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Who are the top 5 fast bowlers to have debuted in this Millenium?

Discuss!
 
Steyn
Rabada
Vern
Asif
Anderson/Hazlewood
 
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Based on quality rather than quantity:

1) Steyn
2) Bond
3) Asif
4) Anderson
5) Johnson

With Philander and Broad not far behind.
 
Don't think Asif should be in the same page as these fellows, he has tainted his name,and no matter how skillful u are that in itself should throw him out,
My top 5 would be
Steyn
Anderson
Broad
Philander
Bond
 
List down your top 10 test bowlers based on performance from 2000 onwards, i.e. since the turn of millennium.

Some obvious contenders are McGrath, Steyn, Murali, Warne etc.
 
Ab Fan said:
List down your top 10 test bowlers based on performance from 2000 onwards, i.e. since the turn of millennium.

Some obvious contenders are McGrath, Steyn, Murali, Warne etc.
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Amongst fast Bowlers who debuted post 2000s:
1. Steyn
2. Anderson
3. Rabada
4.Cummins
5. Bumrah

Not in any particular order though
 
Anderson for sure
Steyn
Bumrah
Cummins
Rabada in making but he is brilliant.
 
Dale Steyn has to be number 1 due to his match winning performances in almost all the continents.

Anderson's longevity makes his very spacial fast bowler. Same with Stuart Broad. Their numbers aren't as great as Steyn, but playing 150+ matches as a pacer is no joke.

Pat Cummins is another pacer who has excelled in almost all the conditions.

Kagiso Rabada has highly impressive record. South Africa is Paradise for fast bowlers but he has impressive record in Australia too.

Jasprit Bumrah is undoubtedly the pacer right now. His match defining spells in wins in SEnA+ Windies makes him a champion bowler.

Trent Boult, Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Johnson, Tim Southee, Josh Hazelwood, Kemar Roach and Vernon Philander make claim for top 10 bowlers debuted after 2000.
 
Performance in Asia by SWENA pacers:

Anderson - 92 wkts, Avg 27
Steyn - 92 wkts, Avg 24
Southee - 58 wkts, Avg 26

Morkel - 48 wkts, Avg 30
Cummins - 31 wkts, Avg 30
Boult- 50 wkts, Avg 31
Rabada - 22 wkts, Avg 35


Broad - 44 wkts, Avg 38
Hazelwood - 16 wkts, Avg 39
Johnson- 33 wkts, Avg 40
Roach - 19 wkts, Avg 44
 
There’s only 2 great bowlers who made their debut after 2000:

Steyn
Anderson
 
Away stats:-

Steyn 164 wickets, Avg 24
Anderson 244 wickets, Avg 30

The two great bowlers to debut after 2000?
 
Ab Fan said:
Away stats:-

Steyn 164 wickets, Avg 24
Anderson 244 wickets, Avg 30

The two great bowlers to debut after 2000?
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Bumrah Cummins rabada now.

Before this era
Steyn. Not Anderson sorry.
Ryan Harris maybe but dint play enough.
 
Ab Fan said:
Who are the top 5 fast bowlers to have debuted in this Millenium?

Discuss!
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To put some objective stats for all pacers,


150+ wickets: Avg

Bumrah - 20
Rabada - 22
Vern - 22
Cummins - 22
Steyn - 22
Hazlewood - 24
Anderson - 26
Boult/wagner/shami/starc/broad - 27
Mental gymnastic is needed to include anyone averaging 28 plus over all among the top 5.



Now to separate really top class from good,

100+ away wickets: Avg

Bumrah - 21
Steyn - 24
Cummins - 26
Rabada - 27
Hazlewood/Morkel/Starc - 28
Again mental gymnastic is needed to ionclude anyone avearging 29 plus while playing away among the top 5.


As I have always said, top class bowlers do well in oppositions den. We can simply pick Bumrah, Steyn, Cummins and Rabada as the top 4. Not surprisingly, most posters are putting these 4 names as the top 4 as well. 5th spot is up for grab.

Even though Anderson is averaging 30 plus away, but case can be made for him as well for 5th spot. A bit of mental gymnastic here but he is the closest which can make the cut despite having higher average becasue he was fantastic for very long period in his second half of career and that period is longer than most pacer's entire career. If not anderson then Starc or Hazlewood are good candidates.

I will personally pick,

Bumrah
Steyn
Cummins
Rabada
Anderson
 
Ab Fan said:
Performance in Asia by SWENA pacers:

Anderson - 92 wkts, Avg 27
Steyn - 92 wkts, Avg 24
Southee - 58 wkts, Avg 26

Morkel - 48 wkts, Avg 30
Cummins - 31 wkts, Avg 30
Boult- 50 wkts, Avg 31
Rabada - 22 wkts, Avg 35


Broad - 44 wkts, Avg 38
Hazelwood - 16 wkts, Avg 39
Johnson- 33 wkts, Avg 40
Roach - 19 wkts, Avg 44
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Also, I feel names like Hazelwood and Philander have managed to end up with good stats because they weren't picked in alien conditions like in Asia while the likes of Starc was picked and he got smashed in those conditions, which resulted in worsening his numbers. That's where Hazelwood or Philander may appear as ones with better stats while Starc doesn't.
 
Ab Fan said:
Away test wickets and averages :-

Bumrah 126 test wickets, Avg 21
Cummins 113 test wickets, Avg 26
Rabada 111 test wickets, Avg 27
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Cummins and Rabada’s away average is good enough.
Imran Khan has similar away average and he is considered as one of the greatest bowler.

The one blemish in both their record is performance in India.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Cummins and Rabada’s away average is good enough.
Imran Khan has similar away average and he is considered as one of the greatest bowler.

The one blemish in both their record is performance in India.
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Imran is slightly overrated as a bowler. He was not a top tier bowler in my opinion like Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath and was behind Ambrose, Wasim and Steyn also.

Wasim played more games, picked more wickets and performed better away from home than Imran did. He was comfortably the best new ball bowler to come from Pakistan and an absolute magician with the bowl. Imran was not always available for the team as he played only 88 tests in such a long career of 20+ years.
 
Ab Fan said:
Imran was not always available for the team as he played only 88 tests in such a long career of 20+ years.
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I think its more about him not being good enough for the team during his initial years.
I read somewhere that he was dropped for 3+ years after his debut, when he came back he was a changed bowler.

Also at the later stage he used to skip matches against weaker teams.
 
1. Bumrah
2. Steyn
3. Cummins
4. Rabada
5. Anderson

Honorary #6 : Stuart Broad
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Cummins and Rabada’s away average is good enough.
Imran Khan has similar away average and he is considered as one of the greatest bowler.

The one blemish in both their record is performance in India.
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That's a massive blemish. Can't have a bad record against the hardest opponents away from home. Very poor. But yes they are still top tier bowlers. Atgs for sure. All 3.
 
Ab Fan said:
Also, I feel names like Hazelwood and Philander have managed to end up with good stats because they weren't picked in alien conditions like in Asia while the likes of Starc was picked and he got smashed in those conditions, which resulted in worsening his numbers. That's where Hazelwood or Philander may appear as ones with better stats while Starc doesn't.
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Also Asian bowlers don't get to bowl in seam friendly conditions. Average of minus 4 needs to be deducted from theri averages.

Vice versa for batsmen too.

Asian batsmen take out 4 points from their average as batting in seam friendly conditions of England and nz are harder compared to Asia. Atleast opening is harder. Also SA. Batting is extremely tough. Plus 4 /5 to their batsmen in terms of average.

So imo Smith > shewag
Guys like de villiers> kohli etc
Also amla> pujara so on.

Bumrah etc don't get to stat pad in India like Cummins rabada get to so in their countries.
 
kron said:
Also Asian bowlers don't get to bowl in seam friendly conditions. Average of minus 4 needs to be deducted from theri averages.

Vice versa for batsmen too.

Asian batsmen take out 4 points from their average as batting in seam friendly conditions of England and nz are harder compared to Asia. Atleast opening is harder. Also SA. Batting is extremely tough. Plus 4 /5 to their batsmen in terms of average.

So imo Smith > shewag
Guys like de villiers> kohli etc
Also amla> pujara so on.

Bumrah etc don't get to stat pad in India like Cummins rabada get to so in their countries.
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In Asia, batting vs spin is harder.

We do balance averages when comparing Ashwin/Jadeja vs Lyon. So, challenges maybe different in different conditions while in some conditions like Pakistan, I feel it is relatively easier for batsman than bowlers( pacers, spinners both).
 
Ab Fan said:
In Asia, batting vs spin is harder.

We do balance averages when comparing Ashwin/Jadeja vs Lyon. So, challenges maybe different in different conditions while in some conditions like Pakistan, I feel it is relatively easier for batsman than bowlers( pacers, spinners both).
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True good point. Forgot about spinning turning pitches in India that get dished out at times.

Pakistan pitches are feather beds lmao

Yea much easier. Take out 5 6 points.

But bowling is much harder. So Pakistan bowlers have done very well in those dead pitches. Atleast vs average sides.
 
In terms of pure carnage, there’s nothing like a top quality spin bowling pair having its firm grip on the opposition batting line up in a test match in Bharat. I grew up watching Kumble-Harbhajan and later Ashwin-Jadeja obliterating the opposition batting in a matter of few overs. Not even a 30 ball century matches that in excitement.
 
1. Anderson
2. Steyn
3. Rabada
4. Cummins
5. Aamir

Honourable mention: Asif and Broad
 
shaz619 said:
1. Anderson
2. Steyn
3. Rabada
4. Cummins
5. Aamir

Honourable mention: Asif and Broad
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tbh u can better add broad in top 5 and send amir in ur honourable list

broad has masive achievements in red ball cricket compared to Amir
 
Devadwal said:
1. Bumrah
2. Styen
3. Cummins
4. Andersson
5. Rabada

Top 5 bowlers of this century
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Broad
Johnson
Starc
Boult
Shami

That would be my top 10 in no specific order. Hazelwood, Philander, Morkel misses out.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
tbh u can better add broad in top 5 and send amir in ur honourable list

broad has masive achievements in red ball cricket compared to Amir
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It’s a personal list, I mean I’d be happy with that to. Although I have given Aamir the nod because at his best he is thrilling to watch and while he should have achieved more, he still has two ICC medals. Similarly, Broad has been a joy to watch to especially in Tests. I mean now that you bring Broady up, I am happy to take Cummins out and upgrade Broad in the top 5 for the shear entertainment he bought to the grounds, gives me goosebumps.
 
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