The man who knew infinity

[Sachin136]

[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION] had no answer when I challenged him to prove how Ramanujan is bigger than Newton and Leibniz. Could not back up his brown nosing comment.

Then came [MENTION=44367]anakin[/MENTION]. When I challenged him to show how comparing Ramanujan with Netwton implies Guass and Euler are not great, he ignored it and continued with his abba dabba jabba.

And now the [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION]. Struggling to prove Group Theory is anything but a human construct.

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We can define a group as a set with a binary relation, and the closure, associativity, inverse and identity axioms. There are many theorems we can discover and prove based on this, like the theorem that the identity element of a group is unique.

From the field axioms, you can deduce and prove all the basic algebraic laws like -(-a) = a. That doesn’t mean you invented those theorems. You merely deduced them based on the system you created.

 

[Sachin136]

Any example?

Mathematics.

 

[CricketCartoons]

We can define a group as a set with a binary relation, and the closure, associativity, inverse and identity axioms. There are many theorems we can discover and prove based on this, like the theorem that the identity element of a group is unique.

From the field axioms, you can deduce and prove all the basic algebraic laws like -(-a) = a. That doesn’t mean you invented those theorems. You merely deduced them based on the system you created.

They still remain human constructs.

All operating upon the set of axioms you created.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Mathematics.

How is it not a human construct? Is it something that was always there. The decimals, the binaries, the octals, the roman numerals are all human constructs to help man model real world problem (counting).

 

[Sachin136]

They still remain human constructs.

All operating upon the set of axioms you created.

Why does it matter what it is based on? You deduced those theorems based on those axioms. Hence, relative to the initial knowledge you had, you discovered something new.

 

[Sachin136]

How is it not a human construct? Is it something that was always there. The decimals, the binaries, the octals, the roman numerals are all human constructs to help man model real world problem (counting).

You're going in circles here. The basic axioms of any system are a human construct. However, everything that is deduced based on that is discovered. Once you state the axioms, all the theorems that can be deduced from it are always there.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You're going in circles here. The basic axioms of any system are a human construct. However, everything that is deduced based on that is discovered. Once you state the axioms, all the theorems that can be deduced from it are always there.

You are conflating deduction with discovery.

 

[pillionrider]

The decimals, the binaries, the octals, the roman numerals are all human constructs to help man model real world problem (counting).

When on shaky ground, always go back to and hold on to the basics you understand.

Such as Counting.

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[Sachin136]

You are conflating deduction with discovery.

If you are deducing something that wasn't known before (but existed) from something that is known, it qualifies as discovery.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Another example. Chess is a human construct where rules are defined. Someone can come up with a nice strategy but it doesnt become a discovery. Sicilian defence is still a human construct.

 

[Sachin136]

Another example. Chess is a human construct where rules are defined. Someone can come up with a nice strategy but it doesnt become a discovery. Sicilian defence is still a human construct.

Say someone finds a perfect algorithm which always leads to a win or a stalemate. Will you consider that a discovery?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Say someone finds a perfect algorithm which always leads to a win or a stalemate. Will you consider that a discovery?

It will still be a human construct. Not something that was innate. A man made strategy restricted by man made rules.

 

[Sachin136]

It will still be a human construct. Not something that was innate. A man made strategy restricted by man made rules.

Then every single piece of human knowledge is an invention, by your logic.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So an airplane is a discovery. Man just assembled parts created from earth material and we have an airplane.

 

[anakin]

If motor engine is an invention, how is a car a discovery which builds on top of that invention?

Car has an engine so its a discovery, what about electric cars bro
Normal car discovery, electric car invention ?? )

You analogies are absolute )
Engine: Car:: Axiom: Theorems???


What a logic sir....

All hail the mighty Genius of CC... plz never attempt an IQ test )

 

[CricketCartoons]

All hail the mighty Genius of CC... plz never attempt an IQ test )

I dont think i am the most intelligent guy here, but definitely I am among the top 5 genius posters of all time.

 

[anakin]

[MENTION=139973]carrom_ball[/MENTION] had no answer when I challenged him to prove how Ramanujan is bigger than Newton and Leibniz. Could not back up his brown nosing comment.

Then came [MENTION=44367]anakin[/MENTION]. When I challenged him to show how comparing Ramanujan with Netwton implies Guass and Euler are not great, he ignored it and continued with his abba dabba jabba.

And now the [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION]. Struggling to prove Group Theory is anything but a human construct.

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Betaaa...

Not your domain...

You googled your way for 1 minute to find Reimann(whose advisor actually Gauss), Do you even know what he contributed, While Gauss and Euler are widely regarded as the greatest mathematical geniuses even better then Newton, Euclid or DesCartes. The impact of their contribution is a different matter altogether. Ramanujan falls in the category of Gauss and Euler as true recognized mathematics genius.

If you had ever read a little bit of good maths, you would have known without googling this stuff.

You can troll you way around in subjective domains .. but something as objective as Maths, you are thoroughly exposed braah..

Its getting pitiful seeing you try this hard to troll now.

 

[anakin]

I dont think i am the most intelligent guy here, but definitely I am the greatest TRoll of all time.

Corrected ....

 

[CricketCartoons]

Betaaa...

Not your domain...

You googled your way for 1 minute to find Reimann(whose advisor actually Gauss), Do you even know what he contributed, While Gauss and Euler are widely regarded as the greatest mathematical geniuses even better then Newton, Euclid or DesCartes. The impact of their contribution is a different matter altogether. Ramanujan falls in the category of Gauss and Euler as true recognized mathematics genius.

If you had ever read a little bit of good maths, you would have known without googling this stuff.

You can troll you way around in subjective domains .. but something as objective as Maths, you are thoroughly exposed braah..

Its getting pitiful seeing you try this hard to troll now.

read the post again. I actually called gauss and euler greater than newton. You are only parroting me. )

 

[anakin]

read the post again. I actually called gauss and euler greater than newton. You are only parroting me. )

Buddy, you dont know an iota about those guys, Your first lines of geniuses were Newton and Leibniz, and Reimann )

Typical Donald Trump!!

 

[pillionrider]

) Oh Lord.

Just a matter of time before he or someone else claims he was trolling and offers the fact that he champed up Physics while putting down Mathematics by way of proof.

As predicted, it follows:

I dont think i am the most intelligent guy here, but definitely I am among the top 5 genius posters of all time.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Buddy, you dont know an iota about those guys, Your first lines of geniuses were Newton and Leibniz, and Reimann )

Typical Donald Trump!!

So you want me to put ramanujan in the same sentence as euler and guass? You clearly dont think to be the geeatest then. )

 

[Sachin136]

Comparing the achievements of these mathematicians is very opinionated. If you ask 10 different people you will get 10 different answers. Out of the ones I have some familiarity with their work, the mathematicians who have contributed the most IMO are Gauss, Newton, Euler, Archimedes, Hilbert and Riemann.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He's not exactly heartthrob material but that probably suits this role.

Most Indian men aren't heartthrobs unless they are Punjabi. But as the sex appeal drops towards south, the sincerity levels rise.

 

[anakin]

Most Indian men aren't heartthrobs unless they are Punjabi. But as the sex appeal drops towards south, the sincerity levels rise.

That hurts!!
I was under the impression we have bigger hearts

 

[CricketCartoons]

That hurts!!
I was under the impression we have bigger hearts

Among indians, tamil brahmins have the highest IQ followed by north indian brahmins. Punjabis come after that.

 

[street cricketer]

Among indians, tamil brahmins have the highest IQ followed by north indian brahmins. Punjabis come after that.

I too think so, but what do you think is the reason behind it?

 

[Abhilash93]

Dev Patel looks or feels nothing like what I imagined Ramanujam would be. It would have a lot better to cast a good South Indian actor or someone like an Irrfan or Nawazuddin.

 

[anakin]

I too think so, but what do you think is the reason behind it?

Sambhar Dosa>> Aloo Parantha + malaai

 

[anakin]

Dev Patel looks or feels nothing like what I imagined Ramanujam would be. It would have a lot better to cast a good South Indian actor or someone like an Irrfan or Nawazuddin.

This movie might end up doing well everywhere except India because of Dev Patel.

 

[street cricketer]

Sambhar Dosa>> Aloo Parantha + malaai

Not necessarily. I think it's probably because brahmins were the most educated elite of the community from time immemorial and they generally value and stress on education more than most others. That's probably one reason.

Btw sambhar dosa >> Aloo paratha is true

 

[anakin]

Not necessarily. I think it's probably because brahmins were the most educated elite of the community from time immemorial and they generally value and stress on education more than most others. That's probably one reason.

Btw sambhar dosa >> Aloo paratha is true

Apart from the sacreligous inequation(mine was a joke), I forgive you
Because we got the bigger hearts

I think the difference stems from the fact North India has been subject of invasions and wars since ancient times, hence a certain shift away from intellectual endeavor and more into military and politics.
While South remained relatively stable, hence the emphasis on very unique arts and education.

 

[Black Zero]

From Wiki:

" His formulas are now being used in crystallography and string theory"

He heavily contributed towards number theory which is used in many fields including cryptography.

Plus, if he knew the infinity/infinite series, he could have been key to find God/Gods respectively.

Huge loss that he dies so young. RIP.

 

[Black Zero]

Is math discovered or invented?

Above clip addresses some of the points discussed in this thread.

 

[MenInG]

Los Angeles: Dev Patel and his friends broke up a knife fight outside a convenience store in Adelaide, Australia, a representative for the Oscar-nominated actor has confirmed.

According to Australian outlet 7News, a man and a woman were fighting on August 1 when the man was stabbed in the chest. He is expected to survive.

In a statement to entertainment website Variety on Tuesday, Patel's representative said, "We can confirm that last night, in Adelaide, Dev Patel and his friends witnessed a violent altercation that was already in progress outside of a convenience store." The British actor of Indian origin, known for films such as "Slumdog Millionaire", "Lion" and "The Green Knight", acted on his natural instinct "to try and de-escalate the situation" and break up the fight, added the representative.

"The group was thankfully successful in doing so and they remained on site to ensure that the police and eventually the ambulance arrived," read the statement.

The statement from Patel's team emphasised that "there are no heroes in this situation and sadly this specific incident highlights a larger systemic issue of marginalized members of society not being treated with the dignity and respect they deserve".

"The hope is that the same level of media attention this story is receiving (solely because Dev, as a famous person, was involved) can be a catalyst for lawmakers to be compassionate in determining long-term solutions to help not only the individuals who were involved but the community at large," the statement concluded.

Patel's directorial debut "Monkey Man" is currently in post-production at Netflix. He is also set to star in Wes Anderson's "The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar", set up at the streamer.

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