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Gone down to #7 in ATP Ranking...​


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So it's over for the King of The Tennis Court...​

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In the era of Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro , Murray , ferrer .. Federer being the oldest is his hard to keep up to the same level. None the less he has achieved a lot during his career
 
Age has come up with Fedex... 2 more years should do it for him

None soever he was a class, and elegant to watch him during his peak even though I am not his fan..

His style of play and shots can only be matched to the Legend Sampras
 
Greatest player of all time without a doubt.

Nadal isn't even close to him.
 
He Is 32 years now so age is catching up .. he is a legend..,i think he should retire now..its nadal time to step up and lead the tennis world...
 
Haroon Javed said:
He Is 32 years now so age is catching up .. he is a legend..,i think he should retire now..its nadal time to step up and lead the tennis world...
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Only if all grand slams are played on clay :yk
 
Tennis is a young man's sport. Agassi won his last major aged 32 and a half but other than that no one older than 31 has won a major in the last 40 years.

Age has caught up with Roger and he's now an unforced error machine.
 
He will be back don't worry. Just needs to start using the 98 square-inch racket head
 
HazTheGreenKnightRises said:
Then .. Fedex can't be called as a Legend.. He is just a good player on Grass and average player on hard court....:hafeez.
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Federer has won 9 grand slams on hard court. Most players struggle to win a total of 9 grand slams across all surfaces.

Average hard court player? nice joke.

Nadal has 4 grand slams apart from French Opens.

Nadal's 66% grand slam wins have been French Open compared to Federer's 41% grand slam wins in Wimbledon.
 
Why do people always have to compare?

Nadal and Federer are both legends of the sport. It's amazing that the Djoker has come along as well .. best tennis era?
 
Poison said:
Why do people always have to compare?

Nadal and Federer are both legends of the sport. It's amazing that the Djoker has come along as well .. best tennis era?
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You are right. They are incomparable.

Federer is in a league of his own. He's the Messi of football.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Greatest player of all time without a doubt.

Nadal isn't even close to him.
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Nadal has got better record against everyone head to head.


Be it Djokovic, Federer and Murray


What is the record against Roger Federer, it is 21-10 in favor of Nadal, Roger might be better than Nadal, so making stupid statement(the bold part) doesn't make you look smart.


Another US open awaits for Nadal, the form he is in right now. InshAllah he will win his 2nd US open
 
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shah_1 said:
Nadal has got better record against everyone head to head.


Be it Djokovic, Federer and Murray


What is the record against Roger Federer, it is 21-10 in favor of Nadal, Roger might be better than Nadal, so making stupid statement(the bold part) doesn't make you look smart.


Another US open awaits for Nadal, the form he is in right now. InshAllah he will win his 2nd US open
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Head to head is not the criteria. Nadal does better against Federer because he has great stamina and Federer tires quickly. That doesn't make Nadal the better player.

Compare that to how both have done overall.

Federer is miles ahead of Nadal and the shots he plays even at this age and the class that he has, Nadal can't even dream of.

Nadal is brute strength, Federer is pure talent.

Comparing them is like comparing Messi to Ronaldo or even worse than that.
 
Keep dreaming, the clay court bully is gonna come short in the US open :misbah
 
Mamoon_ said:
Head to head is not the criteria. Nadal does better against Federer because he has great stamina and Federer tires quickly. That doesn't make Nadal the better player.

Compare that to how both have done overall.

Federer is miles ahead of Nadal and the shots he plays even at this age and the class that he has, Nadal can't even dream of.

Nadal is brute strength, Federer is pure talent.

Comparing them is like comparing Messi to Ronaldo or even worse than that.
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:facepalm:

You are absurd, not going to discuss anything anymore with you about Tennis. I am not saying Nadal is better than Federer , but to say he is not even close to Roger is stupidity.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
Head to head is not the criteria. Nadal does better against Federer because he has great stamina and Federer tires quickly. That doesn't make Nadal the better player.
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This is just not true.

Up until the last 12 months, Federer has been one of the fittest players in the history of the game. The guy could play a 5 setter and barely be sweating at the end of it.

The reason Nadal does so well against Federer is because Nadal continuously peppers Federer's backhand until it eventually breaks down. Federer can't hand this play especially on slower courts where the ball will bounce higher.

It's nothing to do with fitness and stamina at all. Just look at both players injury record to see who is the fitter of the two.
 
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Federer at his peak would simply roll over opponents without breaking a sweat but he isn't a top conditioned athlete like Nadal.

Nadal is a brilliant athlete who has pushed his body to the limits and that is why his knees are gone. At his peak, he could play literally all day without dropping the intensity.

Federer has always struggled to cope with the intensity of Nadal.

That is also precisely the reason why Nadal has done so well on clay and isn't the same player on other surfaces. On clay, the game is slower and you have to reach for the ball a whole lot more and therefore it is more physically demanding which.

In terms of quality of shots, Nadal isn't even as good as Djokovic.
 
If we talk about grand slams
Federer 17
Sampras 14
Emerson 12
Nadal 12

So all those claiming Nadal is not a great, he is not finished yet and has a few more years to go. He might not win more than Fedex but surely would finish ahead of Sampras.
Skill wise he might not be the best but has a never say die attitude when it come to his stamina.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Keep dreaming, the clay court bully is gonna come short in the US open :misbah
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Nadal hasn't lost single match this year on Hard courts :14: 18-0.


I am pretty sure the form he is in, Nadal is going to win it
 
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yea, unfortunately I think it's over.... but can the greatest player of all time do it 1 more time? Based on recent performances I'd say no
 
sakss said:
If we talk about grand slams
Federer 17
Sampras 14
Emerson 12
Nadal 12

So all those claiming Nadal is not a great, he is not finished yet and has a few more years to go. He might not win more than Fedex but surely would finish ahead of Sampras.
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Nadal has at least 4-5 years left in him. He'll probably eclipse Federer and end up with 19-20 ... at least 4 are guaranteed from the French Open.
 
Lol Mamoon...dearie me. Some cringeworthy posting here.

I think Federer (a legend) is past his best now. Nadal, Djokovic and Murray look a notch above everything else out there.

If Nadal stays fit he may end up being the greatest of all.

This is one of the best eras of tennis that there has been, if not the best.
 
Nadal has a lot of time on his hands that is true but one thing is undeniable, Federer's tennis at his peak was head and shoulders above Nadal's best and arguably better than anyone in history.

I don't think any player past or present could top Federer at his ultimate best. He was too good and is definitely the best ever.

Another thing which goes against Nadal is that he hasn't had that sustained period of dominance which Federer enjoyed from 2003-2007 apart from French Opens.
 
Don't get me wrong. Nadal is a legend and one of the best ever.

Better than Federer? no way.

That's like saying Ronaldo is better than Messi. Height of delusion.
 
Nadal thrashes Robredo 6-0 6-2 6-2 to enter the semis.

Did some one say hes not good on hard court?
 
sakss said:
Nadal thrashes Robredo 6-0 6-2 6-2 to enter the semis.

Did some one say hes not good on hard court?
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He's not as versatile as Federer.

Just 2 slams on hard court.
 
sakss said:
Well going by your logic Federer has only won one French open (clay) title , so hes not versatile either.
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well, Federer has many hard court/grass wins (obv GS wins).

lol, the way Nadal thrashed Robredo aka Federer killer.... shows the different levels and where Federer fits in now a days.
 
sakss said:
Well going by your logic Federer has only won one French open (clay) title , so hes not versatile either.
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Federer has dominated grass + hard.

Nadal has dominated clay only.

Who is more versatile?
 
Mamoon_ said:
He's not as versatile as Federer.

Just 2 slams on hard court.
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Well that has been already answered.... the only plus point of Federer ahead of Nadal is his fitness level..

Nadal had withdraw from 6-7 Slams alone due his injuries.. which have reduced his hard court counts.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Don't get me wrong. Nadal is a legend and one of the best ever.

Better than Federer? no way.

That's like saying Ronaldo is better than Messi. Height of delusion.
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Lol so I see that you've changed the point now; nobody said Nadal was better than Federer, just that he was not as far out of Federer's league as you originally claimed. Also leave the football analogies out of a tennis discussion, totally irrelevant.
 
James said:
Lol so I see that you've changed the point now; nobody said Nadal was better than Federer, just that he was not as far out of Federer's league as you originally claimed. Also leave the football analogies out of a tennis discussion, totally irrelevant.
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I've not changed my point. Someone said they shouldn't be compared to which I responded that yes because Federer is in a league of his own and that is where the argument started.

Federer is the greatest player of all time and you can make a case for who is the 2nd best.

The football analogy is totally suitable here. Federer is basically the Messi of football. You can no longer make an argument about who the best footballer of all time is, but there are strong contenders for the no 2 spot.

Nadal is a strong contender for no 2 spot.
 
HazTheGreenKnightRises said:
Well that has been already answered.... the only plus point of Federer ahead of Nadal is his fitness level..

Nadal had withdraw from 6-7 Slams alone due his injuries.. which have reduced his hard court counts.
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ifs and buts. We don't know if'd have won those.
 
Now.. This is not If's or Maybes... unbeaten in hard court this year with 22 wins.. :))

When Nadal is fully fit, he is unstaoppable
 
Mamoon is just a jealous Fed fan.

He knows Nadal will surpass Federer so tries to belittle him to make himself feel better.
 
Nadal has already surpassed Federer for me, and this is why -

Federer won his first seven grand slam finals until he ran into Nadal. Sorry Roger Federer fans, but it is a heck of a lot easier to win against Mark Philippoussis and Marat Safin and Lleyton Hewitt and Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando González than against Nadal or Djokovic. Federer is only 10-7 in grand slam finals, after that 7-0 start, since meeting Nadal in his first final in 2006, when he was in his absolute prime at age 25.

Now look at who Rafael Nadal has had to beat. After beating Mariano Puerta to win his first grand slam title at age 18, Nadal played Federer in his next seven grand slam finals. Federer fans like to complain that Nadal caught him on the downside of his career. Not so; in the last of these seven matches, Nadal had just turned 23 while Federer was 28.

Read more: http://www.rrstar.com/blogs/matttro...-as-greatest-tennis-player-ever#ixzz2eVtAAWvh
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Following article sums up everything I would have written in Nadal's favor on this. He is the ultimate champion. Nadal EARNED every single one of his title, while Roger always had it easy playing a mediocre field. I love Roger, but Nadal is ahead i every respect for the GOAT debate.

http://www.rrstar.com/blogs/matttrowbridge/x1367239983/Rafael-Nadal-passes-Roger-Federe-as-greatest-tennis-player-ever
 
Both are legends of the game and deserve all the accolades. Until Nadal matches Federer's grand slam victories, Federer is the GOAT.
 
Mamoon_ said:
^ LOL what rubbish.
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What he quoted is.. True... !!! After Sampras retired, Federer was the lone warrior..

everyone else during his reigning era were simply not an worthy opponents.. Hewitt, Roddick, Baghdtis,Safin, Henman, Philippousis, etc were just descent players.. nothing more

When the likes of Nadal, Djoko and Murray's reign started, Federer began to decline..
 
imranq said:
Both are legends of the game and deserve all the accolades. Until Nadal matches Federer's grand slam victories, Federer is the GOAT.
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This.

But it will certainly become interesting if and when Rafa matches or goes past his record. Despite Federer's unbelievable consistency records, you have to consider the current era being stronger than most of Federer's career. I think I would be leaning to give the GOAT title to Nadal. But that is if he gets there.
 
I thought so too but what he did today was phenomenal. So close to being the oldest man for 30 or 40 years to win a slam. I was (am) a Nadal fan boy but I think it's time to accept I was wrong because there is only one GOAT and his name is Roger.
 
This Roger vs Nadal argument is quite interesting. Nadal certainly has more stamina, strength and puts ridiculous amount of topspin in his play - certainly better on slower courts. Nadal has been helped by the fact that grass court at wimbledon has become much slower during his career. And those who think Federer is not an all court player have not seen or understood tennis at all. Nadal was incredibly good on clay but Federer was only a bit behind nadal during his peak years and was a fine clay court player himself. In fact, I don't remember nadal ever completely destroying federer on any court during his peak years. On the other hand, on a truly quick grass court I would expect federer to destroy anyone and everyone.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This Roger vs Nadal argument is quite interesting. Nadal certainly has more stamina, strength and puts ridiculous amount of topspin in his play - certainly better on slower courts. Nadal has been helped by the fact that grass court at wimbledon has become much slower during his career. And those who think Federer is not an all court player have not seen or understood tennis at all. Nadal was incredibly good on clay but Federer was only a bit behind nadal during his peak years and was a fine clay court player himself. In fact, I don't remember nadal ever completely destroying federer on any court during his peak years. On the other hand, on a truly quick grass court I would expect federer to destroy anyone and everyone.
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Scorecard for the matches would suggest something else. Most of the times, Federer was beaten comprehensively on Clay against Nadal. Compare that to how Nadal fared against Federer on Grass, those encounters were a lot closer.
 
'Only a bit behind nadal'?? Nadal has won 9 out of the last 10 French opens, including only being a teen when he beat Federer. 4 years younger, 3 grand slams behind and on top of that he has beat Federer 26-10 in Head to Head. If you want to say federer looks more stylish or elegant or whatever the hell else there is then i dont care about that, but the better player is Nadal, no doubt.
 
Mo_Ahmed84 said:
'Only a bit behind nadal'?? Nadal has won 9 out of the last 10 French opens, including only being a teen when he beat Federer. 4 years younger, 3 grand slams behind and on top of that he has beat Federer 26-10 in Head to Head. If you want to say federer looks more stylish or elegant or whatever the hell else there is then i dont care about that, but the better player is Nadal, no doubt.
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Who cares about French? Probably last of the grand slams in terms of what players want to win :)
 
Tennis in clay court is just so boring, slow and low, green court is where real Tennis is at, Nadal can't match Federer there.
 
Electron said:
Scorecard for the matches would suggest something else. Most of the times, Federer was beaten comprehensively on Clay against Nadal. Compare that to how Nadal fared against Federer on Grass, those encounters were a lot closer.
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OK maybe not a bit behind nadal but he was the best after nadal on clay as well. And you know very well that Wimbledon has slowed down which has helped nadal a bit. Federer and Nadal never played on a truly quick grass court.
 
Mo_Ahmed84 said:
'Only a bit behind nadal'?? Nadal has won 9 out of the last 10 French opens, including only being a teen when he beat Federer. 4 years younger, 3 grand slams behind and on top of that he has beat Federer 26-10 in Head to Head. If you want to say federer looks more stylish or elegant or whatever the hell else there is then i dont care about that, but the better player is Nadal, no doubt.
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The better player is Nadal? Federer had 15 grand slams at nadals age. He has won 2 since then. Let's see how nadal does in the next two years before calling him better than Fed.
 
Nadal doesn't have much time left at peak fitness, will evantually break down.
 
Its a matter of time before nadal breaks down and goes the fed way, he'll never catch fed
 
Oh yeah, [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], Djokovic is the new BITW.
 
I can still see Federer winning one more GS, wanted to see him get 20, but I think 18 is what he will retire at.
 
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keysersoze said:
Who cares about French? Probably last of the grand slams in terms of what players want to win :)
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All slams have equal importance. French for a while was made to look second rate by the media for a while since many high profile players like Sampras, Becker and Mcenroe would struggle on it. Sampras would probable give up 3 of his Wimbeldons just for one 1 French open title. And its unfair to call Rafa a clay court bully when he has won every other slam multiple times.
 
Federer is no longer the best player on the tour - that would be Nadal or Djokovic - but he is undoubtedly the goat!

What a match yesterday!

I would like to think that Roger has another Slam or 2 left in him, and in theory he could still get to 20, but sadly I think yesterday was his last huzzah. Hope I'm wrong though!!

Rafa and Djoker to dominate the Slams now... maybe another one for Murray?
 
Rafa would cross Roger sooner or later...
Fed would probably get 1 more and then retire but it was a great match to watch yesterday..

Djoko would win a few tbh and the odd ones coming from the other players around...
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The better player is Nadal? Federer had 15 grand slams at nadals age. He has won 2 since then. Let's see how nadal does in the next two years before calling him better than Fed.
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Nadal snatched many of those 14 slams from a beast called Federer. I am sure that counts for something.

Nikhil_cric said:
OK maybe not a bit behind nadal but he was the best after nadal on clay as well. And you know very well that Wimbledon has slowed down which has helped nadal a bit. Federer and Nadal never played on a truly quick grass court.
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Yes thats true. But whats also true is that Roland Garros courts have also quickened up a bit. So, the advantage went both ways.
 
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keysersoze said:
Who cares about French? Probably last of the grand slams in terms of what players want to win :)
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The french open is still a grand slam isn't it?

Nikhil_cric said:
The better player is Nadal? Federer had 15 grand slams at nadals age. He has won 2 since then. Let's see how nadal does in the next two years before calling him better than Fed.
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Yes the better player is Nadal, The injuries have not been too kind and if federer won 15 slams by 28 then the past 4 years he has only won 2. I think Nadal can win more than 3 in his next 4 years. That shouldnt be too difficult for the GOAT.
 
Murray is the most overrated tennis player ever. He has slipped even further than the top 4 positions now. All I am wondering now is who is going to be that new young exciting worlds best tennis star in near future? because Federer, Nadal even Djokovic won't be around forever.
 
Energetic said:
Murray is the most overrated tennis player ever. He has slipped even further than the top 4 positions now. All I am wondering now is who is going to be that new young exciting worlds best tennis star in near future? because Federer, Nadal even Djokovic won't be around forever.
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Agree about the Murray part, he is nothing but British media hype.

But I do feel for Djokovic at times. This guy is so under-rated among tennis fans. Imagine what it must feel like fighting Federer and Nadal for his Grand Slams, and still come out winning 7 of them. Is it just me, or does Djokovic really deserve to be counted equal to Andre Agassi ?
 
0:3 in Semi-Final yesterday i think it's hard for Federer to win a grand slam before retirement.
 
Electron said:
Agree about the Murray part, he is nothing but British media hype.

But I do feel for Djokovic at times. This guy is so under-rated among tennis fans. Imagine what it must feel like fighting Federer and Nadal for his Grand Slams, and still come out winning 7 of them. Is it just me, or does Djokovic really deserve to be counted equal to Andre Agassi ?
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two time grand slam winner and a top 4 player for the last few years? yeah media hype. He's had a dodgy back for the last couple of years, some of the best matches in the last few years have involved Murray e.g. vs Rfed and Djokovic.
 
the Great Khan said:
two time grand slam winner and a top 4 player for the last few years? yeah media hype. He's had a dodgy back for the last couple of years, some of the best matches in the last few years have involved Murray e.g. vs Rfed and Djokovic.
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British media present's Tennis as something with dominant BIG 4 which is bit of a joke. This is the part I consider over-hyping. Tennis has Top 3
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Energetic said:
Murray is the most overrated tennis player ever. He has slipped even further than the top 4 positions now. All I am wondering now is who is going to be that new young exciting worlds best tennis star in near future? because Federer, Nadal even Djokovic won't be around forever.
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Cilic looked pretty awesome in his demolition of Federer. No idea if that was a one off, first time I've seen him.
 
Electron said:
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British media present's Tennis as something with dominant BIG 4 which is bit of a joke. This is the part I consider over-hyping. Tennis has Top 3
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with all due respect but over the last few years when the top four were as above it was true, nobody could really remember the 5th one because there wasn't a stable 5th one. Murray has been holding his own for the last three to four years. He's lost it a bit now because of injury and no Lendl.
 
No shame in admitting the King of the Tennis Court is proving me and many others wrong even after 4 years when i created this thread!

Greatest of all time...
 
Simply the best. Keep playing for another couple of years at least Roger. You are still better than 99% of the players. The young guns are completely hopeless. No reason to retire yet.
 
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