This West Indies side is mediocre - Make no mistake about that!

[Slog]

Check their record

Average players with little experience

Humiliating that we have lost 2 out of our last three tests against them including in UAE.

What a fall from grace over the last year

 

[Syed1]

Yeah playing at 2 rpo when we were well ahead in the match really came back to hurt us.


All hail King Misbah and his wonderful aggressive approach.

 

[JaDed]

Barbados remains a fortress yet to be bettered by any Asian side - in history.
-CB

Should had drawn though.

 

[MRSN]

They won the game despite no balls, pathetic fielding against Pakistan. Just shows the level of Pakistan team.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

lol Shadab won't be playing a test again anytime soon

 

[Third_Umpire]

Yes, they are a really poor team. Which says something about how poor Pakistan played, or maybe are as a side, that we lost to this Windies team.

 

[Slog]

Who can forget their no balls and dropped catches

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Shafiq should be dropped ASAP

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pakistan's bowling in second innings was atrocious to say the least and our batting in the last innings was horrible. Persisting with yasir from around the wicket for 30 overs was such a dumb move.

 

[jusarrived]

Dont agree completely .
Past 2-3 years I have seen this test side putting up a fight more frequently than the any WI team in past 15+ years . it lacks all the X-factor you normally associate with WI players , but overall can a good Test side .

 

[SamNJ]

Completely agree. Their players are bang average.
One thing I would give them is they all seem to be trying to put their wholehearted efforts.

 

[Slog]

Dont agree completely .
Past 2-3 years I have seen this test side putting up a fight more frequently than the any WI team in past 15+ years . it lacks all the X-factor you normally associate with WI players , but overall can a good Test side .

So they are honest triers

Big woof!

 

[Syed1]

The only silver lining is the next test is Misbah and Younis's last.

 

[sharon javed]

The only silver lining is the next test is Misbah and Younis's last.

Inshahallah, the happiest day of my life

 

[Mamoon]

Only if we had the tactical genius Waqar. Would have inflicted record-breaking defeats over these three Tests.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Only if we had the tactical genius Waqar. Would have inflicted record-breaking defeats over these three Tests.

What ?

Who believes such nonsense.

 

[Mamoon]

What ?

Who believes such nonsense.

OP. He blames Mickey for our slump, because Waqar was obviously not going to lose matches outside UAE/Asia. We would have won in England, Australia, NZ and the Caribbean with Waqar leading the troops.

 

[majiz]

at least WI have strong and quick right arm fast bowlers tho (unlike pak), which every team needs.

 

[srh]

their batting is weak but any bowling with Gabriel, Joseph and Bishoo cannot be called weak; overall an above average team

 

[Slog]

Only if we had the tactical genius Waqar. Would have inflicted record-breaking defeats over these three Tests.

Yeah we wouldn't have lost six out of seven including to pathetic Windies in UAE

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Time to add 'not' before 'mediocre' in the thread title.

 

[Slog]

Time to add 'not' before 'mediocre' in the thread title.

Stop giving fake tasallee

This West Indies team is uber mediocre

 

[MRSN]

Stop giving fake tasallee

This West Indies team is uber mediocre

Gabriel 11 runs 5 wickets 1 Economy rate

those are world class numbers

 

[KyoOne]

Misbah has been nuisance for the team for the last half an year or so. What batting strategy was that? In bowling he did not set attacking fields nor did he throw ball to Shadab despite he being a better googly bowler than Yasir

 

[Slog]

Gabriel 11 runs 5 wickets 1 Economy rate

those are world class numbers

We've singlehandedly brought his average under 40

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Neither Mickey, nor Misbah are responsible for this defeat.

This team is just not good enough. We have one batsman in the team who can consistently bat above a SR of 50, and he's your #7 who you can never rely upon.

The mental midget Shafiq hasn't progressed one bit despite all his experience.

We need to move away from this 4-bowler strategy as well. We suffered at Edgbaston and we suffered in this match again.

One man isn't the problem. The team simply isn't good enough. We can't win a match without Yasir taking a fifer, that shows how ineffective or impact-less the other bowlers have been.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Their batting is pretty poor - players like Singh, Hetmyr, Dowrich, Powell do not even have great first class figures.

 

[Sadevdesai]

We now have our tails, firmly between the legs, for the 3rd Test Match ..... Help !!!!!!

 

[Abid Z]

There is one fantastic characteristic of this windies team that Pakistan lacks. Tall, accurate right arm pacers!

Pakistani batsmen can only ever play the ball that bounces shin high. If we ever face a bowler that is able to bounce the ball high from a good length AND for good measure get a little bit of sideways movement then we are just sitting ducks. That's the only relevant factor in this debate. Doesn't matter where we play, this "mediocre" windies team is always going to present us with this challenge.

 

[Haz95]

Complete bullchit.

The same was said about the thrashing of Pakistan by the 'inexperienced' Australian side who gave India in India a run for their money.

 

[Markhor]

Their batting is pretty poor - players like Singh, Hetmyr, Dowrich, Powell do not even have great first class figures.

That's because of the lousy pitches they produce in domestic - they make even good batsmen look mediocre. Fluent scoring is not easy as tracks excessively favour spin.

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistani team is in transition phase you guys need to settle for a core and help them build in next 2 years and then you should see some good progress.. Happens to everyone India was in transitional phase when we lost to England in India and couple of years later we became world beaters atleast at home..

 

[Markhor]

Only if we had the tactical genius Waqar. Would have inflicted record-breaking defeats over these three Tests.

Exactly, Arthur has been unlucky he's taken over at a time when Pakistan has faced one away tour after another in quick succession. He wasn't able to pad his stats in Asia unlike his successor.

This was a tough track with uneven bounce, I'm not saying it was an 81 all out pitch - we were pathetic today - but it was very hard to get settled as a batsman. WI pitches are notorious for such surfaces.

I swear the impression you get from these Waqar fans is under Waqar not only did we win the cricket World Cup, but the Ryder Cup, the Grand National, UEFA Champions League and FIFA World Cup.

Pakistan have crumbled in the 4th innings of a Test before and they'll do it again, Arthur or no Arthur.

 

[Slog]

Exactly, Arthur has been unlucky he's taken over at a time when Pakistan has faced one away tour after another in quick succession. He wasn't able to pad his stats in Asia unlike his successor.

This was a tough track with uneven bounce, I'm not saying it was an 81 all out pitch - we were pathetic today - but it was very hard to get settled as a batsman. WI pitches are notorious for such surfaces.

I swear the impression you get from these Waqar fans is under Waqar not only did we win the cricket World Cup, but the Ryder Cup, the Grand National, UEFA Champions League and FIFA World Cup.

Pakistan have crumbled in the 4th innings of a Test before and they'll do it again, Arthur or no Arthur.

Arthur's been around for a year now. Suggest you stop making excuses now

Under him we even struggled in UAE against a trash side regardless of how much you try to deny it

 

[Syed1]

Exactly, Arthur has been unlucky he's taken over at a time when Pakistan has faced one away tour after another in quick succession. He wasn't able to pad his stats in Asia unlike his successor.

This was a tough track with uneven bounce, I'm not saying it was an 81 all out pitch - we were pathetic today - but it was very hard to get settled as a batsman. WI pitches are notorious for such surfaces.

I swear the impression you get from these Waqar fans is under Waqar not only did we win the cricket World Cup, but the Ryder Cup, the Grand National, UEFA Champions League and FIFA World Cup.

Pakistan have crumbled in the 4th innings of a Test before and they'll do it again, Arthur or no Arthur.

I read that post and all I see is excuse, excuse, excuse... I wonder when will be the right time to start blaming Arthur. He is over one year in his tenure. That is sufficient time to start taking some responsibility.

 

[Haz95]

Arthur's been around for a year now. Suggest you stop making excuses now

Under him we even struggled in UAE against a trash side regardless of how much you try to deny it

Rather than blaming Arthur, why don't you look at the real reason Pakistan has been failing.

Lack of Yasir impact. To win a game, Yasir MUST fire because Pakistan is a mediocre bowling unit bar him so blame a lack of Mushtaq for the downfall of mediocre Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

Rather than blaming Arthur, why don't you look at the real reason Pakistan has been failing.

Lack of Yasir impact. To win a game, Yasir MUST fire because Pakistan is a mediocre bowling unit bar him so blame a lack of Mushtaq for the downfall of mediocre Pakistan.

Yes seven wickets in an innings is not impact

Generally you are right though. But again its failure of team management to come up with even a Half baked Plan B in case Yasir doesn't fire

Terrible tactics, selection and game plan.

 

[Hasan123]

Yes because if Waqar lost you would find a million excuses for him. Waqar couldn't be a mediocre West Indies in 2011.

All the team is to blame for the defeat.

 

[Slog]

I read that post and all I see is excuse, excuse, excuse... I wonder when will be the right time to start blaming Arthur. He is over one year in his tenure. That is sufficient time to start taking some responsibility.

The same people were jumping up and down giving Mickey Arthur credit for England away series draw and saying its down to him )

Seems like the Mickey Arthur effect works in reverse. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

 

[Slog]

Yes because if Waqar lost you would find a million excuses for him. Waqar couldn't be a mediocre West Indies in 2011.

All the team is to blame for the defeat.

Again stop making excuses for Mickey Arthur. All I see are excuses for a guy a year into his tenure

 

[Haz95]

Yes seven wickets in an innings is not impact

Generally you are right though. But again its failure of team management to come up with even a Half baked Plan B in case Yasir doesn't fire

Terrible tactics, selection and game plan.

I was talking about losing in the UAE. While Yasir was among the wickets, he was clearly off colour if you watched him bowl. ATM it's due to trash like Shafiq pakistan is failing...you know it doesn't hurt to at least show up once in 5 innings. What can Arthur do about Shafiq still playing like he's in his first year of cricket? He's a coach, not a psychiatrist for the vegetable Shafiq.

 

[Hasan123]

Again stop making excuses for Mickey Arthur. All I see are excuses for a guy a year into his tenure

I haven't even made an excuse for Mickey LOL.

You somehow need to use Arthur's defeats to make Waqar some Pep Guirdola of cricket ).

The whole cricketing world has seen that Waqar isn't good enough as a captain or coach.

 

[Markhor]

Arthur's been around for a year now. Suggest you stop making excuses now

Under him we even struggled in UAE against a trash side regardless of how much you try to deny it

Firstly, we beat WI comfortably in the first two Tests in the UAE. They were never going to chase 350+ in Dubai, plus that was experimental pink ball Test which was doing nothing even on Day 5. In Sharjah we got complacent, but yes it was a poor result.

Secondly, the limitations of this team means we are going to shell a Test to the likes of WI from time to time as we just don't have the ruthlessness or quality to consistently steamroller inferior opposition like top sides of the past. A lack of a 5th bowler is a major factor - but Arthur can't sacrifice a batsman for an AR because our batting is so goddamn fragile.

Thirdly, a coach is defined by the structure around him. What's Arthur meant to do when Ahmed Shehzad played as selfishly as he did in the 1st innings ? How's Arthur going to transform a mental midget like Asad Shafiq who's failed to develop into the consistent batsman we expected to see after 7 years of investment even at the age of 31 ?

What's he meant to do when he loses two of our most explosive LOI openers to spot-fixing ? Or when Inzy, who seems to be stuck in 2007, is lumbering him with TTFs like Kamran Akmal ? Or when you have unqualified leeches like Shakil Shaikh running domestic cricket into the ground ?

Arthur is not being given the tools to succeed. But the next few months will be a big test for him, I want to see how he comes back from this, starting with the Dominica Test.

 

[Markhor]

The same people were jumping up and down giving Mickey Arthur credit for England away series draw and saying its down to him )

Seems like the Mickey Arthur effect works in reverse. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

I never said that and did give Waqar some credit for laying down some of the groundwork for England series.

However Waqar fans also show their hypocrisy when ALL the credit for England Test series apparently goes to Waqar, but ALL of the blame for England ODI series defeat goes to Arthur.

Or when ALL the credit for 2012 Test whitewash vs England goes to Waqar, but the 4-0 ODI whitewash vs England conveniently gets placed on Mohsin even though it was Waqar's team.

 

[MRSN]

Firstly, we beat WI comfortably in the first two Tests in the UAE. They were never going to chase 350+ in Dubai, plus that was experimental pink ball Test which was doing nothing even on Day 5. In Sharjah we got complacent, but yes it was a poor result.

Secondly, the limitations of this team means we are going to shell a Test to the likes of WI from time to time as we just don't have the ruthlessness or quality to consistently steamroller inferior opposition like top sides of the past. A lack of a 5th bowler is a major factor - but Arthur can't sacrifice a batsman for an AR because our batting is so goddamn fragile.

Thirdly, a coach is defined by the structure around him. What's Arthur meant to do when Ahmed Shehzad played as selfishly as he did in the 1st innings ? How's Arthur going to transform a mental midget like Asad Shafiq who's failed to develop into the consistent batsman we expected to see after 7 years of investment even at the age of 31 ?

What's he meant to do when he loses two of our most explosive LOI openers to spot-fixing ? Or when Inzy, who seems to be stuck in 2007, is lumbering him with TTFs like Kamran Akmal ? Or when you have unqualified leeches like Shakil Shaikh running domestic cricket into the ground ?

Arthur is not being given the tools to succeed. But the next few months will be a big test for him, I want to see how he comes back from this, starting with the Dominica Test.

Mickey Arthur was literally furious when Misbah and Azhar were putting block show on the third day morning. I don't think Mickey has things under control and he is waiting for Misbah and Yk to leave so he can take charge of things.

 

[Slog]

Firstly, we beat WI comfortably in the first two Tests in the UAE. They were never going to chase 350+ in Dubai, plus that was experimental pink ball Test which was doing nothing even on Day 5. In Sharjah we got complacent, but yes it was a poor result.

Secondly, the limitations of this team means we are going to shell a Test to the likes of WI from time to time as we just don't have the ruthlessness or quality to consistently steamroller inferior opposition like top sides of the past. A lack of a 5th bowler is a major factor - but Arthur can't sacrifice a batsman for an AR because our batting is so goddamn fragile.

Thirdly, a coach is defined by the structure around him. What's Arthur meant to do when Ahmed Shehzad played as selfishly as he did in the 1st innings ? How's Arthur going to transform a mental midget like Asad Shafiq who's failed to develop into the consistent batsman we expected to see after 7 years of investment even at the age of 31 ?

What's he meant to do when he loses two of our most explosive LOI openers to spot-fixing ? Or when Inzy, who seems to be stuck in 2007, is lumbering him with TTFs like Kamran Akmal ? Or when you have unqualified leeches like Shakil Shaikh running domestic cricket into the ground ?

Arthur is not being given the tools to succeed. But the next few months will be a big test for him, I want to see how he comes back from this, starting with the Dominica Test.

Again excuses. Long list yOu have there

Waqar and other coaches had similar and arguably bigger extenuating circumstances including banned players as well. Waqar esp was forced to take players to tours and tournament even though he had expressly asked certain players not to be picked. Arthur is Atleast not handed folks he doesn't want. Your and others' standard response at the time was that if Waqar thinks he isn't being given the team and mandate he wants them he should resign

So don't change your tune and change your standards. If you think Arthur is not being given the tools to succeed ask for his resignation aswell.

In any case Arthur is getting a better deal that he isn't being forced to take players he doesn't want

 

[Slog]

I never said that and did give Waqar some credit for laying down some of the groundwork for England series.

However Waqar fans also show their hypocrisy when ALL the credit for England Test series apparently goes to Waqar, but ALL of the blame for England ODI series defeat goes to Arthur.

Or when ALL the credit for 2012 Test whitewash vs England goes to Waqar, but the 4-0 ODI whitewash vs England conveniently gets placed on Mohsin even though it was Waqar's team.

No one does that. Literally no credible poster does that

I know it's a tough time for Arthur fans but you need to stop manufacturing lies. No Waqar fan gives him a clean chit for ODIs

In fact it's your lot which gives Mohsin and Mickey credit for test success but ODI failures are on Waqar indefinitely

 

[Slog]

I was talking about losing in the UAE. While Yasir was among the wickets, he was clearly off colour if you watched him bowl. ATM it's due to trash like Shafiq pakistan is failing...you know it doesn't hurt to at least show up once in 5 innings. What can Arthur do about Shafiq still playing like he's in his first year of cricket? He's a coach, not a psychiatrist for the vegetable Shafiq.

Why doesn't Arthur have the balls to drop him then?

He's a blunder machine

Picks Nawaz as an all rounder lol. Then shadab

Botches batting lineup with shafiq and Babar handling. Plays shafiq up the order in England and he does well scoring a century and then fifty against Windies. But has one bad test and he puts him back to number 6.

His handling of Babar has been atrocious as well.

 

[Markhor]

Again excuses. Long list yOu have there

Waqar and other coaches had similar and arguably bigger extenuating circumstances including banned players as well. Waqar esp was forced to take players to tours and tournament even though he had expressly asked certain players not to be picked. Arthur is Atleast not handed folks he doesn't want. Your and others' standard response at the time was that if Waqar thinks he isn't being given the team and mandate he wants them he should resign

So don't change your tune and change your standards. If you think Arthur is not being given the tools to succeed ask for his resignation aswell.

In any case Arthur is getting a better deal that he isn't being forced to take players he doesn't want

And I agreed Waqar was being treated wrongly when Akmal and Shehzad were forced into the squad against his will.

Arthur should walk if not given the authority to make the required changes and save himself a lot of headaches from working in this unprofessional system, he can land a better job elsewhere (I know you disagree with that).

However the difference is Waqar had two tenures, the first ending in 2011 due to these clashes in selection. Yet he STILL takes up the coaching job again in 2014, what changed ? He should've demanded full authority over selection before accepting the job instead of complaining afterwards.

Waqar also has a history of poor man management skills dating back to his captaincy days and showed inability to identify talent as coach. If Arthur is given more authority I'd trust him to make better use of it.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I don't really blame the batting for the fourth innings collapse. We have fallen like a pack of cards on featherbeds in Australia, England, New Zealand and the UAE in the last 12 months under less pressure than today. This match was lost yesterday when we allowed WI to score about 60 runs too many. Not many sides have chased over 180 on a 5th day wicket, and it's because the pitches become generally treacherous and batting requires a great deal of skill and application to actually score runs. It's a true measure of your ability and temperament. Needless to say, our batsmen don't possess the latter and too little of the former.

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan - the best Asian test side - would annihilate the Indians - Ppers

 

[amvbfm]

Check their record

Average players with little experience

Humiliating that we have lost 2 out of our last three tests against them including in UAE.

What a fall from grace over the last year

That's grossly unfair. It in a way implies that we lost ourselves and not because they played better cricket, which while true to a certain degree, takes away a lot from what was a wonderful performance by them in the 3rd and 4th innings.

This Windies team might not be as talented as those of the 80s or 90s or even recent ones featuring T20 greats but what makes it more competitive than many of its predecessors is its spine. A lot of the Windies teams of the past would have folded in the 3rd innings after conceding a lead or even worse seemed totally uninterested in the game. I've seen far more talented Windies batting units collapse under less testing circumstances over the last 2 decades. But these inexperienced players have shown great promise and application. Chase in the first innings and more importantly Hope's wonderful innings in the third were both high quality efforts. Pakistan threw everything they had at him on a deteriorating pitch but he held firm.You are calling them mediocre based on their lack of experience which is not just flawed but also unfair. Credit must be given where it is due and this Windies team has shown that it is not a pushover.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

That's grossly unfair. It in a way implies that we lost ourselves and not because they played better cricket, which while true to a certain degree, takes away a lot from what was a wonderful performance by them in the 3rd and 4th innings.

Exactly. It's a horrible attitude fans have. Always looking to lay the whole blame on their team's failings instead of acknowledging the opposition.

WI played well and deserved to win. That post seemed to imply they fluked it purely because Pakistan were horrible.

WI beat Eng two years ago, last year made India work extremely hard, beat Pak in UAE and have now beaten Pak at home. They have some very promising players.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Yeah but last day it was pak's batting which was mediocre

 

[MRSN]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] was chase innings mediocre as well? How do you rate his innings?

 

[amvbfm]

Exactly. It's a horrible attitude fans have. Always looking to lay the whole blame on their team's failings instead of acknowledging the opposition.

WI played well and deserved to win. That post seemed to imply they fluked it purely because Pakistan were horrible.

WI beat Eng two years ago, last year made India work extremely hard, beat Pak in UAE and have now beaten Pak at home. They have some very promising players.

Indeed. There are a lot of intangibles that are being ignored. Two of the biggest problems with recent Windies sides imo were mental weakness and negative attitude. Get a lead and 9 times out of 10 you would expect them to fold or even become uninterested halfway through the match. These players are slowly changing that (did happen in the first match). Also a lack of experience is making people ignore the promise and talent that players like Brathwaite, Hope, Dowrich and Chase have. They may not be exceptionally gifted, but have good techniques, positive attitudes and put a price on their wickets.

 

[leatherface58]

West Indies are not a great side but this is a disrespectful thread especially since it is by a fan of the team who got steamrolled by this side. You don't bury a team who has humiliated your side like this.

 

[kukkad kamaal]

West Indies are not a great side but this is a disrespectful thread especially since it is by a fan of the team who got steamrolled by this side. You don't bury a team who has humiliated your side like this.

Exactly my thoughts

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

West Indies are not a great side but this is a disrespectful thread especially since it is by a fan of the team who got steamrolled by this side. You don't bury a team who has humiliated your side like this.

Some fans,you really can't hold them to degrade themselves.

 

[khurram39]

Yes at the moment but they are sticky with their side will be fruitful after 2 or 3 years.

 

[Slog]

West Indies are not a great side but this is a disrespectful thread especially since it is by a fan of the team who got steamrolled by this side. You don't bury a team who has humiliated your side like this.

I'm 'burying' my team

 

[shaz619]

West Indies are not a great side but this is a disrespectful thread especially since it is by a fan of the team who got steamrolled by this side. You don't bury a team who has humiliated your side like this.

It has not been created to bury WI's but to put over Waqar Younis and bury Mickey.

Pak have been average in recent times but WI's deserve credit for the way they've played as well.

 

[Slog]

England showing worth of these no-hopers

 

[Pakpak]

We lost 2 Tests to this garbage side

 

[Haroon786]

Think everyone agrees that there is no way Pakistan should've lost 2 Tests to WI, but we all know the hidden agenda behind the OP and quite sadly not sure why such thread ideas can not be made by posters who don't have such subjectivity in their posts.

 

[Amjid Javed]

W.I have been on decline in tests and ODIs since the late 90s! so failures now is no shock! when they are competitive and win games its more of a shock.

 

[Slog]

It has not been created to bury WI's but to put over Waqar Younis and bury Mickey.

Pak have been average in recent times but WI's deserve credit for the way they've played as well.

Think everyone agrees that there is no way Pakistan should've lost 2 Tests to WI, but we all know the hidden agenda behind the OP and quite sadly not sure why such thread ideas can not be made by posters who don't have such subjectivity in their posts.

If I wanted to purely 'bury' Mickey then I wouldve attacked him on Umar Akmal story and his history of falling out with team members like Clarke in Aus or Smith in SA

Besides his sorry Test record is enough to 'bury' him

 

[Slog]

W.I have been on decline in tests and ODIs since the late 90s! so failures now is no shock! when they are competitive and win games its more of a shock.

how do you Pakistan losing 2 back to back tests to this lot

 

[Buffet]

how do you Pakistan losing 2 back to back tests to this lot

Well, If Pakistan can lose against an un-ranked side who were not getting paid then why can't they lose against 2 tests specially when one of those losses came in WI. WI is pretty decent at home. I think mainly losing a test in UAE should be criticized.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

No bump. I wonder why

 

[Rayyman]

No bump. I wonder why

This thread is just Slog trying to make Mickey Arthur sound bad and Waqar trying to sound good.

 

[PakLFC]

This West Indies side is the worst I have ever seen. They are giving no one any competition at all anymore. Really, the collapse is so dramatic that they should consider quitting Cricket altogether.

 

[Abdullah719]

This West Indies side is the worst I have ever seen. They are giving no one any competition at all anymore. Really, the collapse is so dramatic that they should consider quitting Cricket altogether.

Sarcasm?

 

[CanadianG00se]

current Windies team have the talent to succeed in test. However they just need to be consistent. On their day, they can beat any team and the next will fold without any fight.

 

[PakLFC]

Sarcasm?

No I am serious. Have never seen any sporting team collapse like they have.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] - Make no mistake, this Windies team is not as mediocre as you make out.

We still won these two series BTW.

 

[Abdullah719]

No I am serious. Have never seen any sporting team collapse like they have.

I hope you can see why I thought you were being sarcastic. They played awfully in the first Test and deserved criticism but it's ridiculous to say they should 'quit cricket'.

 

[troodon]

WI are a mediocre team capable to punching way above their range once in a blue moon.

The way WI got demolished by India in their own backyard was just an indication.

I consider this win against England a fluke. WI will be back to their mediocre best the next Test and will try hard to lose the Test by a huge margin.

 

[Abdullah719]

WI are a mediocre team capable to punching way above their range once in a blue moon.

The way WI got demolished by India in their own backyard was just an indication.

I consider this win against England a fluke. WI will be back to their mediocre best the next Test and will try hard to lose the Test by a huge margin.

You do realise how inexperienced this team is?

Once they start playing Test cricket regularly then the consistency should come. They have the potential to be a solid side that competes with other teams on a regular basis.

 

[troodon]

You do realise how inexperienced this team is?

Once they start playing Test cricket regularly then the consistency should come. They have the potential to be a solid side that competes with other teams on a regular basis.

I am not talking about the future potential of WI team. I am only talking about the current state of WI team.

WI is still a mediocre team with some talent. When all the stars align, they can take down big boys. But the stars do not align every match. Most of the times, either batting or bowling or fielding or all of them fail miserably. Once every 10-15 Tests, they pull out miracles.

The future is bright though. They need to improve their bowling.