"This is a perfect pitch for both Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid to bowl on" : Ian Botham

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Sir Ian Botham believes the Ageas Bowl pitch is ideal for England spinners Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid in a low-scoring, fourth Test thriller against India.

At the Ageas Bowl Moeen's record is very good, he took 6-67 against India here in 2014, which was where he took his first five-wicket haul in Test cricket.

Moeen has come off the back of a double-century and picking up six wickets in a match-winning effort against Yorkshire at Scarborough and it's important to pick players on form.

He gives you a bit of stability and this is a perfect pitch for both Moeen and Adil Rashid to bowl on. As the game goes on I expect the two of them will bowl more and more for England.

These are the first runs Cheteshwar Pujara's got this summer, he had never scored a hundred in England before his unbeaten 132 which helped India earn a 27-run lead and his only previous century outside of Asia was the 150 he hit against South Africa in Johannesburg.

Pujara has worked hard. We know he's a very good batsman, we watched him in India when he scored two centuries in each of the series in 2012 and 2016 against England, so it is no real surprise to me that he has got runs.

I think he will be delighted because he was under the cosh and was left out of the first Test match, but like all good players who get left out, he went and worked on his game and has come back and put things right.

England do have a player just like Pujara in their side in Alastair Cook, who will bat and bat and bat but he just hasn't got the runs at the moment. I don't think he's that far away from doing that again for the team.

I do think India will be a bit disappointed with their middle order and I couldn't work out Rishabh Pant's innings. As a young player who is renowned for his stroke play - who struck a six with only the second ball he faced in Test cricket at Trent Bridge - to poke around for 29 deliveries and then get out.

They are all good players in the Indian team but sometimes you're not in as good nick as you'd like to be.

Joe Root and Ben Stokes returned to fielding in the slips for England and as their best catchers it's always a good idea to have them in the cordon. I didn't understand why they weren't in the slips the previous games.

This has all the makings of a good game, when sides are getting out for 250 playing 250, it is always good.

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Anything over 150 and I would back England to win..
 
A 70 odd from Root with a couple of blokes chipping in with 30-40 should do it for England.

Ashwin gotta take a 5-fer here.
 
Rashid is useless. Why don't they just play Moeen? He's probably the best spinner in English conditions and ran through India last time aswell.
 
Regardless of what total England are able to set, if Adil Rashid can't bowl England to victory here he should do the Honorable thing for his country and retire from Test Cricket, a format which he clearly doesn't respect.
 
I remember when Malik was selected from obscurity and even after a magnificent performance he retired soon after because he had some self respect and didn't want to play in a format which he knew that deep down his heart wasn't in it at that stage of his career [MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION]. Adil on the other hand is getting spanked from genesis all the way to revelations and he still continues to steal pay checks!
 
He's not wrong.

It's perfect for Moeen because of the rough created by the Indian seamers bowling around the wicket to all the England left handers.

It's perfect for Rashid because he's 4th or 5th change (Behind Jimmy, Broad, Curran, Jennings, Stokes and Moeen) so he won't have to bowl.
 
Think in the future England should play Curran, Woakes, Broad, Anderson and just play Moeen as the sole spinner. Given that Curran, Woakes can bat, and Moeen and Stokes (especially stokes who gets in batting alone now) are the level of specialist bats, England can afford to play so many bowling options.

Rashid should only come in if it's a spinning pitch and England need 2 spinners badly. So probably just UAE and India.
 
I remember when Malik was selected from obscurity and even after a magnificent performance he retired soon after because he had some self respect and didn't want to play in a format which he knew that deep down his heart wasn't in it at that stage of his career [MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION]. Adil on the other hand is getting spanked from genesis all the way to revelations and he still continues to steal pay checks!

Malik is a model Pakistani man, career wise, health wise, relationship wise. Foreign women want him and foreign men want to be him.
 
Malik is a model Pakistani man, career wise, health wise, relationship wise. Foreign women want him and foreign men want to be him.

Not sure if he's taking about Shoaib MALIK or prime Imran Khan
 
I remember when Malik was selected from obscurity and even after a magnificent performance he retired soon after because he had some self respect and didn't want to play in a format which he knew that deep down his heart wasn't in it at that stage of his career [MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION]. Adil on the other hand is getting spanked from genesis all the way to revelations and he still continues to steal pay checks!

Don't see how this is Rashid's fault. It's the selectors who selected him. You can't blame a player for wanting to represent his country. England haven't had a decent spinner since Swann, when they see someone like Rashid doing well in ODIs, they figure they might as well give him another go. Rashid himself has barely bowled in this series yet still managed a respectable average 29. Wouldn't call that getting spanked from genesis to revelations.

If players like Afridi can take back retirements a gazillion times and still get selected, Rashid can take back his red-ball retirement aswell.
 
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Both needs to step up when England bowl as the pitch seems as though it will favour spinners.
 
Seems Botham had a point - especially as far as Moeen is concerned.
 
Botham called it! But dont think even he suspected Moeen would have so much success.
 
Don't see how this is Rashid's fault. It's the selectors who selected him. You can't blame a player for wanting to represent his country. England haven't had a decent spinner since Swann, when they see someone like Rashid doing well in ODIs, they figure they might as well give him another go. Rashid himself has barely bowled in this series yet still managed a respectable average 29. Wouldn't call that getting spanked from genesis to revelations.

If players like Afridi can take back retirements a gazillion times and still get selected, Rashid can take back his red-ball retirement aswell.

Rashid is the worst spin bowler to have ever represented England, trash like this should only gets selected at Yorkshire. The glorification of his numbers do not reflect how trash he has been, how can one even begin to brag about an average when he isn't even trusted with the ball beyond taking a few cheap wickets and living off one or two top order dismissals for the rest of his career? He is a huge liability, he can't hold an end and we saw that today when Mo had to do his job for him.

Things work different in England bud, Afridi is one of the greatest morons of all time; it's fitting you bring him up because Rashid himself isn't the sharpest tools in the box but if he has a little respect he will retire after this series, it may not have been his fault that he was selected but if he has a bit of sharam he will retire when his heart is not in red ball cricket, this isn't benefit street where you can fraudently accept handouts and free trips all around the country / globe.
 
Rashid is the worst spin bowler to have ever represented England, trash like this should only gets selected at Yorkshire. The glorification of his numbers do not reflect how trash he has been, how can one even begin to brag about an average when he isn't even trusted with the ball beyond taking a few cheap wickets and living off one or two top order dismissals for the rest of his career? He is a huge liability, he can't hold an end and we saw that today when Mo had to do his job for him.

Things work different in England bud, Afridi is one of the greatest morons of all time; it's fitting you bring him up because Rashid himself isn't the sharpest tools in the box but if he has a little respect he will retire after this series, it may not have been his fault that he was selected but if he has a bit of sharam he will retire when his heart is not in red ball cricket, this isn't benefit street where you can fraudently accept handouts and free trips all around the country / globe.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Rashid is mediocre but he is nothing compared to the rubbish spinners England selected through the 90s and 2000s. In ODIs, he might be one of the most effective spinners in the world and in tests he has the potential to get better. Don't see why a bowler who has barely bowled in the series is criticized for not making a mark.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

what other option does ENgland have?

Moeen Ali will never be considered a main spin bowler unless he builds up his variety.
 
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Rashid is mediocre but he is nothing compared to the rubbish spinners England selected through the 90s and 2000s. In ODIs, he might be one of the most effective spinners in the world and in tests he has the potential to get better. Don't see why a bowler who has barely bowled in the series is criticized for not making a mark.

We are talking Tests here, are you related to Ed Smith by any chance? furthermore, he hasn't been given a bowl because he leaks too many runs and can't hold an end as we have seen in this series so far every time he has been given the ball, it's like saying oh he was smashed to pieces but we can't judge him for that because the captain took him off. He was treated like the no.2 spinner despite being a specialist on a wicket where he should have done more damage then Mo.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

what other option does ENgland have?

Moeen Ali will never be considered a main spin bowler unless he builds up his variety.

Moeen is the no.1 spinner in England by default, there is simply no other option in this role and he is by far the best and most accomplished spinner in the country. Leach can be considered as a potential second spinner however. England need to define Mo's role clearly and back him all the way, one bad winter which he played while not being 100% fit shouldn't prevent them from giving him a long rope, Saqi is in the team to which is brilliant.
 
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Moeen is the no.1 spinner in England by default, there is simply no other option in this role and he is by far the best and most accomplished spinner in the country. Leach can be considered as a potential second spinner however. England need to define Mo's role clearly and back him all the way, one bad winter which he played while not being 100% fit shouldn't prevent them from giving him a long rope, Saqi is in the team to which is brilliant.

do you think george Dockrell is good enough to be taken away from Ireland?
 
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