The REAL streak: Pakistan has lost 8 out of 8 ODIs in the last one year (top sides)

[Hawkeye]

Lots of wild celebrations over the T20 streak.

But let's talk about some real cricket. Pakistan has played 8* matches against the top 5 sides in the last one year.

We have lost all of them!

NZ:

Loss
Loss
Loss
Loss
Loss

IND:

Loss
Loss

NZ:
Loss (current match).


And what are we doing? Celebrating how good was the "fight back" and we didn't lose so badly.





Surely it's time to do some accountability?

Knowing PCB, probably not. Mickey Arthur and Sarfraz will continue to chest thump over T20 victories.

Either Mickey or Sarfraz needs to be changed, bring someone who can lead from the front and make bold decisions.

 

[Chokli]

Bangladesh is a top side......

We have lost 9 out 9.

 

[Hawkeye]

Bangladesh is a top side......

We have lost 9 out 9.

I did not include Bangla to ease some of the pain.

You had to rub salt on the wounds, didn't you?

 

[Chokli]

I did not include Bangla to ease some of the pain.

You had to rub salt on the wounds, didn't you?

Sorry yaar.

But it is a cause for concern.

We're decent in Tests, great in T20... But in ODIS we're horrible.

 

[ipl_fan]

Doesn't matter as long as you keep winning T20s

 

[MenInG]

Lots of wild celebrations over the T20 streak.

But let's talk about some real cricket. Pakistan has played 8* matches against the top 5 sides in the last one year.

We have lost all of them!

NZ:

Loss
Loss
Loss
Loss
Loss

IND:

Loss
Loss

NZ:
Loss (current match).


And what are we doing? Celebrating how good was the "fight back" and we didn't lose so badly.





Surely it's time to do some accountability?

Knowing PCB, probably not. Mickey Arthur and Sarfraz will continue to chest thump over T20 victories.

Either Mickey or Sarfraz needs to be changed, bring someone who can lead from the front and make bold decisions.

Why is the the REAL Streak? Jo dil mai atta hai yaha log kehtay hain

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 12 completed ODIs against New Zealand:<br><br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1060242765995536384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Chokli]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 12 completed ODIs against New Zealand:<br><br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1060242765995536384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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That's going to hurt our H2H against them, overall H2H.

 

[Hawkeye]

Why is the the REAL Streak? Jo dil mai atta hai yaha log kehtay hain

ODIs hold far, far more importance than T20s...

Can judge a team's quality. T20s don't tell anything.

 

[leg-side-flick]

This PAK ODI side has lots of bits and pieces players who get found out quickly, dependence on Zaman in batting and a middle order which is dependable but slow.... So on my opinion it needs some changes before WC.

Just to add Indian team has totally opposite shortcomings, it doesn't have a single batsman who can Bowl and also has a wobbly middle order and a passenger wicket keeper...

May be we should exchange a few players, we will both do better

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pakistan is a minnows as well.

We have done well against minnows.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Can somebody please start a 'Hassan Ali performance watch thread' Hassan Ali is going from Bad to Worse taking no wickets and going for plenty of Runs. At least Mohd Amir contained the oppositon. I think Mohd Amir is better than Hassan Ali. And should be back in the Test squad ahead of Hassan. Plus Mohd Amir Could prove to be more of a threat in Middle Overs behind Shaheen and Junaid in One dayers.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan look a very ordinary one day team at the moment.

The batting is a real concern and the minute they come up against anyone half-decent, they struggle.

Too many all-rounders and bits and pieces players perhaps is the issue.

 

[CricketDon]

Best minnow bashing xi in the world. I think we should arrange a tri series with every single minnow nation and have a year long series.

Just so some of the posters can bang on about another pointless streak that means nothing. Also instead of commercials run the finals of the champions trophy.

Pakistan need to drop Hafeez and malik and terminate their contract. I’ve been saying this for so long. Neither can face pace and neither can bat in foreign conditions. Unless it’s a road and part time spinners bowl.

Why should personal land marks such as playing a World Cup be ahead of the team? Everyone knows they both just want to play the World Cup and retire. It’s ridiculous.

Drop them both and bring in haris and Umar Akmal and bring back the wrongfully banned sharjeel. Who was dropped on no evidence.

Sharjeel/ Fakhar (deepening on conditions)
Imam (For now)
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Umar Akmal (Someone who can bat and can actually hit the ball on command.
Imad
Shadab
Afridi
Junaid/Rumaan
Amir(can’t lesve him out in a World Cup in UK)

An actual side who make the team on merit. Can play their position in a specialist manner and a secondary role. Two all rounders. Two/three dynamic batsman who can bat and add firepower and flair. Pace battery that’s the best in the world in the UK. Shadab with some leg spin.

Instead we have a great grandad xi playing for themselves with no regard for the future. Something needs to be done.

Sack grant as the batting coach and write a fat check to a Indian batting coach and change the batting culture. Alongside following their advice and change the batting culture from bottom top for the future generations. If the top players follow such a culture change then so will the young kids who are next in line to play for Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan's only wins in ODIs in 2018:

5 against Zimbabwe
1 versus Hong Kong
1 versus Afghanistan (only just)

 

[cricketindiafan]

Fakar Zaman, Babar Azam and Hasan Ali - these three have to be at their best for Pakistan to do better in ODIs. At the moment all three are having a quieter time, too soon to call them as being found out though. Others just haven’t stood up.

 

[RyanRyan10]

This PAK ODI side has lots of bits and pieces players who get found out quickly, dependence on Zaman in batting and a middle order which is dependable but slow.... So on my opinion it needs some changes before WC.

Just to add Indian team has totally opposite shortcomings, it doesn't have a single batsman who can Bowl and also has a wobbly middle order and a passenger wicket keeper...

May be we should exchange a few players, we will both do better

Better to play those who are good in one department than these bits & pieces who can't make an impact in either department
Other than Shadab Khan(who can be picked as 2nd spinner & no.8 bat) I don't think any of their "allrounders" would add any value to our side

 

[Usman Chadda]

It's a massive cause for concern, because one or both of our best two batsman have completely failed to show up in these 9 games. Both are a part of our top three.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Yeah there's a lot of areas that Pakistan need to address before the WC'19. Need to fix the middle order and lower order and need to get rid of bits and pieces players.

 

[ManFan]

Top-order failed as usual.

Happy for Boult but Rosco was off character today.

 

[Hawkeye]

This PAK ODI side has lots of bits and pieces players who get found out quickly, dependence on Zaman in batting and a middle order which is dependable but slow.... So on my opinion it needs some changes before WC.

Just to add Indian team has totally opposite shortcomings, it doesn't have a single batsman who can Bowl and also has a wobbly middle order and a passenger wicket keeper...

May be we should exchange a few players, we will both do better

Pakistan look a very ordinary one day team at the moment.

The batting is a real concern and the minute they come up against anyone half-decent, they struggle.

Too many all-rounders and bits and pieces players perhaps is the issue.

I agree.

Too much emphasis on the likes of Imad, Shadab, Faheem.

They are indeed nothing but glorified tail-enders with the bat. We can't expect them to pull us out of difficult batting situations.

Mickey and Sarfraz have a wrong strategy.

Also agree with [MENTION=147696]CricketDon[/MENTION] . Bring back Umar Akmal for a change. Won't do any worse, but will have the potential to change the game with his batting.

 

[Caved12]

Totally unacceptable! We just can't bat against good teams!

 

[Usman Chadda]

These bring back Umar Akmal posts are cringe-worthy and reeks of agenda based posting. How about bring in someone like Saud Shakeel, who has performed better than UA in List A cricket?

 

[Rana]

They need to approach ODI in the same way as they approach T20. Its the way England transformed into an ODI monster side. They have one accumulator (Root) and all others are T20 specialists.

Pakistan need one accumulator (Babar) and 6 pure T20 batsman in their side.

1. Fakhar
2. Asif Ali
3. Hafeez
4. Umar Akmal
5. Sohaib Maqsood
6. Shoaib Malik

Work with these 7 batsmen,

 

[leg-side-flick]

Better to play those who are good in one department than these bits & pieces who can't make an impact in either department
Other than Shadab Khan(who can be picked as 2nd spinner & no.8 bat) I don't think any of their "allrounders" would add any value to our side

In our current ODI team, Shoaib Malik might get a entry

 

[Hawkeye]

Our batting ends at no. 4.

After that we have:

Malik
Sarfraz
Imad
Shadab
Hasan Ali
Shaheen
Junaid


Really? You will expect these people to bat for us and chase or set big totals?

Appalling.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Too many average cricketers in this team. Some are proven TTF against decent opposition but they seem to have a permanent "get out of jail" card.

Make the odi into a team of specialists.... the real problem has been the inability to chase scores around 250 at UAE... which is just criminal. If your best specialists can't chase 250 in UAE, then the sad reality is that there is no batting talent in FC left.

 

[Haripotter]

This is a better streak to follow than t20 .

 

[Hawkeye]

These bring back Umar Akmal posts are cringe-worthy and reeks of agenda based posting. How about bring in someone like Saud Shakeel, who has performed better than UA in List A cricket?

It's not mutually exclusive.

Both Saud and Umar should be in the team. Trust me, Umar will do 10x better than Sarfraz, Shadab, Imad. At his worst? As bad as them.

What's there to lose for us? Look at his domestic List A form man.

 

[MMHS]

There are 5 all-rounders playing today - Hafeez, Malik, Imad, Shadab, and the super duper all-rounder Sarfraz. May be this will work against lower quality opponents (simply because these all-rounders' individual skills are better than most of the specialists for weaker teams - i. e., Shadab probably better bat or Malik better bowler than many ZIM players, or Sarfraz can make that SRL team simply as batsman).

But, these half cooked skills won't work against better teams with better individuals. Cricket still is a team game, where the sum of individual is the core strength of team. By better tactics or picking right players for a tactical formation, a soccer (or NFL) team can beat better opponents on the day, but in cricket, the battle is always between 2 individuals - one bowler bowls at a time & batsman bats against him. Cricket is one team game, where among 22 players, one individual can win a game, even series alone; which is impossible in any other team game. Bring Messi for BD team, we'll lose to France by may be 16-1, instead of 18-0; Messi can indeed dribble past the full French line to score once, then they'll waste Kante to block him, which should reduce 18 to 16 over 90 minutes!!!!

Unless this all-round syndrome is cured (& have to say, this is a "bimari" of English cricket, from players to coach to commis, analyst, blogger .......), don't see PAK doing well in ODIs which is much more tactical than Test and you need lot more fundamental skills than T20.

And, by now everyone should realize that, at the end of the day, Amir is the best among what is there available to take the new ball.

 

[leg-side-flick]

I agree.

Too much emphasis on the likes of Imad, Shadab, Faheem.

They are indeed nothing but glorified tail-enders with the bat. We can't expect them to pull us out of difficult batting situations.

Mickey and Sarfraz have a wrong strategy.

Also agree with [MENTION=147696]CricketDon[/MENTION] . Bring back Umar Akmal for a change. Won't do any worse, but will have the potential to change the game with his batting.

Only one out of Malik and Hafeez should play.

Also drop Imad and play a batsman

 

[Pakprideuk]

Azhar Ali must be having a laugh privately. Played against tough opposition, performed well and was dropped after 2 failures. Others came in, bashed ZIM and are now struggling badly in home conditions. Wonder what will happen abroad.

 

[Manager101]

Nice way of degrading Pakistan's T20 record even though both are different formats.

 

[Caved12]

These bring back Umar Akmal posts are cringe-worthy and reeks of agenda based posting. How about bring in someone like Saud Shakeel, who has performed better than UA in List A cricket?

Agreed! Haris sohail is another batsman, who should never be dropped from Odis. Technically solid and can easily rotate the strike.

 

[Usman Chadda]

It's not mutually exclusive.

Both Saud and Umar should be in the team. Trust me, Umar will do 10x better than Sarfraz, Shadab, Imad. At his worst? As bad as them.

What's there to lose for us? Look at his domestic List A form man.

What form? Where are the hundreds? He is still the same flat footed slogger, who looks like he is constipated whenever a SLA dismisses him with a run-of-the-mill delivery. Drop Imam, get Babar to open, push Hafeez to one-down and get Saud to bat at number 4.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

It's not mutually exclusive.

Both Saud and Umar should be in the team. Trust me, Umar will do 10x better than Sarfraz, Shadab, Imad. At his worst? As bad as them.

What's there to lose for us? Look at his domestic List A form man.

Umar would do better? wake up from your delusion mate. I can picture him getting out cutting a spinner or holing out 20 yards within the boundary at deep midwicket.... aside from the fact that he has a cancerous attitude.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

 

[Hawkeye]

Agreed! Haris sohail is another batsman, who should never be dropped from Odis. Technically solid and can easily rotate the strike.

Babar, Haris, Saud can form our batting's "core".

The "traditional" batsmen.

We can't have more accumulators, we need more specialist batsmen who are dynamic and can take the attack to the opposition.

Name me batsmen who can do that. No, it's not Fakhar.

Next? Who else?

 

[IAJ]

Rubbish performances over a long periode of time now. Pakistan used to play well against Kiwis but now they have become their bunny. Playing well in the shortest format and being hammered in longer format is a sign of a minnow lol. But let's hope for better times in sha Allah.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Babar, Haris, Saud can form our batting's "core".

The "traditional" batsmen.

We can't have more accumulators, we need more specialist batsmen who are dynamic and can take the attack to the opposition.

Name me batsmen who can do that. No, it's not Fakhar.

Next? Who else?

It's certainly not Umar Akmal. He's neither dynamic nor does he take the attack to anyone. The last few years he played for Pakistan, his stats had horrible reading. And he hasn't done jack to prove that he has changed.

 

[Markhor]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

 

[Syed1]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

That Bobby average tho....



One would have thought after the pathetic Asia Cup our selection committee would have had some sense to try out some new batsmen, instead they reselect Hafeez.


Inzi the best selector in our history

 

[Saj]

Playing lots of all-rounders is high risk.

If it works, it's great but more often than not if you are picking all-rounders, your batting will come up short and that is what is happening with the Pakistan ODI team at the moment.

They are relying on mainly bowling all-rounders to bail them out of trouble.

 

[PakPremi]

Pak were jolted by a hat trick up front (unucky one since shadab's triple was claimed to be lucky one). Fought back well led by much maligned Sarfraz. So bit early to start a post mortem for this series. They may lose 3 nothing or even win 2 -1. So before abusing players support them. There are no Kohli waiting in wings.

 

[Caved12]

Babar, Haris, Saud can form our batting's "core".

The "traditional" batsmen.

We can't have more accumulators, we need more specialist batsmen who are dynamic and can take the attack to the opposition.

Name me batsmen who can do that. No, it's not Fakhar.

Next? Who else?

Umar is supremely talented, but what can you do when he continues to shoot himself in the foot. Cricket is a mental game and even today, with out mediocre talent, we could have won this game on this pitch and in these conditions if we were able to absorb some pressure after that hat-trick from Boult, but we almost always throw in the towel and refuse to show any character.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

That is pretty shocking reading. This order has to change....

Not by inclusion of the akmals, as some delusional fans seem to be suggesting.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan has become NZ punching bag now.

 

[Hawkeye]

It's certainly not Umar Akmal. He's neither dynamic nor does he take the attack to anyone. The last few years he played for Pakistan, his stats had horrible reading. And he hasn't done jack to prove that he has changed.

Let's agree for a moment.

Name me alternatives. We need 3 dynamic batsmen, once Babar, Saud, Haris are selected as the core.

So.. who are those 3 batsmen who will complete our top 6?

 

[Amjid Javed]

No shock in yet another defeat. Players like hafeez/malik were rubbish 8-10 years ago and now are back bone of the batting its pathetic. Bits and piece plsyers galore in side and dinning out on CT win, nothing has been learnt since last few shambolic world cups in terms of building a decent ODI side.

 

[Syed1]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

Heck even if our top 6 all average 25 at SR of 70, that means on an average day we would be 150/6 after 36 overs. With a possibility of adding atleast a 100 more in the last 14 overs. Even that is not happening. Truly dire straits.

 

[Hawkeye]

Umar is supremely talented, but what can you do when he continues to shoot himself in the foot. Cricket is a mental game and even today, with out mediocre talent, we could have won this game on this pitch and in these conditions if we were able to absorb some pressure after that hat-trick from Boult, but we almost always throw in the towel and refuse to show any character.

Ok, let's dump Umar.

But we need someone. Top 6 needs to be pure batsmen, with at least 3 of them being dynamic and able to attack too.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

That Bobby average tho....



One would have thought after the pathetic Asia Cup our selection committee would have had some sense to try out some new batsmen, instead they reselect Hafeez.


Inzi the best selector in our history

Do you reckon Inzi bothers to even follow first class cricket? Considering how he was plucked from a very fledgling first class career into the team by IK. You would have thought he more than anyone would be keeping an eye out for emerging talent.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Playing lots of all-rounders is high risk.

If it works, it's great but more often than not if you are picking all-rounders, your batting will come up short and that is what is happening with the Pakistan ODI team at the moment.

They are relying on mainly bowling all-rounders to bail them out of trouble.

If you think about it, Pak had roughly the same team and were winning last year including champions trophy, but two things are exposing this shoddy batting line up

1) Fakhar Zaman is not scoring

2) Hasan Ali is not taking wickets and that's making them
chase par scores instead of sub par ones that they are used to

 

[Hawkeye]

Heck even if our top 6 all average 25 at SR of 70, that means on an average day we would be 150/6 after 36 overs. With a possibility of adding atleast a 100 more in the last 14 overs. Even that is not happening. Truly dire straits.

When are you going to actually call out our captain as well?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

I am an Indian but the OP is bit extra critical of Pak. They are not that bad a side.

 

[Syed1]

When are you going to actually call out our captain as well?

I have called him out plenty of times, but today he wasn't the problem. I don't have an agenda like you folks to target players just because you don't like them irrespective of performance.

 

[Saj]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

Interesting but not surprising stats.

Against the weaker teams these guys are champions this year in ODIs, against anyone half-decent they look clueless.

 

[Caved12]

Ok, let's dump Umar.

But we need someone. Top 6 needs to be pure batsmen, with at least 3 of them being dynamic and able to attack too.

Totally agree with that! Let's wait for Sharjeel

 

[PakPremi]

I have called him out plenty of times, but today he wasn't the problem. I don't have an agenda like you folks to target players just because you don't like them irrespective of performance.

Agree . Sarfraz has mostly performed well in keeping in the test series T20 and today. He has made quite fewi mportant contributions with bat.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

When are you going to actually call out our captain as well?

Sarfraz isn't responsible for being 70/5 inside 20 overs.

 

[Darkrai]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

Those are mighty fine averages.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I am an Indian but the OP is bit extra critical of Pak. They are not that bad a side.

He's actually being generous by not including the loss against BD in Asia Cup.

 

[Titan24]

Some big steps are needed to be taken. Malik and Hafeez need to go, I know they can play a good innings or two but I guess its time.

Hassan needs time off

 

[Markhor]

Interesting but not surprising stats.

Against the weaker teams these guys are champions this year in ODIs, against anyone half-decent they look clueless.

If I included our matches against Zimbabwe C, Hong Kong and Afghanistan, then Fakhar Zaman's average shoots up to 65@97 and Imam's goes to 59@84.

However Babar's record remains poor (30@77), as does Malik's (33@74) and Sarfraz's (25@78).

Our minnow bashing this year has disguised the reality of our mediocre batting against good bowling attacks.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I am an Indian but the OP is bit extra critical of Pak. They are not that bad a side.

Though i think op is a cool guy but he has a habit of making dramatic self hating agenda driven threads without ever providing any solution or having patience.

Yes we are poor in odis in 2018 and batting is a major concern...

I hope OP and the likes of him start enjoy watching matches and take it as a sport rather than praying for Pakistan to lose always so that they can score some points on an internet forum...

 

[Titan24]

What do we expect when we persist with a top six that must be amongst the worst in the world. Let's go through them one by one - against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Not a single average above 35 or SR 85 and above. And we're expecting this top six to take us through to the semi-finals of the World Cup next year ?

It's time to take a look at our best domestic one day batsmen and start afresh before Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi's averages are boosted this winter in South Africa.

I will stick with Fakhar, Imam and Babar, will make babar open though. Malik and Hafeez need to go while Sarfaraz is the captain so nothing much can be done other than changing him but we don't have any other option as well.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Let's agree for a moment.

Name me alternatives. We need 3 dynamic batsmen, once Babar, Saud, Haris are selected as the core.

So.. who are those 3 batsmen who will complete our top 6?

Saud is dynamic and plays at a healthy SR. If you're talking about an international level dynamic batter, then unfortunately we haven't developed one. Hafeez in good form is the closest we have to a dynamic batsman

 

[Titan24]

I don't know if Haris, Saud, Umar, Maqsood etc can be solution but would rather loose with them knowing they might improve rather than Malik or Hafeez who are in the twilight of their careers

 

[Buffet]

against non-minnows in 2018:

Fakhar averages 26@74
Imam averages 26@69
Babar averages 9.77@52
Malik averages 28@65
Hafeez averages 24@80
Sarfraz averages 25@76

Can you share the same stats against minnows?

 

[Titan24]

Its not because of lack of dynamic batsmen we are loosing, its because of lack of basic batsmen ship in ODI's.

You don't need to be dynamic to score at a S/R of 80. If your top 4,5 can play with that SR till 35-40 overs you will be scoring around 200 in 40 overs which is what teams are doing.

Ross Taylor or others around him didn't do anything dynamic, yes when batsmen bat for 45-47 overs tail can sometimes hit few at the end. But expecting tail to chase 100 odd runs isn't gonna happen.

 

[Markhor]

Can you share the same stats against minnows?

In 2018 in ODIs against teams ranked 10th and below (Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Zimbabwe):

Fakhar averages 134@108
Imam averages 87@89
Babar averages 94@91
Malik averages 50@109
Sarfraz averages 27@100
Hafeez didn't play against any of these sides.

We put a reserve Zimbabwe team to the sword in the summer but it papered over the cracks.

 

[TeamPak95]

Honestly, to me it just seems like a complete drought in confidence (much like in the Asia Cup) and that the team isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Confident vs minnow teams and fearful vs big teams, hence results like this. If this is the case then Pakistan seriously need to sort this out as we play tough competition pre-WC. Personally, I'll reserve a full judgment on the team post series before going bananas.

 

[Buffet]

In 2018 in ODIs against teams ranked 10th and below (Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Zimbabwe):

Fakhar averages 134@108
Imam averages 87@89
Babar averages 94@91
Malik averages 50@109
Sarfraz averages 27@100
Hafeez didn't play against any of these sides.

We put a reserve Zimbabwe team to the sword in the summer but it papered over the cracks.

Thanks.

For exactly this reason, posters should see aggregate stats with some context, otherwise it can be very misleading.

 

[light]

I would honestly have to say that the ZIM tour did more harm than any good for PAK team. It made both fans/players alike think that the pakistani players are world beaters in ODI. Beating a zim team, already weak, black and blue and inflating their own personal average. When put up against quality team, hell even BD beat pakistan badly. Next time pak plays zim, send b team. Not the A team.

 

[Titan24]

Honestly, to me it just seems like a complete drought in confidence (much like in the Asia Cup) and that the team isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Confident vs minnow teams and fearful vs big teams, hence results like this. If this is the case then Pakistan seriously need to sort this out as we play tough competition pre-WC. Personally, I'll reserve a full judgment on the team post series before going bananas.

Totally. But, its been sometime, what ever shell they are in they need to get out of it soon

 

[the_outsider]

In 2018 in ODIs against teams ranked 10th and below (Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Zimbabwe):

Fakhar averages 134@108
Imam averages 87@89
Babar averages 94@91
Malik averages 50@109
Sarfraz averages 27@100
Hafeez didn't play against any of these sides.

We put a reserve Zimbabwe team to the sword in the summer but it papered over the cracks.

The only positive to take out of this is that Sarfraz is not a minnowbasher.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Whole batting is dependant on fakhar firing early on, imam scores but at snails pace. A pathetic middle ordee of poor team basher and two TFFs, followed by passenger captain and no lower order hits.

No structure to team so what do u expect?

 

[RyanRyan10]

The only positive to take out of this is that Sarfraz is not a minnowbasher.

Good one

 

[RainMan_]

Over the top reaction from Hawkeye as usual. NZ is one of the best ODI teams in the world right now. Yes, Pakistan have lost 9 odis in a row but except the match against Bangladesh all of those matches were played against teams who r at no1 and no 2 position in ICC odi ranking.

 

[RyanRyan10]

In our current ODI team, Shoaib Malik might get a entry

He is horrible against pace bowling
And hardly bowls nowadays

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan look a very ordinary one day team at the moment.

The batting is a real concern and the minute they come up against anyone half-decent, they struggle.

Too many all-rounders and bits and pieces players perhaps is the issue.

Issues start at the top four. We have imam and hafeez in our top 4