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This is why we need Shadab Khan or Faheem Ashraf in Tests!

Bleedgreen4ever

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This is an absolute necessity.

From 315/5 to 348 AO.........

I remember we suffered similar collapses in ENG and IRE and our LO saved us now it's the other way round.

Mugs like Bilal Asif are wasting number 8 spot.
 
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Shadab is good but what faheem he is just a ordinary bowler not batsman his score in Ireland and England's come from poor fielding, we need amir yameen in odi and tests permanently faheem for only t20i
 
Shadab is good but what faheem he is just a ordinary bowler not batsman his score in Ireland and England's come from poor fielding, we need amir yameen in odi and tests permanently faheem for only t20i

Fahim is an extremely talented bowler as proven in England and again in the ODI's and T20's played since then.

He could easily play as the third seamer in South Africa.
 
Fahim is an extremely talented bowler as proven in England and again in the ODI's and T20's played since then.

He could easily play as the third seamer in South Africa.

Not in tests , and we need allrounder like amir yameen as 4 bowler to rest other 3
 
This is an absolute necessity.

From 315/5 to 348 AO.........

I remember we suffered similar collapses in ENG and IRE and our LO saved us now it's the other way round.

Mugs like Bilal Asif are wasting number 8 spot.

Shadab should definitely play but I think he is recovering from injury. Not sure if Faheem is needed as there are enough pace bowlers around for UAE tests.
 
But, by playing Shadab for Yasir & Fahim for Bilal, can PAK restrict Kiwis for 274? These 2 took 8 of the 10 wickets - by replacing them, Kiwi's score might have been 472 instead of 274 ....... then Shadab & Fahim would have required to add 100+ with that 348 just to save the game, which I don't think is that easy ..... in fact, I think they are too ordinary to even think of so. PAK can't compete in a Test with 2 nightwatchmen opening, and tail starting from No. 7 - plain & simple. To compensate that, we can think of many alternatives - won't work. Why Shadab & Fahim only, PAK can drop all 4 of Hasan, Afridi, Yasir & Bilal and pick Yamin, Aga Salman, Shabad & Fahim - that makes it the best tail in world, and all 4 can bowl legally (Umpire won't call them for chucking) ......

Or may be, PAK can drop both openers and pick 4 bowlers + those 2 "all-rounders", which should make a robust bottom half, because what I understand is, it's not about batting capability, rather the position one is batting makes it happen.

It doesn't work that way - everyone has his role in a team game, and bowling is a specialized skill. 90% of PAK's problem will be solved, if opening pair can average 45 (pair's average, not individual - Tamim, Imrul averages 45+ for almost 2.5K runs, therefore I take that as minimum bench mark).
 
That is not the solution. Faheem and Shadab are not Test level bowlers yet.

On green pitches , faheem can play as 4th pacer. On Turning tracks shadab can play as second spinner
 
I would not go in lengths...but how do we even know that Bilal Asif won't be able to bat better on a pitch where ball can be timed much better and can do what Shadab can.

I would have Bilal Asif as my only choice of spinner against SA for the first test. Play him in the warm-up and let him prove. UAE pitches are trash and no measurement of anyone's batting ability. Faheem will play against SA.
 
We have a best tail in.the world, everyone is capable of scoring 30-40 runs.

We don't need trundlers like Fahim Ashraf, aamir Yamin etc
 
Problem is the batsmen not scoring runs. Bowlers can't take wickets and score runs too, what are the batsmen there for?Sad that 2 batsmen score 2/3 of the runs isn't it. I will never blame the last four of the batting order, even if they have to score 10 runs. The batsmen should have seen 274 and just enjoyed batting there for 2 days.
 
This is an absolute necessity.

From 315/5 to 348 AO.........

I remember we suffered similar collapses in ENG and IRE and our LO saved us now it's the other way round.

Mugs like Bilal Asif are wasting number 8 spot.

I'd rather have bowlers from 8-11 who can take wickets although they should be able to help out with a few runs too.

The top order batsmen who are in the team to score runs and failed are the bigger culprits.
 
Faheem has done absolutely nothing in the ODIs to considered a reliable bat.
 
Shadab and amir definitely need to be reintroduced

This collapse is too familar And in many games is the difference between winning and losing

Apart from yasir the rest are hardly world class and irreplaceable
 
If shadab bilal faheem are “all rounders”
Then mashrafe murtaza will lift the world cup next june.
 
The problem is the batting order for the tail.

They really should be:
8. Yasir
9. Shaheen
10. Hassan
11. Bilal
 
The problem is the batting order for the tail.

They really should be:
8. Yasir
9. Shaheen
10. Hassan
11. Bilal

Thats 4 no 11s and a collapse waiting to happen every game

8-9 should at least be able to avge between 15-20 runs each which these dont
 
Thats 4 no 11s and a collapse waiting to happen every game

8-9 should at least be able to avge between 15-20 runs each which these dont
Have seen Yasir who is capable. Shaheen also has a very solid technique and I can see him scoring loads of runs. I agree ideally we need an alrounder in there
 
Ideally...against Saffers
8. Shadab
9. Faheem
10. Abbas
11. Hasan

Or

7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Abbas
10. Afridi
11. Hasan...he bats like no.12, let him.

But most likely...
8. Yasir
9. Abbas
10. Afridi
11. Hasan
 
This is an absolute necessity.

From 315/5 to 348 AO.........

I remember we suffered similar collapses in ENG and IRE and our LO saved us now it's the other way round.

Mugs like Bilal Asif are wasting number 8 spot.

Shadab Khan Can be a good replacement for Bilal asif.

Faheem Ashraf can play as a 4th seamer, however as a 3rd pacer, he has to take more wickets (still early days for him he can develop )

If we play both Shahdab & Faheem than our batting line up becomes very short just 5 batsmen + Sarfraz. And Yasir is still the # 1 spiiner so Shadab cant really replace him.
 
Disagree. If they were in the side, we'd probably be trailing a score of 350 rather than 275. Shadab and, faheem especially, just aren't good enough with the bat.
 
This is an absolute necessity.

From 315/5 to 348 AO.........

I remember we suffered similar collapses in ENG and IRE and our LO saved us now it's the other way round.

Mugs like Bilal Asif are wasting number 8 spot.

If no 1,2 and 6 are walking wickets, what do you expect from the tail? We literally only needed for these muppets to score about 20-30 each to have a decent sized lead. I don't much fancy Bilal but the mug has a 5fer in this very Test, and thus kept Pakistan in a game that we were nearly about to be batted out of.
 
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