The primary responsibility for the plight of Muslims around the world lies with Muslim leaders, not Israelis or Islamophobes

[The Bald Eagle]

Where are the leaders of Muslim Ummah? Have they gone blind or what. Why are they not talking actions against countries like Israel? Instead, they are looking to forge ties with them.

No doubt, Muslims nations are decline around the world and the reason behind are our incompetent and cruel leaders who are dumb and numb in the face of global atrocities against Muslim.

All the strategic straits are under Muslim control, we can choke the world economy in a matter of day so why are we not utilizing these options.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

These leaders could unleash their armies for the sake of their personal humiliation but when it comes to defending the Ummah the just go blind and deaf.

MBS can kill Khashhogi, bomb Yemeni people, MBZ of UAE could chose havoc in Syria but why can't the grab Netanyahu and its war cabinet's neck for the crimes against innocent people. Simply heartwrenching.

 

[JaDed]

Their armies are dependent upon America, America and Israel are close allies..
There is only one nuclear Islamic power who could had easily threatened Israel and ended it but they are so dependent upon Zionist Banks for survival.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Their armies are dependent upon America, America and Israel are close allies..
There is only one nuclear Islamic power who could had easily threatened Israel and ended it but they are so dependent upon Zionist Banks for survival.

not to mention the guy who got the nuclear weapon program done for pakistan actively butchered Palestinians on behalf of Jordan

 

[Romali_rotti]

not to mention the guy who got the nuclear weapon program done for pakistan actively butchered Palestinians on behalf of Jordan

That's Zia ul Hag that ruthlessly murdered the Palestinians, I think it was Bhutto that got the nuclear movement happening in Pakistan if I am not wrong..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Where are the leaders of Muslim Ummah? Have they gone blind or what. Why are they not talking actions against countries like Israel? Instead, they are looking to forge ties with them.

Maybe you are right after all about the Ummah..

 

[rpant_gabba]

That's Zia ul Hag that ruthlessly murdered the Palestinians, I think it was Bhutto that got the nuclear movement happening in Pakistan if I am not wrong..

Zia got US to look the other way until it was too late

 

[BouncerGuy]

Where are the leaders of Muslim Ummah? Have they gone blind or what. Why are they not talking actions against countries like Israel? Instead, they are looking to forge ties with them.

Money talk here as well. These Muslim ( so-called Muslims TBH) will not say a word against Israel because the roots of Israel and US are everywhere, holding the economy of the world so how can a country who is taking loans from a country like US can speak against them.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

These leaders could unleash their armies for the sake of their personal humiliation but when it comes to defending the Ummah the just go blind and deaf.

MBS can kill Khashhogi, bomb Yemeni people, MBZ of UAE could chose havoc in Syria but why can't the grab Netanyahu and its war cabinet's neck for the crimes against innocent people. Simply heartwrenching.

Because the wealthy muslim countries only care about power and money, let the people go to hell.

And they are allies of the us and probably have backroom deals and trade with isreal

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because the wealthy muslim countries only care about power and money, let the people go to hell.

And they are allies of the us and probably have backroom deals and trade with isreal

Any person in the political arena has to care about power and money, the only restriction on this is some form of democracy. I don't think there are many democracies in Islamic countries, so the leaderships are by definition not representative of their people.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Their armies are dependent upon America, America and Israel are close allies..
There is only one nuclear Islamic power who could had easily threatened Israel and ended it but they are so dependent upon Zionist Banks for survival.

What you have said is bitter but hold truth to some extent. I remember after the second Islamic conference in Lahore; ZAB, Gaddafi, Shah Faisal all united and showed a willingness to form a strong Muslim Bloc to counter the other two world blocs at that time.

Unfortunately, that could never happen. Had they been successful in that then the fortunes of Muslim had been very different. And for those who think Zia backstabbed Palestinian. The thing wasn't so. Zia was a very cunning man who deep inside had plans to unite Muslim forces against western nations and also had a plan to take Kashmir back from India by backing Mujahiddens there. But US govt had an idea of it so after utilizing the services of Zia against Soviet they just screwed the poor man.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Because the wealthy muslim countries only care about power and money, let the people go to hell.

And they are allies of the us and probably have backroom deals and trade with isreal

They do have security deals and guarantees from US, especially after the Arab springs the Arab monarchs have gone bonkers. And instead of turning to Pak, Turkey or other Muslim nations for their security they have turned towards US and Israel which is pathetic and stupidity of highest order.

On money stuff, if the 56 nations could found a single consolidated banks for loans of all the Muslims then things can be very different. There is already one Islamic such bank but not the potent and willing to loan big sums.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They are mostly all puppets, those who are not will be ousted like Imran Khan.

Western civilisation is regressing badly , Europe is now a dump in many parts . Eventually power will change and so will the Zionist outpost .

Remember the Crusaders held Jerusalem longer than Israel has existed but eventually sent packing , same will happen again .

 

[Varun]

Remember the Crusaders held Jerusalem longer than Israel has existed but eventually sent packing , same will happen again .

If that's your only response, fair to say that you have no plan.

As the Hindi saying goes, "Tumse Na Ho Payega".

 

[KingKhanWC]

If that's your only response, fair to say that you have no plan.

As the Hindi saying goes, "Tumse Na Ho Payega".

Let’s leave out Hindi sayings, from a land constantly conquered & ruled over.

Only a fool would think European settlers against the will of the natives would continue their occupation & presence forever .

Stick to ipl mate

 

[Varun]

Let’s leave out Hindi sayings, from a land constantly conquered & ruled over.

Only a fool would think European settlers against the will of the natives would continue their occupation & presence forever .

Stick to ipl mate

I don't know about "forever" (nobody does), but as long as the likes of you are paying taxes to fund such occupation, it will continue.

Hence, I repeat, "Tumse Na Ho Payega". Emphasis on Tum.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

They are mostly all puppets, those who are not will be ousted like Imran Khan.

Western civilisation is regressing badly , Europe is now a dump in many parts . Eventually power will change and so will the Zionist outpost .

Remember the Crusaders held Jerusalem longer than Israel has existed but eventually sent packing , same will happen again .

Agree. It will happen. And when it does, they will know about it.

 

[RexRex]

Where are the leaders of Muslim Ummah? Have they gone blind or what. Why are they not talking actions against countries like Israel? Instead, they are looking to forge ties with them.

No doubt, Muslims nations are decline around the world and the reason behind are our incompetent and cruel leaders who are dumb and numb in the face of global atrocities against Muslim.

All the strategic straits are under Muslim control, we can choke the world economy in a matter of day so why are we not utilizing these options.

What is the Pakistan government's stance on the current happenings in Gaza ? Any public statement ?

 

[JaDed]

They are mostly all puppets, those who are not will be ousted like Imran Khan.

Western civilisation is regressing badly , Europe is now a dump in many parts . Eventually power will change and so will the Zionist outpost .

Remember the Crusaders held Jerusalem longer than Israel has existed but eventually sent packing , same will happen again .

Different times, Israel has improved exponentially due to science so has their weapons. It’s not man to man so quoting history here has no significance because West has weapons that are far ahead of Islamic nations.

 

[Varun]

The Muslim nations that matter:

KSA
Iran
Turkey

Everybody else just makes up the numbers.

Somebody like Indonesia should have way more clout than they currently do.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't know about "forever" (nobody does), but as long as the likes of you are paying taxes to fund such occupation, it will continue.

Hence, I repeat, "Tumse Na Ho Payega". Emphasis on Tum.

Tax is law . You’re also paying taxes to fund Hindu extremists & the occupation of Kashmir but that’s ok cause you watch Bollywood

 

[RexRex]

Tax is law . You’re also paying taxes to fund Hindu extremists & the occupation of Kashmir but that’s ok cause you watch Bollywood

Break the law and make your voice heard. Do a Greta Thunberg. These tiny acts of protest matter. That is what Imran Khan has done.

 

[Hitman]

Break the law and make your voice heard. Do a Greta Thunberg. These tiny acts of protest matter. That is what Imran Khan has done.

It’ll get him into trouble. The likes of him are good at providing lip service while at the same time pay tax money that is used against Palestine.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

They have just issue nominal statements and are pathetic too like Arabs. IK would have made the difference if he had been out.

What is the Pakistan government's stance on the current happenings in Gaza ? Any public statement ?

 

[Varun]

Tax is law . You’re also paying taxes to fund Hindu extremists & the occupation of Kashmir but that’s ok cause you watch Bollywood

Difference is I want the occupation of Kashmir. In other words and unlike you, "Mujhse Ho Payega".

 

[Hextro]

Tax is law . You’re also paying taxes to fund Hindu extremists & the occupation of Kashmir but that’s ok cause you watch Bollywood

Did you think that was some sort of a gotcha? The dude you're replying to is a proud extremist. He'd be happy to fund the suppression of others.

Know your audience next time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Difference is I want the occupation of Kashmir. In other words and unlike you, "Mujhse Ho Payega".

Of course you do , probably have a yogi poster above your bed & smile when seeing kids murdered & woman raped . A self proclaimed liberal Hindu Indian , we all knew was cow dung .

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Of course you do , probably have a yogi poster above your bed & smile when seeing kids murdered & woman raped . A self proclaimed liberal Hindu Indian , we all knew was cow dung .

Lol wut, the guy you quoted despises yogi and mocks him all the time. Are you running out of arguments?

 

[Varun]

Of course you do , probably have a yogi poster above your bed & smile when seeing kids murdered & woman raped . A self proclaimed liberal Hindu Indian , we all knew was cow dung .

This shall be remembered as the post where the last marble you have is considered lost.

 

[Markhor]

Where are the leaders of Muslim Ummah? Have they gone blind or what. Why are they not talking actions against countries like Israel? Instead, they are looking to forge ties with them.

No doubt, Muslims nations are decline around the world and the reason behind are our incompetent and cruel leaders who are dumb and numb in the face of global atrocities against Muslim.

All the strategic straits are under Muslim control, we can choke the world economy in a matter of day so why are we not utilizing these options.

Unfortunately the Arab nations despise Iran and the notion of sharing military, political and economic power with them in the Middle East more than they despise Israel.

We must also remember most Arab countries are ruled by unelected monarchs and despots who pay little heed to the desires of their population.

In any event, should we really expect Muslim nations to be bound together any more than say, Christian nations ? The US and Russia have been at loggerheads for decades despite sharing the same faith. France and Germany fought bloody conflicts during WW1 and WW2.

As we've seen in Pakistan's own history, religion alone isn't sufficient to bind people and governments together. We must recognise Muslim nations will pursue their own strategic interests. Azerbaijan even accepted Israeli weapons to retake Nagorno-Karabakh from Armenian separatists. Frankly, it's mainly Pakistanis have this hangup about the Ummah.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The widow of Ismail Haniyeh's son blamed Arab rulers inaction for it as she said that the Arabs need them not the other ways and she is right here and the Arabs will realize this later
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Three sons of Hamas leader Haniyeh killed in Israeli airstrike

Palestinian group Hamas' top leader, Ismail Haniyeh and Iran's Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian attend a press conference in Tehran

Three sons of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh were killed in an Israeli airstrike in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, the Palestinian Islamist group and Haniyeh's family said.
The Israeli military confirmed carrying out the attack, describing the three sons as operatives in the Hamas armed wing.

The three sons - Hazem, Amir and Mohammad - were killed when the car they were driving in was bombed in Gaza's Al-Shati camp, Hamas said. Four of Haniyeh's grandchildren, three girls and a boy, were also killed in the attack, Hamas said.

Lufthansa said it was constantly monitoring the situation in the Middle East and in close contact with authorities.

Asked about the four grandchildren killed in the airstrike, the Israeli military said there was "no information on that right now."

Haniyeh, based abroad in Qatar, has been the tough-talking face of Hamas' international diplomacy as war with Israel has raged on in Gaza, where his family home was destroyed in an Israeli airstrike back in November.

"The blood of my sons is not dearer than the blood of our people," Haniyeh, 61, who has 13 sons and daughters according to Hamas sources, told pan-Arab Al Jazeera TV.

The three sons and four grandchildren were making family visits during the first day of the Muslim Eid al-Fitr holiday in Shati, their home refugee camp in Gaza City, according to relatives.

Hamas said on Tuesday it was studying an Israeli ceasefire proposal in the more than six-month-old Gaza war but that it was "intransigent" and met none of the Palestinian demands.

"Our demands are clear and specific and we will not make concessions on them. The enemy will be delusional if it thinks that targeting my sons, at the climax of the negotiations and before the movement sends its response, will push Hamas to change its position," Haniyeh said.

In the seventh month of a war in which Israel's air and ground offensive has devastated Gaza, Hamas wants an end to Israeli military operations and a withdrawal from the enclave, and permission for displaced Palestinians to return home.

Haniyeh's eldest son confirmed in a Facebook post that his three brothers were killed. "Thanks to God who honoured us by the martyrdom of my brothers, Hazem, Amir and Mohammad and their children," wrote Abdel-Salam Haniyeh.

Appointed to the militant group's top job in 2017, Haniyeh has moved between Turkey and Qatar's capital Doha, avoiding Israeli-imposed travel restrictions in blockaded Gaza and enabling him to act as a negotiator in the latest ceasefire negotiations or communicate with Hamas' main ally Iran.

Israel regards the entire Hamas leadership as terrorists, accusing Haniyeh and other leaders of continuing to "pull the strings of the Hamas terror organisation"

But how much Haniyeh knew about the Oct. 7 cross-border attack on Israel by Gaza-based militants beforehand is not clear. The attack plan, drawn up by the Hamas military council in Gaza, was such a closely guarded secret that some Hamas officials abroad seemed shocked by its timing and scale.

Source: Reuters

 

[gani999]

They have just issue nominal statements and are pathetic too like Arabs. IK would have made the difference if he had been out.

What would have IK done, pray? Besides sending off some angry tweets, that is?
The truth is nobody in Pakistan can do anything that will have any impact on Israel. Zilch.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What would have IK done, pray? Besides sending off some angry tweets, that is?
The truth is nobody in Pakistan can do anything that will have any impact on Israel. Zilch.

He would have organized a serious OIC summit on it and may had encouraged the other to do the same ie condemnation in strictest possible terms. Ofcourse this wouldn't have been enough but still a lot better then current defeaning silence.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We must also remember most Arab countries are ruled by unelected monarchs and despots who pay little heed to the desires of their population.

In any event, should we really expect Muslim nations to be bound together any more than say, Christian nations ? The US and Russia have been at loggerheads for decades despite sharing the same faith. France and Germany fought bloody conflicts during WW1 and WW2.

As we've seen in Pakistan's own history, religion alone isn't sufficient to bind people and governments together. We must recognise Muslim nations will pursue their own strategic interests. Azerbaijan even accepted Israeli weapons to retake Nagorno-Karabakh from Armenian separatists. Frankly, it's mainly Pakistanis have this hangup about the Ummah.

I find that lots of hindus seem to have this hang up also, at least online.

 

[JattMaula]

We must also remember most Arab countries are ruled by unelected monarchs and despots who pay little heed to the desires of their population.

If the voice of population isn't being heard then the population isn't loud enough. This isn't 1600's, almost everyone in those countries is connected and informed.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

He would have organized a serious OIC summit on it and may had encouraged the other to do the same ie condemnation in strictest possible terms. Ofcourse this wouldn't have been enough but still a lot better then current defeaning silence.

How serious were those summits? What happened to the pledges they have taken in previous summits, and what action items have they taken so far?

These are just chai-biscuit-biryani outings.

 

[Markhor]

If the voice of population isn't being heard then the population isn't loud enough. This isn't 1600's, almost everyone in those countries is connected and informed.

There's been no shortage of demonstrations against the Gaza war in Arab countries, but how far can people go ?

Memories are still fresh from the Arab Spring and the untold bloodshed these cruel regimes inflicted on their own people asking for a modicum of democratic reform.

 

[shortbread]

Firstly, let's set aside the call for arms against facists, anglosphere etc.. etc... The Arabs cannot come around and sit on a table and agree on anything. If Hamas and Hezbollah take instructions from Iran, how does Saudi bear the responsibility of retaliation? The rich arabs conveniently provide lip service and little else. To become any sort of a power they need to negotiate and find peace among themselves, before even thinking of taking on others.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

We’ve failed to understand Quaid-e-Azam’s anti-Israel ideology, Not understanding Jinnah’s vision is actually disloyalty to Pakistan’s ideology, says JUI-F chief Fazal ur Rehman

Chief of his own faction of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F), Maulana Fazlur Rehman, has criticised the government's policies and said that there is no region in the world under the name of Israel historically, but there are talks in Islamabad of recognising it.

While addressing the National Palestine Conference held in Lahore on Wednesday, Fazl expressed solidarity in Arabic language with the Palestinian leaders attending the conference.

He said that the name of Israel is not found anywhere in history, adding that the Jews were settled under the support of Great Britain with a conspiracy. Pakistan was not established when the resolution for the establishment of Israel was approved, he said.

Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that “we did not even understand the anti-Israel ideology of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, which is a disloyalty to the Pakistan ideology”.

“Surprisingly, there is not a state named Israel nor its location is defined, and here we are taking about recognising it,” he added.

Referring to the 1967 UN resolutions, he said that these are yet to be implemented. The UN actually justifies Israel’s defence as the Muslim World is reluctant. “Israel occupied the Golan heights. There was bipolar power balance before the Soviet Union’s invasion to Afghanistan and as a result the power balance was disturbed,” he remarked.

Fazl said Al-Aqsa mosque belongs to the whole Muslim world and “we are also ready to die for the protection of Holy places in Saudi Arabia”.

The JUI-F chief also criticised the government, saying that where is the government of Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif? He raised a question mentioning Captain Safdar. “Did he [Safdar] scold us or his in-laws? Go and scold those who are in power,” he said.

He also came down hard on the US and Europe for being involved in war crimes.

“Unite States is a killer of human rights and the first in the history to use nuclear weapons… it is also involved in human rights violations at Abu Ghuraib jail,” he said while exposing the human rights claims of the US.

Fazl said that Iraq was doomed and oppressed. “Saddam Hussain is still alive… those who killed him are dead today,” he remarked.

He appreciated the role of South Africa for bringing the Gaza issue to the International Court of Justice.

“Hamas has actually launched the war to liberate the Palestine and the whole world is recognising this stance,” he said.

Source: The Express Tribune

 

[guard]

The Muslim nations that matter:

KSA
Iran
Turkey

Everybody else just makes up the numbers.

Somebody like Indonesia should have way more clout than they currently do.

Pakistan matters, in the sense of possession of Nuclear Weapons. Surely should count for something, if only the leadership and kingmakers had backbone, scruples and real, genuine patriotism.

 

[JaDed]

Pakistan matters, in the sense of possession of Nuclear Weapons. Surely should count for something, if only the leadership and kingmakers had backbone, scruples and real, genuine patriotism.

With that economy one cannot have a backbone.
Pakistan has gone to IMF almost record # of times.
Does it have potential, yes.

 

[guard]

With that economy one cannot have a backbone.
Pakistan has gone to IMF almost record # of times.
Does it have potential, yes.

Pakistan is now finished as a nation. it is a zombie vassal state of US, Saudi,China and IMF.

The Potential it had is currently incarcerated and subsequent ‘potentials’ will follow the same route.

Very depressing.

 

[JaDed]

Pakistan is now finished as a nation. it is a zombie vassal state of US, Saudi,China and IMF.

The Potential it had is currently incarcerated and subsequent ‘potentials’ will follow the same route.

Very depressing.

That’s not how citizens should ever see their country’s future ,pendulum always swings, I was just pointing out the current situation and decision making issues not future one.
Majority Pakistanis are aware about the situation esp the ones with children out of school.

 

[guard]

That’s not how citizens should ever see their country’s future ,pendulum always swings, I was just pointing out the current situation and decision making issues not future one.
Majority Pakistanis are aware about the situation esp the ones with children out of school.

Since inception what has the nation achieved. There have been many outstanding individuals who were disgustingly discarded, i wont go into reasons, everyone knows why.
You make good points, unfortunately in this part of the world, you will be laughed out of the room. Look at turbodiesel power molvi, that is the mindset and mentality of most of the common man. Corrupt, conniving. Anyway, sorry to derail.

 

[Champ_Pal]

KSA is trying to become a progressive country hard and the Pakistani posters here want KSA to support Hamas(Funded and supported by Iran) and Islamic Brotherhood. KSA very well know the grand plan of Iran. MBS is a pretty smart man.

KSA will not support any of these Terrorist outfits in middle east as long as MBS is in power. He will be in power for a long time considering he is only 38.

 

[BouncerGuy]

KSA is becoming more and more liberal with all those cinemas and pubs opening in different areas there. Not just KSA, UAE also. Most of the arab nations are swaying away from Islamic country banner. It is just a hoax now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

KSA is trying to become a progressive country hard and the Pakistani posters here want KSA to support Hamas(Funded and supported by Iran) and Islamic Brotherhood. KSA very well know the grand plan of Iran. MBS is a pretty smart man.

KSA will not support any of these Terrorist outfits in middle east as long as MBS is in power. He will be in power for a long time considering he is only 38.

What has Pakistani posters got to do with what they are doing in Saudi Arabia?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The real accomplices behind Gaza massacre
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MBS' Alleged Pro-Israel Bias As Saudi Arabia Cracks Down On Gaza War​

Saudi Arabia has increased arrests of citizens for social media posts linked to the Gaza war, indicating a tough stance on critics of Israel. The number of people arrested since October 7 is unknown. Saudi and Israel were in talks for a potential neutralization deal until October 7, but the talks were halted after Hamas attacked Israel and the subsequent Gaza war. There has been a significant increase in prison population due to the online clampdown.

Source: Times of India

 

[FearlessRoar]

The real accomplices behind Gaza massacre
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MBS' Alleged Pro-Israel Bias As Saudi Arabia Cracks Down On Gaza War​

Saudi Arabia has increased arrests of citizens for social media posts linked to the Gaza war, indicating a tough stance on critics of Israel. The number of people arrested since October 7 is unknown. Saudi and Israel were in talks for a potential neutralization deal until October 7, but the talks were halted after Hamas attacked Israel and the subsequent Gaza war. There has been a significant increase in prison population due to the online clampdown.

Source: Times of India

That's absurd, and I am not surprised. Their policy has always been softened for Israel

 

[Champ_Pal]

What has Pakistani posters got to do with what they are doing in Saudi Arabia?

They want KSA to take tough stance against Israel. Which means cut off diplomatic ties with them.

 

[HalBass9]

They want KSA to take tough stance against Israel. Which means cut off diplomatic ties with them.

Yea! not just Pakistani but many Arab Muslims wanted to take tough stand against Israel for committing Genocide just as Brazil and South America.

Brazil, South America and Columbia are progressive countries.
Brazil, South America and Columbia does not support any terrorist groups.
A country does not have to normalize relations with country that has normalize a Genocide to be progressive.

Probably a difficult concept to comprehend for someone who has an Indian background

 

[Champ_Pal]

Yea! not just Pakistani but many Arab Muslims wanted to take tough stand against Israel for committing Genocide just as Brazil and South America.

Brazil, South America and Columbia are progressive countries.
Brazil, South America and Columbia does not support any terrorist groups.
A country does not have to normalize relations with country that has normalize a Genocide to be progressive.

Probably a difficult concept to comprehend for someone who has an Indian background

Everyone knows the truth about Hamas and Palestine more than Arab leadership.

 

[HalBass9]

Everyone knows the truth about Hamas and Palestine more than Arab leadership.

Weak reply, expected better from someone who usually try to give elementary judgement on other culture and country with such over confidence.

What is the truth about Palestine that South Africa, Brazil, Columbia, Turkey and the rest of the global south ( except majority of Indians) has missed. Please explain.

Thanks

 

[Champ_Pal]

Weak reply, expected better from someone who usually try to give elementary judgement on other culture and country with such over confidence.

What is the truth about Palestine that South Africa, Brazil, Columbia, Turkey and the rest of the global south ( except majority of Indians) has missed. Please explain.

Thanks

Arabs know the truth about Hamas more than People sitting thousands of miles away.
Truth is, Hamas wants total destruction of Jewish state. If they ever achieve that, their next target will be countries like KSA and UAE.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The strongest Muslim countries right now are the only ones atm that are in some sort of position to take a stand against Israel and its atrocities but they love the sweet money and their lavish lifestyle and won't want to do anything that has the potential to hurt their money, lifestyle etc. The whole Gulf is content with enjoying sweet oil money and making solar cities etc. The ones that have been used in wars are in extremely poor state currently (Afghanistan). They are unable to sort out their respective countries yet. Unless the rich countries use their money and power to support the likes of Afg etc (which they won't), I don't see Israel cutting back its atrocities. They'll be doing it without any hint of fear.

I expect decades of development before any Muslim country is able to stand up for itself and other Muslim countries against the Big Bloc.

 

[HalBass9]

Arabs know the truth about Hamas more than People sitting thousands of miles away.
Truth is, Hamas wants total destruction of Jewish state. If they ever achieve that, their next target will be countries like KSA and UAE.

Geopolitical truth can't be arbitrary, it is fact based which is based within the realm of reality. Hamas is neither capable of destroying Jewish state nor Arab countries.

I am sure you have heard that "truth" in whatever media you have been following but let's not pretend to be in elementary school.

 

[HalBass9]

Arabs know the truth about Hamas more than People sitting thousands of miles away.
Truth is, Hamas wants total destruction of Jewish state. If they ever achieve that, their next target will be countries like KSA and UAE.

Another point that you have evaded, why do Arab countries have to normalize relation with Israel for them to be accepted as Progressive nation by 'you'?

Why aren't Brazil, South Africa and Columbia progressive anymore?

Thanks

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The strongest Muslim countries right now are the only ones atm that are in some sort of position to take a stand against Israel and its atrocities but they love the sweet money and their lavish lifestyle and won't want to do anything that has the potential to hurt their money, lifestyle etc. The whole Gulf is content with enjoying sweet oil money and making solar cities etc. The ones that have been used in wars are in extremely poor state currently (Afghanistan). They are unable to sort out their respective countries yet. Unless the rich countries use their money and power to support the likes of Afg etc (which they won't), I don't see Israel cutting back its atrocities. They'll be doing it without any hint of fear.

I expect decades of development before any Muslim country is able to stand up for itself and other Muslim countries against the Big Bloc.

A tragedy for all these so called "custodian of holy sites" leaders. Even a slightest effort in the BDS direction pinches Israel to a great extent.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

A tragedy for all these so called "custodian of holy sites" leaders. Even a slightest effort in the BDS direction pinches Israel to a great extent.

And Israel-Palestine dispute is going to remain till the end.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

And Israel-Palestine dispute is going to remain till the end.

Yep until the day Muslims will conquer them eventually after killing the false messiah.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Pakistan, Iran strongly condemn Israeli aggression against Palestinian people​

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar Tuesday received the Foreign Minister of Iran Seyed Abbas Araghchi and his delegation at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The two Ministers noted the longstanding ties between Pakistan and Iran and emphasized the need to strengthen these relations through increased trade, energy cooperation and enhanced border management.

They expressed commitment to exploring avenues of enhancing trade, investment and people to people contacts

Deputy Prime Minister Dar and Foreign Minister Aragachi also discussed the situation in the Middle East. They strongly condemned Israeli aggression against Palestinians and expressed their common resolved in supporting the inalienable right to self determination of the Palestinian people.

Dar, Araqchi discuss Middle East tensions

Both leaders engaged in comprehensive discussions regarding the escalating crisis in the Middle East.

Dar condemned the recent Israeli military aggression, describing it as a serious violation of Iran's sovereignty and a blatant disregard for international norms. He emphasized the urgent need for an immediate ceasefire and dialogue to alleviate tensions in the region.

During the meeting, both leaders addressed the ongoing denial of the right to self-determination for Palestinians and stressed the necessity of resolving long-standing conflicts in Palestine and Kashmir through peaceful means, aligned with United Nations resolutions.

Dar reiterated Pakistan's commitment to supporting the Palestinian cause and called for international solidarity against acts of genocide and illegal actions.

Araqchi reciprocated the sentiments, expressing gratitude for Pakistan's hospitality and commending its strong stance on the Palestine issue.

He condemned the Israeli aggression in Gaza and Beirut, asserting that collective efforts are essential to halt these atrocities.

The Iranian Foreign Minister noted that the United Nations has failed to effectively address the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Palestine.

In addition to geopolitical issues, the two officials discussed enhancing cooperation in border management, trade, and energy sectors, recognizing that terrorism poses a common challenge for both nations and explored opportunities for promoting religious tourism between Pakistan and Iran

Source: Dawn News

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They want KSA to take tough stance against Israel. Which means cut off diplomatic ties with them.

I don't think anyone from Saudi Arabia reads posts here. Maybe some Indian posters can email the Saudis as per Pakistani poster wishes.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I don't think anyone from Saudi Arabia reads posts here. Maybe some Indian posters can email the Saudis as per Pakistani poster wishes.

That is the problem.

It is the duty of Muslims from around the world to put pressure on Saudis. I am sure MBS will bow down with enough pressure on him by Brit Pakistanis. They seem to be the most vocal Muslims who highlight the sufferings of Palestinians and Muslims around the world.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is the problem.

It is the duty of Muslims from around the world to put pressure on Saudis. I am sure MBS will bow down with enough pressure on him by Brit Pakistanis. They seem to be the most vocal Muslims who highlight the sufferings of Palestinians and Muslims around the world.

Brit Pakistanis are like Indian ex-pats who pipe up most vocally on here. They make plenty of noise just like Indians living in USA or Australia, but how relevant are they to the actual Muslim world? Us guys are just commentators living in general western affluence. Islamic problems for for the Muslim world to sort out ultimately.