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Junaids

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To say that I am unimpressed by India is a vast understatement.

If they are good enough to have won their last 2 series in Australia they should have been good enough to beat them in England. But their disrespect for the highest form of the game undid them yet again.

Predictably they turned up far too late to prepare for the World Test Championship Final.

They then made fools of themselves by inserting the opposition at The Oval, of all places, when everyone knows that in England the only places you EVER insert the opposition are (rarely) Trent Bridge and Headingley. (To be fair, the not-too-smart Aussies were going to make the same schoolboy error).

And then what happened?

A bunch of thirty-somethings who have spent a lifetime losing in England, New Zealand and South Africa performed the way they always have.

Rohit Sharma!
Cheteshwar Pujara!
Virat Kohli!
Ajinka Rahane!
Ravendra Jadeja!
Mohmmad Shami!
Umesh Yadav!

Let me remind you all of what happened in England in 2018.

A young, inexperienced Pakistan team had to play in the same damp, early summer conditions and drew 1-1.

The same Indian players who lost in 2023 - with far more talent and experience than that Pakistan team - then lost 4-1 in much easier conditions.

Why? The Pakistanis arrived early and acclimatised. They practised in a local park, then played a Test in Ireland.

Then again, there is an alternative. Play T20 clown cricket until the eve of the World Test Championship, pick a geriatric team of serial overseas losers, and then insert the opposition on England's fastest, bounciest pitch when the sun is predicted to shine after Lunch.

I was horrified when I learned that even the so-called "young" fast bowler Diraj is already 29 years old. But surely India must have some good young red-ball cricketers. They can't recycle these old men forever. Can they?
 
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Pakistan generally does well in England.

India does better than Pakistan in Australia.

And yes, Indian team is old and needs change of guard.

But they will win more often than not outside of England and perhaps NZ.
 
Can't believe I'm saying this but have to agree with Junaids here.

More than half of our test side is atleast 3 years past the expiry date and on top of that, they decide to approach the game with absolute minimal acclimatization and red ball practice.

We performed much better in the 2021 final thanks to IPL getting cut short due to rise in COVID and the team arrived much much earlier and got used to the conditions.
 
No matter how much you try to downplay our 2 Test series victory in Australia, it'll remain a fact in history. And no matter how much you try to big up the Pak team, they still holds the record of losing every single Test match they have played in Australia since 1995 :)))
 
Sharma needs to retire.

Make Kohli the captain.

Replace Umesh Yadav with Umran Malik.

Bharat out for Sarfaraz Khan

Some of the obvious changes that need to be made.
 
Coming to the team - Rohit , Pujara , Umesh, Shami and Bharath should immediately be removed from the side. None of these guys will be anywhere near their best at the end of the next cycle so no point carrying them. Kohli isn't going anywhere for obvious reasons and Rahane deserves atleast another series after what he did in the final.

My XI for the West Indies tour will be -

Jaiswal
Gill
Easwaran
Kohli
Rahane
Jadeja
Kishan
Ashwin
Siraj
Shardul
Mukesh
 
Yes, it does seem our team is dependent upon freak performances from guys like Bumrah Siraj Pant Jadeja not having 2 of them has finally exposed the entire team.

The biggest issue is our bowling ever since Kohli Bharat Arun have lost the charge , I don’t feel confident to win a test anymore.
 
team is missing ishant s dry spells when the ball is doing not hot.other paces leaks runs during these periods and the game changes hands during these period...

dravid needs for go. hire moody .
 
To say that I am unimpressed by India is a vast understatement.

Why? The Pakistanis arrived early and acclimatised. They practised in a local park, then played a Test in Ireland.
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How has that formula worked out in Australia for Pakistan ?
 
might aswell dismantle the whole nation

Pakistan did well because they had Misbah and his experience, and Younis was also performing by the end of the series aswell. India has no batter than can bat for long innings or stay at his wicket outside on a flat track
 
The OP has listed all the passengers in the team. It needs a complete rehaul. I am sure there are replacements that while not completely ready, will do well over time.

The problem though is, the level of interest in the test format of fans, BCCI and the players in India. The level of interest in the format is taking a deep dive downward by the day.

I am sure IPL over international cricket is not that far away for majority of the Indian fans. The cricket landscape is changing. In fact, I would like to see the numbers on the IPL vs. WTC finals. Which one had more Indian fans tuned in.

I do not think the "Big3" - Fans, BCCI and the Players care about tests enough anymore. Which will lead to a decline in Indian test team going forward. BCCI will play a lot tests in the near future, but will taper off over the next 15 years or so. The decline in Indian interest in test cricket will have a huge impact for the format. Very unfortunate, but that is the reality of the world we live in.

So essentially, there will only be Aus and Eng playing tests in 15-20 years time. While India could be one of 2-3 teams making up the numbers. Most others would have already stopped playing.

The decline has already started and most Indian fans couldn't care less.
 
How come the OP hasn't listed the IPL heroine Gill?

He is KL Rahul in a new bottle and should be the first to be booted out.
 
You can replace the entire team with a fresh bunch of players but I doubt it will make much difference.
Remember this is the team that delayed the final test match in 2021, jumped on an awaiting private plane just to make sure they can participate in the IPL due to some trainer potentially being positive for covid.
 
Junaids, do not worry about minnows like India. Please tell us more about how the greatest team in the world Pakistan will win the next WTC and Shadab will score more runs than Steve Smith and take more wickets than Shane Warne.
 
Coming to the team - Rohit , Pujara , Umesh, Shami and Bharath should immediately be removed from the side. None of these guys will be anywhere near their best at the end of the next cycle so no point carrying them. Kohli isn't going anywhere for obvious reasons and Rahane deserves atleast another series after what he did in the final.

My XI for the West Indies tour will be -

Jaiswal
Gill
Easwaran
Kohli
Rahane
Jadeja
Kishan
Ashwin
Siraj
Shardul
Mukesh

Shreyas Iyer or Hanuma Vihari should come in place of Rahane, I think.

And it is sad we don't have a quality opener for tests. Gill has proven to be rubbish.
 
Ahahaha I love you Junaids
India are rubbish yeaaaah Pakistan are amazing we beat Australia, england and...
Oh wait we lost to them at home but chalo
ATLEAST INDIA LOST
 
Coming to the team - Rohit , Pujara , Umesh, Shami and Bharath should immediately be removed from the side. None of these guys will be anywhere near their best at the end of the next cycle so no point carrying them. Kohli isn't going anywhere for obvious reasons and Rahane deserves atleast another series after what he did in the final.

My XI for the West Indies tour will be -

Jaiswal
Gill
Easwaran
Kohli
Rahane
Jadeja
Kishan
Ashwin
Siraj
Shardul
Mukesh

Is Mukesh the same guy that played in IPL? If so, a big Noooooo for him. He is a trundler and worse than Unadkat. Shami is still good until we find the replacement. Arshdeep needs a run in Test Cricket.

Rahane is done man. He will be 36 soon. No need of oldies hogging space in the team.

India needs to play only 2 pacers. Shami/Arshdeep and Siraj. All 3 spinners must play. Axar/Jaddu/Ashwin must play. They are pretty decent in SENA and they are better than most of the top order batsmen.

I have seen Easwaran play. He is average.
 
Shreyas Iyer or Hanuma Vihari should come in place of Rahane, I think.

And it is sad we don't have a quality opener for tests. Gill has proven to be rubbish.

Iyer cannot play short ball and Vihari is rubbish. He is a replica of Rahane at his best. His strike rate is also pathetic.
 
Let's not go overboard. India has been by far the most successful test team over the past 5-7 years, being unbeatable in Asia, Australia, and the West Indies while drawing in England and winning a match every time in South Africa.

Apart from Pakistan, the last time Australia won a test series away from home was in 2016. It's not easy to win away from home. India's record of 2-1 in Australia, 2-2 in England, and 1-2 in South Africa is very good in comparison.
 
India has been successful due to pant bumrah ashwin jadeja and axar . 4/5 didn’t play .. go figure .

Don’t forget ishant . He served india well and was discarded though he still bowls well .
 
How has that formula worked out in Australia for Pakistan ?
To be fair, the parks are always crowded in Australia as compared to England and thus Pakistan has not been able to really practice properly in Aus.

That's why all test wins since 1995 for Pakistan have been parked ( pun intended) in Aus.
 
Let's not go overboard. India has been by far the most successful test team over the past 5-7 years, being unbeatable in Asia, Australia, and the West Indies while drawing in England and winning a match every time in South Africa.

Apart from Pakistan, the last time Australia won a test series away from home was in 2016. It's not easy to win away from home. India's record of 2-1 in Australia, 2-2 in England, and 1-2 in South Africa is very good in comparison.


They are supposed to be the best team.

Imagine having a proper test match schedule, repeated exposure to Pig 3 series, getting to completely ignore the minnows, and having a big player pool where they can rest and rotate with ease thanks to doctored pitches where nobody else can win.

Yet they repeatedly fail when it matters. This is because Indian cricket is obsessed with signing cheques and the matter of actually winning anything is an afterthought.
 
Indian selection is controlled by Marketing agencies. Everyone has 12 or 13 sponsors. Some more. So they will do anything to keep them relevant at international level that probably including bribing of selectors. They have to reitre themselves. Just watch twitter how each player especially guy like Rohit has bots running for him. Rohit is not even remotely popular like Kohli, Dhoni. But if you look at twitter you will think he has a massive fan club. They absolutely don't have to play tests they can happily retire as they have amassed wealth that will be good for next 100 generations. Guys like Sarfraz have to slog in domestic until these oldies leave on their own. Bragging about India's achievement is false bravado. Rishab Pant, bowlers, spinning all rounders did 90% of the work to get India to where they are. The oldie batting has been failing for the last 3 or 4 years. THey average in 20s overseas for last 3 years. Yet they keep on playing. Nobody can stop this charade. They have to go on their own.
 
To say that I am unimpressed by India is a vast understatement.

If they are good enough to have won their last 2 series in Australia they should have been good enough to beat them in England. But their disrespect for the highest form of the game undid them yet again.

Predictably they turned up far too late to prepare for the World Test Championship Final.

They then made fools of themselves by inserting the opposition at The Oval, of all places, when everyone knows that in England the only places you EVER insert the opposition are (rarely) Trent Bridge and Headingley. (To be fair, the not-too-smart Aussies were going to make the same schoolboy error).

And then what happened?

A bunch of thirty-somethings who have spent a lifetime losing in England, New Zealand and South Africa performed the way they always have.

Rohit Sharma!
Cheteshwar Pujara!
Virat Kohli!
Ajinka Rahane!
Ravendra Jadeja!
Mohmmad Shami!
Umesh Yadav!

Let me remind you all of what happened in England in 2018.

A young, inexperienced Pakistan team had to play in the same damp, early summer conditions and drew 1-1.

The same Indian players who lost in 2023 - with far more talent and experience than that Pakistan team - then lost 4-1 in much easier conditions.

Why? The Pakistanis arrived early and acclimatised. They practised in a local park, then played a Test in Ireland.

Then again, there is an alternative. Play T20 clown cricket until the eve of the World Test Championship, pick a geriatric team of serial overseas losers, and then insert the opposition on England's fastest, bounciest pitch when the sun is predicted to shine after Lunch.

I was horrified when I learned that even the so-called "young" fast bowler Diraj is already 29 years old. But surely India must have some good young red-ball cricketers. They can't recycle these old men forever. Can they?

Naw, you are worrying too much and also treating them like robots.

IMO, that’s the best possible Test team that India can have from the available pool.

The primary issue behind the defeat is the ill prep for the test WC match.

All players were in full T20 mode, both physically and mentally. All of them (except for Pujara perhaps) were drained out and tired. They didn’t have much of a spark and passion left due to the freshly IPL grind.

You can’t turn off the T20 switch and turn into test mode overnight, and you can’t keep on playing continuously - because again, you are not a robot.

What India needed was proper planning and prep for this game , they should’ve given the players much needed rest and time transition from T20 mode to Test mode IF and only IF BCCI was truly serious about winning this game? And I think that’s the biggest question. Does BCCI truly care to have won this match? I am not sure.

Their main focus is the cash cow IPL. It leaves billions in revenue - and that’s what matters to them. If it was PCB, it would be same case.

They also know that no matter what have they done for prep, they would almost surely gonna lose against the Aussies in England - so why sweat your blood over it?

We can try all the suggestions and improvements as in your OP, but it’s like singing a song to the tree. I don’t think it matters much to BCCI neither do they seem to care much. IPL is their flagship and number 1 priority.
 
India are simply chokers. The most powerful board, the most populous country and still haven't won anything in over ten years.

They do need to make space for Sarfaraz Khan though. He's their most promising middle-order batsman.
 
This Indian team is filled with truly mediocre players like Shaw, Vihari, Iyer, Sarfaraz which is the reason why the other established mediocre players like Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, KLR, Rohit are not getting replaced.

The only credible good players are Gill, Jaiswal, Pant, Jadeja, Sundar, Axar, Bumrah and Siraj.
 
From OP - They then made fools of themselves by inserting the opposition at The Oval,

Well, Cummins said at the toss that they would have bowled first as well. So I don't think it was an incorrect decision.

The biggest problem for Indian cricket is the test pitches we prepare at home. We prepare all those square turners where test matches gets over in 1.5 - 2 days. Though we win all these games but fast bowlers hardly get a chance to bowl longer spell or batsmen get a chance to bat longer. I think Indian batters bat longer in IPL than in home tests.

Then when you go overseas and play on a true pitch where a fast bowler need to bowl 18 overs/day or batsman need to build an innings, they fail bcoz they are not used to it. The muscle memory relies on T20 cricket and they committ to shots which ideally should be left. Take Kohli's 2nd innings for example, he was leaving so well in off stump. Suddenly a half volley on 8th stump and T20 muscle memory kicked in. Same for Rohit Sharma, Shubhman Gill etc...all got out committing to a shot.

I know people love to blame the IPL/T20 cricket but Indian test team will continue to suffer unless we prepare proper test wickets at home where batsman will learn how to build innings or fast bowlers to bowl longer spells. But BCCI try to take easier route by creating dustbowls and result is for all to see.
 
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From OP - They then made fools of themselves by inserting the opposition at The Oval,

Well, Cummins said at the toss that they would have bowled first as well. So I don't think it was an incorrect decision.

The biggest problem for Indian cricket is the test pitches we prepare at home. We prepare all those square turners where test matches gets over in 1.5 - 2 days. Though we win all these games but fast bowlers hardly get a chance to bowl longer spell or batsmen get a chance to bat longer. I think Indian batters bat longer in IPL than in home tests.

Then when you go overseas and play on a true pitch where a fast bowler need to bowl 18 overs/day or batsman need to build an innings, they fail bcoz they are not used to it. The muscle memory relies on T20 cricket and they committ to shots which ideally should be left. Take Kohli's 2nd innings for example, he was leaving so well in off stump. Suddenly a half volley on 8th stump and T20 muscle memory kicked in. Same for Rohit Sharma, Shubhman Gill etc...all got out committing to a shot.

<B>I know people love to blame the IPL/T20 cricket but Indian test team will continue to suffer unless we prepare proper test wickets at home where batsman will learn how to build innings or fast bowlers to bowl longer spells. But BCCI try to take easier route by creating dustbowls and result is for all to see.</B>

Yes, India must make sporting wickets with equal interest for pacers and spinners both to achieve a good amount of success overseas as well.
 
India performed poorly in the final and deserve some criticism but they are one of the few teams helping to keep test cricket alive.

They may not have given the final the preparation it deserved but they place test match cricket on a much higher platform than all other countries bar England and Oz.
 
India is best test team currently

A useless of one of Test game aka WTC final in england can't define the greatest of this test team .

Another india tour of Australia coming so let's see what will happen this time .
 
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India is best test team currently yet OP talking rubbish .

A useless of one of Test game aka WTC final in england can't define the greatest of this test team .

Another india tour of Australia coming so let's see what will happen this time .
Not feeling that confident in our team this time, we might get spanked around by the Aussies
 
Not feeling that confident in our team this time, we might get spanked around by the Aussies
It's true that our batting line-up is a combination of a bunch of veterans who're slightly past their best (Kohli, Rohit) and some youngsters (Jaiswal, Gill) who're yet to come into their peak. What gives me hope is that the Aussie team is in a similar position. Both batting line-ups come into this one limping.

The bowling though is awesome on both sides - especially if Shami's back. I'd back Bumrah-Shami-Siraj-Kuldeep-Jadeja-Ashwin (whatever combination we play) man for man against an equally good Aussie attack.

I think it'll come down to which batting line-up is able to squeeze that little extra juice out of itself. Spanked around by either side is unlikely.
 
It's true that our batting line-up is a combination of a bunch of veterans who're slightly past their best (Kohli, Rohit) and some youngsters (Jaiswal, Gill) who're yet to come into their peak.

I think it'll come down to which batting line-up is able to squeeze that little extra juice out of itself. Spanked around by either side is unlikely.
One more factor is toss.Toss will be very crucial in Perth, Adelaide (d/n),Gabba.Posting a decent score first will put immense pressure as batting last is very difficult in Perth,gabba . batting under lights will be very tricky in Adelaide,so we have to avoid/mitigate that risk.By the time we reach mcg, we should not loose the series as mcg and scg are far more easy for us to survive
 
I think it'll come down to which batting line-up is able to squeeze that little extra juice out of itself. Spanked around by either side is unlikely.
I hope meaningful contributions from rohit and kohli.rohit highest score in test matches is 63 I think in aus.As u said we need a more collective effort from all the corners
 
I hope meaningful contributions from rohit and kohli.rohit highest score in test matches is 63 I think in aus.As u said we need a more collective effort from all the corners
Absolutely. High scores are unlikely in the first two tests given the quality of the bowling line-ups and the pitches and conditions we'll be playing under. Every player including lower order like Jadeja, Kuldeep (I assume they'll both play) will have to contribute even if it's bits and pieces.
 
India is best test team currently

A useless of one of Test game aka WTC final in england can't define the greatest of this test team .

Another india tour of Australia coming so let's see what will happen this time .
Yes across all conditions they are the best.

Aus is also very good but won't win in India for a very long time.
 
Every player including lower order like Jadeja, Kuldeep (I assume they'll both play) will have to contribute even if it's bits and pieces.
Kuldeep is like ishant.he can block forever and takes forever to score.on aus pitches,he may not get more time .he has to improve his scoring rate
 
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