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The last day of the Test series has arrived and the match situation is as follows:

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The Weather situation:

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Oh wow. That's not a bad forecast at all.

But I think Pak should draw this. This is technically a day 4 wicket and English bowlers are tired. Just hope poor Anderson gets his 600th. :)
 
I am in manchester and its been raining elephants and hippos all night...if similar rain in southampton there is no way any cricket as ground would be soaked and soggy
 
Looks like the rain may stop before pkay is due to start. Coukd be delayed start as well as light playing a factor due to dark clouds.
 
First session is gone for sure. There can be around 40-50 overs of play given that bad light will also cause some problems in the final hour of the day.

It will be a deserved draw for Pakistan IMO if they can bat for 50 more overs as they have survived 50+ already.
 
I doubt we'll even get any action today. If that turns out to be the case, Pakistan will be ruing the first test loss which they should have won easily.
 
Ab Fan said:
First session is gone for sure. There can be around 40-50 overs of play given that bad light will also cause some problems in the final hour of the day.

It will be a deserved draw for Pakistan IMO if they can bat for 50 more overs as they have survived 50+ already.
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Deserving draw? England should have bowled 180 overs at us and now they will end up bowling around a 100.

If we draw this because of rain, it will be nothing but pure luck.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Bus kr bhai, ab barish kaya Pak team ke wja se ho rahi? ya ye history ka pehla draw hoga due to rain, u r definition of dheetpan.
 
Mamoon said:
Deserving draw? England should have bowled 180 overs at us and now they will end up bowling around a 100.

If we draw this because of rain, it will be nothing but pure luck.
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If Pakistan can survive 100 overs in total, why isn't it a deserved draw?

It is not necessary that a draw means both teams should be on par. A hard-fighting draw needs to be appreciated even if England were a better team in this match and throughout the series.
 
Pakistan have three no 11 in the team, for such a team to get a draw would be remarkable achievement playeing 100 overs and survive that many overs.
 
I don’t want it to rain. I want to see Babar Azam grinding for the draw.

Pls rain stay away!
 
Ab Fan said:
If Pakistan can survive 100 overs in total, why isn't it a deserved draw?

It is not necessary that a draw means both teams should be on par. A hard-fighting draw needs to be appreciated even if England were a better team in this match and throughout the series.
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If Pakistan can survive those 100 overs losing just one or two more wickets (3-4 total) , then we can say they deserved to draw the game and the 13 WTC points.

If they end up losing most of their Top 8, then it's just a lucky escape.
 
Ab Fan said:
If Pakistan can survive 100 overs in total, why isn't it a deserved draw?

It is not necessary that a draw means both teams should be on par. A hard-fighting draw needs to be appreciated even if England were a better team in this match and throughout the series.
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For Pakistan to stick out 100 overs is an achievement regardless of anything else
 
Speaking in hindsight, it'd have been so unfair on England had they lost that first test in Manchester looking at the way they outplayed Pakistan here.

Both teams should be pleased with the 1-0 scoreline.
 
Mamoon said:
Deserving draw? England should have bowled 180 overs at us and now they will end up bowling around a 100.

If we draw this because of rain, it will be nothing but pure luck.
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Luck is not a concept that great teams and athletes consider. You make your own luck. The weather conditions are part of the game in England.
The conditions were well predicted for yesterday and today (Storm Francis). It was known by both teams at the start. If England had wanted they could have declared much earlier or indeed, as England won the toss, they could have put us in, bowled us out cheaply (as I am sure you believe they would have done), batted and declared and bowled us out cheaply again.
Luck does not come into it. You would (rightly in my opinion) be hard on those who post we have had “bad luck”. You make your own luck.
If we draw this game, it is not luck.
 
Ab Fan said:
If Pakistan can survive 100 overs in total, why isn't it a deserved draw?

It is not necessary that a draw means both teams should be on par. A hard-fighting draw needs to be appreciated even if England were a better team in this match and throughout the series.
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Because Pakistan had survive 180 overs, not 100.

This is like a team who has to survive on the 5th day and the day is washed out after 40 overs.

How many times have we seen a team fight it out for 40-50 overs, only for the wheels to come off in the last session?

It is the same situation here. Pakistan did well to survive yesterday, but it has a 0% chance of surviving two days in this situation.

No batting lineup in the world would survive for a draw in this situation let alone Pakistan.
 
gibsyhesperis said:
Luck is not a concept that great teams and athletes consider. You make your own luck. The weather conditions are part of the game in England.
The conditions were well predicted for yesterday and today (Storm Francis). It was known by both teams at the start. If England had wanted they could have declared much earlier or indeed, as England won the toss, they could have put us in, bowled us out cheaply (as I am sure you believe they would have done), batted and declared and bowled us out cheaply again.
Luck does not come into it. You would (rightly in my opinion) be hard on those who post we have had “bad luck”. You make your own luck.
If we draw this game, it is not luck.
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Rain is not called making your own luck. England did nothing wrong. They demolished our much hyped bowling attack, secured a massive lead and then enforced the follow-on with two full days to dismiss Pakistan and win the match.

They have played a perfect game of cricket, and no batting lineup in the world, let alone a pathetic one like ours, would survive two days against them in this situation.

When you have absolutely no chance of surviving without rain, then it is indeed a matter of pure luck.
 
Rain will save England the embarrassment of being unable to bowl us out in a full day :smith
 
Talking about Luck, when Pak were in commanfing position in first test someone claimed Pak were lucky to win toss. In this test England qon toss so they must have been lucky to bat in more favourable condition then Pak had to. Was Pak unluvky with Fawad dismissal of no ball? Were Pak unluck with so called freat umpire Gough giving two decisions against them that looked to be at best just clipping. If it had been England batting Gough would not had been that eager.
 
PakPremi said:
Talking about Luck, when Pak were in commanfing position in first test someone claimed Pak were lucky to win toss. In this test England qon toss so they must have been lucky to bat in more favourable condition then Pak had to. Was Pak unluvky with Fawad dismissal of no ball? Were Pak unluck with so called freat umpire Gough giving two decisions against them that looked to be at best just clipping. If it had been England batting Gough would not had been that eager.
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Pakistan twice won the toss and failed to press home the advantage by scoring below par in the first innings. On the contrary, when England got the chance to bat first, they took the advantage and ran with it to the extent that Pakistan were completely out of the game after the first innings.

That is the difference between a quality team and a mediocre team.

As far as umpire’s call is concerned, it is the same for both teams. Pakistan have had several umpire’s call in their favor as well.

But this typical of small teams and their fans who cry about umpiring decisions and so-called umpiring bias when they get thumped.
 
We will get some play today. Just can't predict when due to how long it will take to clear the ground.
 
So if this match is a no result due to rain, basically Misbah and Azhar could go back to Pakistan and claim that it was a closely contested series and Pakistan just had one bad session which cost them the series.
 
Majid Khan said:
So if this match is a no result due to rain, basically Misbah and Azhar could go back to Pakistan and claim that it was a closely contested series and Pakistan just had one bad session which cost them the series.
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Actually... Nothing wrong with these claim...
 
Brilliant! This means SOME people here that pretend to be Pakistan supporters will be depressed for the next few weeks, to those people, change the record!
 
i agree it was just one bad session in whole series and i am not referring to the bowling what cost us was the batting collapse in second innings with run outs ..gifting wickets on leg side..wild hacks...

we were just unlucky in bowling as their shots went in no mans land they never gave us a chance
 
The drainage at Southampton seems fairly ordinary by English standards.

I know it's unreasonable to expect the ECB to employ as many ground staff as they do in Sri Lanka, but after what has happened in the last two weeks with the rain delays, the standard of work done by the ground staff needs to be questioned at least.
 
Last Monetarist said:
The drainage at Southampton seems fairly ordinary by English standards.

I know it's unreasonable to expect the ECB to employ as many ground staff as they do in Sri Lanka, but after what has happened in the last two weeks with the rain delays, the standard of work done by the ground staff needs to be questioned at least.
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Pakistan did a decent job during PSL. Heavy rain yet ground being dried quickly compared to this farce.
 
Haters will cry but England got lucky in the first test due to inexperience pace attack of Pakistan. Despite home notoriously overcast conditions and 5 bowler attack with lots of experience, home umpires more happy to give pak batsmen out then english batsmen for marginal decisions, and abundamce of capable tailend batting, England could not spank Pakistan like they do teams like India at home.
 
I think, game will start at around 2:00-2:30 PM and it can go up to 7:30 pm, light permitting with one 20 min break in between. Today being last day there will be every effort to maximise overs - that’s about 50 overs, or max 60. But key is, England will get the second ball after 24 overs and might get the best 23-25 overs of that ball - Azhar must have to see through that phase otherwise it still can end in tears. Couple of years back on a similar flat track, PAK lost 9 wickets in a session to Kiwis with second ball.
 
sindhiboy said:
Well played Azhar Ali, his knock saved Pakistan from a loss
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No, rain saved Pakistan from a loss.

No batting lineup in the world, let alone the Pakistani one, would have been able to bat out two days on day 4 and 5 in this situation.
 
PakPremi said:
Haters will cry but England got lucky in the first test due to inexperience pace attack of Pakistan. Despite home notoriously overcast conditions and 5 bowler attack with lots of experience, home umpires more happy to give pak batsmen out then english batsmen for marginal decisions, and abundamce of capable tailend batting, England could not spank Pakistan like they do teams like India at home.
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So England were lucky even though they won fair and square but Pakistan aren't when it's rain that is literally saving them from a 2-0 spanking. Got it. :)
 
If the ground gets ready by 7:00 pm PST, then we will have at least 45 to 48 overs. England can still win this.
 
If this match ends in a draw than its England‘s own fault. Weather forecast was there for everyone to see even before the match started. Instead of declaring their innings earlier at around 500 runs they kept on batting late into day two trying to get their score upto 600. In my opinion, it is not that pak have become lucky because of rain, it is because of englands stupidity.

Anyways there is a possibility of getting around 40 to 50 overs in and it is possible that pak batting lives upto the expectations and collapse once again.
 
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Mesozoic said:
So England were lucky even though they won fair and square but Pakistan aren't when it's rain that is literally saving them from a 2-0 spanking. Got it. :)
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Pakistani fans: we are better than England.

Also Pakistani fans: let’s hope it continues to rain so that we can draw the match and then we will celebrate the draw.
 
It is a shame the last Test of the summer needs to end like this...
 
According to Cricinfo, we may still get a session and a half. So around 40 overs. Hope the storm clears out.

Don't care about the result, but badly want Jimmy to get his 600th. :(
 
complete fluke and luck..pakistan are just a disaster and should stop playing all sport..(sarcasm)

on a serious note, you make your own luck in sport. If azhar hadnt stood up this match would have been over by now. If masood and abid hadnt blunted a powerful home attack we wouldnt have gotten this far.

Its still not over but I suspect light may not allow a proper days play. I hope Pakistan can avoid wicket losses in whatever play they get.

Overall its been a poor cricket summer. The conditions have not allowed much play and we blew a big chance in the first test.
 
As no further rain is predicted assuming they resume play by 2.30 or 3 pm BST.

We can have 60 overs approx. Pity england doesn't have quality spinner or they had better chance to win

The pitch is as flat as road. Pakistan batting has beem resilient throughout
It will be an achivement to survive two sessions but its very much doable

I want to see some action let pakistan earn itself a draw or england a win
 
Mesozoic said:
So England were lucky even though they won fair and square but Pakistan aren't when it's rain that is literally saving them from a 2-0 spanking. Got it. :)
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Read mesage where I have claimed they got lucky due ro our inexperienced pacers and England knew it will rain so gutsy batting by Pakistan overcamwe their plans in the match. Its not like they did not know it would rain, many matches are won in 4 days, and a much higher rank team playing at home agsinst this poor Pak team should have won with available time.
 
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m.awais said:
If this match ends in a draw than its England‘s own fault. Weather forecast was there for everyone to see even before the match started. Instead of declaring their innings earlier at around 500 runs they kept on batting late into day two trying to get their score upto 600. In my opinion, it is not that pak have become lucky because of rain, it is because of englands stupidity.

Anyways there is a possibility of getting around 40 to 50 overs in and it is possible that pak batting lives upto the expectations and collapse once again.
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No, England did the right thing to make sure that they don’t have to bat two times in any case.

This is foolish to think that declaring at 500 would have given them any advantage. First they carried to bat till 20 overs of the day, so that they can use the new ball either side of days break, more importantly the ball is still fairly new on third morning - you have seen how it worked. Theoretically, had they declared at 500, with other scores remaining same, PAK is 127 away from saving the game - but not now; they’ll have to bat their skin out to save this Test if there is another 3.5-4 hours of play possible.

Apart from rain, only factor that changed the expected script is that Azhar has played a blinder, otherwise, in spite rain & Poms batting for 150+ overs, by now players would have shaken elbow ......
 
PakPremi said:
Read mesage where I have claimed they got lucky due ro our inexperienced pacers and England knew it will rain so gutsy batting by Pakistan overcamwe their plans in the match. Its not like they did not know it would rain, many matches are won in 4 days, and a much higher rank team playing at home agsinst this poor Pak team should have won with available time.
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As I said - you are still in denial ......
 
Anyway cant do bhangra just yet as England will get plenty of time to bowl out few remaining batsmen, thereafter tailend will not last 3 overs.
 
MMHS said:
As I said - you are still in denial ......
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I am not denying anything England are much better than Pakistan in their home consitions.That does not take anything away from Pakistan bwing the most dominant team in the first test, on level term in the second test of whatever play was possible,and England unable to beat Pakostan , so far, with available time and mammoth first inning score pressure.
 
PakPremi said:
Read mesage where I have claimed they got lucky due ro our inexperienced pacers and England knew it will rain so gutsy batting by Pakistan overcamwe their plans in the match. Its not like they did not know it would rain, many matches are won in 4 days, and a much higher rank team playing at home agsinst this poor Pak team should have won with available time.
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You have pretty low standards for your team no offense.

Don't think there was anything gutsy about Pak batting this game so far. They're trailing by 200 runs in their second innings while following on.......If they survive 50+ overs today in these conditions , you would have made a lot more sense while saying that.

And Pak attack being "inexperienced" doesn't make England lucky. That's one of the worst excuse in the history of worst excuses.
 
Mamoon said:
No, rain saved Pakistan from a loss.

No batting lineup in the world, let alone the Pakistani one, would have been able to bat out two days on day 4 and 5 in this situation.
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This is undoubtedly true. If weather had not intervened Pakistan would have lost, as indeed would have most sides against this attack.
 
4 hours / 50 overs are more than enough for England to win it 2:0.

We all know how poor our Batting is in under little bit of pressure.
 
PakPremi said:
I am not denying anything England are much better than Pakistan in their home consitions.That does not take anything away from Pakistan bwing the most dominant team in the first test, on level term in the second test of whatever play was possible,and England unable to beat Pakostan , so far, with available time and mammoth first inning score pressure.
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No bro, PAK never was the dominant team in first Test. They were extremely lucky to get such a wicket in UK, then winning toss and Shan earning his life time achievement and top 4 English players having an off Test - still it wasn’t enough. I always say that it’s difficult to make any upset in Test cricket because better team gets multiple chances to make a come back. On that track, from that position after first innings what England did only tells how wide the gap is - it basically tells that England is good enough to match PAK with one innings against two.

The dummy that PAK “fans” try to sell for second Test, will face difficulties to find a customer out of me. This series, Poms had been down to 62/4, 117/5, 127/4 and from there on posted 226, 277/5 & 583/8d. ..... and they were 114/4 when the game was washed out ... while PAK has been soft in second time - both with bat & ball ..... how that Test would have gone if there was another 200 overs possible.... you’ll see it today, if there is around 60 overs possible.

Only point that has a valid merit here is that Poms are playing at home and they have won almost every series there in last decade for a reason. No shame for PAK losing this series 2-0 and if they can bail out a draw today surviving another around 4 hours of play, it indeed will be praise worthy.
 
Problem with rain in Eng isnt only that it stops the play when its raining but, it also stops the play in some subsequent hours due to wet outfield which we have seen throughout this summer. I am not sure why outfield getting wet and having water patches is something that cant be prevented in the modern world.
 
I don't understand if you have a poor drainage system why you would not cover the parts of the outfield that are vulnerable to heavy rain.
 
Looks like its gonna be a draw. Had Pakistan won the 1st test. They would have won the series. Sigh
 
MMHS said:
No bro, PAK never was the dominant team in first Test. They were extremely lucky to get such a wicket in UK, then winning toss and Shan earning his life time achievement and top 4 English players having an off Test - still it wasn’t enough. I always say that it’s difficult to make any upset in Test cricket because better team gets multiple chances to make a come back. On that track, from that position after first innings what England did only tells how wide the gap is - it basically tells that England is good enough to match PAK with one innings against two.

The dummy that PAK “fans” try to sell for second Test, will face difficulties to find a customer out of me. This series, Poms had been down to 62/4, 117/5, 127/4 and from there on posted 226, 277/5 & 583/8d. ..... and they were 114/4 when the game was washed out ... while PAK has been soft in second time - both with bat & ball ..... how that Test would have gone if there was another 200 overs possible.... you’ll see it today, if there is around 60 overs possible.

Only point that has a valid merit here is that Poms are playing at home and they have won almost every series there in last decade for a reason. No shame for PAK losing this series 2-0 and if they can bail out a draw today surviving another around 4 hours of play, it indeed will be praise worthy.
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About 5 different posters have tried to sell me this dummy over the last few days, but I failed to explain so comprehensively. They did go back empty-handed but perhaps not dejected like they would after reading this post.
 
MMHS said:
No bro, PAK never was the dominant team in first Test. They were extremely lucky to get such a wicket in UK, then winning toss and Shan earning his life time achievement and top 4 English players having an off Test - still it wasn’t enough. I always say that it’s difficult to make any upset in Test cricket because better team gets multiple chances to make a come back. On that track, from that position after first innings what England did only tells how wide the gap is - it basically tells that England is good enough to match PAK with one innings against two.

The dummy that PAK “fans” try to sell for second Test, will face difficulties to find a customer out of me. This series, Poms had been down to 62/4, 117/5, 127/4 and from there on posted 226, 277/5 & 583/8d. ..... and they were 114/4 when the game was washed out ... while PAK has been soft in second time - both with bat & ball ..... how that Test would have gone if there was another 200 overs possible.... you’ll see it today, if there is around 60 overs possible.

Only point that has a valid merit here is that Poms are playing at home and they have won almost every series there in last decade for a reason. No shame for PAK losing this series 2-0 and if they can bail out a draw today surviving another around 4 hours of play, it indeed will be praise worthy.
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Now you are in denial and making excuses for England poor performance in first test and undermining Pak who won most sessions in the first test. Dont believe me go and watch highlights and listen to Wnglish media analysis. In second test pak wereall over English batting and conditions were such that each ball was threatening to be wicket taking one.
As I said Pak is a poor team away from home and delivered as per expected with poor selections adding to their ineffectiveness.
 
Mamoon said:
Rain is not called making your own luck. England did nothing wrong. They demolished our much hyped bowling attack, secured a massive lead and then enforced the follow-on with two full days to dismiss Pakistan and win the match.

They have played a perfect game of cricket, and no batting lineup in the world, let alone a pathetic one like ours, would survive two days against them in this situation.

When you have absolutely no chance of surviving without rain, then it is indeed a matter of pure luck.
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You are talking as if it's the first time that rain has helped any team in saving the game...the forecast was known well in advance and Eng should have been more proactive in their batting or perhaps they didn't account for that Azhar knock.

There's no shame in being helped by rain as the weather is also a big component of test cricket in England.
Rain has helped many teams in the past.
I recall India winning the series in Eng in 2007 due to rain rescuing India (on the verge of defeat) in the 1st test.

Credit to Pakistan(and India in 2007) who managed to drag the game to a stage where rain can come in play.

Still a lot can happen if there's atleast 35-45 overs of play today.
 
if Pakistan can go home with a draw here, they will be pleased, they were unlucky to not have won that match, it was due to inexperienced bowling line up. Management missed a trick by not resting shaheen and Naseem, could have played sohail and haris rauf here
 
Play may start from around 4 p.m. So, around 30 overs maximum before bad light comes in.
 
Some people forget loosing our 1st 3 games at the 92 World Cup, then being bowled out for 74 by England, followed by 3 hours of rain which saved us!
 
PakPremi said:
Now you are in denial and making excuses for England poor performance in first test and undermining Pak who won most sessions in the first test. Dont believe me go and watch highlights and listen to Wnglish media analysis. In second test pak wereall over English batting and conditions were such that each ball was threatening to be wicket taking one.
As I said Pak is a poor team away from home and delivered as per expected with poor selections adding to their ineffectiveness.
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Ye hui na baat. It’s difficult to recognise a tree as apple, then sell the fruits as orange ..... better, sell it as apple and try to find reasons why customer will buy your apple - it’ll work.
 
Ashmal said:
You are talking as if it's the first time that rain has helped any team in saving the game...the forecast was known well in advance and Eng should have been more proactive in their batting or perhaps they didn't account for that Azhar knock.

There's no shame in being helped by rain as the weather is also a big component of test cricket in England.
Rain has helped many teams in the past.
I recall India winning the series in Eng in 2007 due to rain rescuing India (on the verge of defeat) in the 1st test.

Credit to Pakistan(and India in 2007) who managed to drag the game to a stage where rain can come in play.

Still a lot can happen if there's atleast 35-45 overs of play today.
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You would not see Mamoon and other trying their best to undermine the lsome perfomance that Pak.manged to put in the series, calling India saved by rain. All lucks, flukes, star alignments, opposition having a bad day,, dropped catches excuses reserved only for Pak.
 
We lost the 1st test because we aren't good enough. I seriously doubt we would have won the 2nd test. And had England had there been no rain we would have lost this test.

Our fans have problems in admitting we aren't good enough. Hearing things like we won most sessions in the first test and deserved to win is stupid. We lost the game that's all that matters.
 
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