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The British government has announced a cabin baggage ban on laptops on direct passenger flights to the UK from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia.

The ban, which also applies to tablets and DVD players, follows a similar US move affecting eight countries.

Downing Street said it followed talks on air security and was "necessary, effective and proportionate".

US officials said bombs could be hidden in a series of devices.

The ban applies to any device larger than 16cm long, 9.3cm wide or 1.5cm deep. It includes smart phones, but most fall inside these limits.

Any affected device will need to be placed into hold luggage and checked in before passengers go through airport security.

Number 10 said it was up to individual airlines to decide when to begin enforcing the ban and passengers should contact their airline for more information.

Which airlines are affected?

Six UK carriers:
British Airways
EasyJet
Jet2.com
Monarch
Thomas Cook
Thomson
And eight overseas airlines:
Turkish Airlines
Pegasus Airways
Atlas-Global Airlines
Middle East Airlines
Egyptair
Royal Jordanian
Tunis Air
Saudia

Transport Secretary Chris Grayling said: "We understand the frustration that these measures may cause and we are working with the aviation industry to minimise any impact."

Air industry consultant John Strickland said the ban would cause "headaches for airlines and customers", but carriers had "no choice but to put security first".

While the US government cited unspecified "threats" in its announcement, the prime minister's official spokesman declined to discuss whether the new rules were prompted by specific intelligence.
The US ban applies to flights from 10 airports in eight countries. Nine airlines are affected - Royal Jordanian, EgyptAir, Turkish Airlines, Saudi Arabian Airlines, Kuwait Airways, Royal Air Maroc, Qatar Airways, Emirates and Etihad Airways.

What are the new US rules?

Asked why the US ban differed from the UK, Theresa May's spokesman said: "We have each taken our own decisions."

This is a controversial decision, and, I'm told, not an easy one for the government.

The UK ban goes even further than the US move which does not affect national carriers.

It is not the result of a specific, identified terrorist plot, but of mounting concern in US and British intelligence circles at the ongoing interest amongst jihadist groups in the Middle East in blowing up a passenger plane in mid-air.

There are some in Whitehall who fear this may be an over-reaction, with damaging commercial and diplomatic consequences. But others have pointed to last year's laptop bomb smuggled onto a flight from Somalia by insurgents from Al-Shabaab.

The year before, so-called Islamic State blew up a Russian passenger plane over the Sinai Peninsula. But that bomb was hidden in the hold, where laptops and other devices will still be allowed.

The editor of Aviation Security International, Philip Baum, told the BBC that "encouraging people to check laptops, and other such items, into the luggage hold simply makes the challenge of screening even harder".

For more than two years, the official UK threat level for international terrorism has stood at severe, meaning an attack is "highly likely".

In July 2014, passengers at UK airports were advised to ensure electronic devices were charged so they could be switched on for security checks.

The ban on liquids over 100ml in hand luggage - introduced after a foiled 2006 plot to blow up planes using explosives hidden in drink bottles - also remains in place.

'Evaluated intelligence'

The US has given airlines 96 hours, beginning at 07:00 GMT on Tuesday, to implement its ban, which officials said had no end date.

Passengers on some 50 flights a day from some of the busiest hubs in the Middle East, Turkey and North Africa will be affected.

The Turkish government has said the US ban is wrong and should be reversed.

But the Department of Homeland Security said extremists were seeking "innovative methods" to bring down jets.

In a statement, it said the US government was "concerned about terrorists' ongoing interest in targeting commercial aviation, including transportation hubs over the past two years".

Citing the Somalia incident in February 2016, as well as the 2015 downing of a Russian airline in Egypt and attacks at airports in Brussels and Istanbul, it added: "Evaluated intelligence indicates that terrorist groups continue to target commercial aviation, to include smuggling explosive devices in various consumer items."

Which airports are affected by the US ban?

Airports affected by electronics ban
Mohammed V International, Casablanca, Morocco
Ataturk Airport, Istanbul, Turkey
Cairo International Airport, Egypt
Queen Alia International, Amman, Jordan
King Abdulaziz International, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
King Khalid International, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Kuwait International Airport
Hamad International, Doha, Qatar
Abu Dhabi International, United Arab Emirates
Dubai International, United Arab Emirates

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39343971
 
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Now watch the US and UK airlines raise fares as business class people will not want to travel without working.

This is just a way to hit the middle east airlines
 
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I'd never leave expensive or fragile items in the hold. There is a significant chance your item will be stolen or damaged by airport staff. This will be tough on the airlines concerned, their business custom will go through the floor.
 
Now watch the US and UK airlines raise fares as business class people will not want to travel without working.

This is just a way to hit the middle east airlines

Yup, it's just a protectionist racket.
 
So if you fly from Dubai but use Emirates instead of those on the list, you will be fine?

Another nonsensical move by the worlds biggest terrorist state and it's lapdog.
 
So if you fly from Dubai but use Emirates instead of those on the list, you will be fine?

Another nonsensical move by the worlds biggest terrorist state and it's lapdog.

Emirates is on the list for US travel. UK has not included Dubai airport in their list.
 
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Nice way to damage the gulf airlines economically, which is exactly what the American carriers wanted.
 
Nice way to damage the gulf airlines economically, which is exactly what the American carriers wanted.

I believe Emirates have already threatened to stop their purchase of Boeing aircrafts which will be a massive blow to the US aviation industry and will threaten many jobs. A pretty dumb move the US.
 
This is beyond pathetic and it should be challenged in courts. Why are the middle east airlines only prohibited from allowing passengers with carry on electronics? same rules don't apply to american based airlines like delta and united. What's more funny is PIA is not even on the list which is hilarious considering their track record.
 
So if you fly from Dubai but use Emirates instead of those on the list, you will be fine?

Another nonsensical move by the worlds biggest terrorist state and it's lapdog.

Emirates is on the list for US travel. UK has not included Dubai airport in their list.
It's not airlines, and not even airports, but countries where the flight originates (in the case of direct flights).

It will also affect passengers from other destinations where the passengers changes flights in these countries and where the luggage has already been checked in all the way from the original check-in

eg If a passenger is flying from Karachi to Dubai via Emirates or PIA, and then tranfers to a London or New York flight on Emirates or BA / American Airlines, where the luggage was checked-in at Karachi all the way to London or New York, then they will have to check-in their Laptop at Karachi (where it will get stolen).
 
This is beyond pathetic and it should be challenged in courts. Why are the middle east airlines only prohibited from allowing passengers with carry on electronics? same rules don't apply to american based airlines like delta and united. What's more funny is PIA is not even on the list which is hilarious considering their track record.
It will be applicable to all airlines flying from the named countries, including the likes of delta and united.
 
It will be applicable to all airlines flying from the named countries, including the likes of delta and united.

The impact would be much greater for Middle Eastern Airlines as alot of people who fly through the like of Qatar, Emirates, turkish etc are coming from different countries like Pakistan, India,many places in Europe etc. These people may now prefer an alternate route.
 
Delta and United no longer fly to DXB, even when they did , the majority of passengers seemed to be American subcontractors working in Afghanistan/Iraq .

OTOH I have been on Emirates flights to JFK where 80% of the passengers were Desi
 
The Middle East airlines are free to 'retaliate' by disallowing American and British carriers from allowing laptops in cabin luggage.

Except that only a select few operate to the sandpits and it will anyway be to their detriment - which proves that they don't have a leg to stand on. A favourable geographical position and cheap fuel will only get them so far, and it won't result in any boardroom clout.
 
The Middle East airlines are free to 'retaliate' by disallowing American and British carriers from allowing laptops in cabin luggage.

Except that only a select few operate to the sandpits and it will anyway be to their detriment - which proves that they don't have a leg to stand on. A favourable geographical position and cheap fuel will only get them so far, and it won't result in any boardroom clout.

There'll be other ways to retaliate. Turkey's leader is threatening to renege on the deal to stop the flood of refugees inside it's own borders and could unleash them on Europe in time for a busy summer. But of course that's assuming retaliating is even going to be considered the right course of action. It might be that these moves to ban laptops will be accepted by middle eastern countries as totally justified considering the climate of fear and terrorism which has been created by the turmoil in their area.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did you know? You can carry your laptop/tablets onboard US bound <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PIA?src=hash">#PIA</a> flights. <a href="https://t.co/pc8g8Owo9G">pic.twitter.com/pc8g8Owo9G</a></p>— PIA (@Official_PIA) <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA/status/844526422567911424">March 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Wonder how many would be willing to risk their lives, i.e. fly with PIA, in order to take their laptop with them. :13:
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did you know? You can carry your laptop/tablets onboard US bound <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PIA?src=hash">#PIA</a> flights. <a href="https://t.co/pc8g8Owo9G">pic.twitter.com/pc8g8Owo9G</a></p>— PIA (@Official_PIA) <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA/status/844526422567911424">March 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Wonder how many would be willing to risk their lives, i.e. fly with PIA, in order to take their laptop with them. :13:

I always travel with PIA when Im going to Pakistan. Never had any issues with them and never felt unsafe. The staff is polite and courteous, despite the fact that they have to deal with uneducated, loud, obnoxious paindus with no manners (at least on the flights to Europe).
 
I always travel with PIA when Im going to Pakistan. Never had any issues with them and never felt unsafe. The staff is polite and courteous, despite the fact that they have to deal with uneducated, loud, obnoxious paindus with no manners (at least on the flights to Europe).

Surprising to hear given recent occurrences. Anyway, I don't think they will profit much from the ban on electronics.
 
Considering the debate on here...i may be wrong but to my understanding all flights leaving these countries will be subject to these rules...

Its an inconvenience and it will definitely affect business for all these airlines...but there is an argument that has been made for this...ie that there was a Somalian who took a laptop on the plane that was rigged with an explosive...and didnt Russia blame a laptop bomb for one of their downed airlines...

Counterterrorism sources if you choose to believe them have stated that IS have been developing bombs that can be hidden in laptop batters and obviously go through the normal scanner...

Not sure what the problem is with this rule really...it's an inconvenience but if you're kept safer then whats the big deal...buy a book for your journey...
 
Considering the debate on here...i may be wrong but to my understanding all flights leaving these countries will be subject to these rules...

Its an inconvenience and it will definitely affect business for all these airlines...but there is an argument that has been made for this...ie that there was a Somalian who took a laptop on the plane that was rigged with an explosive...and didnt Russia blame a laptop bomb for one of their downed airlines...

Counterterrorism sources if you choose to believe them have stated that IS have been developing bombs that can be hidden in laptop batters and obviously go through the normal scanner...

Not sure what the problem is with this rule really...it's an inconvenience but if you're kept safer then whats the big deal...buy a book for your journey...

Yea that would not work for a business or first class customer who need laptops on the trip to get work done. Also, business and first class is where these airlines make the real money. In theory, if there is such a threat, than the ban should be universal to create a level playing field. Picking 8 airports, including major ones like Dubai and Doha, and select airlines just on the surface looks a little fishy.
 
haha

But seriously

Checking in Laptops with luggage? will the laptop survive the luggage handling?

Why not allow passengers to check in laptops separately and put them in some special bomb-proof container etc

What about travel insurance costs? Will these not go high?

Business travelers and regular ones - all have proprietary info on laptops - very uncomfortable having this away from oneself!
 
haha

But seriously

Checking in Laptops with luggage? will the laptop survive the luggage handling?

Why not allow passengers to check in laptops separately and put them in some special bomb-proof container etc

What about travel insurance costs? Will these not go high?

Business travelers and regular ones - all have proprietary info on laptops - very uncomfortable having this away from oneself!

Bulk shipments of lithium ion batteries by air is considered extremely unsafe. With everyone checking in their laptops and tablets, there will be many lithium ion batteries stored within close proximity, potentially increasing the risk I would think? Maybe some with more experience in this field can shed a light.

Also, not sure how checking in a laptop or tablet is any better than carrying it on? Considering you are allowed to bring in smartphones, which nowadays have almost the same capabilities as a laptop or tablet.
 
Emirates, Etihad and Qatar are being hit hard on the bookings front looking ahead to the next 3-6 months here in India.

Air India and Jet are making hay while the sun shines.
 
Emirates reduces number of flights to US in wake of Trump bans

US airlines stand to benefit from flight cutbacks by Dubai-based Emirates, which blamed President Donald Trump's travel restrictions for hurting demand from Middle Eastern passengers.

Emirates will pare service to five US cities after the country banned on-board electronics on flights from some Middle Eastern airports and attempted to block travel from six predominantly Muslim nations. That trims competition from the biggest Persian Gulf carrier -- a persistent irritant to long-haul US operators that see it as an unfair rival.

With fewer flights, some Emirates passengers may switch to big European airlines and their US partners for travel from the Middle East and Asia. American Airlines, Delta. and United have prodded US officials for two years to act on their complaints that $US50 billion ($66.7 billion) in government support has enabled Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways to compete unfairly.

"Any reduction in capacity from them is only a good thing for US airlines," said Joe DeNardi, an analyst at Stifel Financial Corp.

Etihad said demand remained strong for flights to the US and pledged to upgrade New York service by using Airbus SE A380 super jumbo jets. Qatar Airways, which also serves airports affected by the laptop ban, didn't immediately comment on its own capacity in the US

Europe bookings

"I understand the problem and I agree as a business traveller, that's my most productive travel and now I'm looking to book through Europe," said Michael Weiss, an Atlanta businessman who frequently travels to the Middle East and has preferred the customer service on Qatar Airways. "Fellow peers are doing the same thing because we need to be able to work."

A Bloomberg index of US airlines advanced 1.4 percent at the close in New York, the biggest gain in three weeks.

American declined to comment. United and Delta referred questions to the Partnership for Open & Fair Skies, which represents the carriers and several airline unions. In a statement Wednesday, that group said the Persian Gulf carriers were "propped up by billions of dollars in government cash" and as a result have never considered market demand in deciding where to fly.

Emirates' service to Seattle, Boston and Los Angeles will drop to one a day from two, while Fort Lauderdale and Orlando will get five flights a week, compared with daily services now. The changes will be phased in starting on May 1, the airline said in a statement Wednesday.

'Significant deterioration'

"The recent actions taken by the US government relating to the issuance of entry visas, heightened security vetting and restrictions on electronic devices in aircraft cabins, have had a direct impact on consumer interest and demand for air travel into the US," Emirates said. "Over the past three months, we have seen a significant deterioration in the booking profiles on all our US routes, across all travel segments."

Emirates will redeploy some US capacity to serve routes across its global network. The carrier's Dubai hub was one of the 10 airports affected by a ban on electronics in carry-on luggage on US-bound flights. Trump's order restricting visitors from six countries -- Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen -- has been blocked in court.

Emirates, which serves 12 US cities as part of its network of more than 150 destinations worldwide, will "closely monitor" the situation with the "view to reinstate and grow" its US operations as soon as viable, it said.

Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways have grabbed a substantial portion of the lucrative market for travel from the Americas and Europe to the Middle East, Asia, Africa and Australia by developing their home bases into huge transfer hubs. If travelers look to European carriers to get to the Middle East or India, US carriers could benefit through revenue-sharing agreements with partner airlines.

Flight solutions

"If Emirates slashes their presence to Seattle in half, that's a few hundred seats a week," said Peter van der Lende, a former Delta executive who worked on global alliances. "That traffic would have gone to Dubai and beyond. Some of that traffic needs to find other solutions. The one that's on top of the list to receive that traffic is Delta," which has a Seattle hub.

Some of the flights Emirates is cutting may not have been very profitable, van der Lende said. Florida cities often attract more leisure travelers than lucrative business fliers. Boston doesn't work as well as other Emirates destinations such as Dallas for flight connections to other US cities.

"I think they were hurt by both bans, but most likely those routes were marginally profitable, if at all," said van der Lende, who's now a business development consultant in Atlanta with Expand360.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/avia...us-in-wake-of-trump-bans-20170420-gvob6u.html
 
Emirates, Etihad and Qatar are being hit hard on the bookings front looking ahead to the next 3-6 months here in India.

Air India and Jet are making hay while the sun shines.

Only Air India is benefiting from this as they have direct flights from Delhi and Mumbai to USA and UK. Jet Airways goes Via Gulf and hence they have informed all their customers to comply with new directives from USA and UK. This is the right time for Indigo to start direct USA, UK flights, till now they are focusing on Gulf destinations.

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...order-to-bring-windfall-for-air-india/600407/
 
Only Air India is benefiting from this as they have direct flights from Delhi and Mumbai to USA and UK. Jet Airways goes Via Gulf and hence they have informed all their customers to comply with new directives from USA and UK. This is the right time for Indigo to start direct USA, UK flights, till now they are focusing on Gulf destinations.

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...order-to-bring-windfall-for-air-india/600407/

Negative. Jet has healthy feed into AMS and a growing JV with DL, AF and KL. The Etihad partnership is on its last legs.

IndiGo launching long-haul won't happen in your or my lifetime.
 
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