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Turkey referendum: Erdogan camp set to win after most votes counted

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Turks have voted to grant President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sweeping new powers in a referendum, partial official results indicate.

With about 96% of ballots counted, "Yes" was on 51.5% and "No" on about 48.5%.

Erdogan supporters say replacing the parliamentary system with an executive presidency would modernise the country.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39612562
 
Erdogan is coming to India in few weeks about time BJP discuss with him regarding this idea about converting country from Parliament to Presidential system :)
 
Turkeys voting for Xmas. Why on earth would you want to give one man such an amount of power with very little checks and balances?
 
If people are on fb checkout if any Indian page criticizes this system and how some of the Indians are defending it.
 
And here it begins.Expect more clampdown on dissenters and liberals.Ataturk must be rolling in his grave.
 
Turkey was one of the few bastions for successful secularization in a Muslim country. Seems to have turned into a run-of-the-mill Middle East dictatorship.
Why Erdogan why. This is everything Ataturk did NOT want Turkey to be.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Turkeys voting for Xmas. Why on earth would you want to give one man such an amount of power with very little checks and balances?
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Because he has transformed the economy and enlarged the middle class.

However he is also turning Tukey into an autocracy with no free press.
 
Robert said:
Because he has transformed the economy and enlarged the middle class.

However he is also turning Tukey into an autocracy with no free press.
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that is the problem

erdogan must realize that he wont live forever so once he is gone this is giving way too many powers without any checks and balances to whoever assumes this role in the future.

Erdogan has this popularity so he is cashing it but the successors indirectly benefit as a result
 
Slog said:
that is the problem

erdogan must realize that he wont live forever so once he is gone this is giving way too many powers without any checks and balances to whoever assumes this role in the future.

Erdogan has this popularity so he is cashing it but the successors indirectly benefit as a result
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Maybe he is thinking the power will stay with his family for ever? That is also stupidity because that wont work either.
 
After a weekend of sabre rattling, the AK party took the referendum by the tightest of margins.

Whoever wins the 2019 election in Turkey really has a chance to relive past glories.
 
It seems so unusual to me that the Turks have voted away their own right to elect. I read somewhere that this referendum grants Erdogan almost unlimited powers till atleast 2029. Now that is a long time and a lot can happen from now and then. What if Erdogan falls from favour of the Turkish people, they would have no way of removing him.

As has been said "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely"
 
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] His supporters love his chest thumping nationalist rhetoric and his supporters from the new middle class and rural anatolia like him because he represents their values and he is seen as a man of the people against the Old Kemalist elite . Erdogan is just power hungry at this point and he wont stop until he has full power in Turkey. Already controls 80% of the media. Shuts down opposition over whimsical charges. Its no surprise he is cosying up to Putin. He is becoming more like him.
 
Hes smart ...he's riding the wave of populism and is ironically using democracy to make Turkey more of a dictatorship ...

A new Putin ...a popular autocrat ...
 
Called it two years ago:

DW44 said:
Turkey hasn't become intolerant per se but I don't like the direction Erdogan is going in.He's turning into Turkey's Putin with the clampdown on press freedom, protestors, the patronage of IS and the like. It's still vastly superior to Pakistan etc. but was a better place 10 years ago.
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Where's that predictions thread when you need it.
 
Syed1 said:
It seems so unusual to me that the Turks have voted away their own right to elect. I read somewhere that this referendum grants Erdogan almost unlimited powers till atleast 2029. Now that is a long time and a lot can happen from now and then. What if Erdogan falls from favour of the Turkish people, they would have no way of removing him.

As has been said "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely"
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Lol the funny thing is that he can dissolve parliament with one executive order and the parliament cannot scrutinise any cabinet picks or ministers

This is Musharraf era democracy
 
Unless there is proof he has rigged the vote, it's emotional rhetoric to label him a dictator. This is democracy, the Turkish people have decided on their own future. Good luck to them.
 
Slog said:
Lol the funny thing is that he can dissolve parliament with one executive order and the parliament cannot scrutinise any cabinet picks or ministers

This is Musharraf era democracy
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I for one have fond memories of Musharraf era democracy. I wonder what kind of shape we would be in if the nation didn't have such an extremist reaction to the siege of lal masjid and Benazir and Sharif were delt with in a suitable manner.
 
Slog said:
Lol the funny thing is that he can dissolve parliament with one executive order and the parliament cannot scrutinise any cabinet picks or ministers

This is Musharraf era democracy
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That's assuming he wins in '19

But yep, Erdogan will become no different to the likes of Saddam and Gaddafi and Assad etc
 
Why are so many poeple anti Erdogan and label him anti-democracy? He is using the will of the people, heck it was the will of the people that saved him. Its clear he has support in his country. So how about most of you start thinking for yourself.
 
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Slog said:
Lol the funny thing is that he can dissolve parliament with one executive order and the parliament cannot scrutinise any cabinet picks or ministers

This is Musharraf era democracy
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Then his daughter will also come on talk show and say "Meri London mein kya Turkey mein bhi koi property nahi hai" :))
 
Artless Dodges said:
I for one have fond memories of Musharraf era democracy. I wonder what kind of shape we would be in if the nation didn't have such an extremist reaction to the siege of lal masjid and Benazir and Sharif were delt with in a suitable manner.
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Mush started off well but lost his way when he realized he had absolute command and people were behind him.

He had the perfect opportunity to build all contentious dams, but didn't do it. He had an opportunity to fix the education system of the country but didn't do it. His era saw the highest ever level of loadshedding in the country.

The people would have gotten over the Lal Masjid debacle, but he fired the Chief Justice which was the last nail in the coffin. In hindsight the firing of the CJ was a correct decision, since it turned out that he was a very corrupt man completely in the Sharif's pocket. The CJ was also fired because he put down the privatization of the Steel Mills, a decision we are still suffering from to this day. At last count, the Steel Mills loses close 50 billion ruppees of tax payers money every year, and this amount is rising.


The absolute WORST thing that Mush did was to let Benazir and Nawaz return to Pakistan, but he had become weak and was fast losing grip of power.
 
The will of the Turkish people has been made clear. Erdogan now has a mandate to rule long-term. This is all legitimate enough.

However as they say... power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Will be fascinating to see how this new situation influences Erdogan as a statesman and decision maker.
 
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