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Unlikely, but what if India/England don't make it to semi-finals of the 2019 World Cup?

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So after the washout against New Zealand today, India has two wins and one no result. If India loses to Pakistan on Sunday, then lose to England and win all of their other matches, then they will be equal in points with Pakistan, if Pakistan wins all of their remaining matches.

Same goes for England. If they have a washout in one of their games and lose to India, then they will be equal in points with Pakistan, if Pakistan wins all of their remaining matches.

It could all be decided by the net run rate in the end. No team is safe as of now.

This tournament is still wide open and Pakistani fans shouldn't lose hope. There are some short comings in the team (which can be rectified), but if they play to their potential, they can beat any team in the tournament. After making mistakes, they were still able to beat England. Even yesterday, the match could have been won easily if they were sensible.

I would request all the fans to pray for the team and be positive. Insha Allah we can do it. #WeHaveWeWillInshaAllah
 
If Pakistan wins against India, I think it will severely dent their confidence.

Let’s hope luck favors us.
 
Pakistani fans and their delusions have no limits.

Somehow, Pakistan will win all of their remaining matches but the two far superior teams will lose against the same opponents.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Pakistani fans and their delusions have no limits.

Somehow, Pakistan will win all of their remaining matches but the two far superior teams will lose against the same opponents.
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Pakistan has already beaten England. There could only be one winner between India and England. If we beat India and win all other matches, it is quite possible that one of India/England can be with the same points as Pakistan.
 
uak92 said:
Pakistan has already beaten England. There could only be one winner between India and England. If we beat India and win all other matches, it is quite possible that one of India/England can be with the same points as Pakistan.
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If you'll win all matches, you'll be champion. Even a person living in Antarctica who has never seen cricket can tell that.
 
uak92 said:
Pakistan has already beaten England. There could only be one winner between India and England. If we beat India and win all other matches, it is quite possible that one of India/England can be with the same points as Pakistan.
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Theoretically, anything can happen. Pakistan can win its remaining 5 matches but what are the odds of that happening? Similarly, what are the odds of India and England not winning at least 6 of their 9 matches?

Even for arguments sake, if it happens, Pakistan will still not make it because they have a very poor NRR due to one sided games with West Indies and Australia.

The only way this scenario can work is if Pakistan thrashes all opponents in its remaining 5 matches, and India and England lose at least two of their remaining matches with big margins.
 
Too many ifs in this thread. And too techy for our squad to decipher.

Pulao over biryani in consistency of rice, illaichi and meat? Let's talk now. Pak v Ind or Pak v World doesn't matter, let's see who comes close.
 
Nice spirit.
But we are not qualifying because even if we stand at equal points with these teams,hypothetically,our NRR will not allow us to qualify.

But i like the optimism:sarf
 
The_Odd_One said:
Pakistani fans and their delusions have no limits.

Somehow, Pakistan will win all of their remaining matches but the two far superior teams will lose against the same opponents.
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It's a race to 8 dropped points. We have to keep believing until we have dropped more than 7. At the moment we have dropped 5.

Bang have dropped 5. They will drop 8 by the end of this as they have to play India and Aus ( and us!)
WI have dropped 3 ( they are also likely to drop 8 as they play Eng, NZ, Ind) they are also susceptible to a loss Vs SL
SA have dropped 7
Afg and SL are out of it.

That leaves 4 teams and Pak.

Take Australia . They have dropped 2 points. They can EASILY lose to NZ and Eng.
That means that in there last game they HAVE TO BEAT SA to go through.

It isn't straight forward.

We have made it tough for ourselves and need 4 wins out of 5.
Beating India almost fixes everything .
Let's be positive
 
They are likely to make it. Let's be honest. We need NZ and West Indies to lose games. Yes I know West Indies are Pak fans favourites, I like them too. But they are challenging for the spot we want . So them losing is good for us.

Need rain to stay away.
 
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Hasan123 said:
They are likely to make it. Let's be honest. We need NZ and West Indies to lose games. Yes I know West Indies are PP favourites, I like them too. But they are challenging for the spot we want . So them losing is good for us.

Need rain to stay away.
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Read my above post. It's Australia who we are more likely to catch after today
 
Hasan123 said:
They are likely to make it. Let's be honest. We need NZ and West Indies to lose games. Yes I know West Indies are PP favourites, I like them too. But they are challenging for the spot we want . So them losing is good for us.

Need rain to stay away.
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We need a minimum of 4 wins.
My best bet is on aus to make way for us if we get those 4 wins. We just need aus vs bd to get washed out or Sri lanka to beat aus tomorrow. It will become harder for aus.
 
Abdullah said:
Read my above post. It's Australia who we are more likely to catch after today
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Australia have Sri Lanka and Bangladesh still to play. They should beat them 2 and that will take them to 10 points. Also I would back them to beat NZ and South Africa under pressure .
 
Ronaldo7 said:
We need a minimum of 4 wins.
My best bet is on aus to make way for us if we get those 4 wins. We just need aus vs bd to get washed out or Sri lanka to beat aus tomorrow. It will become harder for aus.
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Sri Lanka are playing Australia on Saturday . The weather should be fine for that game. I am hoping for a Sri Lanka win but Australia should win that.

Weather should get better later in the month so we need to hope for upsets rather than weather forecasts.

Catching West Indies and New Zealand is more realistic.
 
When you Play Game of Thrones You Win or you Die -

Worldcup has now entered GameofThrones Mode and Tournament Favourites might experience some sudden blows , Rain Hits , Bad Days ( Call it any term) But Rise of Lower Half of group , few sinking ships taking out few warriors alongside and those Pandits assuming its as simple as the blink of the eye could see something comming towards them. ICC events has a History which is apparent it does create a storm and never let visible factors to be played just because we have naked eye for them.

Remember the pre-scenario of this World Cup - India trying their level best to ensure Pakistan stays out of this worldcup or they threat using their money Power to sink ICC for good , But where did it ended ? was it straight forward for ICC to say Yes-Man to India specially over Pakistan ?
 
One more thing to add : This Worldcup is being kind to Streaks being over so far

Like in ENG/PAK two streaks broken and Next broken was vs SL , who never beat Pakistan in worldcup but took away points and the next streak in the Pre-worldcup scenario is against India.

In my other thread i predicted a Pakistan Win over India , and it could pretty much decide the future of BCCI control as well over ICC in the comming days.
 
Hasan123 said:
Australia have Sri Lanka and Bangladesh still to play. They should beat them 2 and that will take them to 10 points. Also I would back them to beat NZ and South Africa under pressure .
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But we would take that right now.
SA to beat Aus in the last group game to put Pak through.
 
For me Pakistan is already in the WC final and it is this Sunday.

Trust me, the whole nation will be more than happy to win against India and not make it to the semis.
 
What if babar better understand his role?
What if we stop dropping catches?
What if we stop gifting wickets?

Too many "if" and "buts" thats how pakistani fan life worked. It hurts a lot.
 
life4smile said:
In my other thread i predicted a Pakistan Win over India , and it could pretty much decide the future of BCCI control as well over ICC in the comming days.
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Lol. After the loss of champions Trophy did revenue for ICC decreased from BCCI. Did pak contributed huge amount after the champions Trophy. In terms of revenue BCCI revenue is shared to other countries including to your country.

How people come to these type of conclusion. Only pak can think of these type of situations.
Good luck for your coming days LOL.
 
gazza619 said:
For me Pakistan is already in the WC final and it is this Sunday.

Trust me, the whole nation will be more than happy to win against India and not make it to the semis.
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Yes, as long as India don't go on to win the whole thing of course
 
hadi123 said:
Yes, as long as India don't go on to win the whole thing of course
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I want Pakistan to win the world cup as it will rekindle the spirit of your nation. They deserve it and have the players who can produce the magic as well!
 
life4smile said:
One more thing to add : This Worldcup is being kind to Streaks being over so far

Like in ENG/PAK two streaks broken and Next broken was vs SL , who never beat Pakistan in worldcup but took away points and the next streak in the Pre-worldcup scenario is against India.

In my other thread i predicted a Pakistan Win over India , and it could pretty much decide the future of BCCI control as well over ICC in the comming days.
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To decide future of BCCI, psl must grow bigger than ipl.
 
India has yet to play against:

- Pakistan

- Afghanistan

- West Indies

- England

- Bangladesh

- Sri Lanka

If they lose against two or more of these teams, their spot for the semis will get in danger.


England are guaranteed semi-finalists in my opinion after the win against West Indies.
 
Mueez said:
India has yet to play against:

- Pakistan

- Afghanistan

- West Indies

- England

- Bangladesh

- Sri Lanka

If they lose against two or more of these teams, their spot for the semis will get in danger.


England are guaranteed semi-finalists in my opinion after the win against West Indies.
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Ouch England’s chances have seriously gotten a dent.

They now have to win two out of three against India, Australia and New Zealand.
 
Mueez said:
Ouch England’s chances have seriously taken a dent.

They now have to win two out of three against India, Australia and New Zealand.
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You’re sure they have to win 2 out of 3 matches?
 
Hitman said:
You’re sure they have to win 2 out of 3 matches?
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Sri Lanka can get to 12 points.

Bangladesh, West Indies and Pakistan can get to 11 points.

South Africa can get to 9 points.

So I reckon England only need to win 2/3 to go through.
 
England under pressure now truly and they are up against the best sides now

Will be really interesting see how they fare now
 
Mueez said:
Sri Lanka can get to 12 points.

Bangladesh, West Indies and Pakistan can get to 11 points.

South Africa can get to 9 points.

So I reckon England only need to win 2/3 to go through.
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1 win will get eng to 10 and 2 wins will get them to 12.
 
England are very vulnerable, they MUST win 2 of the next 3 games. If any one of Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka, or Bangladesh win all of their remaining games, and England only win one, then England are out.

Very difficult for WI, SL, or BAN, but Pakistan have a serious shot at a SF spot. England have proven twice that they are very weak under pressure. One loss against India or Australia will make the NZ game a virtual quarter final, which I would back NZ to win. Even better if they lose to both India and Australia.
 
England will be fine.

It’s New Zealand who needs to be worried if they lose to WI today.
 
Hasan2K8 said:
England will be fine.

It’s New Zealand who needs to be worried if they lose to WI today.
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I think England have a tougher ride than NZ

The kind of surrender they did yesterday it would be epic if this fancied bunch of softies crash out of the tournament
 
England are up against Aus If they lose that then they have a must win match against India

Difficult ride ahead hoping for them to panic
 
hur rizvi said:
I think England have a tougher ride than NZ

The kind of surrender they did yesterday it would be epic if this fancied bunch of softies crash out of the tournament
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One win for England will be enough. England will show you how to smash NZ the most luckiest team of this WC.

And going back to this wicket against SL. You won’t see that in Eng v AUS, NZ, for sure.
 
Hasan2K8 said:
One win for England will be enough. England will show you how to smash NZ the most luckiest team of this WC.

And going back to this wicket against SL. You won’t see that in Eng v AUS, NZ, for sure.
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With 1 win they will be at mercy of other teams
In a pressure match my bet will be on NZ
 
Unlikely, but what if Hashim Amla hits a match winning hundred against Pakistan before the end of the World Cup?
 
Eng is going to face three sure shot SF teams Aus, Ind, NZ next. If there's one team they all want to avoid in SF or final, it's ENG!. I think ENG is done.

The winner of Pak vs BD has a good chance of the 4th spot.
 
Both Vaughan and Hussain are
Very vocal about avoiding India in the semis. Under.pressure they can crack good bowlers.
 
Mueez said:
Sri Lanka can get to 12 points.

Bangladesh, West Indies and Pakistan can get to 11 points.

South Africa can get to 9 points.

So I reckon England only need to win 2/3 to go through.
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That is assuming that one of SL, Ban, WI or Pak do not drop points.

Enough opportunities for them do drop points.

SL have India, SA and WI.

WI have NZ, Ind and SL.

Pak have NZ, SA and Ban where they could drop points.

Ban have India and Pakistan where they could drop points.

I expect Ban, Pak, SL and WI to at least drop 2 points. Pak vs Ban, and WI vs SL will take care of at least 2 of those teams. The other 2 will drop points against NZ or India.

Which means the most SL can get to is 10, Ban, WI and Pak to 9. So, England need just 2 points and they will be through to the semis. They have a superior NRR, so even if SL get to 10, England will be through.

Its still more than 90% chance of England going through. Now, if India lose to both Aus and India, then we are talking.
 
I still think both India and England will go through, but if one/both of them does not, then so be it. This is a World Cup and in tournament sport anything can happen.
 
Of course they will. I predicted this over a year ago - England, India, NZ with a possible fourth position taken up by pak, sa or aus. I massively wrong about two of those teams haha

Other than that pretty obvious
 
Although most probably top 4 will stay the same but England are the most likely team to miss out on top 4. Hoping for a traditional World Cup mess up from England
 
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