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marlonbrowndo
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lol "good English". Sorry but no. Sharjeel must open if he is cleared otherwise shahibzada. We need 2 hitters up top
I speak perfect English I think I would make a even better captaincy candidate
He has experience of opening the inning, he is in great form and hit sixes frequently in his innings, will be a good candidate for opening if he cold not find a spot in middle order. Although, IMO, he should be in middle order ahead of Harris Sohail and Hafeez.
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Haris is much much better than Amin
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What is the PP obsession of players speaking 'good English'?
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Not international grade.
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I'm open to give him another chance at some point, but honestly if you want an 'anchor' opener what's the problem with Azhar ?
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. I know what u were actually trying to convey.
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stockholm sydnrone to a colonial past, and yes I know me now being in Australia is ironic
You should drop your colonialist attitude. Cricket has nothing to do with ones English capabilities.
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Do you get paid to peddle such views?
Umar Amin is what you call an archetypal hyped up white elephant but is nothing but a failure. Despite being on the scene for 10 years or so, he has consistently failed at even FC level.....
In light of the recent emergence of the strong characters, and similar waiting in the wings... umar amin should be consigned to history.
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If you want an anchor than Azhar is doing a perfectly good job. Plus he can speak 'good English' too 
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Because people here must have done a PHD in it themselves that's why.
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lol so how many batsmen can fakhar open with?
every other ppers coming up with their own jodi
some are pushing for haris over hyped in pp sohail .
some are waiting for sharjeel .
everyone is forgetting here that it was calm azhar ali batting that settle fakhar . fakhar success should be also credited to azhar ali calm presence in the middle. its a combination of both that opposition fail to break it down.
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Wow, our Messiah has come, we shall all bow down when he speaketh his amajing angreji
Is this the same guy who rarely ever crosses 50+ and as soon as he does so, throws his wicket away most of the time?
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Those saying PP has an obesession with speaking English, they need to understand it is usually one simpleton here and there suggesting silly ideas like that; usually they get slaughtered after that like the OP currently is!
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I really hope the fetish with such players like Umar Amin, Amir Yamin, Hammad Azam etc. does not catch up with the selectors or the team management. I haven't seen a more mediocre set of players than them. I have always seen them fail at the international level.
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I wish a lot of Pakistanis would stop having this ridiculous inferiority complex and not be embarrassed by the English our players speak. It is unrelated to their abilities.
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No offence OP bro but matches are won on-field not in press conferences and interviews.
On Amin the batsman, no we have better players.
On Amin the batsman, no we have better players.
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Amin is a good option but what is the obsession on PP these days to make everyone open?
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He has impressed many during the one day cup this year. He is the only middle order batsman to play fearlessly and at 100+SR right from the word go. He has hit most number of sixers in that tournament. He will get his chance soon anyway.
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He opened once in SA and looked miles better than shehzad but Misbah and team mgmt didn't give him a second chance. A team like pak who are still struggling to find openers didn't give a second chance to the one who looked promising was the point to note. Definitely an option that mickey should think about.
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Don't even bring Misbah in the discussion, he probably dropped Amin because he hit Philander for a six and under Misbah's philosophy hitting a six before the 40th over is haram. Worst captain ever in our history. Thank God his career is over.
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LOL, what??? It is better to check before making stuff up; he has been such an utter failure against SA that his career average (at a world beating 19.21 and SR of 69.32 wow) looks better and same with SR; I always wonder what you guys see in this complete non-player?
He opened in SA once for 25 in 35 balls and out of that scored 22 runs in 5 balls and scored 3 runs in 30 balls, way to go 'Mr. Miles Better' HaHaHa
Career averages:
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
unfiltered:
15 15 1 269 59 19.21 388 69.32 0 1 0 28 2
filtered:
6 6 0 93 25 15.50 167 55.68 0 0 0 12 1
Match by match list:
Bat1 Runs BF SR 4s 6s Opposition Ground Start DateAscending
16 16 29 55.17 1 0 v South Africa Birmingham 10 Jun 2013 ODI # 3367
20 20 38 52.63 3 0 v South Africa Sharjah 30 Oct 2013 ODI # 3425
14 14 25 56.00 1 0 v South Africa Dubai (DSC) 1 Nov 2013 ODI # 3427
13 13 27 48.14 2 0 v South Africa Abu Dhabi 6 Nov 2013 ODI # 3430
5 5 13 38.46 1 0 v South Africa Sharjah 11 Nov 2013 ODI # 3433
25 25 35 71.42 4 1 v South Africa Centurion 30 Nov 2013 ODI # 3441
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Nope. He deserves a go at Number 5.
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Think it's the lack of middle order options. The ones we have tried have largely failed. The successful ones of recent past, Fakhar, Sharjeel, Babar (Haris is quite frankly a middle order batsman who looks more like a top order bat, no surprise we was shifted up the order slowly slowly in domestic).
Umar Amin's actually one of the few I actually see who could fit into the team mid/lower order and is in form. Part of the reason Malik and Hafeez are still around in the middle order (and Sarfraz is playing middle order not up the order), is because our middle order talent has failed. Umar akmal and Maqsood have deteriorated hugely. Rizwan never looked that good, too bad against spin really to be a serious international prospect unless he fixes it, and isn't exactly great at finding the gap and hitting boundaries.
There's not even many with good records in the domestic scene for middle order batsmen. Hope that changes. Umar Amin's one of those guys I would have already been playing in T20s middle order. His record isn't earth shattering, but guy has talent and goes through periods of domestic where he excels. Feel maybe exposure to international cricket might help him reach his potential and work on his game. Hammad Azam is another guy I would have played in T20s, again domestic record is less than you would have expected after his U19 days, but looks a better lower order, no.7 talent than most.
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But you/your family moved for a better life, not because English is a better language.
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He is a mental midget.Is not fit for internationals.
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Sorry the opening slot is reserved for Sharjeel.
Ideally opening pair should be left-right combination. There are 2 very good lefti prospects in Fakhar & Sharjeel - if both are available, ideally Babar should open with SK & FZ bat at 3 & Sarfraz at 4. Apart from left-right-left-right combination, technical reason being that Fakhar is much better spin player than Babar, but Babar is much better player of pace, better timer, better placer & better back foot player. Sarfraz obviously is the best choice for 4/5 now for his spin play.
If SK isn't available, may be Fakhar should open with Babar & Amin bats at 3 (Sarf at 4 & Hairs at 5, leaving MoHa/Malik to fight for one spot). Farhan shouldn't be hipped so much after few innings on roads against substandard attack & fielding.
Either way, I think it's time for Babar to open in ODI & T20, untill he improves his spin play & lofting power. Still he is very good at playing on grass & lofting in gaps, which should best fit at opening with 9 men in.
If SK isn't available, may be Fakhar should open with Babar & Amin bats at 3 (Sarf at 4 & Hairs at 5, leaving MoHa/Malik to fight for one spot). Farhan shouldn't be hipped so much after few innings on roads against substandard attack & fielding.
Either way, I think it's time for Babar to open in ODI & T20, untill he improves his spin play & lofting power. Still he is very good at playing on grass & lofting in gaps, which should best fit at opening with 9 men in.
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Umar Amin should definitely get a chance sooner or later but not for the good English or captaincy.
He had a very good Pakistan cup and perhaps should have gotten selected over Haris Sohail for CT in my opinion. For now Azhar and Fakhar will be opening for at least the next 2 series.
He had a very good Pakistan cup and perhaps should have gotten selected over Haris Sohail for CT in my opinion. For now Azhar and Fakhar will be opening for at least the next 2 series.
Last 2 PAK ODI Captains are Azhar & Sarfraz - one speaks decent to good English, other one struggled even to basic communication level at start. Now, Amin's English skills doesn't give that much confidence there after...
English skill is good to have for any player, not only captain - after he has the cricket skills, enough to make it among top 15-16 players of a country.
If haris sohail can be considered than so can Umar Amin, he was tried and given a chance when he was young and immature. he is now experienced and mature. with his seam bowling skills, he will be a good sixth bowler. and he is still young.
the important thing is he is form now, and a player has to be picked when he is in form. not the season after.
we have to play 55 to 60 overs. because if one bowler has a bad day or gets injured, there is somebody in the team to cover him in bowling.
haris sohail and umar amin both can be in the squad and one can play according to the days pitch.
on a side note, saud shakeel and saif badr should be drafted in the training camp and the squad. both are hard hitting batsmen.
the important thing is he is form now, and a player has to be picked when he is in form. not the season after.
we have to play 55 to 60 overs. because if one bowler has a bad day or gets injured, there is somebody in the team to cover him in bowling.
haris sohail and umar amin both can be in the squad and one can play according to the days pitch.
on a side note, saud shakeel and saif badr should be drafted in the training camp and the squad. both are hard hitting batsmen.
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i speak good english can i play for Pakistan.
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let Umar Amin rack up high scores in domestic then pick CLH.
Sharjeel has confessed to making a spot fixing arrangement apparently. He should not be allowed anywhere near the team again.
Umar Amin is clean and educated. He can become the next Imran Khan if given a proper run. Check out his innings against west indies in the 1st T20 in 2013.
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the mediocre thing who bowls at good pace and almost won us the match against Zimbawe on debut and has been performing consistently in domestic
Poeple cannot stomach the fact that Azhar is performing and defying expectations and perceptions.
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Not sure whether you watched that match or not... Except MISBAH's 79(107) nobody made a fifty in that match, it was a low scoring game... ABDV made a struggling 48(63) to chase down a small total to avoid whitewash.. SA won by 4 wickets chasing 180 by virtue of the partnership he had with MClaren for the 6th wicket otherwise it is all over for SA in that series could have been 3-0
shehzad in the same match out for a duck after hitting a ton in phatta in the previous match... it was Amin's first match to open and first match in that series too.. I agree he played cautiously and did make a partnership going with maqsood after he lost two early wickets (shehzad and shafiq) and the ball was swinging from both ends with tsotsobe and philander...
Umar Amin's biggest setback was that series in UAE against SA where he failed miserably after getting 3 games but he batted at 3 ,4 and 5 in each game, also the same series where Hafeez declared himself as steyn's bunny and nasir jamshed also started to struggle... that was a poor series for all batsmen from pak except maqsood who got 2 fifties, but he was also dropped to no.4 to accomodate failing hafeez at 3...
We should see the potential in a player and his skill set, not just look at stats to bring down a conclusion...
He had 4 tests in the UK at the age of 20 and dumped.. The series he was selected for the
UA never got a chance to play a test match in UAE...i was thinking same might happen to Babar Azam too in tests because of blindfolded conclusions and lack of chances in familiar conditions on young players..
After the CT 2013 though doing well at no.6 was dropped in the next series to WI then called back for ZIM series, Also remember Haris sohail was made to bat at no. 7 against ZIM in that series...
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I am fluent in English, can speak in various different accents and can play a little bit too. When can I join Pak cricket team as a captain?
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^^^Umar Amin has never convinced me, when ever I started to thinking he might click today, he eventually gets out!
I always wonder why he has such fan following when he never seemed to have the temperament to do so?
I always wonder why he has such fan following when he never seemed to have the temperament to do so?
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Shameful post. What has English got to do with it?
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lol, Sharjeel hasn't confessed...if he did there would be no 'trial' going on. Also, clean and educated is great but does that guarantee this guy can score? His current and past performance indicates he can't. Also, Salman Butt was clean and educated until the beans spilled out. Let's not forget Umar Amin was also a day or two late in reporting the approach made to him during this year's PSL.
Check Talha's bowling in 2014 Asia cup India game. Umar seems one innings wonder till now.
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Please tell me the OP is joking. 
Seriously some of these threads after the CT have been really strange. Not sure about the logic behind them.
Seriously some of these threads after the CT have been really strange. Not sure about the logic behind them.
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Usual statisticians having a seizure after hearing Amin's name.
The boy has the gift of timing and is a touch player. He is basically the opposite of Azhar; not mentally strong, but has a lot of talent with the bat.
Don't see him coming in right now, OP, because Azhar has earned himself at least another series or so after being clinical in the final, even though I myself don't think he should be in the ODI team and heading to the 2019 WC, though now he might be in the plans. Even though I think OP's intentions ache hain.
Actually that is my worry, that winning this trophy may have given a new lease of life to guys who shouldn't be in our long term plans for the WC like uncle Hafeez.
Also with Sarfraz, Malik, Babar, 3 guys who take their sweet time and Hafeez as well (barring final) we need another go getter to balance things. So again, not the best time to bring in Amin unless we get rid of the dross.
However if Malik is dropped, I wouldn't mind adding Amin. I actually think he deserves to go ahead of Haris who has just been sitting in a hospital bed for about a year and doing rehab vs Amin who in the same time frame was playing his butt off in the domestic circuit and actually did pretty well in List-A cricket.
Haris has the hype only because of sheer fan-boyism, not even sure he is fully fit yet. Amin is fit, has been playing cricket consistently for the last few years, is in the thick of it. Should get a go.
Shobby is a Pak legend, but every legend has his day, so he should go.
The boy has the gift of timing and is a touch player. He is basically the opposite of Azhar; not mentally strong, but has a lot of talent with the bat.
Don't see him coming in right now, OP, because Azhar has earned himself at least another series or so after being clinical in the final, even though I myself don't think he should be in the ODI team and heading to the 2019 WC, though now he might be in the plans. Even though I think OP's intentions ache hain.
Actually that is my worry, that winning this trophy may have given a new lease of life to guys who shouldn't be in our long term plans for the WC like uncle Hafeez.
Also with Sarfraz, Malik, Babar, 3 guys who take their sweet time and Hafeez as well (barring final) we need another go getter to balance things. So again, not the best time to bring in Amin unless we get rid of the dross.
However if Malik is dropped, I wouldn't mind adding Amin. I actually think he deserves to go ahead of Haris who has just been sitting in a hospital bed for about a year and doing rehab vs Amin who in the same time frame was playing his butt off in the domestic circuit and actually did pretty well in List-A cricket.
Haris has the hype only because of sheer fan-boyism, not even sure he is fully fit yet. Amin is fit, has been playing cricket consistently for the last few years, is in the thick of it. Should get a go.
Shobby is a Pak legend, but every legend has his day, so he should go.
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Please tell me the OP is joking.
Seriously some of these threads after the CT have been really strange. Not sure about the logic behind them.
I am willing to hire you as the pilot of PIA so long you have good Urdu
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I am willing to hire you as the pilot of PIA so long you have good Urdu
Sums up this thread tbh
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LOL, says someone who seems a die hard fan of someone who could hardly even save his wicket let alone score on the Int'l scena and is yet to crack the 40.00 average at the domestic level in any format.
That says a lot whether you like statistics or not for any batsman's calibre i.e. if they cannot dominate even at domestic level, may God helps them if they are picked at the Int'l level!
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I am willing to give him another chance.
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Technical knowledge or not, liking or disliking or what...a player averaging less than 40 in all formats is as bad as it gets; if such a person cannot even rack up runs locally, when will he ever do that on the big stage, me thinks never!
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Amin's 20 runs hold more worth than most players' 40 runs
Umar Amin has a lot of potential. He showed us what he is capable of in the 1st T20 against west indies in 2013. His potential should be nurtured amd extracted by giving him a regular run. If players like Shehzad and Umar Akmal can be repeatedly given chances because of "their talent and potential" then why not Umar Amin?
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No..
Tried.. tested... failed
Let's move on..
I wonder if fawad alam had that many chances.. he would have been one of the greats now..
Tried.. tested... failed
Let's move on..
I wonder if fawad alam had that many chances.. he would have been one of the greats now..
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Why to change the opening pair when it is doing a good job? Changes for the sake of changes are useless. At most Umar Amin can play in middle order that is if someone is unfit. Yes the guy has got talent and has performed well recently and has increased his range and can now play some big shots. To be honest I cant find anybody who needs to be dropped atm.
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All guys talking about average of Umar Amin... Do you know what was the average of Joe Root in first class when he debuted for England in tests.
According to you guys he should never have been selected in his first class team let alone England. He was averaging mere 35!!!.
That is where the eye comes in. Consider Hassan Ali he averaged 25 in first class with bowl in hand and there were at least 20 more bowlers with better average than him and same was the case with akhtar and many others.
You have to see the potential in the player to perform at international level.
According to you guys he should never have been selected in his first class team let alone England. He was averaging mere 35!!!.
That is where the eye comes in. Consider Hassan Ali he averaged 25 in first class with bowl in hand and there were at least 20 more bowlers with better average than him and same was the case with akhtar and many others.
You have to see the potential in the player to perform at international level.
If you have Kohli, Tendulkar, AB, Lara in your domestic cricket, go for them, otherwise, Umar Amin, on current form is your best bet for middle order or as opener. He is better than Haris Sohail, who's fitness even before the injury was far below the international standard.
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He does not have temperament which Haris has. He is a world cup performer unlike Amin below 20 average club level player.
Haris did not play any match winning knocks in the world cup 2015.
Amin should be given a consistent run to prove his worth. Keep him for a year, if he doesn't perform discard him.
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He played at international standard.
Amin paid for a days worth of full tosses in an FC match, he is just like Farhat and Shan Masood recommendation slip players.
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Must he?
When a talent is present, it MUST be used.
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Those willing to bypass Umar Amin's averages by pointing players like Joe Root etc. must remember Amin has been around the domestic scene for a long time and yet his average is yet to hit 40.00, which is considered to be an indicator that a batsman is at least decen/good!
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Some players don't start their domestic career on a high note, they struggle initially and hence,aren't able to cover up after playing for few years.He might not be having a 50 average in domestic cricket but of late he has been pretty consistent.In List A cricket from last 3/4 years he has been really good.
Sometimes you have to select a player based on the potential and how he is going to benifit the team in the long run.Just diving deep into the averages won't take you that far.By this logic Azhar should've never played for Pakistan because he averaged ~37 before making his internatinal debut and Fawad Alam should be the most senior player in the team as he averages more than 50.But we have seen Azhar churning himself into a fantastic batsman over the years by completely backing him.It can be done with Umar Amin as well as he has the class and required ingredients to be successful at international level and the more he plays the more he is going to be mentally stronger.
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sorry we have many other youngsters who deserves a chance instead of this useless fellow
we have tried him several times since 2010
failed every time
he is just not international material
mentally midget player
still its surprising to see he got so many supporters
we have tried him several times since 2010
failed every time
he is just not international material
mentally midget player
still its surprising to see he got so many supporters
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If you want an anchor than Azhar is doing a perfectly good job. Plus he can speak 'good English' too
But but but Azhar should be thrown out of the team. srniors should not be part of team and only youngsters has right to play.
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Umar Amin first tighten his defence and amend his lazy attitude then we can talk about his position in Pakistan A side.
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Azhar had one ability that Umar doesn't even know what is that about i.e. Resiliance/Temperament to play long innings; every time I watched Umar Amin in past, he almost alway threw his wicket right after getting set!
This one ability alone set Azhar apart from all youngsters bar Fawad Alam and he should get the nod above Umar Amin in both Tests and ODI's or even Usmal Shalahuddin. Both of them have averages and records that are poles apart from whatever Umar has ever achieved despite all three of them having 7-10 years of domestic cricket.
In Tests, before Umar Amin gets selected, I would def try out Fakkhar Zaman since he has exceptional record in domestic as well; in ODI's, there is only one spot and Fawad or Usman should take it for sure
Suleiman
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His six off Philander in that infamous ODI game in SAF vs SAF was one of the best sixes off the decade in terms of style and timing. Elegance personified. Let me see your Azhars, Babars and Bashirs do that.
msb314
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Umar Amin is a poor player and mentally weak.
I would rather persist with Azhar than him.
I would rather persist with Azhar than him.
msb314
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That is the most only thing of "significance" he has done in international cricket.
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