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Umpire Ian Gould policed Yasir Shah to bowl over the stumps. This incident happened in ongoing 3rd Test between Sri Lanka and Pakistan. Yasir Shah was getting good swing from around the stumps bowling, also in sub continent conditions around the stumps technique is attacking technique rather than defensive. Was it fair to force the bowler?
 
Why did he do that?

Also what authority does he umpire have to stop a bowler from bowling his line?
 
Umpire does have the authority to tell the bowler not to bowl negative lines.
But fact is yasir wasn't bowling a negative line. He was trying to pitch the ball into the rough area and was getting good turn.

Pathetic umpiring. Umpires Should be fined for this incompetency.
 
Why did he do that?

Also what authority does he umpire have to stop a bowler from bowling his line?

Umpire do have authority, but Yasir wasn't doing negative bowling. He was getting swing, and was troubling Mathews. Also commentators were criticizing Gould.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolute joke that Ian Gould was accusing a bowler who in this series has 24 wickets at an ave of 17.83 of negative bowling <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SLvPak?src=hash">#SLvPak</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/617649763937353728">July 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I remember him asking Paul Harris to do so in a test vs India back in 2010. Harris refused to change his line and then Gould went onto give some 8-9 wides for negative line.
 
I remember him asking Paul Harris to do so in a test vs India back in 2010. Harris refused to change his line and then Gould went onto give some 8-9 wides for negative line.
Bowling negative line is one thing. Yasir was trying to pitch it in the rough and get the batsman out!!!!!#
 
Bowling negative line is one thing. Yasir was trying to pitch it in the rough and get the batsman out!!!!!#

Pitching deliveries way outside leg stump is 'negative line'.

Even in that chase by Pakistan vs SL in UAE last year, wides were given by Kettleborough for similar line. Lakmal and Herath were also warned
 
The umpiring in this series has been passive hostile throughout, although Reiffel has been worse than Gould. It really is time that DRS was used solely to decide on it's own merits rather than to support the umpire. Too often it seems that umpires are referring in the hope that a wicket will get either given or overturned by the technology according to their bias and this has been affecting reviews available to the sides as a result.
 
Pitching deliveries way outside leg stump is 'negative line'.

Even in that chase by Pakistan vs SL in UAE last year, wides were given by Kettleborough for similar line. Lakmal and Herath were also warned

Did u watch it LIVE?
He was getting sharp turn which was ending up on off stump. If this is negative line then bowlers should cease to bowl from around the wicket because this is how you bowl in order to control the turn you are getting.

Herath was bowling totally negative lines in that match. It was evident when you watched it. Plus SL were deliberately trying to waste time to force a draw that time.
Pakistan can't force a draw here.
 
Did u watch it LIVE?
He was getting sharp turn which was ending up on off stump. If this is negative line then bowlers should cease to bowl from around the wicket because this is how you bowl in order to control the turn you are getting.

Herath was bowling totally negative lines in that match. It was evident when you watched it. Plus SL were deliberately trying to waste time to force a draw that time.
Pakistan can't force a draw here.

Been waching every single delivery. Only when it was hitting the rough was he getting that much turn.

In any case, Yasir had the option of defying the umpire and continue with his line like Harris or Herath did . He preferred not to run the risk for being called for a wide and switched to over the wicket.
 
Ashley Giles vs Tendulkar comes to mind.

Never seen more negative cricket than that.
 
Yeah i was watching the match and it was pathetic seeing gould trying to force Yasir to bowl from the other side. Gould always has issues with Pakistan. Why cant we get Kettle-borough? :sanga
 
More implicit racism from old white men. Time to call it what it is.

Maybe they just really enjoy touring Pakistan games, we do get a lot of Australian and English umpires doing our series, this time with a friendly Indian as 3rd umpire. It reminds me of that Sikh guy who was a member of the EDL.
 
Please dont pull this card.

Same old story, Pakistan are starting to lose a match so focus on the umpire and look for a mistake then claim the umpire cost Pak the match and the umpires are biased against Pak. It happens all the time.
 
Same old story, Pakistan are starting to lose a match so focus on the umpire and look for a mistake then claim the umpire cost Pak the match and the umpires are biased against Pak. It happens all the time.

Except no one here did that... awkward...
 
Ridiculous comment.

If Aleem Dar ever does this is he racist towards white bowlers?

Oh wait I forgot only white men can be racist, silly me

This. The umpire shouldn't be doing this, but frustrated fans are saying it's "racist" because he wasn't letting Yasir do what he wanted to do.

It's obviously unfair for an umpire to do this when Yasir is bowling well, but calling it racist is just silly.
 
Same old story, Pakistan are starting to lose a match so focus on the umpire and look for a mistake then claim the umpire cost Pak the match and the umpires are biased against Pak. It happens all the time.

Except no one claimed any such thing. Gould had no role in telling yasir what to bowl. Accept what is wrong as wrong but then i dont expect much from you. Iz cool.
 
This. The umpire shouldn't be doing this, but frustrated fans are saying it's "racist" because he wasn't letting Yasir do what he wanted to do.

It's obviously unfair for an umpire to do this when Yasir is bowling well, but calling it racist is just silly.

Its not unfair for the umpire to inform the bowler that if he continues to bowl so far wide of the leg stump he will call it wide, the bowler can continue to bowl there and force the umpire to call wides, but the bowler has to bowl so the batsman has the opportunity to hit the ball.
 
Except no one claimed any such thing. Gould had no role in telling yasir what to bowl. Accept what is wrong as wrong but then i dont expect much from you. Iz cool.

Gould has every right to tell the bowler if he continues to bowl wide of the wicket he will call it wide. Basic laws of the game.
 
Its not unfair for the umpire to inform the bowler that if he continues to bowl so far wide of the leg stump he will call it wide, the bowler can continue to bowl there and force the umpire to call wides, but the bowler has to bowl so the batsman has the opportunity to hit the ball.

He's been doing this, but it hasn't ended bad for him. Surely he has reason to bowl there?
 
He's been doing this, but it hasn't ended bad for him. Surely he has reason to bowl there?

If he bowls there and the batsman cant play a normal cricket shot then the umpire must call it wide, If Gould let the bowler bowl balls that the batsman cant play then he would be called out by the Sri Lankans for not applying the laws of the game. Gould did the right thing by telling the bowler if he bowls out there he will have to call it wide, the bowler then has the option of risking a few wides to try and snag a wicket, but by the same token the batsman has every right to expect the umpire to call balls that he has no chance of playing a shot to be called wide.
 
Ridiculous comment.

If Aleem Dar ever does this is he racist towards white bowlers?

Oh wait I forgot only white men can be racist, silly me

Aleem Dar was picked and groomed as an international umpire precisely because he was impeccable in his fairness and without bias. You could say the same about Australian umpire Simon Taufel. It's like comparing the Independent to the Daily Mail.
 
Aleem Dar was picked and groomed as an international umpire precisely because he was impeccable in his fairness and without bias. You could say the same about Australian umpire Simon Taufel. It's like comparing the Independent to the Daily Mail.

The only umpire bias is in peoples minds.
 
It was a poor decision by umpire. Yasir was troubling the batsmen.

Paul reifell on the other hand is a pathetic umpire anyway.
 
Ridiculous comment.

If Aleem Dar ever does this is he racist towards white bowlers?

Oh wait I forgot only white men can be racist, silly me

I wouldnt blame whites for this, but Anglo-Saxons do seem to be a bit biased towards subcontinentals...
 
most will try to play "diplomatically". but, above is hard fact.

That's the mindset you have, if he didn't call the wides then he would have been racist against the Sri Lankans and if he does call the wides then he is racist against the Pakistani's.
 
It wasn't even "negative". He was getting some very good spin from the rough and troubled Matthews.

Sometimes the power of authority gets to peoples head.
 
Pakistan need to lodge a protest. First they settled for an extra review after a blatant error in one of the first 2 tests and now this happens. Probably umps think Pak is a soft target and do as they please.
 
Maybe they just really enjoy touring Pakistan games, we do get a lot of Australian and English umpires doing our series, this time with a friendly Indian as 3rd umpire. It reminds me of that Sikh guy who was a member of the EDL.
Cpt. Rishwat and an Indian connection. So sweet
 
If he bowls there and the batsman cant play a normal cricket shot then the umpire must call it wide, If Gould let the bowler bowl balls that the batsman cant play then he would be called out by the Sri Lankans for not applying the laws of the game. Gould did the right thing by telling the bowler if he bowls out there he will have to call it wide, the bowler then has the option of risking a few wides to try and snag a wicket, but by the same token the batsman has every right to expect the umpire to call balls that he has no chance of playing a shot to be called wide.

Yasir was troubling the bastmen, and as soon as this happens the Umpires directly tells him to bowl over the stumps. It wasn't "negative" at all, but the umpire still decides to do this. It's a poor decision imo, but people shouldn't called it racist.
 
Fact like what? Ian Gould doing something in a SL Pak match has got what to do with India or an Indian?

I didn't say Indian had anything to do with Gould's decision, I just stated that the umpires were from Australia, England and 3rd umpire was from India. That is correct is it not?
 
This seems to be the case of our players not knowing the rules of the game properly (Inzi comes to mind). The Umpire was well within his rights to warn the bowler.

Yasir should have continued bowling around the wicket if he really wanted to get a wicket. If his ball had landed over the leg stump or the batsman was forced to play the ball - no way the umpire could have called a wide.

It seems to me that Yasir thought it is compulsory for him to obey the umpire here
 
There is a difference between negative bowling and negative line.

Yasir was trying to exploit the rough. Have seen Warne and Kaneria bowling like that and taking wickets.

It wasn't a case of time wasting strategy like Herath did in Sharjah or Indian spinners did in Banglore 2005.

Yasir going round the wicket was a genuine case of improving his chances of getting a breakthrough by going round the wicket.


But to present it as racism is not right.

Pakistan has twice suffered from umpires poor understanding of rules in this series.
 
Truth hurts. It's endemic in all institutions where white middle aged men hold sway. These guys should be investigated for this.

As usual [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] just talking garbage as usual.
I bet he didn't even watch the match. Just fulfilling his customary duty of supporting anything against Pakistan.
 
I actually cant believe what I'm reading.

Umpire asks a guy to bowl over the wicket on a cricket pitch and he's racist.

I'm off to the police station, clearly that Asian guy I tried to mug was racist otherwise he would've handed me the money

LOL, a good one.

Yasir should have continued bowling the same line and take wickets if he felt that he was gonna take lots of wickets by doing so. Obviously he thought that he will give tons of wides and not take many wickets. That made him switch. Calling it a racism by umpire is very weird to see.
 
Ian Gould whilst umpiring is all jokes and smiles with most cricketers. However I've noticed him have this 'headmaster' attitude when it comes to some teams' bowlers.
 
I bet he didn't even watch the match. Just fulfilling his customary duty of supporting anything against Pakistan.

I'd be surprised if anybody defending the umpiring has watched this game. It's not even about one decision, the whole series has been an embarrassment.
 
Ian Gould whilst umpiring is all jokes and smiles with most cricketers. However I've noticed him have this 'headmaster' attitude when it comes to some teams' bowlers.

He is a tough nut, i've seen him do to the Aussies as well.
 
Ian Gould whilst umpiring is all jokes and smiles with most cricketers. However I've noticed him have this 'headmaster' attitude when it comes to some teams' bowlers.

I just recollected, Gould was unhappy with Ajmal's celebrations in one of the dismissals in second test of SA-Pak Test series in UAE.
And commentators (Mike Haysman) were saying that there was nothing wrong in his celebrations.

So yeah, maybe Gould does have tendency be inflexible sometimes.
 
Ian Gould whilst umpiring is all jokes and smiles with most cricketers. However I've noticed him have this 'headmaster' attitude when it comes to some teams' bowlers.

Now now Saj it must be figment of your imagination..
 
Sri Lankan or Pakistani or Indian, we're all still brown. It makes no sense that somebody could be racist towards Pakistanis and not towards Indians and Sri Lankans, because racially we are all brown skinned, black haired South Asians.

Also, what kind of a racist expresses his hate by awarding wides :)) if Ian Gould was racist then he would be doing a lot worse than telling Yasir to change his line.
 
mathews was out earlier pak should of reviewed that but this is blatant mistake if the ball is ending up on the stumps then how is it negative?
 
He is a tough nut, i've seen him do to the Aussies as well.

Not really. While i disagree with the racist angle. That is BS but he is not a good umpire et all. Not what you call an elite umpire. PCB should ask for Kettleborough. Excellent umpire.
 
I actually cant believe what I'm reading.

Umpire asks a guy to bowl over the wicket on a cricket pitch and he's racist.

I'm off to the police station, clearly that Asian guy I tried to mug was racist otherwise he would've handed me the money

I think you are going OTT as usual. Do you have any response to why gould would tell yasir to bowl from a certain side? What right he has? And how was yasir bowling negatively? Instead of throwing hyperboles you can try proper discussion too.
 
I think you are going OTT as usual. Do you have any response to why gould would tell yasir to bowl from a certain side? What right he has? And how was yasir bowling negatively? Instead of throwing hyperboles you can try proper discussion too.

Gould only told the bowler if he continued to bowl wide of the stumps he would call it a wide, he did not tell him he had to bowl over the wicket. Yasir could have kept bowling around the wicket but with a tighter line or if he wanted continued on the same line and risked being called wide.

As for rights the umpire has every right to tell the bowler he is bowling to wide and if he continues he will call them, that's his job and he has every right.
 
Same old story, Pakistan are starting to lose a match so focus on the umpire and look for a mistake then claim the umpire cost Pak the match and the umpires are biased against Pak. It happens all the time.

Yah, stop exaggerating. No one's blaming Gould for losing this test match LOL. What are you on?
 
I think you are going OTT as usual. Do you have any response to why gould would tell yasir to bowl from a certain side? What right he has? And how was yasir bowling negatively? Instead of throwing hyperboles you can try proper discussion too.

Obviously he felt the line he was consistently bowling wasnt giving the batsman a fair chance of playing a shot, so he informed him that if he continues in that vein he'd start calling wides. Thats all their is to this whole situation IMO.

And I dont see how I'm being hyperbolic when others are pulling the race card
 
Whether or not Yasir was bowling negative line, an umpire should not be allowed to dictate from which end a bowler should bowl. That is absolutely ridiculous.

If the umpire feels he is bowling negative line, give it as a wide. Surely the bowler will have to change his line then.
 
Ian Gould whilst umpiring is all jokes and smiles with most cricketers. However I've noticed him have this 'headmaster' attitude when it comes to some teams' bowlers.

That's exactly what I was noticing but I put it down to a language barrier.
 
There are only a couple people in this entire thread who impugned racism, and this thread has taken a whole new turn. Clearly a manufactured controversy.
 
Whether or not Yasir was bowling negative line, an umpire should not be allowed to dictate from which end a bowler should bowl. That is absolutely ridiculous.

If the umpire feels he is bowling negative line, give it as a wide. Surely the bowler will have to change his line then.

Umpire didn't dictate. Bowler chose to change it himself.

Bowler could have continued bowling the same way. Obviously bowler felt that he had a less chance of picking up wickets than getting called for too many wide balls . Bowler didn't like the risk-benefit equation and changed.
 
Ridiculous comment.

If Aleem Dar ever does this is he racist towards white bowlers?

Oh wait I forgot only white men can be racist, silly me

This. The umpire shouldn't be doing this, but frustrated fans are saying it's "racist" because he wasn't letting Yasir do what he wanted to do.

It's obviously unfair for an umpire to do this when Yasir is bowling well, but calling it racist is just silly.

but there is a big IF in b/w
 
There is no need to make any accusations of racism against Gould - will not be tolerated.
 
Gould has the full authority to warn yasir and wide him if necessary if he felt he was consistently bowling negative lines ie pitching the ball way outside leg from round the wkt

but If gould asked him to change his angle of attack from round to over the wkt then thats clearly wrong An umpire shouldnt dictate from which angle a bowler can or cannt bowl from

can someone clarify which happened?
 
Yasir could had continued with the line unless he doesn't know that he could, in that case ...
 
Umpire didn't dictate. Bowler chose to change it himself.

Bowler could have continued bowling the same way. Obviously bowler felt that he had a less chance of picking up wickets than getting called for too many wide balls . Bowler didn't like the risk-benefit equation and changed.

The OP and thread title suggested that umpire made him to bowl over-the-wicket?
 
The OP and thread title suggested that umpire made him to bowl over-the-wicket?

The umpire cant make the bowler bowl over the wicket, you learn that in kiddies cricket but for some reason some posters here don't know the basics of cricket.

Gould's job as umpire is to let the bowler know when he is getting close to bowling a line where he will call it wide, Gould did everything right.
 
The umpire cant make the bowler bowl over the wicket, you learn that in kiddies cricket but for some reason some posters here don't know the basics of cricket.

Gould's job as umpire is to let the bowler know when he is getting close to bowling a line where he will call it wide, Gould did everything right.

Well then I don't see whats the fuss about, the title is confusing for someone who hasn't seen the game live. If Yasir was indeed bowling a wicket-taking line, he shouldn't have worried about a few wides.
 
The best way to respond to Ian Gould and Cricket Australia's representatives who seem to work for ICC too is by winning this test. Come on, lads.
 
Gould has the full authority to warn yasir and wide him if necessary if he felt he was consistently bowling negative lines ie pitching the ball way outside leg from round the wkt

but If gould asked him to change his angle of attack from round to over the wkt then thats clearly wrong An umpire shouldnt dictate from which angle a bowler can or cannt bowl from

can someone clarify which happened?

Yasir was getting sharp turn around the stumps, and he also took wickets from around the stumps bowling.

The OP and thread title suggested that umpire made him to bowl over-the-wicket?

Yes for sure, and guess what? Yasir took only one wicket after this incident.

The umpire cant make the bowler bowl over the wicket, you learn that in kiddies cricket but for some reason some posters here don't know the basics of cricket.

Gould's job as umpire is to let the bowler know when he is getting close to bowling a line where he will call it wide, Gould did everything right.

And some body who didn't watch any thing and flying words in the air. First you should watch the match, go and watch the clips Sir, and listen to the commentators both pakistani and Sri Lankans, and then you should talk about the basics of cricket.
 
Yasir was getting sharp turn around the stumps, and he also took wickets from around the stumps bowling.

And if he continued to do that he would be fine, except as Gould warned him if any failed to turn into the batsmans hitting range he would be forced to give it a wide.
 
Gould has the full authority to warn yasir and wide him if necessary if he felt he was consistently bowling negative lines ie pitching the ball way outside leg from round the wkt

but If gould asked him to change his angle of attack from round to over the wkt then thats clearly wrong An umpire shouldnt dictate from which angle a bowler can or cannt bowl from

can someone clarify which happened?

Bold part happened.
 
Why is the race card being played?

It's more a case of ignorance than anything else.
 
Before Gary Pratt there was Ian Gould.
The English umpire will be in the middle for the final time in India’s clash with Sri Lanka at Headingley, but a look into the archives reminds us that he too once had a substitute fielder Ashes moment.
An accomplished wicket-keeper, Gould was part of the squad that toured Australia in 1982/83, and in the fourth Test came onto the field as a substitute during Australia’s chase of 292 for victory in the Test and the series.
As Pratt would do so memorably 23 years later in running out Ricky Ponting, Gould dismissed the Australian skipper. He pouched Greg Chappell with a stunning low grab in the covers for just two off the bowling of Norman Cowans, and England went onto win one of the most dramatic matches in the rivalry’s long history by three runs.
Of course Gould’s cannot be reduced to one stunning catch.
First as a player he kept wicket for England at the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 1983, playing 18 ODIs in total, as well as more than 600 combined first class and List A games.
Nicknamed Gunner due to his time in the Arsenal youth set-up before settling on cricket, Gould played for Sussex, Middlesex and even had a spell in New Zealand with Auckland.
After calling time on his playing career in the 1990s, Gould then took up a coaching role with Middlesex.
However it is as an umpire that he has perhaps become best known. For more than a decade he has been a fixture on the international circuit, notable for his practice of not employing a standard ball counter, instead using six Bahraini Dinars to count deliveries.
The now 61-year-old made his international debut 13 years ago in a T20 international between England and Sri Lanka in Southampton, a thriller won by the visitors by just two runs.
An ODI debut followed five days later in a match between the same two teams, and the following year he got his first taste of World Cup cricket.
This is now his fourth ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup, with arguably the pinnacle of his career coming in 2011 in Mohali when Gould was one of the men in the middle for the World Cup semi-final between India and Pakistan.
He had joined the ICC’s Elite Panel of umpires two years previously, umpiring the final of the ICC Champions Trophy in South Africa.
Gould finishes his career having umpired 74 Tests in all, while this will be his 140th ODI.
When he was a player Gould featured in a World Cup semi-final, 28 years later he did the same as an umpire.
So it is time to tip the cap to a man who has played an enduring if understated role in the game for more than four decades.
 
Wasnt it was Ian Gould who didn't gave Sachin out against Ajmal in Mohali 2011 have loathed and despised him since that day
 
Think it's appropriate for mods to rename this thread if it's been bumped as tribute to him....

Farewell Ian Gould.
 
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