The Pakistan Test side needs an identity - Play on seaming tracks and build around that

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan test side needs a reset. The batters shouldn’t be allowed to stat pad on graveyards and play out boring series losses. They are driving away fans.
Play on seaming tracks in first class cricket and build a side around your pace attack. Fans will be ok with initial losses, but this directionless home strategy is clearly not working.

 

[Savak]

Seaming track is the way to go for Pakistan. That is how we beat SA in 2021 when they had the likes of Rabada, Nortje and Ngidi along with Maharaj

 

[Energy]

Seaming track is the way to go for Pakistan. That is how we beat SA in 2021 when they had the likes of Rabada, Nortje and Ngidi along with Maharaj

We beat SA because we had an in-form Hassan and above all, Yasir Shah had a good series.

We are severely depleted in the bowling now. No Shaheen, Hassan, Yasir. And now relying on seasoned veteran spinners who lack zip and T20 fast bowlers to carry the bowling. It hasn't worked and won't work in the short term unfortunately.

The proven domestic performers, Saud had a good match and we know is a batter for the long run. Ali also looks like a good bowler too and will be hard to score off on classic Pakistan domestic wickets, not this trash that was laid out.

It is bizarre that Abrar was not selected. Was a shocking call.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

We beat SA because we had an in-form Hassan and above all, Yasir Shah had a good series.

We are severely depleted in the bowling now. No Shaheen, Hassan, Yasir. And now relying on seasoned veteran spinners who lack zip and T20 fast bowlers to carry the bowling. It hasn't worked and won't work in the short term unfortunately.

The proven domestic performers, Saud had a good match and we know is a batter for the long run. Ali also looks like a good bowler too and will be hard to score off on classic Pakistan domestic wickets, not this trash that was laid out.

It is bizarre that Abrar was not selected. Was a shocking call.

Zahid ahead of Abrar was a shocking call.

Misbahs logic of cricket is what Babar follows , he needs a refresh

 

[shariqnoor]

Never should Pakistan ever create seaming tracks in domestic cricket. There is nothing wrong in the pitches for first-class cricket as of now.

We've seen this experiment of green tops in domestic cricket and the results were horrendous. Teams were getting bowled for 100 runs and matches finishing in less than 2 days. Seaming tracks create trundlers who have to do nothing to earn their wickets while batsmen don't get to develop concentration levels on batting long and hard.

If seaming tracks have to be prepared, they must be prepared at the international level. Like the pitch one had at Rawalpindi against SA or against India in Lahore in 2004.

Right now Pakistan's worst department is bowling so you have to give them the most cushion. The problem with them is neither do they have fast bowlers better than England nor do they have a spinner that is better than Leach. But given England's batting, Pakistan should still err on the side of spin and look to get them out through that method.

 

[daytrader]

Zahid ahead of Abrar was a shocking call.

Misbahs logic of cricket is what Babar follows , he needs a refresh

But but Mickey developed Babar l

 

[daytrader]

Zahid ahead of Abrar was a shocking call.

Misbahs logic of cricket is what Babar follows , he needs a refresh

But but Mickey developed Babar

 

[Zaz]

It just needs an identity and a captain and coach that can follow n think out of the box

The think tank is clueless at the moment and reactive rather proactive They need the boot

I mean we were on the backfoot the whole test match since day 1 and we are playing at home

Sort the pitches out Dont need to do anything crazy We just need something that offers a little bit more pace bounce n spin

Pick players who have character who arent bottlers who are up for a scrap and lets play on the front foot

Azhars dead weight Get him dropped Pick the new spinner and lets change our approach

Get in the oppositions faces We are playing at home lets act like it

 

[Bewal Express]

Play on good wickets with bounce and play with a positive mindset. Other countries fear our bowlers, we fear the bowlers of other countries. The truth as always in the middle but our shorter bowlers are made to look like total numpties in these low bouncing wickets.

 

[shamaan]

Play on good wickets with bounce and play with a positive mindset. Other countries fear our bowlers, we fear the bowlers of other countries. The truth as always in the middle but our shorter bowlers are made to look like total numpties in these low bouncing wickets.

No one will fear this attack that they played in the first test

 

[Bewal Express]

No one will fear this attack that they played in the first test

Short memories-2 out of 3 pacers were handful on bouncier tracks only 2 weeks ago.

 

[shamaan]

Short memories-2 out of 3 pacers were handful on bouncier tracks only 2 weeks ago.

Are your comparing a t20 game to a test match.Do you know how many overs Rauf bowled lol.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Zahid ahead of Abrar was a shocking call.

Misbahs logic of cricket is what Babar follows , he needs a refresh

Misbah was perhaps the greatest tactician in Pakistan's test history when it comes to spin bowling ( in Asia).

Ajmal, Abdul Rehman and Yasir all flourished under Misbah. He set the ideal fields for them and told them how to bowl tight plans.

It has become common on this forum to blame Misbah for everything, but lets not rewrite history to suit our own biases.

Misbah spun England and Australia out many times in the UAE.

 

[ethan hunt]

Never should Pakistan ever create seaming tracks in domestic cricket. There is nothing wrong in the pitches for first-class cricket as of now.

We've seen this experiment of green tops in domestic cricket and the results were horrendous. Teams were getting bowled for 100 runs and matches finishing in less than 2 days. Seaming tracks create trundlers who have to do nothing to earn their wickets while batsmen don't get to develop concentration levels on batting long and hard.

If seaming tracks have to be prepared, they must be prepared at the international level. Like the pitch one had at Rawalpindi against SA or against India in Lahore in 2004.

Right now Pakistan's worst department is bowling so you have to give them the most cushion. The problem with them is neither do they have fast bowlers better than England nor do they have a spinner that is better than Leach. But given England's batting, Pakistan should still err on the side of spin and look to get them out through that method.

Those were underprepared wickets. They werent even proper cricketing wickets. Good wickets should suffice.

 

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan beat southafrica on good wickets where seamers took wickets. There is enough fast bowling talent in pakistan to ho down that route.

 

[Bewal Express]

Are your comparing a t20 game to a test match.Do you know how many overs Rauf bowled lol.

Are you saying that guys that can move the ball at pace in T20 cant do so in Tests on decent wickets.

 

[PakHammer]

Misbah was perhaps the greatest tactician in Pakistan's test history when it comes to spin bowling ( in Asia).

Ajmal, Abdul Rehman and Yasir all flourished under Misbah. He set the ideal fields for them and told them how to bowl tight plans.

It has become common on this forum to blame Misbah for everything, but lets not rewrite history to suit our own biases.

Misbah spun England and Australia out many times in the UAE.

Yeah Misbah won at 'home' away from home. I am fearing when we will beat the likes of Australia and England in a test series again at home and you can forget about away. That's the sad state of our test cricket under this think tank.

 

[Fenrir]

Pakistan needs to make good pitches in domestic cricket.By good pitches I mean pitches which are not completely flat,rank turners or too difficult for batting.There should be something for bowlers and batters.The Edgbaston pitch in England is a good example.It provides equal assistance to bowlers and batters.I know it may be difficult to make such a pitch due to climate,soil etc but PCB hasn’t even tried.Curators from England or Australia should be hired to create good pitches.They may not succeed 100% but pitches will a lot better than what we have now.The standard of cricket will improve.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Misbah was perhaps the greatest tactician in Pakistan's test history when it comes to spin bowling ( in Asia).

Ajmal, Abdul Rehman and Yasir all flourished under Misbah. He set the ideal fields for them and told them how to bowl tight plans.

It has become common on this forum to blame Misbah for everything, but lets not rewrite history to suit our own biases.

Misbah spun England and Australia out many times in the UAE.

MISBAH had a logic of giving opportunity 30-35 yr old youngster ahead of a 20 yr old player. Im sure he had that just to vent his own late opportunity to represent the country in the top format... I was refering to that.

Waseem jr is with the team for a long while now , also who can swing the ball both ways is made to warm the bench because they got to debut the trundling 30 yr old youngster Mohammed Ali before him..

Same logic goes with Abrar

 

[ask_analyse_act]

But but Mickey developed Babar

Mickey nurtured Babar's talent with the bat and gave him the opportunity repeatedly even when he was failing in tests to make sure he develops and see him as the product for the future as a batsman.. MA overruled MISBAH as captain here , if it was not him BABAR would hv been dropped from test side and would hv make a comeback..

he never saw him as a captain thi... under Mickey Imad was the captain of KK and he also had given him the VC stint under Sarfraz in LOIs..

Also in his last meeting with PCB after 2019 WC , he wanted Shadab Khan as captain if they want to change Sarfraz..

 

[jeetu]

Fear of losing is weighing too much on PCB think thank. They are more focused on negating opposition's strength then playing to their strength. It demoralizes the players especially the beginners. PCB needs to create condition to maximize chances of winning. If opposition still manages to win then kudos to them.

 

[ethan hunt]

They have lost the test series and are out of the test championship.
Leave some grass on the karachi pitch. Play Naseem and Mir hamza. Start preparing for the next cycle, test the mettle of some of these young uns.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

They have lost the test series and are out of the test championship.
Leave some grass on the karachi pitch. Play Naseem and Mir hamza. Start preparing for the next cycle, test the mettle of some of these young uns.

Jimmy, Robby and Woody will complete the whitewash if they leave some grass on the pitch..

 

[BreadPakoda]

SENA teams will annihilate Pakistan on seaming tracks.

 

[ethan hunt]

Jimmy, Robby and Woody will complete the whitewash if they leave some grass on the pitch..

Doesnt matter. Look ahead and bring some excitement to your test game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You can contain English batsmen with this. But Pakistan batting can register record low scores on such pitches.

 

[ethan hunt]

SENA teams will annihilate Pakistan on seaming tracks.

Thats a myth. They might yes but Pakistan beat india in lahore in 2004 on a seaming track and karachi 2006 on another green track. They found umar gul and asif in the process. Earlier they beat southafrica on pitches that had something for fast bowlers The flat wickets brought nothing but defeat and draws.

Pakistan domestic cricket has nothing for the spinners. Home series should reflect first class conditions.

 

[ethan hunt]

You can contain English batsmen with this. But Pakistan batting can register record low scores on such pitches.

Current team has technically decent players of seam. You have to look ahead or people will lose interest in test matches. Pakistan in england is very watchable series due to the conditions.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Doesnt matter. Look ahead and bring some excitement to your test game.

That will bring humiliation to Pak and excitement only to Eng..