai sricharanam you see? I can't make out! I hope they capture the details.. would be amazing!

The acting in the trailer wasn't great tbh, his fake Indian accent is a turn off, hopefully the movie turns out better

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Is it the Thenkalai or Vadakalai sricharanam you see? I can't make out! I hope they capture the details.. would be amazing!

Vadagalai.

The thiruman (white mark) can be used to determine Thengalai or Vadakalai.

His is that of Vadagalai. U shape.

Thengalais have it pointing downwards.

His sreecharanam (coloured mark) is red (I think).

Vadagalais use either yellow or red (actually I heard they should use yellow mainly and red for certain instances but quite a few use red only). Thenkalais use the red mark.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

In real life, dunno what Ramanujan was (thenkalai or vadagalai).

 

[Sandeep]

Vadagalai.

The thiruman (white mark) can be used to determine Thengalai or Vadakalai.

His is that of Vadagalai. U shape.

Thengalais have it pointing downwards.

His sreecharanam (coloured mark) is red (I think).

Vadagalais use either yellow or red (actually I heard they should use yellow mainly and red for certain instances but quite a few use red only). Thenkalais use the red mark.

I know bro.. but it was very confusing from the thumbnail pic. Out of shape sricharanam. I hate it when people do that!

 

[anakin]

Not impressed with the trailer, but won't be surprised if awards are showered by Americans for the sake of diversity.Just hoping it wins for the its cinematic brilliance and little distortion of actual life story.

But, for someone with great affection for Mathematics, its going to be a joy to let people marvel on the absolute genius of Maths, rivaled only by Euler and Gauss.

 

[pillionrider]

Was actually looking forward to this movie when it was announced a few years back. Seeing this hopeless actor in it has put me off it for good. Madhavan was slotted to play this earlier but the producers wanted an international actor. So they settled for this clown.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I know bro.. but it was very confusing from the thumbnail pic. Out of shape sricharanam. I hate it when people do that!

Yeah...the thumbnail looks like there is a white line on his nose too. Just light.

I guess sweat and retakes screwed up his forehead.

 

[anakin]

Was actually looking forward to this movie when it was announced a few years back. Seeing this hopeless actor in it has put me off it for good. Madhavan was slotted to play this earlier but the producers wanted an international actor. So they settled for this clown.

Madhavan would have been the right choice, His fake accent is bad! But Westerners will lap it up!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

How would have Madhavan portrayed this role correctly?

He would have screwed it up too. Don't see a Tamil Iyengar in him.

Even though Vikram over-acted in Anniyan (too whiny), he could have done well here with a good director.

But he is too old.

Its a hard casting job.

 

[Sandeep]

How would have Madhavan portrayed this role correctly?

He would have screwed it up too. Don't see a Tamil Iyengar in him.

Even though Vikram over-acted in Anniyan (too whiny), he could have done well here with a good director.

But he is too old.

Its a hard casting job.

They should cast the one true Iyengar Kamal Hassan for the role

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

But then thinking about it...he did do a good role in Nala Damayanti playing the Tam Brahmin role.

So I may be harsh on him.

But still not sure about whether he could pull it off in terms of acting.

 

[pillionrider]

How would have Madhavan portrayed this role correctly?

He would have screwed it up too. Don't see a Tamil Iyengar in him.

Even though Vikram over-acted in Anniyan (too whiny), he could have done well here with a good director.

But he is too old.

Its a hard casting job.

To start with, he's a better actor

Doesn't look a fake Indian like this guy.

Would have delivered his lines better and not like he was acting in some idiotic school play.

Vikram would have been better. Agree. But doesn't have that youthful look anymore which is needed for the character.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

They should cast the one true Iyengar Kamal Hassan for the role

Haha....he is the guy.

He can even play various shades Tam Bram (the religious orthodox fella, the educated city fella, the foreign educated fella).

Too old though.

And he would have changed the story and wanted more scenes to show his acting skills. )

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Madhavan would have been the right choice, His fake accent is bad! But Westerners will lap it up!

I was going to say why would they be interested in watching a film about a maths nerd, but then I watched the trailer and there is a fair bit of the old British Raj thing going on so maybe it will catch some interest. Brits love reflecting on the glory years, period dramas are always very popular.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

To start with, he's a better actor

Doesn't look a fake Indian like this guy.

Would have delivered his lines better and not like he was acting in some idiotic school play.

Vikram would have been better. Agree. But doesn't have that youthful look anymore which is needed for the character.

Not comparing him with Dev Patel.

 

[carrom_ball]

Ramunujan would cringe in the heaven )

Ramanujan was a devout hindu, so he's not in heaven, he's probably reborn 2 times since he died ( I know poor joke )

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not impressed with the trailer, but won't be surprised if awards are showered by Americans for the sake of diversity.Just hoping it wins for the its cinematic brilliance and little distortion of actual life story.

But, for someone with great affection for Mathematics, its going to be a joy to let people marvel on the absolute genius of Maths, rivaled only by Euler and Gauss.

Now that is gross exaggeration. Ramanujan is nowhere near the likes of newton and leibniz, reimann and turing.

But certainly among the best hindu mathematicians, the other being aryabhatta and brahmagupta.

 

[carrom_ball]

Now that is gross exaggeration. Ramanujan is nowhere near the likes of newton and leibniz, reimann and turing.

But certainly among the best hindu mathematicians, the other being aryabhatta and brahmagupta.

look who's brown nosing

 

[CricketCartoons]

look who's brown nosing

Brown nosing whom? Robert?

Newton and leibniz gave calculus, and entire field in maths. Ramanujan at best gave a few formulae in number theory. Try again.

 

[anakin]

look who's brown nosing

First an Expert on Constitution, then an expert of Maths, and expert on Nuclear Technology, sociology.

Screw Newton, Gauss, Euler the truest polymath ever lived is CC. ) (or 1min Google search zindabad)

Listing true mathematical geniuses and this guy misses Gauss and Euler... LMAO!!

CC... this is literally not your domain bro! Dont embarrass yourself here.

 

[Cosmic]

Why the Hell People study those Kind Of Tera Calculus ? what's the need ?

 

[CricketCartoons]

First an Expert on Constitution, then an expert of Maths, and expert on Nuclear Technology, sociology.

Screw Newton, Gauss, Euler the truest polymath ever lived is CC. ) (or 1min Google search zindabad)

Listing true mathematical geniuses and this guy misses Gauss and Euler... LMAO!!

CC... this is literally not your domain bro! Dont embarrass yourself here.

Your comprehension is not surprising. So if I say Ramanujan is not close to the likes of newton and leibniz, how does that mean Gauss and Euler are not geniuses? Go on, I would like to hear your logic. But won't be surprised if you come up with your usual abba dabba jabba.

 

[CricketCartoons]

PS: You went all the trouble to find the name Reimann and missed Gauss and Euler thats the most hilarious part!

LOL. So if I dont think too highly of Ramanujan, should I compare him with the best ever mathematicians, or the ones at a lower level?

Should I compare Vinay Kumar with Zaheer Khan or Waseem Akram?

According to the great anakin, if I say Vinay Kumar is not even close to Zaheer Khan, it means Waseem Akram is not among the best. )

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think I am being a bit harsh on Ramanujan. After all he was poor and self taught mathematician. And certainly holds a place of pride among the eminent and illustrious Hindu mathematicians.

 

[pillionrider]

What is the contribution of Ramanujan? I hear he worked on number theory, but any useful application of his work?

Which of his discoveries are used in conputer science? And what is the use of calculating pi till say 1000 decimal places? I am asking because I know maths is used for recreation by some mathematicians but I want to know its real practical use. Thanks.

So initially this guy displays his ignorance in matters regarding Ramanujan. (Which is fine).

He then waits around to see if someone with knowledge on the subject appears.

Hours troll by.

Now satisfied that the chances of him being called out when he throws on his intellectual cape are slim, he briefly stops to admire the stenciling in pink and gold on his cape that reads "IT ENGINEERS ARE KOOL&COOL", before plunging headlong into dismissing the contributions of Ramanujan while summarily annexing Mathematics and its history to his uninhabited fiefdom.

 

[Syed1]

Oh that is the poor guy from Slumdog

 

[CricketCartoons]

So initially this guy displays his ignorance in matters regarding Ramanujan. (Which is fine).

He then waits around to see if someone with knowledge on the subject appears.

I find it pathetic that people are more interested in discussing Dev patel and some madrasi actors than Ramanujan himself.

 

[pillionrider]

I find it pathetic that people are more interested in discussing Dev patel and some madrasi actors than Ramanujan himself.

The thread has a trailer in its OP. Not all of us are altruistic intellectuals who only see the advancement of mankind in every topic.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The thread has a trailer in its OP. Not all of us are altruistic intellectuals who only see the advancement of mankind in every topic.

Of course. These indians know neerja as sonam kapoor, mary kom as priyanka chopra and gandhi as ben kingsley. So dev Patel over Ramanujan.

 

[enkidu_]

Brown nosing whom? Robert?

Newton and leibniz gave calculus, and entire field in maths. Ramanujan at best gave a few formulae in number theory. Try again.

Calculus was discovered by Keralan mathematicians around the 14-15th centuries, that's becoming mainstream, and perhaps even by a Japanese mathematician a century later (still decades before Newton-Leibniz). Recently read that an Ottoman Empire-based Algerian, Ibn Hamza al-Maghribi, invented the logarithms years before John Napier. Ancient civilizations all had that kind of knowledge, what they lacked was that satanic disdain for God and His creation which characterises the "West" : that's the reason why the so called "industrial revolution" didn't happen in China, India or the Islamic world, nothing else. Hindu civilization is the only one to have preserved it partially (oral form, then written manuscripts), but even today a pyramid would be impossible to build, and there's a reason.

Leibniz in particular, as a philosopher, was really mediocre : badly digested what he freely took from the Chinese Buddhism school of Hua-Yen, which in the 8th century was already saying what Leibniz said, but with a dozen times more subtly, and without the superficialities and gross errors only Europeans can commit in metaphysics (it's pathetically funny to see Indians in love Descartes, Kant, ... and all these hacks, that tells you how ignorant they are of their own tradition.)

Still today peoples see Leibniz as a "great philosopher", but hopefully when the economic shift will get back to Asia in few decades, history of science/philosophy will rewritten accordingly.

 

[enkidu_]

I think I am being a bit harsh on Ramanujan. After all he was poor and self taught mathematician. And certainly holds a place of pride among the eminent and illustrious Hindu mathematicians.

He's good for modern standards, but is a noob in terms of ancient Hindu mathematics.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He's good for modern standards, but is a noob in terms of ancient Hindu mathematics.

How can you claim that?

I don't understand it.

 

[enkidu_]

How can you claim that?

I don't understand it.

Humanity lost a lot of wisdom when it entered the Kali-Yuga, but some has been preserved in the Vedic knowledge-system.

You can't compare so called "mathematicians" with no infusion into the higher plane of the Real with the Rishis. Mathematics is just a branch of metaphysics.

 

[adit_sh]

Finally Ramunajan feels proud, He has been certified by CC.
Lifetime goal achieved!!
)

Google has taken mankind to a level that any one believes and attains what he/she searches......you see

 

[anakin]

Humanity lost a lot of wisdom when it entered the Kali-Yuga, but some has been preserved in the Vedic knowledge-system.

You can't compare so called "mathematicians" with no infusion into the higher plane of the Real with the Rishis. Mathematics is just a branch of metaphysics.

Are you serious bro??

The last sentence is absolutely wrong!

 

[CricFan2012]

Looks like a very boring movie, trailer already given most of the movie. Not worth watching.

 

[enkidu_]

Are you serious bro??

The last sentence is absolutely wrong!

You probably have a very bad definition of metaphysics.

 

[anakin]

You probably have a very bad definition of metaphysics.

Maths is the superset, not the other way round.

 

[enkidu_]

Maths is the superset, not the other way round.

You have a very bad definition of metaphysics indeed.

How can mathematics be the "superset", when mathematics concern itself with the corporeal-material, that is, the lowest of the grades of Existence ?

In Islam, you have three worlds :

al mulk = the corporeal-material world
al malakut = the "angelic" or intermediary world, that everyone can access, through his soul, during dreams
al jabarut = the world of the Intellect

(the other two realms, al jabarut and al hahut, are the realms of the Divinity and the Essence.)

Metaphysics and spiritual practice take you to the third stage; mathematics, biology, ... only study, analytically, the beings of the first world (and even there, ours is only one of the 18 000, as per the Tradition).

Without all this theory, if really mathematics was the "superset", it would have been of some importance to your psychic life - but it has nothing to say on the world of the soul.

Also, because modern mathematics concerns itself with pure quantity, it can't tell you about the qualitative experience of aesthetics.

Read how the Ancients (Plato, Pythagoras, ... to just name few Greeks) viewed mathematics as servant to metaphysics.

 

[guvi]

he knew about infinity, but he never saw it.

knowing is a curse !

gnan frees your soul.

he died as a free happy man !

age never matters !

32 is a ripe age for him to die.

respects !!!

 

[CricketCartoons]

he knew about infinity, but he never saw it.

knowing is a curse !

gnan frees your soul.

he died as a free happy man !

age never matters !

32 is a ripe age for him to die.

respects !!!

Abel died much younger, and some famous mathematician (one from the bernoulli family?) said that he left enough to keep mathematicians busy for the next 100 years.

 

[anakin]

You have a very bad definition of metaphysics indeed.

How can mathematics be the "superset", when mathematics concern itself with the corporeal-material, that is, the lowest of the grades of Existence ?

In Islam, you have three worlds :

al mulk = the corporeal-material world
al malakut = the "angelic" or intermediary world, that everyone can access, through his soul, during dreams
al jabarut = the world of the Intellect

(the other two realms, al jabarut and al hahut, are the realms of the Divinity and the Essence.)

Metaphysics and spiritual practice take you to the third stage; mathematics, biology, ... only study, analytically, the beings of the first world (and even there, ours is only one of the 18 000, as per the Tradition).

Without all this theory, if really mathematics was the "superset", it would have been of some importance to your psychic life - but it has nothing to say on the world of the soul.

Also, because modern mathematics concerns itself with pure quantity, it can't tell you about the qualitative experience of aesthetics.

Read how the Ancients (Plato, Pythagoras, ... to just name few Greeks) viewed mathematics as servant to metaphysics.

Your definition is pretty weak bro!! Your definition seems confined to old times. The limitation on Maths belongs to the time, not Maths itself.

Just because you can't quantify yet doesn't mean you cannot do it in future.
Dont limit maths to simple 1+1 = 2,

Maths evolves as we evolve and learn about the universe or anything. Maths is the surest way of putting any understanding in clear and precise form. Its the most accurate language of the universe.
Mathematics is without limits, it can define everything, it depends on the capability of the human kind to be able to frame it.

 

[anakin]

Abel died much younger, and some famous mathematician (one from the bernoulli family?) said that he left enough to keep mathematicians busy for the next 100 years.

Just google the utility of Ramanujan's contributions to modern Technology for a change!! and stick to topic

 

[yasir]

Good to see a movie on 'S Ramanujan', I wanted it to be a big budget movie...

Sometime one wonders what he could have being, if he was not Vegetarian(If I recall, main reason he could not survive in England because of being Vegetarian could not get enough nutrition during war time in England) , he could have lived longer and contributed a lot more... He was similar age group to that of Mighty Einstein, who knows they could have worked together...

 

[CricketCartoons]

Just google the utility of Ramanujan's contributions to modern Technology for a change!! and stick to topic

Could not find anything. Care to share it here for the benefit of everyone?

 

[enkidu_]

Your definition is pretty weak bro!! Your definition seems confined to old times. The limitation on Maths belongs to the time, not Maths itself.

Just because you can't quantify yet doesn't mean you cannot do it in future.
Dont limit maths to simple 1+1 = 2,

Maths evolves as we evolve and learn about the universe or anything. Maths is the surest way of putting any understanding in clear and precise form. Its the most accurate language of the universe.
Mathematics is without limits, it can define everything, it depends on the capability of the human kind to be able to frame it.

Maths limit itself to the corporal-material world, because it studies quantity : I don't "criticize" mathematics, but say that it's a sub-branch of metaphysics ; maths teach you about reality, whereas metaphysics immerse you into the Real (Allâh) ; maths extensive inquiries can flirt with some parcels of Truth, but not Good and Beauty, because Reality is essentially or Sat-Chit-Ananda, and such aesthetic experience by its very definition goes beyond the material world (that's the primal etymology of "meta-physics"). You can't encompass jnana into a theorem, but a human hearth (in its noblest sense, again not the physical organ), as the Upanishads tell us.

Of all peoples, someone of a Hindu, Jain or Buddhist background should be the last impressed by such narratives, considering the tremendous epistemological work done by these religions (as Fritjof Capra shows in "The Tao of physics", it's only now that "modern" science is slowly coming in terms with old Indian wisdom ; and CG Jung said that Western psychology was the work of a beginning amateur compared to "Oriental psychology", mainly Indian Yoga ; let's not even bring Schopenhauer/TS Eliot who wrote that the greatest European "philosophers" are like children when compared to Hindu sages).

 

[enkidu_]

Good to see a movie on 'S Ramanujan', I wanted it to be a big budget movie...

Sometime one wonders what he could have being, if he was not Vegetarian(If I recall, main reason he could not survive in England because of being Vegetarian could not get enough nutrition during war time in England) , he could have lived longer and contributed a lot more... He was similar age group to that of Mighty Einstein, who knows they could have worked together...

He was also very religious.

 

[yasir]

He was also very religious.

That's not first time religion came in way of science....

Desi culture need a good shakeup to get rid of dogma and superstition as main stream culture, looking at Bollywood movies for 50 years, traditional culture is still strong....

My hope is that with Internet, our culture will be more extrovert than intro, that would benefits society more than in past!! - Science is exciting that should be part of culture not just a boring work/money making thing [emoji27][emoji27]


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[anakin]

Maths limit itself to the corporal-material world, because it studies quantity : I don't "criticize" mathematics, but say that it's a sub-branch of metaphysics ; maths teach you about reality, whereas metaphysics immerse you into the Real (Allâh) ; maths extensive inquiries can flirt with some parcels of Truth, but not Good and Beauty, because Reality is essentially or Sat-Chit-Ananda, and such aesthetic experience by its very definition goes beyond the material world (that's the primal etymology of "meta-physics"). You can't encompass jnana into a theorem, but a human hearth (in its noblest sense, again not the physical organ), as the Upanishads tell us.

Of all peoples, someone of a Hindu, Jain or Buddhist background should be the last impressed by such narratives, considering the tremendous epistemological work done by these religions (as Fritjof Capra shows in "The Tao of physics", it's only now that "modern" science is slowly coming in terms with old Indian wisdom ; and CG Jung said that Western psychology was the work of a beginning amateur compared to "Oriental psychology", mainly Indian Yoga ; let's not even bring Schopenhauer/TS Eliot who wrote that the greatest European "philosophers" are like children when compared to Hindu sages).

Wrong!!!

You are putting imaginary limitations on Maths!!

 

[anakin]

^ following up on that,

Improved mathematical computations fast and improved knowledge, one can predict any move a human would make, every thought he might think, every dream he might have.

Creation of true AI would be a product of our improved mathematics. Then we approach the confounding topic of soul. Just because dont know a certain thing yet doesn't mean we wont know it later.

Maths is the most precise and direct language of communication on everything in this universe and beyond.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Wrong!!!

You are putting imaginary limitations on Maths!!

Maths is largely a human construct. Just a set of tools to help other sciences. It is not like physics which tries to explain real world phenomena, but just abstract concepts which can someday be useful for modelling.

No wonder maths has no Nobel prize.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Maths is the most precise and direct language of communication on everything in this universe and beyond.

Lol. yes, dedekind cuts and hausdorff space are very precise and direct language for communication. )

 

[anakin]

Lol. yes, dedekind cuts and hausdorff space are very precise and direct language for communication. )

Well a pre-requisite of a certain level intelligence is major limitation of Maths.
Apologies to you on behalf of Maths!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The moment you walk into a thread and every post is going way over your head.

 

[enkidu_]

^ following up on that,

Improved mathematical computations fast and improved knowledge, one can predict any move a human would make, every thought he might think, every dream he might have.

Creation of true AI would be a product of our improved mathematics. Then we approach the confounding topic of soul. Just because dont know a certain thing yet doesn't mean we wont know it later.

So a robot doing a moonwalk is the epitome of creativity, but when Allah in the Qur'an talks of complex organisms constituting their own mental universes (the mosquito, the spider, birds, ...) you still ask for "proofs that God exists" ? Looking for water on Mars (what an astrological symbol !) but destroying the Earth which not only has water, but diverse fauna and flora... and this is linked to our discussion : when you reduce science to the material-corporal world, you get the Industrial Revolution as the West inaugurated it, and the ecological crisis parallel to the whole phenomenon.

Pure rationality is analytical, like a straight line stemming out of a point, which keeps extending indefinitely ; metaphysics is synthetical, in the sense that it brings all knowledge into an holistic paradigm, and "neutralises" its "quantitative" extension by mutating into "qualitative" intention (aesthetics of spirituality and beauty).

A practical example is the so called debate between geocentrism and heliocentrism. The Ancients weren't "dumb", and as Copernicus himself acknowledges, knew the heliocentric model centuries before our era, the first to put it forward being Eratosthenes, but surely could go back further if we had all the elements from the Babylonians, ancient Indians, ... so why did they persist with the geocentric model ? Because, through Aristotle's physics and Ptolemy's astronomy, it permitted them to use science as a tool to evolve spiritually ; the geocentric model shows man's relation to the planets (itself not being some floating physical objects, but having spiritual potentialities, as astrology has more or less retained.)

When you reduce science to pure rationality as in our era of Kali Yuga, far from AI, what you'll get is what you already have now : weapons of mass destruction (considering that a man is a "quantity", like a pack of eggs or something), toxic ideologies like feminism or transhumanism and all these narratives on how you "choose" your gender, psychological issues (considering that your psyche-soul is no more nourished), etc, etc

Read authors like René Guénon (Abd al Wahid Yahya) or Frithjof Schuon (Isa Nur-ud-Din), who died in the last century : easily the only Western metaphysicians of the 20th century, they knew all about European philosophy, contemporary scientific discourse and old Eastern wisdom (Hinduism and Buddhism), and they neatly dessicated "modernity" as you present it.

Maths is the most precise and direct language of communication on everything in this universe and beyond.

If "maths is the most precise and direct language of communication on everything in this universe and beyond", then metaphysics is the grammar.

 

[anakin]

So a robot doing a moonwalk is the epitome of creativity, but when Allah in the Qur'an talks of complex organisms constituting their own mental universes (the mosquito, the spider, birds, ...) you still ask for "proofs that God exists" ? Looking for water on Mars (what an astrological symbol !) but destroying the Earth which not only has water, but diverse fauna and flora... and this is linked to our discussion : when you reduce science to the material-corporal world, you get the Industrial Revolution as the West inaugurated it, and the ecological crisis parallel to the whole phenomenon.

Pure rationality is analytical, like a straight line stemming out of a point, which keeps extending indefinitely ; metaphysics is synthetical, in the sense that it brings all knowledge into an holistic paradigm, and "neutralises" its "quantitative" extension by mutating into "qualitative" intention (aesthetics of spirituality and beauty).

A practical example is the so called debate between geocentrism and heliocentrism. The Ancients weren't "dumb", and as Copernicus himself acknowledges, knew the heliocentric model centuries before our era, the first to put it forward being Eratosthenes, but surely could go back further if we had all the elements from the Babylonians, ancient Indians, ... so why did they persist with the geocentric model ? Because, through Aristotle's physics and Ptolemy's astronomy, it permitted them to use science as a tool to evolve spiritually ; the geocentric model shows man's relation to the planets (itself not being some floating physical objects, but having spiritual potentialities, as astrology has more or less retained.)

When you reduce science to pure rationality as in our era of Kali Yuga, far from AI, what you'll get is what you already have now : weapons of mass destruction (considering that a man is a "quantity", like a pack of eggs or something), toxic ideologies like feminism or transhumanism and all these narratives on how you "choose" your gender, psychological issues (considering that your psyche-soul is no more nourished), etc, etc

Read authors like René Guénon (Abd al Wahid Yahya) or Frithjof Schuon (Isa Nur-ud-Din), who died in the last century : easily the only Western metaphysicians of the 20th century, they knew all about European philosophy, contemporary scientific discourse and old Eastern wisdom (Hinduism and Buddhism), and they neatly dessicated "modernity" as you present it.



If "maths is the most precise and direct language of communication on everything in this universe and beyond", then metaphysics is the grammar.

Buddy, just try to delink Maths from Science and Technology. Those are the products of Maths not Maths itself.
Try to grasp this idea of Maths with your metaphysics.

You are just quoting scriptures with absolutely shut mind.
Metaphysics is just imagining the "truth" without lightning up the path to that "imaginary truth", while maths will continue to test whether thats the "ultimate truth", while illuminated the path to the "truth".

 

[pillionrider]

) Still reeling a couple minutes later from this gem

Maths is largely a human construct.

 

[CricketCartoons]

) Still reeling a couple minutes later from this gem

Maths is largely a human construct.

It is. It is not a discovery. It is a set of axioms created by man. This is how any field of maths is created. First you have a set of axioms, then you build theorems on that which satisfy the basic axioms.

For example Group Theory. Do you think it is not a human construct? Then what it is.


Wont be surprised if you evade answering just like the others who could not reply back in this thread.

 

[Sachin136]

) Still reeling a couple minutes later from this gem

Maths is largely a human construct.

There is nothing wrong with that statement. It is just a matter of opinion.

 

[Sachin136]

It is. It is not a discovery. It is a set of axioms created by man. This is how any field of maths is created. First you have a set of axioms, then you build theorems on that which satisfy the basic axioms.

For example Group Theory. Do you think it is not a human construct? Then what it is.


Wont be surprised if you evade answering just like the others who could not reply back in this thread.

Creating the axioms for mathematical systems should be considered as being inventive. However, developing and proving the theorems that apply is a part of discovery.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There is nothing wrong with that statement. It is just a matter of opinion.

I differ. It is not a matter of opinion. Maths is a collection of abstract concepts created by man to model real world.

For example, the number 1 is nothing. If I ask you to show me number 1, you cannot. You can show me 1 apple, 1 book, but not something concrete like number 1. It is an abstract representation. Not a matter of opinion.

Same with the so called imaginary numbers. 1 + i doe not exist. It is a concept. Yes, it can be applied to solve questions in electrical engineering, by treating it as vector, but it is nothing real and concrete in itself.

But let them have fun at their own expense.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Creating the axioms for mathematical systems should be considered as being inventive. However, developing and proving the theorems that apply is a part of discovery.

If motor engine is an invention, how is a car a discovery which builds on top of that invention?

 

[CricketCartoons]

[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION] had no answer when I challenged him to prove how Ramanujan is bigger than Newton and Leibniz. Could not back up his brown nosing comment.

Then came [MENTION=44367]anakin[/MENTION]. When I challenged him to show how comparing Ramanujan with Netwton implies Guass and Euler are not great, he ignored it and continued with his abba dabba jabba.

And now the [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION]. Struggling to prove Group Theory is anything but a human construct.

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[Sachin136]

I differ. It is not a matter of opinion. Maths is a collection of abstract concepts created by man to model real world.

For example, the number 1 is nothing. If I ask you to show me number 1, you cannot. You can show me 1 apple, 1 book, but not something concrete like number 1. It is an abstract representation. Not a matter of opinion.

Same with the so called imaginary numbers. 1 + i doe not exist. It is a concept. Yes, it can be applied to solve questions in electrical engineering, by treating it as vector, but it is nothing real and concrete in itself.

But let them have fun at their own expense.

Just because something is an abstraction doesn't mean it has to be invented.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Just because something is an abstraction doesn't mean it has to be invented.

Any example?