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I feel that some of Pakistan's coaching staff and selectors have not got the best out of Junaid Khan to date.

The Champions Trophy showed that he still has the ability, the temperament and desire to be a top performer for Pakistan.

I keep hearing that he needs some security regarding selection and an arm around the shoulder type of approach.

Can Mickey Arthur get the best out of Junaid and can he become a top bowler in the coming months and years?
 
no i dont think he can be good..... to me he seems a very limited bowler..... only plays good in patches .....
 
Really glad to see him get back to his best...he should be persevered with. We've already seen he's far better than Wahab, Rahat, Sohail, Imran Khan jnr and the likes...Perfect new ball partner for Amir.
 
People throw a lot of trash at Junaid, people forget his is a very decent record and was major part in series wins in SA and India.

I hope now that he isn't the pace leader he can thrive
 
I think that both Mickey and Azhar do not rate him. Honestly speaking,Junaid is better than Rahat,Sohail,Wahab and Imran Khan junior.People are hyping Rumman,who does not swing the ball and relies heavily on change in pace to take wickets.
Having said that,Junaid is the weakest link in the current bowling attack.There are much better options than him.Bashir,Irfan and Usman can easily replace him in the near future.It solely depends on Junaid's hardwork,fitness and performance to not let any other bowler replace him.
 
I don't recall a game where he was 100% fit and didn't deliver. From what I've observed, JK's main issue is fitness.
 
Which should be achieved by reducing him to a periphery option. If he is a first-choice member of the attack then you have a problem. An average bowler who is going through a random purple patch. The party will be over soon, a serial match-loser will remain a serial match-loser. For further details, contact Peshawar Zalmi and Punjab.
 
Which should be achieved by reducing him to a periphery option. If he is a first-choice member of the attack then you have a problem. An average bowler who is going through a random purple patch. The party will be over soon, a serial match-loser will remain a serial match-loser. For further details, contact Peshawar Zalmi and Punjab.

I'd much rather contact South Africa, Sri Lanka, England and India all of whom bared the brunt of Juni's awesome bowling. Thank you for coming the door is that way :haha
 
I think that both Mickey and Azhar do not rate him. Honestly speaking,Junaid is better than Rahat,Sohail,Wahab and Imran Khan junior.People are hyping Rumman,who does not swing the ball and relies heavily on change in pace to take wickets.
Having said that,Junaid is the weakest link in the current bowling attack.There are much better options than him.
Bashir,Irfan and Usman
can easily replace him in the near future.It solely depends on Junaid's hardwork,fitness and performance to not let any other bowler replace him.

Always a player who havent had any international experience become great to replace a bowler who performed so well in the current tournament...

Junaid was a huge upgrade over wahab and makes the perfect foil for the opening new ball combo with amir... they both hunt in pairs early in inns also after 30 overs which is excellent...

Going forward junaid amir hassan has formed a lethal pace attack...
 
Junaid is a very good bowler and only injury prevented him from developing into one of the world's best. Now that he is fully fit and in form, we'll see him get back to his 2012-2013 levels where he was clean bowling Kumar Sangakkara on the flattest of pitches, exposing the Indian batting lineup in their own backyard (Come to India, eh Rohit?) and winning Pakistan their first ever series in South Africa. Cannot wait to see him and Amir bowl in South Africa and England next year, InshAllah.

I'd much rather contact South Africa, Sri Lanka, England and India all of whom bared the brunt of Juni's awesome bowling. Thank you for coming the door is that way :haha

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Mamoon is your bunny, just like Kohli is Junaid's. Well bowled.
 
I'd much rather contact South Africa, Sri Lanka, England and India all of whom bared the brunt of Juni's awesome bowling. Thank you for coming the door is that way :haha

Junaid is a very good bowler and only injury prevented him from developing into one of the world's best. Now that he is fully fit and in form, we'll see him get back to his 2012-2013 levels where he was clean bowling Kumar Sangakkara on the flattest of pitches, exposing the Indian batting lineup in their own backyard (Come to India, eh Rohit?) and winning Pakistan their first ever series in South Africa. Cannot wait to see him and Amir bowl in South Africa and England next year, InshAllah.



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Mamoon is your bunny, just like Kohli is Junaid's. Well bowled.

As always, koshish ke pooray number, but:

Against SA, the spinners and Hasan did the damage while he picked up two inconsequential wickets at the death after the damage was done already. Against SL he stood out, but Hasan, Fahim and Amir took the crucial wickets of Mendis, Mathews, Chandimal and Gunaratne.

Against England, again, it was Hasan who did the bulk of the damage and Shadab who claimed the prize scalp of Root. In the final of course, it was Amir who derailed India's chase beyond repair. Junaid is the weak-link of this attack and that was proven in the Champions Trophy as well.
 
As always, koshish ke pooray number, but:

Against SA, the spinners and Hasan did the damage while he picked up two inconsequential wickets at the death after the damage was done already. Against SL he stood out, but Hasan, Fahim and Amir took the crucial wickets of Mendis, Mathews, Chandimal and Gunaratne.

Against England, again, it was Hasan who did the bulk of the damage and Shadab who claimed the prize scalp of Root. In the final of course, it was Amir who derailed India's chase beyond repair. Junaid is the weak-link of this attack and that was proven in the Champions Trophy as well.

You can keep making your excuses but Junaid was awesome in this CT. I, for one, wasn't talking about this tournament but what he has done in the past, proving that this isn't a "random purple patch" but his actual quality.
 
Interviewed Junaid recently. I'm sure you will find it interesting as what he has to say about how he has been treated etc so far.
 
You can keep making your excuses but Junaid was awesome in this CT. I, for one, wasn't talking about this tournament but what he has done in the past, proving that this isn't a "random purple patch" but his actual quality.

He has been dire at all levels for three years. It is very simplistic to blame his insipid performances on his injuries. He has been fit enough for a while but he was still helping his teams lose matches left and right. Unless has truly turned things around for good, his current performances appear to be nothing more than a purple patch.
 
Interviewed Junaid recently. I'm sure you will find it interesting as what he has to say about how he has been treated etc so far.

He is always quick to complain about his mistreatment but has little to say about his awful performances since 2014. He has had decent opportunities at all levels (International cricket, domestic cricket, PSL, Pakistan Cup etc.) but he was consistently mediocre.

Not to forget he threatened to quit for England if he doesn't get the golden boy treatment. All of this shows that he is a fair-weather player who doesn't have the stomach for a fight. Let's see for how long the sun shines and for how long he continues to make hay.
 
Junaid Khan is a pretty good 3rd seamer and is doing well enough to stay in the attack... but do you really think he is the best option for Pakistan tho? Hasan is a superior 3rd seamer...nevertheless, he will deservedly stay in the team for now.

In long run Pakistan is still missing a partner for Amir.
 
I've given him benefit of the doubt even though was against his initial return after mediocre stats in domestic competition.

However I won't be surprised if he is taken to task by Mendis, Gunathilaka and Watchumacallit in the SL series.
 
I feel that some of Pakistan's coaching staff and selectors have not got the best out of Junaid Khan to date.

The Champions Trophy showed that he still has the ability, the temperament and desire to be a top performer for Pakistan.

I keep hearing that he needs some security regarding selection and an arm around the shoulder type of approach.

Can Mickey Arthur get the best out of Junaid and can he become a top bowler in the coming months and years?

Me thinks the guy has been outstanding alot of credit goes to Azhar Mehmood for his rejuvenation.

However there will always be favoritism for certain players and that will stay regardless of the way he bowls..

A certain chosen one will always get in the team before him... while this guy will be expendable as soon as he has a bad game
 
But but according to our PP experts, he is a "chucker".

Junaid's key strength is not his bowling, but his body language..he just looks like a fast bowler..

and boy when he gets a wicket, he puts on an extra yard..
 
I feel that some of Pakistan's coaching staff and selectors have not got the best out of Junaid Khan to date.

The Champions Trophy showed that he still has the ability, the temperament and desire to be a top performer for Pakistan.

I keep hearing that he needs some security regarding selection and an arm around the shoulder type of approach.

Can Mickey Arthur get the best out of Junaid and can he become a top bowler in the coming months and years?

Junaid has done decently so far but why is he feeling insecure?

He is starting every game since the CT and is our front line bowler - the ball is in his court now.
 
Yes, you can say he's the worst bowler in our bowling attack, but that just speaks volumes about the quality that we possess in our attack.

If Junaid is our worse bowler, we're doing fine.
 
I dont know why PPers consider him as a weak bowler? Even if he's not what he used to be, he still got bit of pace, bowls accurately, swings/nips around when there's some to offer. What else you guys want? He can be successful on tracks where others fail. For me he's as good as Hasan or Amir on his day.
 
He has been dire at all levels for three years. It is very simplistic to blame his insipid performances on his injuries. He has been fit enough for a while but he was still helping his teams lose matches left and right. Unless has truly turned things around for good, his current performances appear to be nothing more than a purple patch.

Like I said before, he's proven his quality in the past so it is a case of returning to the norm rather than anything else.
 
He is always quick to complain about his mistreatment but has little to say about his awful performances since 2014. He has had decent opportunities at all levels (International cricket, domestic cricket, PSL, Pakistan Cup etc.) but he was consistently mediocre.

Not to forget he threatened to quit for England if he doesn't get the golden boy treatment. All of this shows that he is a fair-weather player who doesn't have the stomach for a fight. Let's see for how long the sun shines and for how long he continues to make hay.

Now that the complain of not performing in an ICC tournament is gone... its a new angle from [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
He has been dire at all levels for three years. It is very simplistic to blame his insipid performances on his injuries. He has been fit enough for a while but he was still helping his teams lose matches left and right. Unless has truly turned things around for good, his current performances appear to be nothing more than a purple patch.

Guy has outperformed bowlers really close to your heart Mitchell Starc, Kangiso Rabada and Bhuveshner Kumar... it must be hurting alot :)
 
He got Butler out cheaply in the Semi Final ..the same Butler who had been a thorn for us
 
Don't speak too big about him. He is made of paper and can break down anytime. He needs to be serious about his fitness first. He talent has never been in doubt.
 
As always, koshish ke pooray number, but:

Against SA, the spinners and Hasan did the damage while he picked up two inconsequential wickets at the death after the damage was done already. Against SL he stood out, but Hasan, Fahim and Amir took the crucial wickets of Mendis, Mathews, Chandimal and Gunaratne.

Against England, again, it was Hasan who did the bulk of the damage and Shadab who claimed the prize scalp of Root. In the final of course, it was Amir who derailed India's chase beyond repair. Junaid is the weak-link of this attack and that was proven in the Champions Trophy as well.

And your are telling us that wicket of Butler and Moin Ali at that time of the England's innings in Semi Final were irrelevant. :smith
 
I feel that some of Pakistan's coaching staff and selectors have not got the best out of Junaid Khan to date.

The Champions Trophy showed that he still has the ability, the temperament and desire to be a top performer for Pakistan.

I keep hearing that he needs some security regarding selection and an arm around the shoulder type of approach.

Can Mickey Arthur get the best out of Junaid and can he become a top bowler in the coming months and years?

Very nice thread, Junaid haters never prove anything with facts and stats. Please guys look at the fast bowlers of the world he is definitely one of the better ones around at the moment of fit and in rythm or prove otherwise.:shafiq2
 
Junaid khan is fine , from what i have seen he is a proud sportsman and confidence isnt an issue with him. A fully fit junaid is almost as good as amir when it comes to wicket taking ability.
 
As I mentioned in the thread I started:

I know Mohammad Amir is rated pretty highly both in Pakistan and around the globe, no doubt he is a class act, but to me a fit Junaid Khan is also a class of his own.
Ok lets study both a bit

Mohammad Amir and Junaid Khan both opened the bowling for Pakistan in same U 19 world Cup. As Amir was two years younger and was bowling equally good with more pace he became the blue eyed boy among the fans. Younus Khan as a captain of WT 2009 took two notable initiatives, one was selection Mohammad Amir and othe was selecting Shahzaib Hassan, one was 17 and other was 19. While Shahzaib struggled a bit, Amir impressed all. Amir kept on improving and became the poster boy of Pakistan cricket. in 2010 he got the ideal conditions to swing the bowl in England. He created an impact before that unfortunate no ball and his ban.

Junaid Khan got selected in the team for the world cup 2011 but couldnt get a game. He got his first game for Pakistan in West indies. He also kept on improving and remain taking fifers on the dead wickets of UAE where if I remember correctly no other fast bowler was able to take fifers for Pakistan in tests, ok may be tanveer ahmed from 2012 till now as it was always spinners paradise. Junaid alomost than single handedly won us 2012 tour of India and played a crucial part in Pakistan histrical win against SA in SA in ODIs in 2013.
Junaid Khan got injured when he was at his peak and we all know knee injuries which lead to surgeries are the worst.

But looking at Junaids performance in CT 17 where he was the 3rd highest wicket taker, it looks that he is getting back to his best. He took wickets of T Parera, Buttler and Moin Ali at very crucial times of the matches and was good with both the new bowl as well as the old ball.

Both are pretty different bowlers although both are left armers. Junaid khan seams the bowl after pitching while Amir swings the ball.

Lets look at the stats
Amir: ODIs; Avg: 27.41, Wkts: 55
Tests; Avg: 31.47, Wkts: 94 (4 5w hauls)

Junaid: ODIs; Avg: 28.12, Wkts; 94
Tests; Avg; 31.73, Wkts; 71 (5 5w hauls)


To be honest they both are very good however, people tend to favor Amir a lot and make him to be much better than Junaid.

To me if both are fit and in reasonable rhythm they are one pair of the best around the world. No bowler can do magic on its own he needs good partners at other end What do you guys believe?

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He got Butler out cheaply in the Semi Final ..the same Butler who had been a thorn for us

Yes pre-planned. Look out for what he says about that dismissal.
 
He's lost some pace and it's difficult to see him succeeding in test cricket without that extra zip.

Amir, Hasan, and Abbas should be first choice pacers in test cricket.

Can he regain some pace without sacrificing accuracy? He's another player I think could benefit from a brief coaching stint by Wasim Akram.
 
He's a good support bowler not a leader of the attack for me. I said if he performed in CT I would be willing to give him a long rope, so he deserves a long rope in the odi team.

Credit to Azhar, he has done a job with Junaid.
 
Junaid seems to have lost a yard of pace but he s clearly got a skill set in English conditions ~ while judgement in non English conditions is still to be made, to say his bowling in the CT was a fluke is unfair and disrespectful.
The reason our bowling was so effective was because we had 4 bowlers with genuine wicket taking ability and Junaid was one of these bowlers.
What cant people give him his due?
 
I personally think he has what it takes to be a good bowling partner to Amir. I also have belief that Mickey can in fact bring the best out of Junaid
 
I see him as a hard working player. Him Amir and Hasan should be the first choice trio of seamers. I am sure Our bowling coach Azhar 'll work with him to get better and better.
 
Can we discuss the elephant in the room?

It's been obvious for the last four years that the senior players in the team will never trust him ever again after his behaviour in South Africa four years ago.

He had just excelled in the mid-winter ODI series away to India, and with Umar Gul unfit the entire attack revolved around the pace of Junaid Khan and the spin of Saeed Ajmal.

He bowled well on the first day, but the team was blown away when it batted with Junaid playing a particularly cowardly innings, backing away to the quick men.

And then after the First Test he claimed that he was too injured to play the other two Tests because he had scraped the skin on his thigh against a door handle, and it was sore.

Fortunately for him, Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq are the last survivors of that team. Because those teammates who were relying on him were sorely disappointed.
 
Which should be achieved by reducing him to a periphery option. If he is a first-choice member of the attack then you have a problem. An average bowler who is going through a random purple patch. The party will be over soon, a serial match-loser will remain a serial match-loser. For further details, contact Peshawar Zalmi and Punjab.

Haha :))
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Fantastic hattrick today by Junaid and won the match for MS.

He is far from finished and IMO and great bowler in our pace attack alongside Amir, Hassan and Rumman.
 
Haha :))
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Fantastic hattrick today by Junaid and won the match for MS.

He is far from finished and IMO and great bowler in our pace attack alongside Amir, Hassan and Rumman.

But but it was a fluke, Junaid will never be the bowler he used to be, it was a usless hattrick when Lahore already gave up.
 
He is a class bowler but hasn't been settled due to injuries. He is one of our best options to bowl the new ball alongside amir.
 
I got a feeling, this time he'll stay fit and Insha'Allah will be an integral part of our '19 world cup winning squad.

Good sensations all around.

Class is permanent, as they say.
 
I have always liked Junaid. His comeback to the side was integral to our improvement in LOI cricket. He was unlucky in the Australia series but kept on improving and was one of the reasons for our CT victory. Hopefully, he returns to the test squad as well. Quality bowler.
 
He's been out for some time. Even if he didn't perform I'd still give it some time for him to settle down. Should play the rest of the ODIs, but I wouldn't start him in our first team.
 
It's UKS vs Junaid vs Rumman for the third seamer slot, Amir and Hasan are automatic picks and Rana ain't going anywhere soon. UKS>=Junaid>>Rumman imo
 
Performs as always. Criticised for no reason as always. Story of Junaid's career.
 
What best? he is a nothing bowler. Always pick cheap wickets here and there. Trundler of highest level like Indian bowlers. He should be replaced as soon as possible. Shaheen should have been tried instead of this joke.
 
People criticize Junaid Khan for reasons unknown.

The guy has been nothing short of brilliant since his comeback and is essential for the WC.

I would say rest Amir and Hasan for the last two ODI’s and rope in Shaheen even though he is not in the squad.
 
People criticize Junaid Khan for reasons unknown.

The guy has been nothing short of brilliant since his comeback and is essential for the WC.

I would say rest Amir and Hasan for the last two ODI’s and rope in Shaheen even though he is not in the squad.

I am not sure what his stats are post come back. But he has been brilliant. Wouldnt be surprised if he averages in early 20s after his comeback.
 
He always gives his best and usually performs in ODIs. Still it will be hard for him to make the playing 11 in WC 19 because of the competition we have.
 
The best way to get the best out of Junaid is to not play him at all. A nothing bowler who fooled everyone with a fluke spell against India in perfect bowling conditions.

Both Shaheen and Shinwari are much better.
 
The man gets criticized just because he doesn't bowl at 140 clicks. His 130-135 pace is okay because he is accurate and gets the ball to move off the seam, and not to forget, he's one of the better reverse swing bowlers in Pakistan, and we'll need him to repeat hist CT17 performance next year.
 
Would have been interested to see how he performed in the NZ series. Shame he was injured.
 
The best way to get the best out of Junaid is to not play him at all. A nothing bowler who fooled everyone with a fluke spell against India in perfect bowling conditions.

Both Shaheen and Shinwari are much better.

Don't forget his fluke CT run; most wickets after Hasan in the tournament. He just keeps fluking.
 
I don’t get the hate for Junaid, he averages 28 with the ball in odis, which is fantastic for modern day odi bowlers. He is a much better wicket taking option than Amir. He runs in with Jazba every time he bowls, unlike Amir.
 
Would have been interested to see how he performed in the NZ series. Shame he was injured.

The fact we didn't have him or Usman Khan in New Zealand is a big reason we lost. Rumman was bowling like a club level bowler.
 
Clutch, mentally tough, champion bowler. India would kill to have a bowler like Junaid.
 
The best way to get the best out of Junaid is to not play him at all. A nothing bowler who fooled everyone with a fluke spell against India in perfect bowling conditions.

Both Shaheen and Shinwari are much better.

Is it even worth pointing out to you that on the dead pitches of UAE and Sri Lanka he has often bowled fantastic with very good reverse swing. Until his injury he did ok for Lancashire too.

I think you have to accept that the years 2013-2016 were particularly average for our bowlers. It’s only now from 2016 onwards with world class bowlers like hasan, abbass and Yasir that we can start putting a good attack together. Sometimes it isn’t the performance of an individual that matters as much as the composition of the attack. I’m afraid that by 2013 a half fit junaid, an unfit gul and a spray gun in wahab or rahat didn’t do much for our pace bowling options. I doubt if even waqar or wasim could have performed with so many weak links.
 
There is some improvement, he has moved from "worse than Wahab" to "fluke" mark on the mediocrity scale of experts.
 
The fact we didn't have him or Usman Khan in New Zealand is a big reason we lost. Rumman was bowling like a club level bowler.

Rumman was our best bowler in that series. Not his fault that Amir, Hasan and Shadab failed to pick up their weight.
 
Rumman was our best bowler in that series. Not his fault that Amir, Hasan and Shadab failed to pick up their weight.

Rumman only picked up wickets at the back end of the innings when batsmen were slogging, he'll always do that, but his bowling at the start of the innings was appalling, bowling 125kph pies.
 
Competition for places heating up in te pace bowling department which is fantastic news with the World Cup only a year away.

Junaid, Rumman, Mohammad Amir, Shinwari, Faheem Ashraf, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Hasan Ali to name but a few.
 
Competition for places heating up in te pace bowling department which is fantastic news with the World Cup only a year away.

Junaid, Rumman, Mohammad Amir, Shinwari, Faheem Ashraf, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Hasan Ali to name but a few.

If Shaheen is in the World Cup plans, surely it's a little odd that he was not part of this squad (especially given he was already in the country for the tri-series)?

This series was as good a chance as any for him to make his ODI debut.
 
I'm not sure Junaid will survive this competition and will most likely be on the receiving end of the axe. Faheem is bowling at the same pace at Junaid with the added advantage of his batting, not to mention he has a fifer in ODIs which Junaid doesn't. Even Amir doesn't for that matter
 
If Shaheen is in the World Cup plans, surely it's a little odd that he was not part of this squad (especially given he was already in the country for the tri-series)?

This series was as good a chance as any for him to make his ODI debut.

I think sooner or later he will be tried in the 50-over format.
 
He is mediocre but I'll still take him over Amir.
Disagree. Junaid is a better bowler than most teams first choice bowlers.
You can keep the ‘mediocre’ label for someone like S Kaul of India. Junaid is a big match player and brings his best against the biggies. Give him a run and if fit he shall deliver.
 
A nothing bowler who fooled everyone with a fluke spell against India in perfect bowling conditions.

Have you run out of any good material that could actually be meaningful? You seem to resort to the word "fluke" in every other post of yours. Now that the team has been performing well, the only thing you can do to get a reaction out of people is to showcase how limited your vocabulary actually is. This faux intellectuality that you try to showcase on here proves that you don't have a clue how competitive sports work.
 
I feel he is a very decent new ball bowler. Not sure if the current situation allows him to get an extended run. But Pakistan might need him in the test team. I dont see Aamir playing all the home tests in UAE.
If there is one thing that I feel Mickey could improve on is to show that he can rehabilitate the career of gifted players who have fallen by the wayside (of course, I dont put the Akmals or Shehzad in that category).
But Junaid has to prove he has the fitness for it.
 
Have you run out of any good material that could actually be meaningful? You seem to resort to the word "fluke" in every other post of yours. Now that the team has been performing well, the only thing you can do to get a reaction out of people is to showcase how limited your vocabulary actually is. This faux intellectuality that you try to showcase on here proves that you don't have a clue how competitive sports work.

How else would you like me to describe that spell?

I can list all the synonyms of the f word if you are so tired of hearing it, but the point that I am trying to make is that Junaid has not shown that level again.

He is simply not a strike bowler who can devastate a lineup every now and then. There is a reason why has zero five wicket hauls in ODIs, and that is something that is probably not going to change in the future either.

He is fast medium at best, barely swings the ball and usually bowls back of length because he doesn’t have the pace to bowl short, and if he pitches it up at that pace and lack of movement, he is asking for trouble.

Moreover, he is also prone to getting smashed every now and then. His fitness is also dubious as well.

He had early success in the UAE/Sri Lankan Tests when he reversed the ball, but back then, he was quicker. The numerous knee injuries have taken their toll.

He had a great 2013 where he often picked up wickets without bowling particularly well, but the purple patch went dry around 2014, and he bowled at a very poor level till 2017.

He has been decent for the last year or so, but we have seen the best that he has to offer and it is clear that he will never be a world beater.

Pakistan currently have two young left-arm pacers in Shinwari and Shaheen who appear to have higher ceilings.

They may or may not do justice to that assessment in the future, but their progress should not be stunted because of a bowler who will never be anything special.

I don’t mind Junaid as a reserve option. He can fill in when Amir goes through his usual mood swings and cannot be bothered, or when Hasan is injured and the likes of Shinwari, Shaheen and Abbas etc. are unavailable due to various reasons, but if you are giving Junaid a permanent slot in the playing XI in any format, you are not going to go anywhere as a team.

I know how competitive sports works, and I will explain it to you. In competitive sports, any team can beat any team on a given day, but more often than not, the weaker team will lose.

That is why Pakistan have lost around 80% of the ODI series against the top teams since 2006, and that figure is unlikely to change in the future.

South Africa aside, who are going through a mini crisis, we haven’t really closed the gap between us and the likes of India, England, Australia and New Zealand regardless of what happened over a three game streak in the Champions Trophy.

That is why we were battered 5-0 in New Zealand, and it had nothing to do with losing the Champions Trophy momentum due to the long gap and whatever nonsense excuse that you came up with at that time.
 
Junaid can easily walk in the English, Indian and Australian ODI line-ups, might even make it to the Saffer side. NZ are themselves blessed with fast bowling talent so no space for him. Don't give me that typical crap that Aus have Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood, Pattinson... Their bowlers are only fit for two months a year and we saw their fast bowling prowess in the England series and tri-series.
 
Big fan of his from 2011-2013, felt very bad for him in CT13, felt he was unlucky there and bowled with speed and fire.

2014 onwards though he was horrible, went like 30 games without a wicket. Action deteriorated a bit since as well, starting jumping too much pre-bowling action. Think he's finished. Even for CT17 he was picked because his name is known, I think Inzi does that sometimes, throws in a well known player despite whatever the recent performance was, hence the Hafeez selection. His recent domestic stats pre tournament were mediocre at best. He did well there, but I think he kind of mooched off of the other pacers' pressure.

Think we should move past this era where we had Ajmal, Junaid, Md Irfan, Misbah, Hafeez etc etc, they are all finished players past their expiry date, time to can them and invest the Hasan Alis, Usman Khans and Asif Alis.

This Shaheen kid looks good though, only 17 as well I think which is cool. Maybe Amir will play the mentor role with him, guide him in right path and try relive his dreams w/o the fixing, a la Amir Khan in Dangal with his daughters.
 
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Seems to have got his mojo back for year and a half now, its just that during his injury and understandable struggle post knee injury for sometime, Pakistan has produced some great bowling talent and now though he is back in his rhythm and moving the ball off the pitch pretty much as he used to do in his peak, there is a lot of competition in the ranks.

I have said it numerous times to those who hate him saying he doesn swing that he isnt a swing bowler, he is a seam bowler please understand the difference. A bowler who seams the ball, movement comes after pitching as you can see in the case of Mcgrath, Asif, Hazlewood, Abbas and many others. They are very few now a days but Junaid is one of the best component of that and adds good variety to the attack.

On the other hand Amir, Starc, Steyn etc are swing bowlers so dont confuse and compare two different type of bowlers.
 
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Seems to have got his mojo back for year and a half now, its just that during his injury and understandable struggle post knee injury for sometime, Pakistan has produced some great bowling talent and now though he is back in his rhythm and moving the ball off the pitch pretty much as he used to do in his peak, there is a lot of competition in the ranks.

I have said it numerous times to those who hate him saying he doesn swing that he isnt a swing bowler, he is a seam bowler please understand the difference. A bowler who seams the ball, movement comes after pitching as you can see in the case of Mcgrath, Asif, Hazlewood, Abbas and many others. They are very few now a days but Junaid is one of the best component of that and adds good variety to the attack.

On the other hand Amir, Starc, Steyn etc are swing bowlers so dont confuse and compare two different type of bowlers.

All the seam bowlers that you mentioned, i.e. McGrath, Asif, Philander, Hazlewood, Abbas etc. were/are very accurate bowlers, capable of bowling in the same spot all day long.

Junaid is nowhere near as accurate, and a wayward bowler who cannot swing the ball is a liability.
 
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