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Trumpcare to cause 22m to lose health insurance and cuts $772bn from Medicaid

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The Robin Hood in reverse Presidency. Working class and older Trump voters - you voted for this charlatan and now you're gonna get clobbered.

Twenty two million Americans will lose insurance if the Senate's draconian Trumpcare bill becomes law, according to an estimate released Monday by the Congressional Budget Office. Fifteen million Americans would lose coverage in the first year alone – including four million Americans who would lose the coverage they currently get through work.

The cuts under the Senate bill are bone-deep: Trumpcare axes $772 billion from Medicaid in the first decade. (The CBO projects more severe reductions in subsequent years, as the phased-in Senate cuts take full effect.) Subsidies for Americans buying individual policies are also slashed, by more than $400 million. "The average subsidy" for insurance buyers "under this legislation would be significantly lower than the average subsidy under current law," the CBO writes.

In short, the Better Care Reconciliation Act is a formula for worse health care in America. "For all the talk of the Senate dramatically changing the House bill, it's not much different," tweeted Andy Slavitt, who ran Medicaid and Medicare under president Obama. "Except meaner."

Senate Republicans use the savings won by cutting the health care of the poor, disabled, elderly and middle-class to pay for $541 million in tax cuts favoring the wealthiest Americans. The Senate bill could also create $321 billion in deficit reduction, according to the CBO, roughly $200 billion more than the House bill.

The Senate Trumpcare bill is particularly cruel to women. By cutting federal support for Planned Parenthood, the CBO estimates, Trumpcare would leave many women without a health care provider – and increase unwanted pregnancies. The report estimates that "about 15 percent" of women who "reside in areas without other health care clinics or medical practitioners who serve low-income populations" would "lose access to care" under the Senate bill. Ironically, this cut to Planned Parenthood would increase dependency on government. Because Medicaid pays for about 45 percent of all births in this country, "the additional births stemming from the reduced access under this legislation would add to federal spending for the program," the CBO writes.

In the individual marketplace, Trumpcare would cause premiums to spike by 20 percent in the first year alone. In later years, premiums would shrink in comparison to Obamacare – largely because Trumpcare would steer Americans into lower-quality plans with higher costs at the doctor, hospital and pharmacy. "Most people" buying coverage under Trumpcare would face "higher out-of-pocket spending on health care than under current law," according to the report. Others would face financial ruin because Trumpcare again permits the sale of policies with annual and lifetime caps on benefits.

Unlike the House-passed version – which has age-based subsidies – Senate Trumpcare preserves the income-based structure of Obamacare. But the Senate bill dramatically shrinks the benefits. The bill hits older, middle-class Americans hardest. First, the legislation allows insurers to charge older customers higher premiums based on age. Second, it eliminates subsidies for Americans of modest means altogether.

Under Obamacare, a 64-year-old making $56,000 a year would pay about $6,800 for a "silver" (i.e., decent) health care plan in 2026. Under the Senate Trumpcare bill, the same 64-year-old would be forced to pay $20,500 in premiums, according to the CBO – shelling out more than a third of annual income for health insurance, before accounting for any costs of care or drugs.

Make America Sick Again.
 
Completely inhuman bill that will condemn many people to death. Hopefully it does not get through.
 
And here's the promises Liar-In-Chief made NOT to cut Medicaid and to ensure nobody would lose their insurance:

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody … There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

—Trump to the Washington Post in January 2017

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Huckabee is a nice guy but will never be able to bring in the funds so as not to cut Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. I will.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/596338822373343233">May 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. Huckabee copied me.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/596338364187602944">May 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

—Trump to the Daily Signal in May 2015

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Congressional Budget Office estimates.
 
Why is the world so concerned what kind of Health Care System the Americans have;I find it bizzare that so many pages are given to the American health care system. If these 22mn cared enough they will use their vote to get what they want.
 
Why is the world so concerned what kind of Health Care System the Americans have;I find it bizzare that so many pages are given to the American health care system. If these 22mn cared enough they will use their vote to get what they want.
Firstly, nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to comment on the issue.

Secondly to address the bolded - some of those 22mn with chronic or severe illnesses won't be around for future elections if they cannot afford insurance coverage. Healthcare is a life and death issue and millions of US voters last November were deceived by Trump's promise NOT to cut Medicaid and throw anyone off insurance.

Now Trump, the so-called anti-establishment crusader, is brazenly stabbing his voters in the back.

We both are long enough in the tooth to know that US democracy is run by wealthy financial donors and industry lobbyists, and they stand to make a killing from this Bill as Trump will remove all of the taxes on the rich that helped subsidise the expansion of healthcare coverage in the first place.
 
Firstly, nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to comment on the issue.

Secondly to address the bolded - some of those 22mn with chronic or severe illnesses won't be around for future elections if they cannot afford insurance coverage. Healthcare is a life and death issue and millions of US voters last November were deceived by Trump's promise NOT to cut Medicaid and throw anyone off insurance.

Now Trump, the so-called anti-establishment crusader, is brazenly stabbing his voters in the back.

We both are long enough in the tooth to know that US democracy is run by wealthy financial donors and industry lobbyists, and they stand to make a killing from this Bill as Trump will remove all of the taxes on the rich that helped subsidise the expansion of healthcare coverage in the first place.

My point is a general one about the news being American Centric. Its your inferiority complex that forces to talk about issues that are quite frankly none of the business of people outside the America.Do American newspapers talk about the lack of care for people in PK or anywhere else in the world, i think not. If the Americans want health services, they will vote for those people that offer them.
 
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Just like you have a right to comment, i have a right to comment on your comments and point out the inferiority complex of some people on here and elsewhere. Nobody has challenged my central point as to why American news becomes our news when it doesnt effect us?

Given the US are the most powerful Western country economically, politically and militarily its inevitable US current affairs, especially President Trump given his shock win and controversial campaign, will be covered by non-US media.

Neither is there an inferiority complex - as someone who works in the NHS I'm delighted we don't have the appalling American healthcare system run by private insurance barons on this side of the Pond.

Not sure what's so difficult to grasp.
 
My point is a general one about the news being American Centric. Its your inferiority complex that forces to talk about issues that are quite frankly none of the business of people outside the America.Do American newspapers talk about the lack of care for people in PK or anywhere else in the world, i think not. If the Americans want health services, they will vote for those people that offer them.

Markhor is British anyway and I guess even British papers give US alot of coverage (atleast news websites do)
 
Just like you have a right to comment, i have a right to comment on your comments and point out the inferiority complex of some people on here and elsewhere. Nobody has challenged my central point as to why American news becomes our news when it doesnt effect us?

Because US is leader of free world and Britian is a relic of the past with its best times behind it ;-)
 
Given the US are the most powerful Western country economically, politically and militarily its inevitable US current affairs, especially President Trump given his shock win and controversial campaign, will be covered by non-US media.

Neither is there an inferiority complex - as someone who works in the NHS I'm delighted we don't have the appalling American healthcare system run by private insurance barons on this side of the Pond.

Not sure what's so difficult to grasp.

To say that Trump is a complete cretin
goes without saying and if you or any else started a thread on his Foreign Policy than i can understand but this obsession of American domestic problems being everyones problems is absolute nonsense. Most Americans couldnt point to the UK on a map never mind evaluate our Health Service but many peoples inferiority complex means endless obsession about their domestic policy. The people that are talking about these things always are also the ones that always talk about all lives having equal value but i dont see any threads on the Bolivian health service or the one in Burundi.
 
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Just like you have a right to comment, i have a right to comment on your comments and point out the inferiority complex of some people on here and elsewhere. Nobody has challenged my central point as to why American news becomes our news when it doesnt effect us?

Simple. There are posters from US.
 
Just like you have a right to comment, i have a right to comment on your comments and point out the inferiority complex of some people on here and elsewhere. Nobody has challenged my central point as to why American news becomes our news when it doesnt effect us?

I never claimed you don't have a "right" to comment. Everyone does but you also have a right to ignore the news that doesn't concern you.
 
To say that Trump is a complete cretin
goes without saying and if you or any else started a thread on his Foreign Policy than i can understand but this obsession of American domestic problems being everyones problems is absolute nonsense. Most Americans couldnt point to the UK on a map never mind evaluate our Health Service but many peoples inferiority complex means endless obsession about their domestic policy. The people that are talking about these things always are also the ones that always talk about all lives having equal value but i dont see any threads on the Bolivian health service or the one in Burundi.


U.S. domestic news is very relevant for rest of world because it is by far the most powerful and influential country on the planet, it is looked to as the example-setter and is firmly at the forefront of pretty much every field. What America has done or not done has often defined the global landscape over the last 250 years. Is entirely legit to be interested in U.S. domestic policy as a non-citizen.
 
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What da heck dude. I am an avid reader of your posts but you have lost the plot in this thread.

U.S. domestic news is very relevant for rest of world because it is by far the most powerful and influential country on the planet, it is looked to as the example-setter and is firmly at the forefront of pretty much every field. What America has done or not done has often defined the global landscape over the last 250 years. Is entirely legit to be interested in U.S. domestic policy as a non-citizen.

Foreign Policy yes, but dont see the reason for the obsession with their domestic policy in our papers and discussion forums.
 
This healthcare stuff is so confusing, it varies state by state. If you live in a liberal state (ny, cali) you don't really have much to worry about, if you live in a red state...you are screwed.

I get my health insurance from my employer, however I don't know how this may affect my mother and others her age who rely on medicaid.
 
Why is the world so concerned what kind of Health Care System the Americans have;I find it bizzare that so many pages are given to the American health care system. If these 22mn cared enough they will use their vote to get what they want.

You might want to pay more attention to it.... we are headed that way in U.K.
 
Foreign Policy yes, but dont see the reason for the obsession with their domestic policy in our papers and discussion forums.

I find it a fascinating subject - one of the richest countries in the planet and there is no universal healthcare system in place.

And now the republican congress and senate want to take away 20 million more off the list.

But the real point is the republicans want to repel Obamacare because they simply don't want to fund the poor and especially poor blacks. Racism is still endemic.

It's a certainly a debate I like hearing and reading.
 
What they voted for.

Another reason the US is a joke of a country

No need for such generalizing statements. Whole Trump thing is ridiculous but the U.S is still number one in the world when it comes to many things.
 
President Trump told Republican senators at a dinner Monday night that the lawmakers would look like "dopes" if they didn't pass an ObamaCare repeal bill, Politico reported.

"If the Republicans have the House, Senate and the presidency and they can't pass this health care bill they are going to look weak," Trump reportedly said. "How can we not do this after promising it for years?"
You said it Donald.

Trumpcare crashes and burns as it turns out - votes matter more to some Republican Senators than ideology. You can't simply throw people off healthcare and not expect any electoral consequences.

Not a good look for someone who brags out bringing "business-like efficiency" to government and being a master in dealmaking when he can't even pass a healthcare bill.
 
You said it Donald.

Trumpcare crashes and burns as it turns out - votes matter more to some Republican Senators than ideology. You can't simply throw people off healthcare and not expect any electoral consequences.

Not a good look for someone who brags out bringing "business-like efficiency" to government and being a master in dealmaking when he can't even pass a healthcare bill.

Looks like Trump is finding out the hardway why the "business like" approach can't work in government.

There needs to be a healthcare policy change, hoping we go towards a universal healthcare system and the republicans cut the crap about stating "oh there will be long lines, longer wait times...." People don't go to the doctors office now because of costs, and that is ridicolous. Hopefully they can get there act together and pursue this option which is better for everyone across the board (except insurance compaines, aamc, etc.)
 
Looks like Trump is finding out the hardway why the "business like" approach can't work in government.

There needs to be a healthcare policy change, hoping we go towards a universal healthcare system and the republicans cut the crap about stating "oh there will be long lines, longer wait times...." People don't go to the doctors office now because of costs, and that is ridicolous. Hopefully they can get there act together and pursue this option which is better for everyone across the board (except insurance compaines, aamc, etc.)

Problem with his "business like" approach is that even his business dealings were tainted with many failures and plenty of hypocracy.
 
Problem with his "business like" approach is that even his business dealings were tainted with many failures and plenty of hypocracy.

Yes, too bad he can't just file bankruptcy here and close down shop and move on. In all honesty, sometimes even he probably thinks that he is over his head (when this happens, videos such as the him vs CNN appear on twitter lol).
 
And now "skinny repeal" has been rejected by the Senate.

51-49 against - McCain, Murkowski and Collins voted against.
 
Now that the repeal vote has been lost Trump will find it difficult to implement his "promised" tax cuts.
The whole ideas was to take from the poor and give to the rich...

I still don't get it though. Why is it that something so obvious is overlooked by the masses??
Trump's agenda and ineptitude, not to mention his personal character flaws, were so transparent yet so many choice to ignore it.

Anyway, the show must go on and so let's sit back and enjoy it while it lasts.
 
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