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Usman Shiinwari is a pathetic bowler who is still getting chances because of a fluke spell in extreme swinging conditions in a domestic t20 4 yrs ago.

Sohail on the other hand is a good player but he is clearly too old now and well past his prime. He doesn't have the fitness and the energy to play at the top level any more

The he selectors need to ditch these two liabilities and invest in younger bowlers. it is unbelievable how these two are preferred to Junaid who is a proven international bowler

I don't understand PCB's agenda against Junaid. They have tried their best to end his career but he has pulled through with his performances
 
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We should have the same bowling lineup in T20Is that we have in ODIs.

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Shadab/Fahim
Imad
Malik

Rumman as backup pacer. Nawaz and Usama Mir are extra spinners if needed.

Shinwari has been disappointing and doesn't deserve a spot now. Maybe in a couple of years.

Sohail Khan has given some good performances, but he's not good enough anymore.

Agreed about Junaid. Should make a comeback in T20Is.
 
Junaid Khan and wahab deserves to play in front of the home crowd than sohail and usman. But they didn't do their bests to come above usman and sohail in the last PSL.
 
How many chances did Usman get? He just bowled one over today.Sohail Khan and Rumman are the main culprit today
 
Leo23 said:
usman shinwari is a pathetic bowler who is still getting chances because of a fluke spell in extreme swinging conditions in a domestic t20 4 yrs ago.

sohail on the other hand is a good player but he is clearly too old now and well past his prime. he doesn't have the fitness and the energy to play at the top level any more

the selectors need to ditch these two liabilities and invest in younger bowlers. it is unbelievable how these two are preferred to junaid who is a proven international bowler

i don't understand pcb's agenda against junaid. they have tried their best to end his career but he has pulled through with his performances
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Shinwari bowled just one over and it wasnt too bad in terms of his lengths. Amla was too good.
Shinwari was selected based upon his PSL 2 performances where he bowled really well at the end overs.
 
Firebreaker said:
How many chances did Usman get? He just bowled one over today.Sohail Khan and Rumman are the main culprit today
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shinwari has been awful every time he has played for pakistan

he is clearly not international level and he is not even a top domestic bowler

he got lucky due to one spell in which he got misbah out too. that is his only claim to fame but he has been exposed since
 
Titan24 said:
Shinwari bowled just one over and it wasnt too bad in terms of his lengths. Amla was too good.
Shinwari was selected based upon his PSL 2 performances where he bowled really well at the end overs.
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he is not international class but junaid is
 
Leo23 said:
shinwari has been awful every time he has played for pakistan

he is clearly not international level and he is not even a top domestic bowler

he got lucky due to one spell in which he got misbah out too. that is his only claim to fame but he has been exposed since
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So basically, the two matches he played 4 years ago when he was randomly selected out of the blue and one over today... :danish
 
Anyhow sohail Khan needs to be gone as he is a liability in field with old legs, poor fitness and stamina.
 
I know Shinwari only bowled one over, but Rumman and Junaid are better in ODIs and T20Is.
 
Abdullah719 said:
He didn't play for Pakistan in 2014.

How much have you seen him bowl?
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he played t20s vs sri lanka in 2013/2014 after the fluke spell in domestic t20. got hammered.

same series where sharjeel made his debut
 
Abdullah719 said:
He didn't play for Pakistan in 2014.

How much have you seen him bowl?
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and averages 26 on the extremely bowling friendly pakistani fc wickets where even useless trundlers like hammad azam have godly figures

he will never be a success at the international level. mark it.
 
Leo23 said:
and averages 26 on the extremely bowling friendly pakistani fc wickets where even useless trundlers like hammad azam have godly figures

he will never be a success at the international level. mark it.
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Your posts are all over the place.

I am not advocating him being selected for Tests (even though he was one of the top wicket-takers in QeA last year) nor am I bigging him up as some great bowler.

I am saying that your argument which is based on discarding him because of two matches four years ago + one over today, is illogical, specially after he fared quite decently in PSL 2.
 
Usman Shinwari is a poor man's Anwar Ali

And THAT is really saying something!
 
Slog said:
Usman Shinwari is a poor man's Anwar Ali

And THAT is really saying something!
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Yes it is saying something because it isn't true. :srt

Usman in QeA last season: 38 wickets @ 24
Anwar in QeA last season: 10 wickets @ 49

Usman in PSL last season: 6 wickets @ 33, economy 7.6
Anwar in PSL last season: 6 wickets @ 47, economy 9.3

Anwar is a better batsman though.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Yes it is saying something because it isn't true. :srt

Usman in QeA last season: 38 wickets @ 24
Anwar in QeA last season: 10 wickets @ 49

Usman in PSL last season: 6 wickets @ 33, economy 7.6
Anwar in PSL last season: 6 wickets @ 47, economy 9.3

Anwar is a better batsman though.
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Im just basing on the impression I get from watching them play

Dont think Shinwari will ever be top level.
 
Judging by [MENTION=145243]Leo23[/MENTION] 's logic, Smith wouldn't ever be in the Australian team since he started off his career so terribly. Then again I guess he'd be happy about that cos then it'd mean Kohli would be the 'best in all formats' :))
 
Slog said:
Im just basing on the impression I get from watching them play

Dont think Shinwari will ever be top level.
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I don't think he will be top level either, as in a top bowler and a constant presence in Pakistan sides in all three formats. Could be a useful utility option in the shorter formats. Looked to be a good death bowler during PSL.

Anwar has literally nothing going for him with the ball.
 
I think Pakistan can use sohail khan for tests as a back up seamer
 
so Usman bowls 1 over for 10 runs and this is his end:misbah3. Sohail should be out.
 
Leo23 said:
shinwari has been awful every time he has played for pakistan

he is clearly not international level and he is not even a top domestic bowler

he got lucky due to one spell in which he got misbah out too. that is his only claim to fame but he has been exposed since
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Do you watch domestic cricket? Was class throughout PSL and bowled well today.

Takes a talent to rush Amla...but fair enough if 2 boundaries on a flat wicket with baby boundaries is what you make your judgements on.

Good work
 
Usman got schooled by an ATG. No shame in that. Sohail gotta go though.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I don't think he will be top level either, as in a top bowler and a constant presence in Pakistan sides in all three formats. Could be a useful utility option in the shorter formats. Looked to be a good death bowler during PSL.

Anwar has literally nothing going for him with the ball.
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I concur with everything you have written in this thread.

Not sure how people are rubbishing Shinwari based on one over which went for ten, especially given the shots Amla played were quality cricket strokes.
 
Hasan Ali and Amir will take their spots.

Plus, Shinwari didn't get much of a go.
 
The overreactions over one loss are hilarious.

That being said, Sohail Khan shouldn't be on the squad.
 
Too early to say anything about Shinwari - but Sohail Khan is rubbish and needs to be discarded asap.
 
Leo23 said:
i don't understand pcb's agenda against junaid. they have tried their best to end his career but he has pulled through with his performances
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I agree that Junaid needs to come back in the squad as he played well in the Champions Trophy. However, I think it would be difficult for him to find a place in our T20 playing XI. IMO, our bowling attack should comprise of Amir, Hassan, Shadab, Imad, and Raees.

I know many would place Junaid over Raees, but I think Raees has a future in T20 cricket for Pakistan and we should persist with him.
 
Firebreaker said:
How many chances did Usman get? He just bowled one over today.Sohail Khan and Rumman are the main culprit today
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Don't know who backs this guy, one good t20 tournament performance earns him a debut with the Pakistan team... and he gets ripped apart by Kusal Perera... he still bowls that same trash he has been doing since 2013
 
The only sensible posts on this thread are by admins [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] and [MENTION=140417]idrizzy[/MENTION] and may be few others.

Thread itself and some of the posts including the posts by thread creator are without and facts, logics and analysis. :sanga
 
waleed88 said:
Don't know who backs this guy, one good t20 tournament performance earns him a debut with the Pakistan team... and he gets ripped apart by Kusal Perera... he still bowls that same trash he has been doing since 2013
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this

everyone who is saying that he got one over only etc etc are looking at it the wrong way

the fact is that he should not have played international cricket in the first place because he has not done anything to deserve it

he has played very little domestic cricket over the years and his performance has not been exceptional

far deserving bowlers have not gotten chances because of him just because of one spell in excellent bowling conditions

he is not international material at all
 
idrizzy said:
Judging by [MENTION=145243]Leo23[/MENTION] 's logic, Smith wouldn't ever be in the Australian team since he started off his career so terribly. Then again I guess he'd be happy about that cos then it'd mean Kohli would be the 'best in all formats' :))
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smith was a successful batsman in australian domestic

shinwari has been okay and nothing special. besides smith is a rare example. you won't find such players often who have improved so much

can't reward every tom dick harry for mediocrity because of smith. i am ready to have a bet with you that shinwari will never be a success in international cricket and we are wasting our time on him
 
When was the start of Shinwari? :danish

The guy has bowled 6 overs in international cricket - some people seriously need to chill out.

If he performs in domestic cricket then he deserves a call up to the national side just as much as any other bowler out there.

I'm not gonna sit here and claim he is the next Glen McGrath, but to claim that his international career should be over after bowling 6 overs is absolutely absurd and ridiculous.
 
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Usman Khan Shinwari bowled one over yesterday and he is still very young. This is a bit over the top regarding Usman Khan. Sohail Khan did bowl a bad over yesterday but he has worked hard and bowled well in the first game. I don't think he can be dropped now after just one bad performance, despite his age. Anyway, Mickey Arthur defended Sohail Khan after the game yesterday which suggests he is here to stay. I, personally, am a fan of Sohail Khan
 
Bring back Sohail Tanvir. He is better than all those being discussed here and a better bat. All bowlers get hammered by batsmen today in T20s. It all boils down to how consistent you are and Tanvir has proven time and again that he is a decent bowler and has the experience by playing in so many international T20 competitions.
 
Leo23 said:
this

everyone who is saying that he got one over only etc etc are looking at it the wrong way

the fact is that he should not have played international cricket in the first place because he has not done anything to deserve it

he has played very little domestic cricket over the years and his performance has not been exceptional

far deserving bowlers have not gotten chances because of him just because of one spell in excellent bowling conditions

he is not international material at all
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His default line is down the leg side to the right hander, and he gets this big away swing, and sometimes when it doesn't swing that much he looks like a spray gun who just bowls rubbish down the leg side...

and specially during the left and right hand combination he takes a very long time to adjust to a proper line... can't be economical to save his life.

Needs alot of tweeking with his action too... his action increases the chances of his waywardness
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Bring back Sohail Tanvir. He is better than all those being discussed here and a better bat. All bowlers get hammered by batsmen today in T20s. It all boils down to how consistent you are and Tanvir has proven time and again that he is a decent bowler and has the experience by playing in so many international T20 competitions.
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Tanvir's last few international outings are not much to write home about and he is a liability in the field as well as with the bat.

The reason why he's successful in T20 leagues is because domestic batsmen who've never faced him get thrown off by his unorthodox action.
 
Honestly I've never been impressed by Usman Khan Shinwari. He seems a bowler in the mould of Muhammad Sami who can just mindlessly bowl fast and get dispatched to the boundary even faster. Now this kind of bowling may work in Pakistani domestics against low quality bats but not in international cricket.
 
Markhor said:
Tanvir's last few international outings are not much to write home about and he is a liability in the field as well as with the bat.

The reason why he's successful in T20 leagues is because domestic batsmen who've never faced him get thrown off by his unorthodox action.
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Hes a legend in the west indies for that reason alone, first pick in the draft if i am not mistaken?
 
Mickey Arthur must also see something in Usman am sure?!
 
Another chance for Usman but not doing well atm
 
Bowled really well.

Its a graveyard track with a wet ball and a tiny ground. Even Hasan has struggled...
 
Great talent, need to persist with him, 1-26 of his 4 overs. Econ rate of 6.50, which is great for T20 cricket.
 
He's not that bad but he's got no career in ODIs or Tests. A respectable T20 bowler.
 
idrizzy said:
Cos people like to slate a guy over ONE GAME, and don't give them time. Makes zero sense.
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Not even one game. They were slating him after one over.

Unsurprisingly the posters who said this are usually wrong/bitter about most things.
 
Haz95 said:
He's not that bad but he's got no career in ODIs or Tests. A respectable T20 bowler.
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He's a decent backup option, but he there are better bowlers who should be prioritised in the other formats; such as Ehtisham, Bashir etc.
 
bowled well today but i am not convinced that he is a long term option
 
Hiraeth said:
He's a decent backup option, but he there are better bowlers who should be prioritised in the other formats; such as Ehtisham, Bashir etc.
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Agreed..you're not saying anything I didn't already imply.

mmkextreme_1 said:
What makes you say that?
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He hasn't got that persistent relentless line and length you want from a test bowler, nor that major wicket taking ball like Amir or Hasan do nor much talent in terms of swing/seam/pace. He has many different variations in the armoury which work well in T20s because of it's attacking nature. Maybe in ODIs he can get away if he isn't as wayward (even then he has 10 overs to bowl, can't keep using those variations) but it won't work in tests.

It's not a big deal though, there's nothing wrong with being a T20 specialist because he's got potential. It's like Narine the LOI bowler compared (pre chucking) to Narine the test bowler. He's a good option to have as back up but he has no big future in Pakistan like Hasan or Amir do. He's also behind Rumman and Junaid who are currently in the set up as well.
 
Leo23 said:
bowled well today but i am not convinced that he is a long term option
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For now, he is a good option for T20 cricket and can potentially improve his game to play ODI cricket as well (needs to tighten his bowling a bit more for this but definitely can get there).

A bit erratic but now that he is the international setup, I'm hoping he will improve a lot more.
 
mak36 said:
Not even one game. They were slating him after one over.

Unsurprisingly the posters who said this are usually wrong/bitter about most things.
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Why don't people comment after 10 games? The futility of some fans is crazy.
 
Haz95 said:
He hasn't got that persistent relentless line and length you want from a test bowler, nor that major wicket taking ball like Amir or Hasan do nor much talent in terms of swing/seam/pace. He has many different variations in the armoury which work well in T20s because of it's attacking nature. Maybe in ODIs he can get away if he isn't as wayward (even then he has 10 overs to bowl, can't keep using those variations) but it won't work in tests.

It's not a big deal though, there's nothing wrong with being a T20 specialist because he's got potential. It's like Narine the LOI bowler compared (pre chucking) to Narine the test bowler. He's a good option to have as back up but he has no big future in Pakistan like Hasan or Amir do. He's also behind Rumman and Junaid who are currently in the set up as well.
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I think you're being harsh on the youngster by understating him. He's only 22-23 YO, has time on his hands to improve. Sadly in Pakistans case majority of these improvements will happen only if he is around the international setup (ie coaches and other staff).

He is the ingredients to be successful, just needs that extra nudge.
 
The thing I like about him is the control he has on his yorkers, one of the best in recent times.

It can be great for Pakistan if he can deliver these in pressure T20 situations.

For ODIs he needs to work on his swing and seam to be more effective.
 
idrizzy said:
Why don't people comment after 10 games? The futility of some fans is crazy.
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Honestly don't know what these "fans" want. We complain when players are dropped after one game, but then these same "fans" also rubbish a player and call for his head after one game. Do they not see the double standards?!
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
I think you're being harsh on the youngster by understating him. He's only 22-23 YO, has time on his hands to improve. Sadly in Pakistans case majority of these improvements will happen only if he is around the international setup (ie coaches and other staff).

He is the ingredients to be successful, just needs that extra nudge.
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I just don't see anything in him which can make him a potential test bowler. To be fair my assessments usually are harsh, I didn't rate Hasan Ali much till the CT. He should be around the T20 set up for sure, if he does well then ODIs should be his next goal. The sad thing is he's always gonna be Pakistan's B option because he lacks that oomph, however am happy to be proven wrong by him.
 
Haz95 said:
I just don't see anything in him which can make him a potential test bowler. To be fair my assessments usually are harsh, I didn't rate Hasan Ali much till the CT. He should be around the T20 set up for sure, if he does well then ODIs should be his next goal. The sad thing is he's always gonna be Pakistan's B option because he lacks that oomph, however am happy to be proven wrong by him.
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He can go upto 140s, we couldnt see it as there was no speedo meter.
 
mak36 said:
Not even one game. They were slating him after one over.

Unsurprisingly the posters who said this are usually wrong/bitter about most things.
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I said it at the time and I'll say it again. This was a ridiculous thread.
 
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