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To wish Merry Christmas or not?

The Qu'ran mentions Jesus PBUH more times than Mohammed PBUH. Moses PBUH is mentioned more than any prophet/messenger of God.

The Qur'an also guides us to read the previous scriptures - The Pslams, The Torah, The Injeel.

The belief is simple - there is one god with multiple prophets/messengers and Mohammed PBUH is the seal of all messengers.

Saying Merry Xmas doesn't mean I've suddenly become Christian. As far as I am concerned its paying homage to one of God's messengers - Jesus PBUH.

The number of times someone's name is mentioned in Quran does not matter.

Also , By name Muhammad SAW is mentioned less becaue he is addressed as first person . When ever the Quran says Qul , it is addressing the prophet himself. Since other prophets are not present there names are taken.

The quran guides to read previous scriptures ? The quran says they are adulterated and have been changed.

Firstly This Christmas is NOT a Muslim festival , its a Christian Festival. In Islam there are only two festivals . This is clear.

Now , if you want to know about any festival you need to ask the native people whose festival is that. What do Christian celebrate ? They celebrate the birth of Jesus as son of God. This is blaspheme according to Islam. If this was a thing of homage prophet Muhammad SAW would have been the first person to pay homage to Isa AS.
 
First lets be clear here. There is no hadith or quranic verse that says do not say Merry Christmas. There is an interpretation of verses by some scholars but no verses that explicitly forbid it.

To most people, the word Christmas has been stripped off its etymological and thus religious significance. It is just a statement akin to wishing someone a good day.

Soon literalists like you will complain about phrases like ' The test match begins on Saturday' because guess what the literal meaning of Saturday is?

There is NO hadith or quran ayat that says if I pray 4 units , in fajr prayer it is wrong . There is No hadith or ayat in Quran which says there cannot be azan in Eid salah .

But I think if someone does you would not agree with him.

If you want to wish someone good day that is fine , but when you are talking about a particular day and associate it with a religious act , it becomes part of that thought process.
 
The number of times someone's name is mentioned in Quran does not matter.

Also , By name Muhammad SAW is mentioned less becaue he is addressed as first person . When ever the Quran says Qul , it is addressing the prophet himself. Since other prophets are not present there names are taken.

The quran guides to read previous scriptures ? The quran says they are adulterated and have been changed.

Firstly This Christmas is NOT a Muslim festival , its a Christian Festival. In Islam there are only two festivals . This is clear.

Now , if you want to know about any festival you need to ask the native people whose festival is that. What do Christian celebrate ? They celebrate the birth of Jesus as son of God. This is blaspheme according to Islam. If this was a thing of homage prophet Muhammad SAW would have been the first person to pay homage to Isa AS.

You are just rambling on.

The Qu'ran is the word of god, the number of times one is mentioned does matter since it reflects on what God deems important.

Have a merry xmas, don't be offended by 2 words. If you are then go read the Qur'an in a language you understand or change your faith. More so, if don't like xmas, or other festivals, bail Canada and move.

Have a prosperous new year too.
 
This is the point where Islamophobia may rise.

This is not assimilation (as a society) but segregation. We are "tolerating" your "antics" isn't something that will be seen positively by non muslims. And once it is realized by the people around that person, they will always feel that, that Muslim is somewhat "alien" to the establishment.

Assimilation does not mean we have to accept shirk and accept the shirk others are doing.

Read Surah Qafiroon , the mushriks wanted prophet to compromise on certain issues and then Allah swt revealed those ayats.

Yes Muslims should be alien from such shirk . That is what the quran and hadeeth says. Islam is about Quran and hadeeth says , not what people do.

I cannot write politically correct sugar coated statements here , Iwould be help accountable on the day of judgement.

Also, do not forget the prophet said , if you are in doubt about something, avoid that. Suppose, this is indeed a shirk , then it will be a very heavy price to pay.

The choice is ours , whether we want to please Allah swt or the world.

And what you mean by tolerating our antics ? What kind of antics , kindly elaborate a bit .
 
You are just rambling on.

The Qu'ran is the word of god, the number of times one is mentioned does matter since it reflects on what God deems important.

Have a merry xmas, don't be offended by 2 words. If you are then go read the Qur'an in a language you understand or change your faith. More so, if don't like xmas, or other festivals, bail Canada and move.

Have a prosperous new year too.

I did not babble anything, you need to go and learn grammar, when a person is present in front of you what person you use and when someone is not present, what person you use.

What is the connection with Canada and X mas ? Does Canadian Constitution make it compulsory to celebrate and wish Christmas ?
 
I did not babble anything, you need to go and learn grammar, when a person is present in front of you what person you use and when someone is not present, what person you use.

What is the connection with Canada and X mas ? Does Canadian Constitution make it compulsory to celebrate and wish Christmas ?

Qu'ran means the Recital. Let this sink in.

Canada cos you live in a Christian country. Learn to respect the nation that is your home.
 
Qu'ran means the Recital. Let this sink in.

Canada cos you live in a Christian country. Learn to respect the nation that is your home.

Quran means recital, so what? Quran does not follow grammar ?

Just accept where you are wrong.

Canada is a Christian country? Do you know how many flaws in your statement?

Firstly, how is it a Christian Country when secular laws are prevalent?

Secondly, how is it disrespectful if I do not wish for Christmas?

Thirdly , how many Christians start praying and fasting when they live in Muslim countries because they need to be respectful to the country they are stationed?
 
Quran means recital, so what? Quran does not follow grammar ?

Just accept where you are wrong.

Canada is a Christian country? Do you know how many flaws in your statement?

Firstly, how is it a Christian Country when secular laws are prevalent?

Secondly, how is it disrespectful if I do not wish for Christmas?

Thirdly , how many Christians start praying and fasting when they live in Muslim countries because they need to be respectful to the country they are stationed?

Stick to the guidance from your mullahs. I will stick to the guidance of God - The Qur'an.

There are no flaws in my argument, just hypocrisy and hatered in yours arguments.

Have the last word. I am off to enjoy xmas night.

Laters.

:)
 
Quran means recital, so what? Quran does not follow grammar ?

Just accept where you are wrong.

Canada is a Christian country? Do you know how many flaws in your statement?

Firstly, how is it a Christian Country when secular laws are prevalent?

Secondly, how is it disrespectful if I do not wish for Christmas?

Thirdly , how many Christians start praying and fasting when they live in Muslim countries because they need to be respectful to the country they are stationed
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Flawed arguments, these are practices not greetings.

Would you not accept a greeting of Eid Mubarak from a Non-Muslim?

I would read about Najran Christians who came to the Prophet(pbuh) to argue Jesus(pbuh) was divine/son of God. They were allowed to worship within the mosque. The moral of the story you can discuss your views with them but you should respect their beliefs and wish them well.

But lets be correct, Christmas to most in the west is cultural, most of the people dont even believe in God.
 
Is it allowed given the connotation regards Christian belief?. Quran acknowledges both Christianity and Judaism as people of the book and the religions haven't exactly mutated all that much since .
 
Stick to the guidance from your mullahs. I will stick to the guidance of God - The Qur'an.

There are no flaws in my argument, just hypocrisy and hatered in yours arguments.

Have the last word. I am off to enjoy xmas night.

Laters.

:)

I do not understand why the term Mullah is taken in a negative manner ? Mullah means a scholar.

The Quran you say talks about disbelievers being in hell forever , do you want to change that too ?

Where does Quran say that Jesus was son of God ?

You yourself mentioned that in Quran Isa AS is mentioned so many times , how was it relevant to this topic , and after that despite me correcting you on it , because of lack of any knowledge of grammar you called me rambling!
 
Flawed arguments, these are practices not greetings.

Would you not accept a greeting of Eid Mubarak from a Non-Muslim?

I would read about Najran Christians who came to the Prophet(pbuh) to argue Jesus(pbuh) was divine/son of God. They were allowed to worship within the mosque. The moral of the story you can discuss your views with them but you should respect their beliefs and wish them well.

But lets be correct, Christmas to most in the west is cultural, most of the people dont even believe in God.

Brother if someone wishes me Eid Mubarak what does it imply ? You are a Muslim , now tell me what does
Eid means to you ?

If you want to know what Christmas means ask the Christians, what do they take for meaning of Christmas.

Secondly prophet allowed Christians to pray inside masjid is a fabricated thing, there is no authenticity in this incident , yes they did come , and there was a Mubahila , but they ran away.

PS: I asked that person two more questions he did not answer , as you can see . I asked him how Canada is a Christian Country because they follow secular laws

and how is it disrespectful to anyone if I do not wish them on their festivals?
 
I had this handyman working in my home a couple of days ago. A white American and a good guy doing a decent job and showing good work ethics.

At the end of his shift one day, he said, "You guys don't celebrate Christmas?"
And before I could reply, he looked around the main hall of our home and said, ".... I see no decorations".

I said, "No we don't celebrate but we do respect the faith and we do respect the event for all those who celebrate. There are of 6 houses in our street and we see that three houses get some sort of Christmas lighting to let us know that they celebrate - so every year we send them a Christmas present (a box of chocolate or something).

From his facial expressions, I noticed that he understood but wanted to know more as to why don't we celebrate?

So he said, "If you don't mind me asking ,what religion are you?"

I said, "We are Muslims and believing in Jesus, and the event of virgin birth is part of our faith. The major difference his, we consider Jesus as one the greatest prophets of God and not the son of God.
And one of the reasons we don't celebrate is because our Islamic calendar is not old enough to record this event. So we don't have any evidence that Dec 25th is actual date of Jesus's birth.

But I tell you a little story that happened to me last week.
I went to post office to ship a small package. It's Christmas season and the post is super busy. Long lines just like everywhere else.

The post office has a little scheme to get into your wallet.

They will refuse to accept any packet that has a packing tape of any other color except of clear tape.
So, folks are caught off guard because they have already used brown or black or any other colored tape to seal the packages. So they make you remove all the tape that is not clear.

Post office clerk, then points to the wall where they have "conveniently" available, that clear tape rolls for sale - and the price is 3 times higher then other places. Clients are in a hurry and have no choice to get the tape since they have already been waiting long enough in the line, so they want to repack the package and drop it off.

I fell into the trap and purchased that roll of tape.
And while I got done with repacking my package, I noticed an older lady that didn't look too affluent, got trapped into the same scheme.

She only had a small letter that he wanted to mail with registry and was a little unhappy, and not really wanted to spend another $7 to buy the clear tape roll and use only 4 inches of it to repack her letter.

I quietly saw her walking unhappily towards the wall where she reluctantly picked a roll and came back to the front desk. There was a subtle and sarcastic smirk on the clerk's face as he felt victorious for a making a sale and earning some commission.

I calculated the timing and felt the iron was hot, so I made the strike just before she opened the tape, and said, here, you can use mine. And handed over tape roll to her.

She had her face bloomed up like a flower as she could not Thank me enough, and gave me a hug. (I felt a little embarrassed as we desis usually have our clothes smell like pakoras due to our cooking style at home where EVERY meal prep starts with frying onions in hot oil. And the fumes emitted from such chemical reaction reach to your clothes no matter how deeply their are buried in whichever closet. Our own smell sensation get immune to it and we simply don't smell it anymore, but trust me others do. Your fresh clothes of the laundry - hang them in your closet, close the closet door and the room door, and then turn the kitchen exhaust on and cook a desi food in the kitchen. Your fresh off the laundry clothes in the closet will pick the spicy fumes, GUARANTEED) lol - but anyway, as I gave her my tape roll, I noticed the sarcastic smile on the clerk's face, quickly turning into a long face and then immediately into fake smile.
I looked at him and said, it's the Christmas season and helping each other is what it's all about, right? He nodded his head and said, Yes Sir!
 
I had this handyman working in my home a couple of days ago. A white American and a good guy doing a decent job and showing good work ethics.

At the end of his shift one day, he said, "You guys don't celebrate Christmas?"
And before I could reply, he looked around the main hall of our home and said, ".... I see no decorations".

I said, "No we don't celebrate but we do respect the faith and we do respect the event for all those who celebrate. There are of 6 houses in our street and we see that three houses get some sort of Christmas lighting to let us know that they celebrate - so every year we send them a Christmas present (a box of chocolate or something).

From his facial expressions, I noticed that he understood but wanted to know more as to why don't we celebrate?

So he said, "If you don't mind me asking ,what religion are you?"

I said, "We are Muslims and believing in Jesus, and the event of virgin birth is part of our faith. The major difference his, we consider Jesus as one the greatest prophets of God and not the son of God.
And one of the reasons we don't celebrate is because our Islamic calendar is not old enough to record this event. So we don't have any evidence that Dec 25th is actual date of Jesus's birth.

But I tell you a little story that happened to me last week.
I went to post office to ship a small package. It's Christmas season and the post is super busy. Long lines just like everywhere else.

The post office has a little scheme to get into your wallet.

They will refuse to accept any packet that has a packing tape of any other color except of clear tape.
So, folks are caught off guard because they have already used brown or black or any other colored tape to seal the packages. So they make you remove all the tape that is not clear.

Post office clerk, then points to the wall where they have "conveniently" available, that clear tape rolls for sale - and the price is 3 times higher then other places. Clients are in a hurry and have no choice to get the tape since they have already been waiting long enough in the line, so they want to repack the package and drop it off.

I fell into the trap and purchased that roll of tape.
And while I got done with repacking my package, I noticed an older lady that didn't look too affluent, got trapped into the same scheme.

She only had a small letter that he wanted to mail with registry and was a little unhappy, and not really wanted to spend another $7 to buy the clear tape roll and use only 4 inches of it to repack her letter.

I quietly saw her walking unhappily towards the wall where she reluctantly picked a roll and came back to the front desk. There was a subtle and sarcastic smirk on the clerk's face as he felt victorious for a making a sale and earning some commission.

I calculated the timing and felt the iron was hot, so I made the strike just before she opened the tape, and said, here, you can use mine. And handed over tape roll to her.

She had her face bloomed up like a flower as she could not Thank me enough, and gave me a hug. (I felt a little embarrassed as we desis usually have our clothes smell like pakoras due to our cooking style at home where EVERY meal prep starts with frying onions in hot oil. And the fumes emitted from such chemical reaction reach to your clothes no matter how deeply their are buried in whichever closet. Our own smell sensation get immune to it and we simply don't smell it anymore, but trust me others do. Your fresh clothes of the laundry - hang them in your closet, close the closet door and the room door, and then turn the kitchen exhaust on and cook a desi food in the kitchen. Your fresh off the laundry clothes in the closet will pick the spicy fumes, GUARANTEED) lol - but anyway, as I gave her my tape roll, I noticed the sarcastic smile on the clerk's face, quickly turning into a long face and then immediately into fake smile.
I looked at him and said, it's the Christmas season and helping each other is what it's all about, right? He nodded his head and said, Yes Sir!

That long story was needless and waste of time to be honest.
 
That long story was needless and waste of time to be honest.

Perhaps wherever possible, trying to happily help someone (regardless of their faith) compensates better instead of extending verbal Christmas greetings. That’s maters most.
There is a little message in the story for those who may choose not to greet Merry Christmas.
 
Someone sent this to me :D

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From me ("the wishor") to you ("hereinafter called the wishee(s)"). Please accept without obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced with the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others,or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all and further for a financially successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2022, but with due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures or sects. The preceding wishes are extended having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform or dietary preference of the wishee(s).

By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms that:

a) This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal

b) This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration shall be made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights of the wishor are acknowledged.

c) This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement any of the wishes.

d) This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or the restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishees in certain jurisdictions and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wishor.

e) This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected within the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting whichever comes first.

f) The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wishor.

g) Any reference in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas", "Our Saviour", or any other festive figures, whether actual or fictitious, dead or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from them in respect of this greeting, and all proprietary rights in any referred third party names and images are hereby acknowledged.
 
Perhaps wherever possible, trying to happily help someone (regardless of their faith) compensates better instead of extending verbal Christmas greetings. That’s maters most.
There is a little message in the story for those who may choose not to greet Merry Christmas.

Why not both? Is it exclusive that if you greet someone, you can't help them also?

On the other hand, If I am dancing around happily in Diwali and I wish you, "happy Diwali" just in a spar of the moment; I generally don't want to hear a lecture about how you don't believe in these traditions, how Muslims don't believe in these celebrations which will be a big turn off and mood killer.

If my Muslim friends says eid Mubarak, I also say the same because it makes them happy. I don't want to go around lecturing about my beliefs in the subject of religion.

In my perspective, some muslims tend to be appear as religious so much that they forget common human interactions and sentiments and emotions.
 
Why not both? Is it exclusive that if you greet someone, you can't help them also?

On the other hand, If I am dancing around happily in Diwali and I wish you, "happy Diwali" just in a spar of the moment; I generally don't want to hear a lecture about how you don't believe in these traditions, how Muslims don't believe in these celebrations which will be a big turn off and mood killer.

If my Muslim friends says eid Mubarak, I also say the same because it makes them happy. I don't want to go around lecturing about my beliefs in the subject of religion.

In my perspective, some muslims tend to be appear as religious so much that they forget common human interactions and sentiments and emotions.

Good point. Human interactions and sentiments should come before point scoring.

I think its the same for Hindus who let emotions come in their way when an ad campaign uses urdu words to mention Jashn E Dewali.

Please next time when you dancing in stupor in Diwali direct some of your attention to their lectures before it kills your mood and becomes a big turn off.
 
Someone sent this to me :D

==

From me ("the wishor") to you ("hereinafter called the wishee(s)"). Please accept without obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced with the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others,or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all and further for a financially successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2022, but with due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures or sects. The preceding wishes are extended having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform or dietary preference of the wishee(s).

By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms that:

a) This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal

b) This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration shall be made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights of the wishor are acknowledged.

c) This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement any of the wishes.

d) This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or the restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishees in certain jurisdictions and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wishor.

e) This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected within the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting whichever comes first.

f) The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wishor.

g) Any reference in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas", "Our Saviour", or any other festive figures, whether actual or fictitious, dead or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from them in respect of this greeting, and all proprietary rights in any referred third party names and images are hereby acknowledged.

Aka Festivus
 
I saw some awful videos of what appeared to be hindus burning effigies of Santa and chanting Santa Claus Murdabad.

Crazy the lengths that these goons are going to in India....yet we have in this thread lecturint Muslims on how they should behave.
 
There is NO hadith or quran ayat that says if I pray 4 units , in fajr prayer it is wrong . There is No hadith or ayat in Quran which says there cannot be azan in Eid salah .

But I think if someone does you would not agree with him.

If you want to wish someone good day that is fine , but when you are talking about a particular day and associate it with a religious act , it becomes part of that thought process.

I think we will have agree to disagree. I understand your concerns and I personally do not celebrate Christmas, nor do my close ones.

However I don't agree that wishing a non muslim a good Christmas is tantamount to acknowledging or condoning unislamic beliefs.

So if you feel that you are able to adopt your stance while still being respectful to your colleagues and neighbours then I can respect that.

I mean some Christian groups like Jehova witness don't wish it either, for similar reasons to you but the posters criticising you for not assimilating wont make similar points about them.
 
Good point. Human interactions and sentiments should come before point scoring.

I think its the same for Hindus who let emotions come in their way when an ad campaign uses urdu words to mention Jashn E Dewali.

Please next time when you dancing in stupor in Diwali direct some of your attention to their lectures before it kills your mood and becomes a big turn off.

This is the issue with some muslims. When something goes against what they believe, they come in to defensive mode and try to attack instead of introspection.

Islam, as a mature religion, I am sure will have guidelines about how a good Muslim should introspect their actions and take remedies instead of attacking the messengers.
 
Why not both? Is it exclusive that if you greet someone, you can't help them also?

On the other hand, If I am dancing around happily in Diwali and I wish you, "happy Diwali" just in a spar of the moment; I generally don't want to hear a lecture about how you don't believe in these traditions, how Muslims don't believe in these celebrations which will be a big turn off and mood killer.

If my Muslim friends says eid Mubarak, I also say the same because it makes them happy. I don't want to go around lecturing about my beliefs in the subject of religion.

In my perspective, some muslims tend to be appear as religious so much that they forget common human interactions and sentiments and emotions.

Ideally yes but easier said than done.

Islamic faith is different than other faiths in some ways.
If a follower of Islamic faith opts out at greeting someone by saying "Merry Christmas", or saying Vande mataram", because they feel it's against the theology of their faith, then IMO, they have a full right to do so.

However, my point is, trying to be helpful to some regardless of their faith trumps the action of not saying Merry Christmas or Vande Mataram of whatever ki jai.

The incident that happened to me in the post office, think about it.
What would that women have valued more? Me saying "Merry Christmas" to her, or letting her borrow my packing tape?

The idea is, if your faith have an obligation to not verbally greet non-muslims with some certain and specific terms then that is acceptable, but you should never stop trying to help someone with whatever you can with, regardless of their faith. Because that matters most.
 
Ideally yes but easier said than done.

Islamic faith is different than other faiths in some ways.
If a follower of Islamic faith opts out at greeting someone by saying "Merry Christmas", or saying Vande mataram", because they feel it's against the theology of their faith, then IMO, they have a full right to do so.

However, my point is, trying to be helpful to some regardless of their faith trumps the action of not saying Merry Christmas or Vande Mataram of whatever ki jai.

The incident that happened to me in the post office, think about it.
What would that women have valued more? Me saying "Merry Christmas" to her, or letting her borrow my packing tape?

The idea is, if your faith have an obligation to not verbally greet non-muslims with some certain and specific terms then that is acceptable, but you should never stop trying to help someone with whatever you can with, regardless of their faith. Because that matters most.

The issue with your statement is, you are comparing two isolated circumstances which could happen both at the same time as they are not exclusive to each other.

So it comes down to priorities. Among the abrahamic faith, I only see some muslims which are hell bent on what good Muslims should do where in their day to day life, they don't even follow common human decency which even Islam teaches to do so.

Can you state that you are following the path exactly the way God has asked you to do so and even while knowing something is not halal, it has stopped you from doing it?

If you could answer with a resounding yes to the above question, then you have my respect and I will understand your hesitation in wishing someone.

If no, then it is a hypocrisy where you choose what guidelines to follow based upon on your own convenience. Isn't it so?
 
The issue with your statement is, you are comparing two isolated circumstances which could happen both at the same time as they are not exclusive to each other.

So it comes down to priorities. Among the abrahamic faith, I only see some muslims which are hell bent on what good Muslims should do where in their day to day life, they don't even follow common human decency which even Islam teaches to do so.

Can you state that you are following the path exactly the way God has asked you to do so and even while knowing something is not halal, it has stopped you from doing it?

If you could answer with a resounding yes to the above question, then you have my respect and I will understand your hesitation in wishing someone.

If no, then it is a hypocrisy where you choose what guidelines to follow based upon on your own convenience. Isn't it so?

Personally, I don't hesitate in greeting fellow Christians with "Merry Christmas" - and as stated previously, every year we send Christmas presents to our neighbors (I hope you do it too).

So your premise does not apply personally to me. I have no problem in greeting folks with "Merry Christmas". It's then another story that here in United States, hardly anyone greets anyone with the words "Merry Christmas" in the public. May be they do it inside the Church or inside their home and families and close friends. Otherwise "Happy Holidays" is the standard term.

And the reason is, many people who may look all full blown white Americans (that we automatically assume are Christians) or Blacks or Hispanics or East Asians in United States, actually do NOT like to be greeted with the term "Merry Christmas". They don't wanna hear it. What do you say to them? They could be Atheists or other faiths or agnostics or non-believers and they dislike it when greeted with Merry Christmas.

So, it's not only saying but also listening to the term "Merry Christmas" could be not a whole lot welcoming gesture in United States. And hence, "Happy Holidays" does the job for all.

What I said in that particular point if that some decides NOT to use the words "Merry Christmas" or Vande Mataram", then they have a full right to do so regardless how poorly their follow other aspects of their faiths. It's not our concern, and we are not here to judge.
 
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What I said in that particular point if that some decides NOT to use the words "Merry Christmas" or Vande Mataram", then they have a full right to do so regardless how poorly their follow other aspects of their faiths. It's not our concern, and we are not here to judge.

"Right" is a big word. In that particular sense on the context that you've used, if people dislike Muslims or Islam for their principles/behaviors, then they also have full right to dislike which will eventually lead to Islamophobia.

If you choose to do an action, then one should expect that there will be a reaction which one might not want. There's no issue as long AS THAT person is OK with the reactions.
 
I had this handyman working in my home a couple of days ago. A white American and a good guy doing a decent job and showing good work ethics.

At the end of his shift one day, he said, "You guys don't celebrate Christmas?"
And before I could reply, he looked around the main hall of our home and said, ".... I see no decorations".

I said, "No we don't celebrate but we do respect the faith and we do respect the event for all those who celebrate. There are of 6 houses in our street and we see that three houses get some sort of Christmas lighting to let us know that they celebrate - so every year we send them a Christmas present (a box of chocolate or something).

From his facial expressions, I noticed that he understood but wanted to know more as to why don't we celebrate?

So he said, "If you don't mind me asking ,what religion are you?"

I said, "We are Muslims and believing in Jesus, and the event of virgin birth is part of our faith. The major difference his, we consider Jesus as one the greatest prophets of God and not the son of God.
And one of the reasons we don't celebrate is because our Islamic calendar is not old enough to record this event. So we don't have any evidence that Dec 25th is actual date of Jesus's birth.

But I tell you a little story that happened to me last week.
I went to post office to ship a small package. It's Christmas season and the post is super busy. Long lines just like everywhere else.

The post office has a little scheme to get into your wallet.

They will refuse to accept any packet that has a packing tape of any other color except of clear tape.
So, folks are caught off guard because they have already used brown or black or any other colored tape to seal the packages. So they make you remove all the tape that is not clear.

Post office clerk, then points to the wall where they have "conveniently" available, that clear tape rolls for sale - and the price is 3 times higher then other places. Clients are in a hurry and have no choice to get the tape since they have already been waiting long enough in the line, so they want to repack the package and drop it off.

I fell into the trap and purchased that roll of tape.
And while I got done with repacking my package, I noticed an older lady that didn't look too affluent, got trapped into the same scheme.

She only had a small letter that he wanted to mail with registry and was a little unhappy, and not really wanted to spend another $7 to buy the clear tape roll and use only 4 inches of it to repack her letter.

I quietly saw her walking unhappily towards the wall where she reluctantly picked a roll and came back to the front desk. There was a subtle and sarcastic smirk on the clerk's face as he felt victorious for a making a sale and earning some commission.

I calculated the timing and felt the iron was hot, so I made the strike just before she opened the tape, and said, here, you can use mine. And handed over tape roll to her.

She had her face bloomed up like a flower as she could not Thank me enough, and gave me a hug. (I felt a little embarrassed as we desis usually have our clothes smell like pakoras due to our cooking style at home where EVERY meal prep starts with frying onions in hot oil. And the fumes emitted from such chemical reaction reach to your clothes no matter how deeply their are buried in whichever closet. Our own smell sensation get immune to it and we simply don't smell it anymore, but trust me others do. Your fresh clothes of the laundry - hang them in your closet, close the closet door and the room door, and then turn the kitchen exhaust on and cook a desi food in the kitchen. Your fresh off the laundry clothes in the closet will pick the spicy fumes, GUARANTEED) lol - but anyway, as I gave her my tape roll, I noticed the sarcastic smile on the clerk's face, quickly turning into a long face and then immediately into fake smile.
I looked at him and said, it's the Christmas season and helping each other is what it's all about, right? He nodded his head and said, Yes Sir!
Lol this was one long story which really didn’t make any real point haha.

Plus i doubt what you’re saying about the clerk makes sense. I send posts regularly and the type of tape rarely matters. Secondly and more importantly, the clerk is on a fixed per hour salary and whether a tape is sold or not makes no difference to him. So highly doubt he is trying to drive up sales of a tape lol
 
"Right" is a big word. In that particular sense on the context that you've used, if people dislike Muslims or Islam for their principles/behaviors, then they also have full right to dislike which will eventually lead to Islamophobia.

It already happens, no?
People have the right to react to the kind of Islam that gets presented to them.
And other people also have the right to work towards removing the islamophobia that gets created based on biased n twisted information.

Same goes for Hinduism.

If you choose to do an action, then one should expect that there will be a reaction which one might not want. There's no issue as long AS THAT person is OK with the reactions.

This is a double edge sword, isn’t it?

What if someone is NOT ok with being greeted with the term “Merry Christmas”?

Since we are at political correctness, do you have a better suggestion as to how to greet the citizens in a Christian majority western country, where a potentially significant amount of people do not wish to be greeted with “Merry Christmas”. They simply don’t want to hear it when directed towards them.

Should we ask them before hand as to what’s your religion n if you are OK with being greeted with “Merry Christmas” or not?
 
This is the issue with some muslims. When something goes against what they believe, they come in to defensive mode and try to attack instead of introspection.

Islam, as a mature religion, I am sure will have guidelines about how a good Muslim should introspect their actions and take remedies instead of attacking the messengers.
See this is the problem with Hindus.

When they are asked to self reflect, they bash Muslims.

We have had mature level headed debates between muslims who share different views on the subject.

However when you are asked to self reflect you get paranoid.

I genuinley think you have a phobia of Muslims. Not 'Islamophobia' but a genuine psychological condition that requires therapy and treatment, otherwise you seem prone to potentially extremist behaviour.
 
I think we will have agree to disagree. I understand your concerns and I personally do not celebrate Christmas, nor do my close ones.

However I don't agree that wishing a non muslim a good Christmas is tantamount to acknowledging or condoning unislamic beliefs.

So if you feel that you are able to adopt your stance while still being respectful to your colleagues and neighbours then I can respect that.

I mean some Christian groups like Jehova witness don't wish it either, for similar reasons to you but the posters criticising you for not assimilating wont make similar points about them.

Brother the incident that prophet allowed Christians to pray inside the Mosque is not right. This is in history books like Ibn Kathir , but the chains are not joint , meaning narrators are missing .
That is why Islam is a religion where the authenticity is maintained and trust me the hadith scholars have devoted whole lives for this.

The whole idea of Christmas is fake because the main event that Jesus was born on that day is wrong !

Reality is that Muslims love and follow Jesus more than any Christian if we look into the bible.

Well if you want to wish someone go ahead and do it , Me or anyone cannot force you to do anything , my job is just to make points and let you know , after that its your wish.

As I explained before , we need to understand when we wish Christsmas to any Christian what exactly are we wishing them for ? What is the belief they have regarding that festival?

Jehovah witness have separate beliefs , they do not believe Jesus was born on that day , they are also against having Idols inside Churches. Those who are criticizing me , you can see there level.

Read above , someone said I need to respect Canada as a Christian Country !

This is the level of knowledge of people , that they think that wishing Christmas is part of the Canadian constitution !!!

Moreover they do not even understand first person speech or second person speech in any language , and they want to debate !

When it comes to a doctor no one complaints or question them regarding the drugs they prescribe , but when it comes to religion people call them Mullah , and question him about each action

Why should Muslims have to answer about everything ? Why should Moulvi be questioned about everything ?
Have you ever seen anyone say that I do not need doctors , I can read a Medical book and treat myself ?
 
Lol this was one long story which really didn’t make any real point haha.

Plus i doubt what you’re saying about the clerk makes sense. I send posts regularly and the type of tape rarely matters. Secondly and more importantly, the clerk is on a fixed per hour salary and whether a tape is sold or not makes no difference to him. So highly doubt he is trying to drive up sales of a tape lol

point of the story was explained in Post # 185.

Here is the tape they sell at USPS stores.
You can even buy it at office depot.

Clear tape is the way at USPS at least in my area. Not sure about yours.

https://www.officedepot.com/a/produ...NI4eX2OGMYPUEI273LgaAoYtEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
 
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In this Zakir Naik video about Muslims wishing christians a merry christmas, it is Zakir Naik who is jumping to all the conclusions. That kid never said anything about eating pork,drinking alcohol or going to church to worship Jesus Christ with christians in order to build relationships with them.

He is merely asking how for a muslim to say the two words "Merry Christmas" to a christian is an act of blasphemy and a path to Jahannam or building a place in Jahannam?? :13: :13:
 
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In this Zakir Naik video about Muslims wishing christians a merry christmas, it is Zakir Naik who is jumping to all the conclusions. That kid never said anything about eating pork,drinking alcohol or going to church to worship Jesus Christ with christians in order to build relationships with them.

He is merely asking how for a muslim to say the two words "Merry Christmas" to a christian is an act of blasphemy and a path to Jahannam or building a place in Jahannam?? :13: :13:

The thing to note is that what Christians believe about Christmas , they do not believe Jesus to be normal Child , they believe him to be part of divinity , which is wrong as per Islam as well as Chritsianity

When you are wishing someone for that , it means you agree with their interpretation.

Now , whether a person will go to hell or not we do not know, Only Allah swt knows. An act of kufr does not always make a person disbeliever.

But as Muslim a person has to say that this is a wrong act.
 
The thing to note is that what Christians believe about Christmas , they do not believe Jesus to be normal Child , they believe him to be part of divinity , which is wrong as per Islam as well as Chritsianity

When you are wishing someone for that , it means you agree with their interpretation.

Now , whether a person will go to hell or not we do not know, Only Allah swt knows. An act of kufr does not always make a person disbeliever.

But as Muslim a person has to say that this is a wrong act.

Surely there is a difference between going to church and worshipping Jesus Christ with the Christians, OR merely saying the two words "merry Christmas" to my christian friends or co-workers as a courtesy and respect, especially since they also congratulate me on Eid and Ramadan.

So what are your views on muslims congratulating hindus on Diwali?
Since Hindus tend to worship idols as part of Diwali celebrations, by the same argument muslims who congratulate hindus on Diwali are endorsing idol-worship?
 
It is not right for a Muslim to wish Merry Christmas to someone because by doing so he’s validated another religion and thereby paved way for people to denounce Islam as a false religion.

I have respect for Muslims who maintain the sanctity of their religion by not indulging in such things.
 
If you’re a Muslim. Then no. No need for 3500 word essays to explain why. God said no, don’t participate in anything even remotely close to shirk or bid’ah. So don’t. Done.
 
Merry Christmas

Wishing Festival of any religion has nothing to do with own religion .

Everyone can wish .
 
Merry Christmas everyone. Whether you celebrate it for religious reasons or just be part of the festivities, it is a wonderful time of the year.

My both kids are always excited about decorating Christmas tree. We have set up in our living room like we always do. Presents will be opened in the morning👍
 
I am sure almighty if exists don’t care about petty things like wishing someone on their religious holidays.
 
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I am sure almighty if exists don’t care about petty things like wishing someone on their religious holidays.

Whether something is petty or significant that depends on God , just like what is petty or important or significant to you depends upon you.

I cannot say that something is significant or of no value for Mr Champ.
 
I would never wish Muslims on Eid because it conflicts with my views on religion.

With Christmas i have an emotional relationship however as when I was a young chap i would go out on Christmas parties with my girlfriends and it used to give me goosebumps and make me feel Hellaluya.
 
As a Muslim, I may not celebrate Christmas, but let's embrace this festive energy to spread love and compassion throughout the year.
 
@Bhaijaan this is somewhere in Pakistan, minorities celebrating it with full freedom

Brother I have always maintained that Pakistanis are the best Muslims in the subcontinent. During partition most of the well to do good Muslims went to Pakistan and we in Bharat were left with the worst of the lower caste Muslims who have done nothing good for our nation and less said about the Bengali Muslims the better. You have seen their truth in the last couple of months.

Pakistanis are just unfortunate that they could not form a functioning democracy in their country otherwise they would have been a much better country. Still they’re on the right track I must say.

If I would ever have to be surrounded by thousands of Muslims, I’d prefer being in Pakistan than Bharat or Bangladesh. Not even in third rate cities abroad like Bradford etc.
 
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