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Top 5 Asian Test batsmen ever?

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Who are the 5 greatest test batsmen from Asia in your opinion?

My list in order:

1) Sachin
2) Gavaskar
3) Sanga
4) Dravid
5) Miandad
 
1.Sachin
2.Sangakarra
3.Miandad/Gavasker
4.Dravid
5.Too many contenders with variable credentials
 
1) Sachin Tendulker
2) Sunil Gavasker/Javed Miandad
3) Javed Miandad/Sunil Gavasker
4) Kumar Sangakkara
5) Younis Khan

This is a perfect list. Rahul Dravid just misses out and Inzamam, Yousuf, Laxman and Hanif/Anwar/Mahela make up the top ten.
 
1.Sunny Gavaskar - played well even against the toughest bowling attack of all time: West Indies

2.Sachin Tendulkar - longevity, although played a little too long

3.Kumar Sangakkara - great numbers, excellent batsman in the last decade

4.Javed Miandad - Pakistan's greatest test bat, and performed at a time where bowlers were wreaking havoc like sunny. Ranked lower because of biased home umpires

5.Rahul Dravid - great cricketer who exemplified test match batting
 
Same as OP for mine

1) Sachin
2) Gavaskar
3) Sanga
4) Dravid
5) Miandad
 
Sachin
Gavaskar
Sanga(considering he had to keep too)
Dravid
Miandad
Younis
Sehwag
Inzy
VVS
Yousuf


This should be the top ten IMO...
 
I will take Gavaskar over Sachin in tests. Averaging 50+ as an opener while facing some of the most devastating fast bowlers of all time is no small achievement.
 
1. Younis Khan
2. Muhammad Yusuf
3. Yousuf Youhana
4. Salman Butt
5. Inzaman ul Haq
 
The_Odd_One said:
Same Dravid who could not score in Australia and SA to save his life?
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Dravid played 16 matches in Australia and averaged 41 with 1 100.
Younis played 6 matches in Australia and averaged 50 with 1 100.

Dravid played 11 matches in South Africa and averaged 29.
Younis played 8 matches in South Africa and averaged 32.

Your argument doesn't hold much stead on either front if you are criticizing Dravid.

He averaged 41 in Australia which is not "could not bat to save his life".

If he "could not bat to save his life in South Africa, Mr Khan has not made much difference either".

So why criticize Dravid when his replacement is just as ordinary...
 
The_Odd_One said:
Against 3rd grade Australian attack
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You claimed that he couldn't score in Aus to save his life, I showed you his average there. Now suddenly a U-Turn? You should have mentioned it before if you wanted to make a point out of it, rather than use the point to save yourself from embarrassment after your initial point was proved to be false.
 
Sanga
Miandad
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendy

Sanga is close to the GOAT.
 
This is my opinion btw -
1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. Kumar Sangakara
4. Javed Miandad
5. Younis Khan
 
My Top 5 Asian test batsmen :-

1. Gavaskar 1. Tendulkar
3. Dravid
4. Sangakkara
5. Sehwag
 
I would put Sunny as number one and sachin as number 2. As much as i love sachin. I have to say sunny was much consistent and reliable in tests than any other batsmen from subcontinent
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Dravid played 16 matches in Australia and averaged 41 with 1 100.
Younis played 6 matches in Australia and averaged 50 with 1 100.

Dravid played 11 matches in South Africa and averaged 29.
Younis played 8 matches in South Africa and averaged 32.

Your argument doesn't hold much stead on either front if you are criticizing Dravid.

He averaged 41 in Australia which is not "could not bat to save his life".

If he "could not bat to save his life in South Africa, Mr Khan has not made much difference either".

So why criticize Dravid when his replacement is just as ordinary...
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Did I say that Younis was better than Dravid or did you just assume it and typed a useless post?

Your own statistics prove Younis better than Dravid. He averages better than Dravid in both places. Scored the same number of centuries in almost half the number of matches. All of this, despite touring Australia when he was 40+ years old.

Yes, Dravid could not bat to save his life in Australia and SA. He averages a mighty 29 against McGrath, Warne, Donald, and Pollock in 12 matches.
 
Hitman said:
You claimed that he couldn't score in Aus to save his life, I showed you his average there. Now suddenly a U-Turn? You should have mentioned it before if you wanted to make a point out of it, rather than use the point to save yourself from embarrassment after your initial point was proved to be false.
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What U-turn? You have problem with rating Miandad's performance in WI because it was a second grade WI bowling but you have no problem with Dravid averaging 29 in Australia and SA facing their ATG bowlers?

Double Standards?
 
Cuts_and_cuts_hard said:
Lol that attack still had Gillespie,Lee and Macgill. It may have been sub-par for Australia, but it was still one of the most powerful attacks in the world.
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He did not face all of them together in all of his good innings and none of them is an ATG bowler anyways.
 
I know ppl will try to eat me up for saying this but Younis matches up with Dravid in tests against tougher oppositions away from home. Their records are almost ditto to eachother. I can post the stat. Younis although never was reliable and technically correct like dravid who was an exceptional talent. Younis became monster when got set and in rhythm.

But if we put younis up there, lots of indians will start minding and even some pakistanis who watch too much star sports with reads sehwag's tweets (Sehwag was a semi-hack btw).
 
Rahul Dravid is overrated. The Indian hype-machine is the only reason he's talked about in the same breath as Kallis and Sangakkara. In reality, he was an inferior batsman.
 
Cuts_and_cuts_hard said:
Lol that attack still had Gillespie,Lee and Macgill. It may have been sub-par for Australia, but it was still one of the most powerful attacks in the world.
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It was a third grade attack. Only reason Dravid has a respectable average of 42 in Australia. If he hadn't filled his boots in that series, he would have a career average of below 35 in Australia.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Did I say that Younis was better than Dravid or did you just assume it and typed a useless post?

Your own statistics prove Younis better than Dravid. He averages better than Dravid in both places. Scored the same number of centuries in almost half the number of matches. All of this, despite touring Australia when he was 40+ years old.

Yes, Dravid could not bat to save his life in Australia and SA. He averages a mighty 29 against McGrath, Warne, Donald, and Pollock in 12 matches.
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Well what does Younis average against McGrath, Warne, Donald and Pollock?

Irrespective, your comment that he "could not bat to save his life in Australia" has conveniently changed to "he could not bat to save his life in Australia against a first grade Australian attack".

The law of averages says the more you play, the more your average goes down. Its common sense. If Younis had played more matches in Australia during the times of Warne and Mcgrath he would have also struggled to maintain that 50 average so your point is moot "in half the number of matches".

In my opinion Dravid and Younis could be interchanged by people of both countries but to say vastly inferior is injustice.
 
Sunil Gavaskar
Hanif Mohammed
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakkara

Picked based on skill level, tenacity and sheer determination to stay at wicket and score runs.
Expect a long day in the field with this top 5
 
Sachin Tendulkar

Rahul dravid

Sunil Gavaskar

Kamara sangakara

Saurav/younis/miandad
 
Bilal7 said:
Rahul Dravid is overrated. The Indian hype-machine is the only reason he's talked about in the same breath as Kallis and Sangakkara. In reality, he was an inferior batsman.
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Dravid was crucial in the famous kolkata test, not to forget played a vital role in India drawing series in Australia, England and more importantly winning in Pakistan when the series was 1-1,when whole Indian team combined couldn't muster 1 century he smashed 3 centuries in unplayable conditions in England, not to forget he was the first cricketer to score centuries against each test playing nation in their own backyard.
 
No he wasn't actually when you compare apples with apples. Statistically as a specialist bat Sanga is probably only second to Bradman.


Excluding minnows (9.3k Test runs @ 67 overall)

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Btw even in his early years he averaged close to 60 minus the gloves (gave up keeping around mid 2006)

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Dr_Bassim said:
Well what does Younis average against McGrath, Warne, Donald and Pollock?

Irrespective, your comment that he "could not bat to save his life in Australia" has conveniently changed to "he could not bat to save his life in Australia against a first grade Australian attack".

The law of averages says the more you play, the more your average goes down. Its common sense. If Younis had played more matches in Australia during the times of Warne and Mcgrath he would have also struggled to maintain that 50 average so your point is moot "in half the number of matches".

In my opinion Dravid and Younis could be interchanged by people of both countries but to say vastly inferior is injustice.
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Again, I am not sure why do you keep comparing Dravid with Younis who is no Tendulkar that you are using him as a benchmark.

The law of averages is irrelevant in this case as Dravid barring one series failed every time in Australia and SA.
 
SL_Fan said:
No he wasn't actually when you compare apples with apples. Statistically as a specialist bat Sanga is probably only second to Bradman.


Excluding minnows (9.3k Test runs @ 67 overall)

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Btw even in his early years he averaged close to 60 minus the gloves (gave up keeping around mid 2006)

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Sanga was one hell of a batsman, certainly superior to Dravid.
 
SL_Fan said:
No he wasn't actually when you compare apples with apples. Statistically as a specialist bat Sanga is probably only second to Bradman.


Excluding minnows (9.3k Test runs @ 67 overall)


Btw even in his early years he averaged close to 60 minus the gloves (gave up keeping around mid 2006)
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I mentioned outside Asia

Sanga scored 2764 runs in 34 matches at average of 44 in Aus/NZ/SA/Eng/WI with 7 100s.

Dravid scored 5443 runs in 64 matches at avg of 52 in those countries with 13 100s.

Dravid scored 3200+ runs in his first 34 matches in those countries at avg of 62 with 8 100s.

Even not as WK he averaged 56 in those countries.
 
Bilal7 said:
It was a third grade attack. Only reason Dravid has a respectable average of 42 in Australia. If he hadn't filled his boots in that series, he would have a career average of below 35 in Australia.
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This applies to many other batsmen. Check Gavaskar's record in Australia. He bashed some of the weakest Australian attacks ever... much weaker than the ones Dravid faced. He failed every time he came up against Lillee in Australia. Yet people never hold that against him. Classic case of people overglorifying 80s players.

Plus, atleast dravid performed in all the live matches in the series, and his performance at Adelaide was as clutch a match winning performance as you can get in an overseas test. Scored 233 to rescue India from 80-4 trailing by almost 500, and then scored 72* to finish the runchase. I value this more than Gavaskar's runs and Younis getting a meaningless 175* ( albeit high quality ton) in Sydney... it was a great innings against a very good attack, but dravid's performance was more clutch.
 
AlizeeFan said:
I mentioned outside Asia

Sanga scored 2764 runs in 34 matches at average of 44 in Aus/NZ/SA/Eng/WI with 7 100s.

Dravid scored 5443 runs in 64 matches at avg of 52 in those countries with 13 100s.

Dravid scored 3200+ runs in his first 34 matches in those countries at avg of 62 with 8 100s.

Even not as WK he averaged 56 in those countries.
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My bad then those are some great numbers from Dravid. Didn’t think his numbers would be that good I know he averaged under 30 in SA. Looks like he more than made up for it in Eng and WI. Full props to Dravid!
 
SL_Fan said:
My bad then those are some great numbers from Dravid. Didn’t think his numbers would be that good I know he averaged under 30 in SA. Looks like he more than made up for it in Eng and WI. Full props to Dravid!
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Dravid was poor in SA (like all SC batsmen apart from Sachin), but he was incredible in England and NZ... some of his best innings have been against the high class Eng attack of 2011 and against Bond in 02 on greentops.
 
Dravid's record against Australia and SA might be poor but the quality of bowling attack he faced in comparison to others has to be considered.. I mean facing Mcgrath, Donald and Warne as frequently as he did, any batsman would be humbled by it.
 
Cuts_and_cuts_hard said:
This applies to many other batsmen. Check Gavaskar's record in Australia. He bashed some of the weakest Australian attacks ever... much weaker than the ones Dravid faced. He failed every time he came up against Lillee in Australia. Yet people never hold that against him. Classic case of people overglorifying 80s players.

Plus, atleast dravid performed in all the live matches in the series, and his performance at Adelaide was as clutch a match winning performance as you can get in an overseas test. Scored 233 to rescue India from 80-4 trailing by almost 500, and then scored 72* to finish the runchase. I value this more than Gavaskar's runs and Younis getting a meaningless 175* ( albeit high quality ton) in Sydney... it was a great innings against a very good attack, but dravid's performance was more clutch.
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No one is doubting Dravid's ability under pressure. However, a 'C' attack is a 'C' attack. Gavasker also did the same against West Indies, where he filled his boots when they used to play a spin attack but thereafter, couldn't do much against their four man pace attack.
 
Bilal7 said:
No one is doubting Dravid's ability under pressure. However, a 'C' attack is a 'C' attack. Gavasker also did the same against West Indies, where he filled his boots when they used to play a spin attack but thereafter, couldn't do much against their four man pace attack.
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Scored a 100 against 4 men attack. Btw, those 4 men played only 4 or 6 matches together in their entire career. So there aren't many relative performances to say that Gavaskar couldn't do much against them.

Gavaskar scored runs against what was most hyped bowling attack in 80s and which played most of the matches i.e. either combination of 2 or 3 pacers those 4.
 
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AlizeeFan said:
Scored a 100 against 4 men attack. Btw, those 4 men played only 4 or 6 matches together in their entire career. So there aren't many relative performances to say that Gavaskar couldn't do much against them.

Gavaskar scored runs against what was most hyped bowling attack in 80s and which played most of the matches i.e. either combination of 2 or 3 pacers those 4.
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He averaged 30-odd against the great West Indies fast bowlers. Not a knock on him though, Javed himself averaged just 29 against them. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
 
The_Odd_One said:
Yes, Dravid could not bat to save his life in Australia and SA. He averages a mighty 29 against McGrath, Warne, Donald, and Pollock in 12 matches.
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To be fair Dravid only got 1 crack at the atg aussie bowling in AUS only once. He may still have struggled had he got a second chance or he may have thrived we dont know, having said that we can forgive him for 1 series struggle. However I was really surprised how he struggled series after series in SA, a batsmen of his quality should not have done that poorly in SA
 
Romali_rotti said:
Same for me..


P.S. Where you been boy, long time no see ? putting on any muscles yet ;)....
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Lol just got busy with life brother; finished uni, started work etc. Muscles still coming but biryani is dragging me down haha (not the worst thing) :81:
 
Poison said:
Lol just got busy with life brother; finished uni, started work etc. Muscles still coming but biryani is dragging me down haha (not the worst thing) :81:
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Finished University huh, the years really do fly by, well done proud of you. Hope your career takes you far & YES Biriyani is a big no no for getting DEM GAINZZZZ Bruhhhh...
 
Romali_rotti said:
To be fair Dravid only got 1 crack at the atg aussie bowling in AUS only once. He may still have struggled had he got a second chance or he may have thrived we dont know, having said that we can forgive him for 1 series struggle. However I was really surprised how he struggled series after series in SA, a batsmen of his quality should not have done that poorly in SA
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Most Asian batsmen struggle in SA.

Sanga, dravid, Inzi, Younis, Yousuf all have poor records in SA. Among ATG Asian batsmen, only Sachin has done brilliantly there and deserves huge credit for that. Averaged 47 with 5 tons and every single one of those runs had one of Donald/Pollock/Steyn in the attack.
 
Cuts_and_cuts_hard said:
Dravid was poor in SA (like all SC batsmen apart from Sachin), but he was incredible in England and NZ... some of his best innings have been against the high class Eng attack of 2011 and against Bond in 02 on greentops.
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Yeah did very well in NZ as well.

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Bilal7 said:
He averaged 30-odd against the great West Indies fast bowlers. Not a knock on him though, Javed himself averaged just 29 against them. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
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Javed never played 4 pacers. Those 4 pacers played against India and England only.
 
Would be funny if after 30 pages, all the graphs and powerpoint presentations, most people would still take SRT over Kumar.
 
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