The misuse of power by Pakistani captains at the Pakistan Super League

[Rana]

Not sure how much more we can highlight this issue. I am strongly becoming sick and tired of appointing the so called best players of the team as captains and then watching them totally misuse the power to their own benefit, and not caring at all about the team

1. Babar Azam stubbornly holding on to an opening spot in T20s. Realistically he has no business playing this format let alone hold onto this batting position with his clear lack of aggressive intent

2. Rizwan hogging a powerplay spot as an opener to play his pathetic 16 off 15 balls every time in the powerplay because he knows how useless he is having to bat in a middle order position

3. Shadab Khan with no natural batting technique or psychology playing in a key batting position such as number 4

4. Imad Wasim knowing he is in the best form of his life and watching players like Malik always making a mess of the team momentum at number 4, whilst he himself hides at number 5 or 6

5. Shaheen Afridi out of the blue batting at 6 just because he tonks a few in the nets


When will the PCB learn and make sure they do not appoint selfish players as captains?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

6. Sarfaraz abusing his players despite being the most mediocre player in most teams he plays.

 

[sweep_shot]

6. Sarfaraz abusing his players despite being the most mediocre player in most teams he plays.

I wouldn't call Sarfaraz mediocre. I think he is a handy batter.

But, he screams too much as a captain. He needs to tone it down.

 

[Saj]

Quite a few of them do what they want, when they want and how they want.

At times it's like watching benefit matches.

 

[jiduguravindra]

I can't understand the logic behind the Shaheen Afridi coming up the order. If they want to tonk a few, rashid is much better option than him.

 

[Firebat]

I can't understand the logic behind the Shaheen Afridi coming up the order. If they want to tonk a few, rashid is much better option than him.

All 3 batsmen that came after him, Wiese Raza Rashid, are far better options than him.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think any of them are misusing their power.

Shadab has batted reasonably well in the middle order in the past.

Rizwan is having an awesome tournament as captain, I'm not sure why he is on the list apart from your dislike. He plays as an opener for other franchises/teams also.

SSA was a bit of naivety but part of me admires the aggression/intent. It never came off but he was willing to try and grab the game himself.

Imad has some cowardly tendencies, often hides when bowling and only comes into bat when the other team has switched off and the game is lost.

Babar is in a similar boat to Imad.

 

[Saj]

I can't understand the logic behind the Shaheen Afridi coming up the order. If they want to tonk a few, rashid is much better option than him.

I think he wanted to show his wife (who is in the crowd), that he can bat and is an all-rounder

 

[Kianig89]

But but but PSL is the best league in the world, makes the coaching staff and mgmt of franchises highly suspectable when it comes to strategy and game plan

 

[zarak]

I think you had an extra go at Rizwan. Clearly the team is built around him and he's been doing it for the last three seasons. Also he has been batting through, leading the charts and is striking over 150.

I agree with the rest.

 

[Rana]

I think you had an extra go at Rizwan. Clearly the team is built around him and he's been doing it for the last three seasons. Also he has been batting through, leading the charts and is striking over 150.

I agree with the rest.

There is no justification for casually scoring 16 off 15 every powerplay

 

[zarak]

I don't like it but it's justified if you consistently end up with 50+ with a strike rate of over 150. The end justifies the means.

In any case your post was about abusing power. This is just the deal that you get with Rizwan, the team strategy is okay with it so he's not really abusing any power. It's just how it is. It's a bit different from Shaheen and Shadab, or Babar who is hell bent on opening.

 

[zarak]

Add Sarfaraz existence in the team to this list

 

[FreakCricket]

Babar and Sarfraz should be on TV instead occupying T20 Spots. Babar should retire from T20 ASAP

 

[Rana]

I guess Sarfaraz is misusing his power by playing

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Not sure how much more we can highlight this issue. I am strongly becoming sick and tired of appointing the so called best players of the team as captains and then watching them totally misuse the power to their own benefit, and not caring at all about the team

1. Babar Azam stubbornly holding on to an opening spot in T20s. Realistically he has no business playing this format let alone hold onto this batting position with his clear lack of aggressive intent

2. Rizwan hogging a powerplay spot as an opener to play his pathetic 16 off 15 balls every time in the powerplay because he knows how useless he is having to bat in a middle order position

3. Shadab Khan with no natural batting technique or psychology playing in a key batting position such as number 4

4. Imad Wasim knowing he is in the best form of his life and watching players like Malik always making a mess of the team momentum at number 4, whilst he himself hides at number 5 or 6

5. Shaheen Afridi out of the blue batting at 6 just because he tonks a few in the nets


When will the PCB learn and make sure they do not appoint selfish players as captains?

You missed an important one, Karachi Kings misusing their power and droppedSharjeel, one of the most destructive batter of 21st century.

 

[Abstraction1]

Why are you so selective in your opinions [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]?

Babar and Rizwan are both respectively top of the T20 Rankings.

Shadab has had alot of Match Winning knocks at 4. So it's not out of the realm of reasonableness for him to bat there.

Imad fancies himself as a finisher and has had alot of success at 5 and 6. It's not his fault Shoaib Malik can't bat consistently at 4 yet is still in the KK set-up.

You need to back up your number with Data. As the rankings currently contradict what you're saying.

 

[shamaan]

Why are you so selective in your opinions [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]?

Babar and Rizwan are both respectively top of the T20 Rankings.

Shadab has had alot of Match Winning knocks at 4. So it's not out of the realm of reasonableness for him to bat there.

Imad fancies himself as a finisher and has had alot of success at 5 and 6. It's not his fault Shoaib Malik can't bat consistently at 4 yet is still in the KK set-up.

You need to back up your number with Data. As the rankings currently contradict what you're saying.

It wasn't selective its constructive criticism on all the captains not just one.

 

[SM1989]

You missed an important one, Karachi Kings misusing their power and droppedSharjeel, one of the most destructive batter of 21st century.

They started winning a couple of matches after dropping him.

 

[Saj]

You have to realise that most of the captains are in with the owners and team management.

They are basically boys clubs where they watch each others backs.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You missed an important one, Karachi Kings misusing their power and droppedSharjeel, one of the most destructive batter of 21st century.

The next Brendon McCullum...if he ever makes it to the starting eleven that is.

 

[ads101]

1. As long as Babar continues to be an opener in international T20s, it is natural for him to want to play as opener in PSL. I think he should step down to 3 but understand his reluctance to.

2. Rizwan is performing well as opener. Multan would want him to open. He would do worse middle order. If someone else opened, they probably wouldn't do as well as him. The guys batting mid order, are perfectly suited to middle order. I don't think that's misuse at all, he's doing what's the best interest for his team.

3. I did think this, but he's batting above the big hit or miss players like Asif, Azam, Faheem. So coming in there might be justified and he's done well in the past.

4. Imad is doing very well, and probably more used to coming in lower down. Not his fault the rest aren't performing. He could come up, but the main problem is the rest failing. If he's comfortable at that position, I wouldn't change him.

5. Shaheen I agree with, no place to come up the order. I think he'll probably go back down the order now though.

6. Sarfraz isn't abusing power, but he needs to be batting higher up. He's arguably their best middle order batsman right now, and yet he's coming in way down the order. It's the mistake he made when he was Pakistani captain too.

 

[MenInG]

Not sure if it's misuse or just flawed judgement (from our point of views, not their's!)

No one wants to lose a game or score less, they take decisions according to their own understanding of the game and experience.

 

[daytrader]

It wasn't selective its constructive criticism on all the captains not just one.

Except the criticism for Imad is shed in a positive light compared to the others. He's criticized for not coming up the order while others are criticized for the opposite. Basically trying to equivalate Imad with actual top order batters.

Also forgot to criticize Imad for hiding while bowling and being selfish to get overs in after a wicket

 

[Rana]

Except the criticism for Imad is shed in a positive light compared to the others. He's criticized for not coming up the order while others are criticized for the opposite. Basically trying to equivalate Imad with actual top order batters.

Also forgot to criticize Imad for hiding while bowling and being selfish to get overs in after a wicket

How is Imad being selfish knowing he will get taken down for 25+ in the overs he is apparently hiding to bowl?

There are some phases/match ups in which spinners just down bowl regardless

 

[daytrader]

How is Imad being selfish knowing he will get taken down for 25+ in the overs he is apparently hiding to bowl?

There are some phases/match ups in which spinners just down bowl regardless

Don't get me wrong, I think it's admirable of him if he's intentionally not bowling knowing that he'll be taken to the cleaner. Takes a special kind of brave to realize you're the weak link.

My issue is that he knows his limitations yet still tries to get through his overs when it's not necessary. For example he had PZ on the back foot but was worried about completing his own quota hence why they couldn't execute the kill

 

[Saj]

Strange logic from some:

Criticising players who are performing with the bat.

But not criticising those brave men who promote themselves up the order but aren't performing with the bat.

 

[Rana]

Why are you so selective in your opinions [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]?

Babar and Rizwan are both respectively top of the T20 Rankings.

Shadab has had alot of Match Winning knocks at 4. So it's not out of the realm of reasonableness for him to bat there.

Imad fancies himself as a finisher and has had alot of success at 5 and 6. It's not his fault Shoaib Malik can't bat consistently at 4 yet is still in the KK set-up.

You need to back up your number with Data. As the rankings currently contradict what you're saying.

Rankings are flawed. We’ve established that

 

[shamaan]

Except the criticism for Imad is shed in a positive light compared to the others. He's criticized for not coming up the order while others are criticized for the opposite. Basically trying to equivalate Imad with actual top order batters.

Also forgot to criticize Imad for hiding while bowling and being selfish to get overs in after a wicket

whilst he himself hides at number 5 or 6 this isn't positive in this instance.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's admirable of him if he's intentionally not bowling knowing that he'll be taken to the cleaner. Takes a special kind of brave to realize you're the weak link.

My issue is that he knows his limitations yet still tries to get through his overs when it's not necessary. For example he had PZ on the back foot but was worried about completing his own quota hence why they couldn't execute the kill

Interestingly Imad gets a lot of leeway from these guys.

He was 18 off 16 today at one point, but cashed in at the end. Similar to how Rizwan cashes in. Yet one will be considered aggressive by the likes of the OP and the other selfish.

 

[Saj]

whilst he himself hides at number 5 or 6 this isn't positive in this instance.

Hiding by being the 2nd highest runscorer in PSL8.

Hiding at number 5 and scoring 92 off 54 balls.

He's hardly batted in the top 5 throughout his career. By doing this now, isn't hiding.

 

[moghul]

Babar has no business playing T20 cricket

Saheen at best is a # 10 tailender and his coming ahead of so many batters was the most ridiculous act by any captain in this PSL session .

Imad is coming at the right #, criticism on him is not justified.

Sarfraz has been trying different things and batting orders for himself to stay relevant.

Shadab is not an allrounder , he is a #7-8 batter .

 

[gazza619]

I guess Sarfaraz is misusing his power by playing

He is a very nice, soft, humble human being though. Also recites naat beautifully.

That is good enough to qualify as captain in this era

 

[Rana]

Once again, Rizwan botched another powerplay with 23 off 18

He then sent in a tailender at number 3 to hit sixes because he and Shan are incapable to hit sixes at will. This is statistically proven with their balls per six ratio!

He then blamed the way the team batted ‘post powerplay overs’ during the middle phase but not how him and Shan batted during the powerplay

I’m telling you this man has been given too much power for what he is worth!

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Once again, Rizwan botched another powerplay with 23 off 18

He then sent in a tailender at number 3 to hit sixes because he and Shan are incapable to hit sixes at will. This is statistically proven with their balls per six ratio!

He then blamed the way the team batted ‘post powerplay overs’ during the middle phase but not how him and Shan batted during the powerplay

I’m telling you this man has been given too much power for what he is worth!

Look, I’ve commented elsewhere on Rizzy’s innings being unacceptable, but you’ve falsely misrepresented what he said.

He said that “we as a team need to kick on between overs 7-11”. That includes himself as well. The PP would have looked ok IF Rizwan went hyper aggressive from overs 7-11. He didn’t and he failed.

What would you rather he say? “ I’m a terrible player.”

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Thanks for this thread. When i noticed the batting lineups i noticed it too. I didn't mentioned it because i didn't wanted the trolling of fans. Babar, Rizwan are following Pak national team strategy. They have kept powerplay for themselves and filled the team with power hitters to makeup for their tuk tuk in death overs. Sarfraz promoted himself over Ifti chachu who is in form of his life. Imad won't promote himself because he is content playing lone not out knocks like Misbah and lose all the matches.

 

[MenInG]

Sarfaraz promoting himself. I dont have a problem with that but he better be clear about his role in this case.

 

[Saj]

Sarfaraz "I will bat wherever I want, even though I have been terrible all tournament" Ahmed.

 

[brokenrecord]

Sarfraz’s T20 batting only really fits in the powerplay. He can’t hit sixes but is good at finding gaps and going over the in-field. A bit like Babar and Rizwan at times in terms of batting order fit. But it has to be part of overall strategy and not desperation or bahaduri.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I know it's the Pakistan Super League but that doesn't mean that non-performing Pakistani skippers should bat in whatever position they want and bowl when they want <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IUvsQG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IUvsQG</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1632425352755654664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[Major]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I know it's the Pakistan Super League but that doesn't mean that non-performing Pakistani skippers should bat in whatever position they want and bowl when they want <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IUvsQG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IUvsQG</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1632425352755654664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2023</a></blockquote>
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wait, so 2 days ago when Shadab Khan didnt come out to bat and sent Faheem Ashraf dueo the left arm and right arm combination, at that time it was said that Shadab was hiding himself. Today he comes to bat in the middle order
and he is still criticized..

So no matter what a particular player may do, he will be criticized.

 

[MenInG]

wait, so 2 days ago when Shadab Khan didnt come out to bat and sent Faheem Ashraf dueo the left arm and right arm combination, at that time it was said that Shadab was hiding himself. Today he comes to bat in the middle order
and he is still criticized..

So no matter what a particular player may do, he will be criticized.

Shadab's belief in his own batting abilities seems to supercede the actual abilities of players in his squad. He has a team - use them properly instead of over-estimating himself

 

[Saj]

wait, so 2 days ago when Shadab Khan didnt come out to bat and sent Faheem Ashraf dueo the left arm and right arm combination, at that time it was said that Shadab was hiding himself. Today he comes to bat in the middle order
and he is still criticized..

So no matter what a particular player may do, he will be criticized.

Go and check his stats this PSL with the bat - runs, strike rate and average. After you have absorbed that, go and check his batting positions this PSL and then come back.

 

[Major]

Go and check his stats this PSL with the bat - runs, strike rate and average. After you have absorbed that, go and check his batting positions this PSL and then come back.

again, you criticized him by saying HE WAS HIDING DOWN THE ORDER. And when he comes to bat in the middle order than again you criticize.

Hence, no matter what Shadab will do you will criticize him.

 

[Saj]

again, you criticized him by saying HE WAS HIDING DOWN THE ORDER. And when he comes to bat in the middle order than again you criticize.

Hence, no matter what Shadab will do you will criticize him.

i think you have problems understanding what is actually being written.

Many of us are saying and have been saying he is batting too high up the IU order. He is NOT a number 4.

Now the match is over, go and check his stats this PSL with the bat - runs, strike rate and average. After you have absorbed that, go and check his batting positions this PSL and then come back.

 

[moghul]

Sarfraz is the worst abuser of his power as captain , he is in awful form but vatting at #3. Umar Akmal has not been in great form , but if you're playing him, send up the order .

 

[ads101]

I think Shadab is batting in the right position. He is a capable batsman as shown in previous PSL. He is even doing much better in internationals, he average 46 in 2021 and 20 in 2022.

At four he can lay the foundation for the rest. It's not like he can't score quick.

The guys below him like Asif Ali, Faheem even Azam, you want them to be in situations where they can hit out. Not really innings builders. Hence it is fine Shadab up at 4. You could even argue Shadab has to play at four, as while Islamabad has the hitters down the order, the order is a little brittle, it can collapse quite easily.

I think it was wrong to play players like Iftikhar below Shadab. But these sort of hitter players do fine lower down. You could argue Azam but then again you don't really want him in the middle overs taking singles building an innings situation anyway.

 

[moghul]

Shadab's batting technique is not better than a # 7-8 batter, not even an all rounder . He can't play a pull or hook shot .

 

[ArabKnight]

Another display of power misuse by Shaheen Afridi.

He promoted himself to #6 and entered at the fifth over to try to do something he had no business doing—chasing 208.

He managed to a score a slow 52 off 36 and lost the match for the LQ.

 

[Rana]

Shaheen also took a review at the end of the innings knowing Powell had edged it, and just walked back to his bowling mark

The guy isn’t just an abuser of power, he is an absolute juvenile!

 

[MenInG]

Shaheen Shah Afridi is still learning - but he has all the hallmarks of a good leader who wishes to lead from the front.

 

[MenInG]

Shaheen Shah Afridi seems to be in awe of his own batting - wonder if he will be promoted up the order?

 

[gazza619]

Shaheen Shah Afridi seems to be in awe of his own batting - wonder if he will be promoted up the order?

His batting has been very surprising this year. Not very consistent but he can surely win a game or two in the World Cup.

He can be sent as a surprise pinch hitter at 5 or 6.

 

[Rana]

You see how this misuse of power by 5-6 individuals has totally destroyed Pakistan cricket

-Babar Azam misusing his authority to hog an opening spot where he has no business in T20s

-Mohammad Rizwan always opening the batting and everyone else who is technically equipped to open either bats every now and then with him in the opening spot, or bats at 3 or 4!

-Shan Masood exposed massively at KK! Removed a proper left handed opener in Sharjeel to open himself and embarrass himself! Not allowing the local talent to play for KK in Muhammad Akhlaq who is a much better T20 player than he is!

-Shadab Khan using his power to bat in top 4! Absolute trash batsman at international level! He has no business batting before number 7!

-Shaheen Afridi walking in to bat at number 5 sometimes, seems like it was an agreement through his management agency that he can slot in the top 5 with Babar+Rizwan opening, Fakhar at 3, Shadab 4 and Shaheen at 5!

You can all see how these extremely selfish players have lead Pakistan to a point of no return!

 

[Rana]

I don't think any of them are misusing their power.

Why didn’t the selfless opening pair of Pakistan not come out to face Natravalker in the super over??

 

[Rana]

Once again, Rizwan botched another powerplay with 23 off 18

He then sent in a tailender at number 3 to hit sixes because he and Shan are incapable to hit sixes at will. This is statistically proven with their balls per six ratio!

He then blamed the way the team batted ‘post powerplay overs’ during the middle phase but not how him and Shan batted during the powerplay

I’m telling you this man has been given too much power for what he is worth!

@mominsaigol @topspin @Dr_Bassim @RyanRyan10 @TheSultan @CerebralPatriot

Boys when will the people of Pakistan wake up?

 

[Rana]

I think Shadab is batting in the right position. He is a capable batsman as shown in previous PSL. He is even doing much better in internationals, he average 46 in 2021 and 20 in 2022.

Are you sure about this now?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why didn’t the selfless opening pair of Pakistan not come out to face Natravalker in the super over??

Acknowledgement they aren't good enough to hit bowlers for quick runs.

 

[shaz619]

Acknowledgement they aren't good enough to hit bowlers for quick runs.

It was similar to southgate sending cold players to take penalties in the euros. They can’t score quick, but against that opponent, were warm, Babar had spent the most time at the crease but chickened out, Ifti struggled to time the ball during his innings against dibbly dobbly English style club bowlers and they basically set Unc up and put his life in danger. It made no sense to send Ifti there and that too at the strikers end, he faced 4 deliveries in a friggin super over. It shocks me that people still defend Babar after he committed the most heinous of crimes before the public and on live TV.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It was similar to southgate sending cold players to take penalties in the euros. They can’t score quick, but against that opponent, were warm, Babar had spent the most time at the crease but chickened out, Ifti struggled to time the ball during his innings against dibbly dobbly English style club bowlers and they basically set Unc up and put his life in danger. It made no sense to send Ifti there and that too at the strikers end, he faced 4 deliveries in a friggin super over. It shocks me that people still defend Babar after he committed the most heinous of crimes before the public and on live TV.

It made sense to send Fakhar and Chacha. They are the only two hitters in Pakistan team.


But after the way Amir sent down the worst superover in cricket history they made some major errors.

Fakhar should have been on strike and the next in line should not have been Shadab Khan. When Chacha got out the game was all but over. Babar should have put his own neck on the line and tried to get the team home at this point.

However at the start I was more comfortable with Chacha and Fakhar....and that says a lot about Babar and Rizwans abilities.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol @topspin @Dr_Bassim @RyanRyan10 @TheSultan @CerebralPatriot

Boys when will the people of Pakistan wake up?

I just wish to know why people want him as captain.

Even if he was a good batsmen like Travis head, captaincy is a different ball game.

This man can't read drs, nor does he have any idea on how team combination settings which sarfraz and YK are able to understand.

Rizzu has no clue on what to send at which no? Nor can he handle captaincy pressure since his keeping is usually gun but it deteriorates like Wildfire as soon as the team is under pressure.

He doesn't even know how to lead since he plays a blame game, and people don't gell under him.

He's worse then Babar at captaincy by every metric with the exception of field settings since at least he's decent when it comes to field placements.

But team gelling, team combination, Player motivation, Pressure handling, reading the game, he's clueless?

 

[mominsaigol]

It made sense to send Fakhar and Chacha. They are the only two hitters in Pakistan team.


But after the way Amir sent down the worst superover in cricket history they made some major errors.

Fakhar should have been on strike and the next in line should not have been Shadab Khan. When Chacha got out the game was all but over. Babar should have put his own neck on the line and tried to get the team home at this point.

However at the start I was more comfortable with Chacha and Fakhar....and that says a lot about Babar and Rizwans abilities.

In odi usually your openers may or may not represent you in SO's as you need a mix of accumulators + Strikers. The goal of the top order in odi is not to go bang bamg but lay a solid platform for the middle order. Typically their expected to either bat through or bat atleast 35 overs.

In t20 you send your most aggressive players at opening because the goal to attack and make use to the easiest 6 overs.

Chacha and fakhar do not open for t20, so why are they opening SO?

As for amir, He bowled trash, but babar's captaincy is 100X worse. Naseem was your best bowler in that game. Unless you have a reputation like Bumrah where he's not the best bowler for that game but you still trust him more then anyone else,

Naseem should have been sent to bowl ahead. Bobby can't read the game at all.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In odi usually your openers may or may not represent you in SO's as you need a mix of accumulators + Strikers. The goal of the top order in odi is not to go bang bamg but lay a solid platform for the middle order. Typically their expected to either bat through or bat atleast 35 overs.

In t20 you send your most aggressive players at opening because the goal to attack and make use to the easiest 6 overs.

Chacha and fakhar do not open for t20, so why are they opening SO?

As for amir, He bowled trash, but babar's captaincy is 100X worse. Naseem was your best bowler in that game. Unless you have a reputation like Bumrah where he's not the best bowler for that game but you still trust him more then anyone else,

Naseem should have been sent to bowl ahead. Bobby can't read the game at all.

You are Pakistan coach. That is your available players. Who you send out to bat?

If it's not Fakhar and Chacha who is it?

We all know you will make excuses for Amir but that's not the thread topic

 

[shaz619]

It made sense to send Fakhar and Chacha. They are the only two hitters in Pakistan team.


But after the way Amir sent down the worst superover in cricket history they made some major errors.

Fakhar should have been on strike and the next in line should not have been Shadab Khan. When Chacha got out the game was all but over. Babar should have put his own neck on the line and tried to get the team home at this point.

However at the start I was more comfortable with Chacha and Fakhar....and that says a lot about Babar and Rizwans abilities.

Fakhar can smash, Chacha smashing is a folklore myth and you don’t pick a player who struggles during the match no matter who you are and worse sending him on strike over your A lister. Honestly in that moment I felt Babar should have taken the initiative because of the time he had spent at the wicket and beyond that it’s the right thing to do when he opens the batting in the PP, I find it strange that fans defend him opening for Pakistan and then at the same time not playing in the super over, like what are we saying, that he should open and it’s acceptable not to maximise the PP, it doesn’t make sense. But beyond that, as you said he should have taken the initiative but we both know he’s a coward.

 

[Rana]

You are Pakistan coach. That is your available players. Who you send out to bat?

If it's not Fakhar and Chacha who is it?

We all know you will make excuses for Amir but that's not the thread topic

If I were Pakistan coach, I would have Babar and Rizwan wasting the powerplay for me in the first place.

 

[mominsaigol]

You are Pakistan coach. That is your available players. Who you send out to bat?

If it's not Fakhar and Chacha who is it?

We all know you will make excuses for Amir but that's not the thread topic

If I'm Gary kristen then it doesn't even matter who I send out? Who on earth will listen to me?

Did anyone listen to Mickey Arthur?

Anyway I just wanted to say that to demonstrate how useless a coach is under bobby, but to answer your question,

Babar would be sent because he was the highest scorer that game even if it was a crapola innings of 44 of 43, I'd send him because this would be a way to improve his confidence and an opportunity for him to show the world of his no 3 King status in t20.

Then I'd send Fakhar at no 2 and Azam I'd have to risk it at no 3 due to sr.

I'm not sending chacha if that's what you want to hear. His own sr is worse then the openers lol.

As for amir, theirs no excuse, let me ask you this, You are coach for pakistan, who do you send to bowl in the super over? Your best bowler of the day who troubled usa and brought the game back when USA were steamrolling us heading off to a 9 wicket win,

Or amir, Shaheen and rauf who bowled poorly throught the game?

 

[mominsaigol]

If I'm Gary kristen then it doesn't even matter who I send out? Who on earth will listen to me?

Did anyone listen to Mickey Arthur?

Anyway I just wanted to say that to demonstrate how useless a coach is under bobby, but to answer your question,

Babar would be sent because he was the highest scorer that game even if it was a crapola innings of 44 of 43, I'd send him because this would be a way to improve his confidence and an opportunity for him to show the world of his no 3 King status in t20.

Then I'd send Fakhar at no 2 and Azam I'd have to risk it at no 3 due to sr.

I'm not sending chacha if that's what you want to hear. His own sr is worse then the openers lol.

As for amir, theirs no excuse, let me ask you this, You are coach for pakistan, who do you send to bowl in the super over? Your best bowler of the day who troubled usa and brought the game back when USA were steamrolling us heading off to a 9 wicket win,

Or amir, Shaheen and rauf who bowled poorly throught the game?

@DeadlyVenom Another reason I'd send bobby and fakhar (Fakhar takes strike) is because it was these 2 that smacked NZ with bobby just giving fakhar strike,

So at the very least not only would falhar be more confident with bobby on strike as historically he functions better when no 1 and no 3 are on strike then the MO being on,

But also because Babar would give strike whole chacha would hog it like he did.

Babar's coward mentality wouldn't let him take strike but Chacha's ego and belief on being famous as a finisher had him take strike first.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fakhar can smash, Chacha smashing is a folklore myth and you don’t pick a player who struggles during the match no matter who you are and worse sending him on strike over your A lister. Honestly in that moment I felt Babar should have taken the initiative because of the time he had spent at the wicket and beyond that it’s the right thing to do when he opens the batting in the PP, I find it strange that fans defend him opening for Pakistan and then at the same time not playing in the super over, like what are we saying, that he should open and it’s acceptable not to maximise the PP, it doesn’t make sense. But beyond that, as you said he should have taken the initiative but we both know he’s a coward.

Fakhar can smash, Chacha smashing is a folklore myth and you don’t pick a player who struggles during the match no matter who you are and worse sending him on strike over your A lister. Honestly in that moment I felt Babar should have taken the initiative because of the time he had spent at the wicket and beyond that it’s the right thing to do when he opens the batting in the PP, I find it strange that fans defend him opening for Pakistan and then at the same time not playing in the super over, like what are we saying, that he should open and it’s acceptable not to maximise the PP, it doesn’t make sense. But beyond that, as you said he should have taken the initiative but we both know he’s a coward.

Yeah it's a lack of leadership and cowardice.

Btw I don't defend him opening in the PP. He should have upped his game a long time ago but chose to score as a snails pace. I genuinely do think he is capable of hitting better but he doesn't seem to want to even try.

During the super over especially when Chacha got outHe should have came up with a "oh twadi " attitude and showed why he has the nickname king babar. Sitting in the dugout was cowardice and in an ideal world it would be the death knell for rizbar in T20 as an opening duo.

 

[ads101]

Are you sure about this now?

Nothing much has changed he’s still doing well in PSL as a batsman. As a player in general too.

It’s a shame he hasn’t made the step up in internationals. And he’s probably not good enough for that.

But for IU, he’s doing fine in that position. And guys like Faheem, Azam (and Iftikhar before), or even Imad. I’m still not sure they’d be better off batting in front of him.

 

[TheSultan]

It made sense to send Fakhar and Chacha. They are the only two hitters in Pakistan team.


But after the way Amir sent down the worst superover in cricket history they made some major errors.

Fakhar should have been on strike and the next in line should not have been Shadab Khan. When Chacha got out the game was all but over. Babar should have put his own neck on the line and tried to get the team home at this point.

However at the start I was more comfortable with Chacha and Fakhar....and that says a lot about Babar and Rizwans abilities.

No way did it make sense to send chacha and have him face of all things. Even kids know that Chacha takes an age to “get his eye in”. He has to play out his dot balls before he gets going. It’s not even a secret or requires much research!

Fakhar should have been facing and any out of babar, Usman or even Shaheen or Naseem to the other end to do the running between wickets.

To not only send chacha and also to have him face was one of the dumbest things anyone could have done.

But then Babar is captain unfantastic for a reason!

 

[TheSultan]

@mominsaigol @topspin @Dr_Bassim @RyanRyan10 @TheSultan @CerebralPatriot

Boys when will the people of Pakistan wake up?

Both Rizwan and Babar always point to the over 6-10 “ve did not capitalise”

Usual attempt to hoodwink the public. Unfortunately too many people love to be hoodwinked.

Blaming the middle overs or the middle order is their lifeline

 

[Rana]

Not sure how much more we can highlight this issue. I am strongly becoming sick and tired of appointing the so called best players of the team as captains and then watching them totally misuse the power to their own benefit, and not caring at all about the team

1. Babar Azam stubbornly holding on to an opening spot in T20s. Realistically he has no business playing this format let alone hold onto this batting position with his clear lack of aggressive intent

2. Rizwan hogging a powerplay spot as an opener to play his pathetic 16 off 15 balls every time in the powerplay because he knows how useless he is having to bat in a middle order position

3. Shadab Khan with no natural batting technique or psychology playing in a key batting position such as number 4

4. Imad Wasim knowing he is in the best form of his life and watching players like Malik always making a mess of the team momentum at number 4, whilst he himself hides at number 5 or 6

5. Shaheen Afridi out of the blue batting at 6 just because he tonks a few in the nets


When will the PCB learn and make sure they do not appoint selfish players as captains?

Nothing has changed really.

Now people have an issue with Saud.

He’s only doing what the captains before him have been doing, and are still doing.

 

[Vikram1989]

What exactly

Nothing has changed really.

Now people have an issue with Saud.

He’s only doing what the captains before him have been doing, and are still doing.

What exactly the coaches and other foreign players are doing.even in ipl, all the time we see dissent and player's accusations (or commies) about the management tactics.

 

[Rana]

What exactly
What exactly the coaches and other foreign players are doing.even in ipl, all the time we see dissent and player's accusations (or commies) about the management tactics.

They are all happily picking up a free paycheque

No need to change according to them. Everyone is getting rich either way.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nothing has changed really.

Now people have an issue with Saud.

He’s only doing what the captains before him have been doing, and are still doing.

Saud is probably the worst. He's buried a young lad who scored a T20 Century at a >200SR at number 7. While batting worse than Rizwan and Babar ever have.


All of the other captains have been selfish but he has taken it up a notch.

 

[Rana]

Saud is probably the worst. He's buried a young lad who scored a T20 Century at a >200SR at number 7. While batting worse than Rizwan and Babar ever have.


All of the other captains have been selfish but he has taken it up a notch.

Saud still gets away because he is a left hander, and his sr in his first season as an opener was 140. He isn’t a natural 125 sr anchor opener. Unlike guys such as Babar and Rizwan who are intentionally not attacking in the powerplay or are too scared to go aerial.

Babar and Rizwan are a completely different level of selfish!

At least the QG management are not restricting themselves by ensuring they have a world class T20 opener in their ranks every year, and on top of it they are ensuring that world class opener is in the side as the opener.

LQ and PZ have gone a completely different direction. They are too worried to even sign players of that level because they don’t even want the headache of Rizwan or Babar being asked to step down the order!

 

[zaidihusain]

Saud is probably the worst. He's buried a young lad who scored a T20 Century at a >200SR at number 7. While batting worse than Rizwan and Babar ever have.


All of the other captains have been selfish but he has taken it up a notch.

Saud is at fault, but I don't blame him as this kind of precedence was set by Babar & Rizwan for years and years, Saud is just following them. This pathetic culture of putting interest of individual player above team should be demolished somehow.

 

[Rana]

Saud is at fault, but I don't blame him as this kind of precedence was set by Babar & Rizwan for years and years, Saud is just following them. This pathetic culture of putting interest of individual player above team should be demolished somehow.

This is correct

The only way Saud still looks better is that he is a left handed and you need that to disrupt early left arm swing or spin tactics of the opposition.

 

[Barragan]

Nothing much has changed....

Rizwan should at bat 3 if he wants to play anchor and let the others go after it in the PP

 

[Rana]

Nothing much has changed....

Rizwan should at bat 3 if he wants to play anchor and let the others go after it in the PP

The risk of coming in after the powerplay….

How will this drama queen become the main character if he does that?