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Clash of egos on the England tour likely? or will this result in the best preparation and support for our troops?

Based on previous history of Younis and possibly Waqar - not sure if this is such a great idea to have all these people in one boat!
 
Clash of egos on the England tour likely? or will this result in the best preparation and support for our troops?

Based on previous history of Younis and possibly Waqar - not sure if this is such a great idea to have all these people in one boat!

Nah, Younis never came between Misbah and captaini.

Misbah is a pro.
 
Clash of egos on the England tour likely? or will this result in the best preparation and support for our troops?

Based on previous history of Younis and possibly Waqar - not sure if this is such a great idea to have all these people in one boat!

Gonna have to wait and see how the West Indies tour goes honestly. If it works out well then we'll see what kind of preparation will be done. Overall this could cause some issues in England and I'm not talking about the cricket on the field.
 
Excellent news.

It dilutes the power of Misbah by making him outnumbered by more senior figures.

And Mushtaq, Younis and Waqar are incredibly respected figures in England. So is Misbah too, to be honest, but he doesn’t have the stature or reputation of those three in England.
 
The names mentioned could all be a dream team of backroom staff as long as they have one, solid international coach.
 
Looks like Misbah prep is being under estimated. All departments seems to have excellent coaches. To that the team comes together under misbah so he can guide the team with the input and work of the 3 other coaches with him.

Misbah and Younis work with the Batsmen

Waqas and Mushy with the bowlers.
 
Well previous set up had Mickey Arther, Grant Flower, Steve Rixon/ Grant Bradburn and Azher Mahmood. Even then many felt that there was a spin bowling coach required.

So if we consider PCT’s own previous set up and set ups of other teams around, I dont think so its something out of the ordinary. 3-4 coaches are pretty normal now a days.
 
We need a specialist batting coach and specialist bowling coach as Misbah has not shown any signs of being trusted to develop players.
 
This thread will spread some negativity.
It's normal to have 3-4 coaches in int'l cricket.
 
No fielding coach, which is a concern.

I'd rather have a fielding coach over a spin-bowling coach.
 
No fielding coach, which is a concern.

I'd rather have a fielding coach over a spin-bowling coach.

Agreed. Spin-bowling coach in England seems kinda pointless when only one spinner will likely be playing. Meanwhile, if Pakistan's fielding is at its usual level we will lose the series.
 
We need a specialist batting coach and specialist bowling coach as Misbah has not shown any signs of being trusted to develop players.

Younis khan is a specialist batting coach?
Waqar is specialist bowling coach
 
Agreed. Spin-bowling coach in England seems kinda pointless when only one spinner will likely be playing. Meanwhile, if Pakistan's fielding is at its usual level we will lose the series.

1 spinner can win u a game singlehandedly

Fielding coach can you improve in 1 month ?
 
How? They all have a certain role to do.

And batting wise, I'd expect Younis and Misbah to share a similar philosophy.
 
I think YK is our greatest test player ever.

However, who can forget him jumping around at the crease towards the end of his career?

Should he really be a batting coach?
 
I think YK is our greatest test player ever.

However, who can forget him jumping around at the crease towards the end of his career?

Should he really be a batting coach?

If we go by that logic then mickey should have never been our head coach as he was a mediocre domestic player
And regarding YOUNUS KHAN even while jumping he scored a brilliant match winning double century
Hes the only pakistani to have 10k test runs
Have faith he ll turn out to be good
 
If we go by that logic then mickey should have never been our head coach as he was a mediocre domestic player
And regarding YOUNUS KHAN even while jumping he scored a brilliant match winning double century
Hes the only pakistani to have 10k test runs
Have faith he ll turn out to be good

I fink he could be useful regarding self belief and confidence and believing in your own technique
 
1 spinner can win u a game singlehandedly

Fielding coach can you improve in 1 month ?

It's England, not India.

Yes. Because a fielding coach focuses on specific areas of fielding. And at the end of the day practicing is half the job. The more you practice the better your reaction time gets. The other half of the job is staying awake on the field so you don't look like a deer caught in the headlights when the ball comes towards you.
 
Younis was a very mediocre player of lateral movement. He has been able to handle pace and bounce on occasion, but swing/seam has always been his weakness. His runs in the UK have mostly come on flat pitches under clear skies.

He was particularly embarrassing to watching in the first three Tests in England in 2016 as well as the New Zealand tour in 2017 where he batted like a number 11.

Nevertheless, he had several exceptional qualities that allowed him to muster a mountain of runs at a high average. He can show Babar a thing or two about converting 100s into 200s.

Mediocre geezers like Azhar and Asad are beyond hope.
 
It's England, not India.

Yes. Because a fielding coach focuses on specific areas of fielding. And at the end of the day practicing is half the job. The more you practice the better your reaction time gets. The other half of the job is staying awake on the field so you don't look like a deer caught in the headlights when the ball comes towards you.

So fielding in england is harder than in india stats please.well why havent pakistan improved in the last year?
Reaction get rid of azhar shafiq all the oldest and I guarantee you the fielding will improve its comes natural fielding
 
PCB splashing the cash. Hope it works.

Personally I don't like these short-term appointments especially as therenis no camp before the tour anyway.
 
I think PCB has made a fantastic decision by hiring Mushtaq Ahmed. I expect a cracking series.
 
PCB splashing the cash. Hope it works.

Personally I don't like these short-term appointments especially as therenis no camp before the tour anyway.

I think its just to see how they do and if they do good job they will be given a job
 
Not sure why a spin bowling coach is needed, how many spinners do we have in the squad? Yasir Shah is a 6 year veteran with 200 plus test wickets, he still needs molly coddling?
 
Younis was a very mediocre player of lateral movement. He has been able to handle pace and bounce on occasion, but swing/seam has always been his weakness. His runs in the UK have mostly come on flat pitches under clear skies.

He was particularly embarrassing to watching in the first three Tests in England in 2016 as well as the New Zealand tour in 2017 where he batted like a number 11.

Nevertheless, he had several exceptional qualities that allowed him to muster a mountain of runs at a high average. He can show Babar a thing or two about converting 100s into 200s.

Mediocre geezers like Azhar and Asad are beyond hope.

Many youngsters have confirmed about being inspired by Younis Khan's work ethic behind the scenes and his life philosophies. Even Shan Masood someone who has access to many reputed people considers Younis Khan an inspiration
 
Not sure why a spin bowling coach is needed, how many spinners do we have in the squad? Yasir Shah is a 6 year veteran with 200 plus test wickets, he still needs molly coddling?

Imad waseem,shadab,yasir all spinners
 
Many youngsters have confirmed about being inspired by Younis Khan's work ethic behind the scenes and his life philosophies. Even Shan Masood someone who has access to many reputed people considers Younis Khan an inspiration

He is an inspiration and pluss he has good relationship with misbah
 
Younis khan is a specialist batting coach?
Waqar is specialist bowling coach

I am aware of those coaches. OP saying we have too many cooks but we need specialist coaches as Misbah has no record of improving players.
 
PCB splashing the cash. Hope it works.

Personally I don't like these short-term appointments especially as therenis no camp before the tour anyway.

PCB’s solution for every problem these days is to throw extra money. You have to question the logic behind appointing a batting coach when you have Misbah as the head coach.

Not sure what Misbah’s role is going to be as a coach beyond putting training cones and drawing stuff on the whiteboard.

For me, hiring a batting coach is surplus to requirements when your head coach was also an international batsman who retired only 3 years ago.

PCB seems to be playing to the galleries excessively. Create fancy “high performance” roles and hand them over to previously failed people and hire a big name batting coach just to give the impression that we are heading in the right direction.
 
PCB’s solution for every problem these days is to throw extra money. You have to question the logic behind appointing a batting coach when you have Misbah as the head coach.

Not sure what Misbah’s role is going to be as a coach beyond putting training cones and drawing stuff on the whiteboard.

For me, hiring a batting coach is surplus to requirements when your head coach was also an international batsman who retired only 3 years ago.

PCB seems to be playing to the galleries excessively. Create fancy “high performance” roles and hand them over to previously failed people and hire a big name batting coach just to give the impression that we are heading in the right direction.

This is a good point.

Surely the need of the hour should be to hire coaches where the bases are not covered, such as a fielding coach.

I can't imagine YK would have much more to add than Misbah when it comes to a few weeks of batting coaching.
 
PCB’s solution for every problem these days is to throw extra money. You have to question the logic behind appointing a batting coach when you have Misbah as the head coach.

Not sure what Misbah’s role is going to be as a coach beyond putting training cones and drawing stuff on the whiteboard.

For me, hiring a batting coach is surplus to requirements when your head coach was also an international batsman who retired only 3 years ago.

PCB seems to be playing to the galleries excessively. Create fancy “high performance” roles and hand them over to previously failed people and hire a big name batting coach just to give the impression that we are heading in the right direction.

Misbah is not going to improve any batter. We need a specialist batting coach.
 
Imad waseem,shadab,yasir all spinners

Usman Qadir as well.

And there’s still the chance for an unexpected callup.

Kashif Bhatti is still in and around the side, and Zafar Gohar could also be given a chance.
 
PCB’s solution for every problem these days is to throw extra money. You have to question the logic behind appointing a batting coach when you have Misbah as the head coach.

Not sure what Misbah’s role is going to be as a coach beyond putting training cones and drawing stuff on the whiteboard.

For me, hiring a batting coach is surplus to requirements when your head coach was also an international batsman who retired only 3 years ago.

PCB seems to be playing to the galleries excessively. Create fancy “high performance” roles and hand them over to previously failed people and hire a big name batting coach just to give the impression that we are heading in the right direction.

I guess the dictator came to realise that appointing himself all these roles was far more than he could handle. Besides, gives him more people to blame when the team inevitably flops against England.
 
I didn't say they aren't specialist coaches. I don't get what point you are trying to make tbh.

Try not to figure how you say pakistan need specialist coaches but then in this post tou say u didnt say lol
 
Usman Qadir as well.

And there’s still the chance for an unexpected callup.

Kashif Bhatti is still in and around the side, and Zafar Gohar could also be given a chance.

Yup usman qadir maybe another spinner but doubt they will be more than 5 spinners on tour
 
Younis khan is more a fitness coach than a batting coach and Noone knows English summers better than mushtaq

It will only work if waqar and Mushtaq are respected as ultultimately the bowling needs to fire
 
Younis khan is more a fitness coach than a batting coach and Noone knows English summers better than mushtaq

It will only work if waqar and Mushtaq are respected as ultultimately the bowling needs to fire

I agree hes proberly the best slip catcher pakistan has had and we no about slip catching in Pakistan and his fitness proberly stil is the best
 
I agree hes proberly the best slip catcher pakistan has had and we no about slip catching in Pakistan and his fitness proberly stil is the best

He took Fielding and fitness to never before seen levels on Pakistan as did Misbah
 
PCB’s solution for every problem these days is to throw extra money. You have to question the logic behind appointing a batting coach when you have Misbah as the head coach.

Not sure what Misbah’s role is going to be as a coach beyond putting training cones and drawing stuff on the whiteboard.

For me, hiring a batting coach is surplus to requirements when your head coach was also an international batsman who retired only 3 years ago.

PCB seems to be playing to the galleries excessively. Create fancy “high performance” roles and hand them over to previously failed people and hire a big name batting coach just to give the impression that we are heading in the right direction.

Maybe i have low expectations but i find it hard to criticise this. For once the PCB throwing money at problems is much better than the usual where we see a penny pinching organisation and money seems to 'disappearing' into thin air/people's pockets.

There's might not be an actual negative to the appointment so if all Misbah does is put the cones out then so be it. I'm sure there'll be use for him and Younis though.
 
Almost certain, YK will pick up a fight with someone and will leave the touring party during .
 
Afridi thinks all the selections were 'Zabardast'

I think this can't end without any drama.

*** Afridi quotes in post below ***
 
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Wasn't Grant Bradburn our fielding coach? It looks like the PCB is yet to hire a replacement
 
So fielding in england is harder than in india stats please.well why havent pakistan improved in the last year?
Reaction get rid of azhar shafiq all the oldest and I guarantee you the fielding will improve its comes natural fielding

I think you woefully misunderstood what I said. It's England, not India meaning even one spinner might be too much if its a green-top.

Yeah that's not happening. Also, Asad Shafiq is one of the best fielders in the side so you argument holds no water. Even Azhar Ali, despite not being as good as Shafiq is decent enough in the slips. Only real liability in the field is Haris.
 
Misbah is so lucky!!!! Wasim Khan is working really hard to save Misbah. Wish Micky got this much support.
If Misbah fail, Wasim Khan needs to go first for all these fake advertisements. Need a clean, smart and bold person to run the MD position to PCB. Our cricket will eventually rise after that!!!
 
Try not to figure how you say pakistan need specialist coaches but then in this post tou say u didnt say lol

We need specialist coaches. We have them. I would prefer better ones but it's better than relying on Misbah who I don't trust in a coaching aspect.
 
Afridi's comments on these changes:


"PCB's decision to appoint Younis Khan as batting coach is a 'zabardast' decision"

"I am personally very pleased about this as this guy is very hard-working, he has performed well in England and those performances matter in this context"

"He has a lot of experience and not only does he talk about coaching to players, he takes them to the nets and coaches them there too - so does throwdowns too with them"

"There was a need for such a coach so a good decision by the PCB"

"The decision to take on Mushtaq Ahmed is also a good one as he has played in England a lot"

"He has played county, and also was part of the England Ashes winning coaching staff"

"Our spinners will get a lot of support due to him"

"Overall with Misbah as Head Coach and then having Waqar Younis, Mushtaq Ahmed and now Younis Khan is a good decision by PCB"

"The decision to take on Saqlain and Nadeem Khan is also a good decision as in to bring them into the PCB"

"Look this (PCB Coaching) is a cricketers show - only cricketers can run this and would be good if they do that"

"The surrounding management is sincere and their performance is also good"

"When such big names come together, there are bound to be some issues, especially when team loses - its the role of these big names to keep everyone gelled together as victory and losses happen"

"If everyone focusses on his own domain then things will become very easy"


"From my end, I wish all of them good luck and well done to the PCB"
 
We need specialist coaches. We have them. I would prefer better ones but it's better than relying on Misbah who I don't trust in a coaching aspect.

Bearing in mind what pcb pay compared to other countries

Who's a better batting coach,miadad,yousuf,inzi ?
Bowling coach wasim,shaoib?
 
The only problem is the history between Younis and Waqar, but I expect Misbah to keep them at bay. He is a good man manager. He will be content with staying out of the limelight and let Younis or Mushi or Waqar work where they would like to.
 
I think you woefully misunderstood what I said. It's England, not India meaning even one spinner might be too much if its a green-top.

Yeah that's not happening. Also, Asad Shafiq is one of the best fielders in the side so you argument holds no water. Even Azhar Ali, despite not being as good as Shafiq is decent enough in the slips. Only real liability in the field is Haris.

Lol you tell me last time in england in a test series was played without a spinner literally everyone plays 1 spinner even in england.

Shadab,hassan ali,babar are all better fielders than shafiq they dont field in slips but are defo better fielders.

Also if your saying asad shafiq azhar are good fielders and the only one who ain't harris do we need a fielding coach
 
Nadeem Khan apparently has excellent man management skills. He played a vital role in getting YK on board.
 
Lol you tell me last time in england in a test series was played without a spinner literally everyone plays 1 spinner even in england.

Shadab,hassan ali,babar are all better fielders than shafiq they dont field in slips but are defo better fielders.

Also if your saying asad shafiq azhar are good fielders and the only one who ain't harris do we need a fielding coach

Go look at my first comment where I said only one spinner will likely be playing. To hire a spin-bowling coach for one, atmost two spinners seems pointless when you are touring a country where spin is barely a factor.

You are failing to understand my point. It is not about good fielders and bad fielders. The term catches win matches may be cliched but nowhere is it more true than England where the natural swing and seam extracts far more edges from the pitches than it would in most other countries around the world. If your fielding is not up to the mark you will lose the series. A fielding coach pushes the players in fielding through drills and other exercises because that is literally his job. This keeps the players attuned, prepared and better equipped to hold onto their catches in the match.
 
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Usman Qadir as well.

And there’s still the chance for an unexpected callup.

Kashif Bhatti is still in and around the side, and Zafar Gohar could also be given a chance.

Umer khan should get called up and tried for this England tour. They should try him since the WT20 and Asia cup is in few months and Pakistan needs a spin partner with Shadab.

I agree that Zafar Gohar should be picked up for tests. After the stats that he put up in the Quaid e Azam trophy, he deserves it.
 
Nadeem Khan apparently has excellent man management skills. He played a vital role in getting YK on board.

Yeah he did. In his interview on TV he was saying that he has talked to former players like Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousaf and etc about coming in and coaching and they agreed. Nadeem Khan said that going forward former players will be involved.

So credit goes to Nadeem Khan and PCB for taking these smart, thoughtful decisions for the betterment of Pakistan cricket.
 
Good news is that YK is passionate about batting - his patience will be tested with our younger guys.
 
Bearing in mind what pcb pay compared to other countries

Who's a better batting coach,miadad,yousuf,inzi ?
Bowling coach wasim,shaoib?

Inzi could be a brilliant batting coach. But there is a chance he could bring politics and favoritism into the equation as we saw when he was captain and selector.

Mohammed Yusuf would also be a brilliant batting coach. But he does have attitude issues and doesn't always get on with people.

Would rather see 1 of these 2 as batting coach over YK.

I don't think Wasim is a good bowling coach. He was so naturally talented that he didn't need to work as hard as others to figure things out. Also when I have listened to his analysis as a commentator he doesn't always explain things well.
 
Misbah knows how to handle personalities. he for sure approved appointments of the support staff.
 
Go look at my first comment where I said only one spinner will likely be playing. To hire a spin-bowling coach for one, atmost two spinners seems pointless when you are touring a country where spin is barely a factor.

You are failing to understand my point. It is not about good fielders and bad fielders. The term catches win matches may be cliched but nowhere is it more true than England where the natural swing and seam extracts far more edges from the pitches than it would in most other countries around the world. If your fielding is not up to the mark you will lose the series. A fielding coach pushes the players in fielding through drills and other exercises because that is literally his job. This keeps the players attuned, prepared and better equipped to hold onto their catches in the match.

2 spinners will play in t20s
1 spinner will play in tests

Allrother in the series there's will be more than 2 spinners maybe 3 or 4.have you seen the stats at lords regarding spinning pitches.

but then again you have younis who is proberly the best slip catcher pakistan has ever had the fittest proberly stil at his age.
 
Inzi could be a brilliant batting coach. But there is a chance he could bring politics and favoritism into the equation as we saw when he was captain and selector.

Mohammed Yusuf would also be a brilliant batting coach. But he does have attitude issues and doesn't always get on with people.

Would rather see 1 of these 2 as batting coach over YK.

I don't think Wasim is a good bowling coach. He was so naturally talented that he didn't need to work as hard as others to figure things out. Also when I have listened to his analysis as a commentator he doesn't always explain things well.

I would have taken muhammed yusuf but then again he has attitude problem.


So overall il take younis I seen a few vidoes of him on YouTube where hes doing some coaching very basic ones I also belibe hes fittest going around so he can make them aware of this aspect to.

So else would you pick as bowling coach as your the one who's saying we need specialist coaches lol

Shaoib would be good but he thinks hes bigger than anyone and may encounter problems.with the pcb
 
Good news is that YK is passionate about batting - his patience will be tested with our younger guys.

I seen a vidoe on YouTube were hes going throw a technique of playing sweep with a younger player and also a vidoe of him with kaneria were he stats he kept getting hit but he didnt let kaneria have his field and then ended up getting the wicket
 
Couple more appointments and the coaches can probably make a team to take on England on their own. Can probably win a game or two as well.

Too many big voices pose danger of confusing Pakistan's already diffident players.

The captains may end up not thinking at all on the field and just trying too hard to 'listen' to the coaches. Pakistan's best results have come under strong captains, not strong coaches.

I am very very apprehensive.
 
Couple more appointments and the coaches can probably make a team to take on England on their own. Can probably win a game or two as well.

Too many big voices pose danger of confusing Pakistan's already diffident players.

The captains may end up not thinking at all on the field and just trying too hard to 'listen' to the coaches. Pakistan's best results have come under strong captains, not strong coaches.

I am very very apprehensive.

Unfortunately times have changed and we dont have strong captains
 
Apart from Mushtaq, the other three are hotheads/dictators. It will be a long tour for the players :wa.

PCB is in funds saving mode. That is why they are not appointing any qualified foreign coaches and instead have appointed these anariis (baring Mushi).
 
Apart from Mushtaq, the other three are hotheads/dictators. It will be a long tour for the players :wa.

PCB is in funds saving mode. That is why they are not appointing any qualified foreign coaches and instead have appointed these anariis (baring Mushi).

The fact of the matter is no foreign coach will want to coach Pakistan they dont pay enough if so who would you say is qualified foreign coach
 
The fact of the matter is no foreign coach will want to coach Pakistan they dont pay enough if so who would you say is qualified foreign coach

What's the minimum pay do you think could attract a top foreign coach?
 
What's the minimum pay do you think could attract a top foreign coach?

I think ravi shastri earns this much from reports PKR 175,000,000

Misbah earns PKR 40,000,000 not sure if the figures are true thou if they are they need to atleast double that even with that you wont attract the best of the best maybe around 1000,000,000
 
I think ravi shastri earns this much from reports PKR 175,000,000

Misbah earns PKR 40,000,000 not sure if the figures are true thou if they are they need to atleast double that even with that you wont attract the best of the best maybe around 1000,000,000

I think that's correct for Misbah, I agree doubling that would be the way to go. Hopefully, with international cricket slowly returning to Pakistan and the PSL, PCB can gain far more revenue to pay the appropriate rates.
 
I think that's correct for Misbah, I agree doubling that would be the way to go. Hopefully, with international cricket slowly returning to Pakistan and the PSL, PCB can gain far more revenue to pay the appropriate rates.

Misbah is taking the Role as selector and and cheif coach so typically hes getting paid 10,000,000 for chef selector and 30,000,000 or which ever way u say it I dont think Pcb can pay anyfink like that ravi is getting paid.we need to develop our own coaches Instead of looking outside
 
Misbah is taking the Role as selector and and cheif coach so typically hes getting paid 10,000,000 for chef selector and 30,000,000 or which ever way u say it I dont think Pcb can pay anyfink like that ravi is getting paid.we need to develop our own coaches Instead of looking outside

Yeh, they won't be able to pay BCCI rates but they should still aim to pay a lot more than they are right now and make the operations highly professionalised and efficient. The top player retainers are only paying the equivalent of what senior level professionals in the West might be making.

Granted, the standard of living is different and exchange rates are not favourable to the PKR but it should at least be a bit more.
 
Yeh, they won't be able to pay BCCI rates but they should still aim to pay a lot more than they are right now and make the operations highly professionalised and efficient. The top player retainers are only paying the equivalent of what senior level professionals in the West might be making.

Granted, the standard of living is different and exchange rates are not favourable to the PKR but it should at least be a bit more.

Yup agreed
 
I would have taken muhammed yusuf but then again he has attitude problem.


So overall il take younis I seen a few vidoes of him on YouTube where hes doing some coaching very basic ones I also belibe hes fittest going around so he can make them aware of this aspect to.

So else would you pick as bowling coach as your the one who's saying we need specialist coaches lol

Shaoib would be good but he thinks hes bigger than anyone and may encounter problems.with the pcb


Younis failed to overcome his weaknesses against pace and swing. I have serious doubts he can improve others in this aspect.

We have Waqar as a bowling coach anyway. But someone like David Sakar or Allan Donald would be better. Unlikely to happen though.
 
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