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WASHINGTON: Amidst tensions in bilateral ties, the US Congress has passed a defence spending bill capping its security-related aid to Pakistan at $150 million, significantly below the historic level of more than $1 billion per year.

The National Defense Authorisation Act-2019 (NDAA-19), however, removes certain conditions - like action against Haqqani Network or the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) -- as was the case in the past few years for disbursement of US aid to Pakistan.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-congress-massively-cuts-paks-defence-aid-but-heres-what-it-loses-in-return-1893869

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-congress-bill-to-slash-pakistans-defence-aid-to-150-million-5287535/

RIP to the demands .. :yk
 
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WASHINGTON: Amidst tensions in bilateral ties, the US Congress has passed a defence spending bill capping its security-related aid to Pakistan at $150 million, significantly below the historic level of more than $1 billion per year.

The National Defense Authorisation Act-2019 (NDAA-19), however, removes certain conditions - like action against Haqqani Network or the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) -- as was the case in the past few years for disbursement of US aid to Pakistan.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-congress-massively-cuts-paks-defence-aid-but-heres-what-it-loses-in-return-1893869

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-congress-bill-to-slash-pakistans-defence-aid-to-150-million-5287535/

RIP to the demands .. :yk

LOL. You get only $150mn. Last year the allocation was $700mn. LOL.
 
Great news.

Less reliance on the yanks is only a good thing.

Now Pakistan can more freely support the resistance in Afghanistan against the occupiers and Indians.
 
LOL. You get only $150mn. Last year the allocation was $700mn. LOL.

how naive you are ? they were cutting our DEFENCE AID from last 3 years, (obama was the president,) and what they gt in return ? ZERO.

Pak army already told them LAST year, they are not interested in US defence aid.

The National Defense Authorisation Act-2019 (NDAA-19), however, removes certain conditions - like action against Haqqani Network or the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) -- as was the case in the past few years for disbursement of US aid to Pakistan.

Again, REST IN PEACE to the "demands" . :))
 
how naive you are ? they were cutting our DEFENCE AID from last 3 years, (obama was the president,) and what they gt in return ? ZERO.

Pak army already told them LAST year, they are not interested in US defence aid.



Again, REST IN PEACE to the "demands" . :))

LOL. They have removed you totally from the Coalition Support Funds. Pakistan can only get a paltry 150mn as border security enhancement related funds. So if they have removed the CS funds where is the question of providing any certifications. They just closed the tap altogether and no chance for Pakistan to now negotiate.So what do you get as CSF fund now? ZERO.
Add to that the FAFT grey list.

Pakistan in a need of a bailout. US opposing the IMF bailout. Well Pak Army can keep playing to the galleries, the economy goes down the drain.
 
Great news.

Less reliance on the yanks is only a good thing.

Now Pakistan can more freely support the resistance in Afghanistan against the occupiers and Indians.

Taliban's are the resistance?LOL. you really support these terrorists dont you.

From when did Pakistanis start deciding who is an occupier of another country?
 
Taliban's are the resistance?LOL. you really support these terrorists dont you.

From when did Pakistanis start deciding who is an occupier of another country?

I support anyone who is an Afghan and is fighting to remove occupiers of their lands and those who support them such as the Indians.

I cant recall the Afghan people inviting in Nato or any evidence to suggest the majority want them in their lands now.

Joshila bhai read some history, Afghans are not like Indians who let foreigners enter and rule them, they have a history of resistance.
 
LOL. They have removed you totally from the Coalition Support Funds. Pakistan can only get a paltry 150mn as border security enhancement related funds. So if they have removed the CS funds where is the question of providing any certifications. They just closed the tap altogether and no chance for Pakistan to now negotiate.So what do you get as CSF fund now? ZERO.
Add to that the FAFT grey list.

Pakistan in a need of a bailout. US opposing the IMF bailout. Well Pak Army can keep playing to the galleries, the economy goes down the drain.
I guess Pakistan will just have to make whopping increases to the transit fees (to be paid in cash up front) for food, fuel and supplies for the U.S. forces in Afghanistan that go via Pakistan. Oh well ....
 
I support anyone who is an Afghan and is fighting to remove occupiers of their lands and those who support them such as the Indians.

So you supported the Northern Alliance when they were fighting to remove the Pakistani puppets of Taliban?

I cant recall the Afghan people inviting in Nato or any evidence to suggest the majority want them in their lands now.

I cant recall them asking Pakistan to interfere in their sovereign territory either.
Joshila bhai read some history, Afghans are not like Indians who let foreigners enter and rule them, they have a history of resistance.

Yea i have read history. How Afghans changed from Hindu Majority under Hindu kings like the Mauryas to Buddhist under the Kushans to again Hindus under the Kabul Shahis and then Muslim under the invading muslim armies. They just become what the foreigners are.

Resistance is when you retain what you were when you were invaded till the time you throw out the invaders. Thats something you will not understand. Considering the fact that the Pakistan was the part that fell to invaders repeatedly.
 
I guess Pakistan will just have to make whopping increases to the transit fees (to be paid in cash up front) for food, fuel and supplies for the U.S. forces in Afghanistan that go via Pakistan. Oh well ....

Then US will just use the Central Asian route. Thing is US has the money to do so.Pakistan doesnt have the economic,diplomatic or military might of the US.
 
So you supported the Northern Alliance when they were fighting to remove the Pakistani puppets of Taliban?

No Pakistan supported all resistance inc them against Soviets but in a civil war I wouldnt support either side.



I cant recall them asking Pakistan to interfere in their sovereign territory either.

The Afghan resistance did ask for Pakistani help.


Yea i have read history. How Afghans changed from Hindu Majority under Hindu kings like the Mauryas to Buddhist under the Kushans to again Hindus under the Kabul Shahis and then Muslim under the invading muslim armies. They just become what the foreigners are.

Resistance is when you retain what you were when you were invaded till the time you throw out the invaders. Thats something you will not understand. Considering the fact that the Pakistan was the part that fell to invaders repeatedly.

Modern history, we can go back 10,000 years if you want and everyone will be different.

Indians will never understand the honour of defending your land against foreign invaders. Indians in history have simply bowed down in front of them.
 
Indian think Pakistani will be upset at hearing this new, rather majority of Pakistani are delighted.

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FYI

America is intensely negotiating with the Taliban in Qatar. You know what there negotiating PEACE.

Pakistan is acting as an intermediaory.

I suggest you read about Kissenger & foreign policy.
 
No Pakistan supported all resistance inc them against Soviets but in a civil war I wouldnt support either side.

Pakistan supported the Taliban.A worldwide proscribed terror group.



The Afghan resistance did ask for Pakistani help.

Who is this resistance?How did Pakistan decide that they are the legitimate representatives of Afghans?Is Pakistan a world wide judging authority that decides who should be representative of a country?



Modern history, we can go back 10,000 years if you want and everyone will be different.

You mean losing the Anglo Afghan war and losing all the territories south of the Durand Line? Afghans just change with what their rulers do.Thats all.

Go read pre islamic history of Afghanistan.


Indians will never understand the honour of defending your land against foreign invaders. Indians in history have simply bowed down in front of them.

Yet majority of Indians still follow the culture and religion of their ancestors for 1000s of years. Same cannot be said about Pakistanis though,they kept getting defeated by invaders,from Alexander to the Muslim invaders,present day Pakistani territories fell to all of them. And since then Pakistan has lost Bangladesh. Its laughable you talk of the honour of defending. Go learn some history. Learn who lost,bowed and became one with the invaders and who resisted. Propoganda stories wont help you. You are only making a mockery out of yourself.
 
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Pakistan supported the Taliban.A worldwide proscribed terror group.





Who is this resistance?How did Pakistan decide that they are the legitimate representatives of Afghans?Is Pakistan a world wide judging authority that decides who should be representative of a country?





You mean losing the Anglo Afghan war and losing all the territories south of the Durand Line? Afghans just change with what their rulers do.Thats all.

Go read pre islamic history of Afghanistan.




Yet majority of Indians still follow the culture and religion of their ancestors for 1000s of years. Same cannot be said about Pakistanis though,they kept getting defeated by invaders,from Alexander to the Muslim invaders,present day Pakistani territories fell to all of them. And since then Pakistan has lost Bangladesh. Its laughable you talk of the honour of defending. Go learn some history. Learn who lost,bowed and became one with the invaders and who resisted. Propoganda stories wont help you. You are only making a mockery out of yourself.
Pakistan has to help Afghanistan because the Soviet’s did not invade Afghanistan for Afghanistan. Their next target was us. They wanted access to a warm water port..

It was also in our national interest to help us and of course the Americans wanted to stop them as well. So let’s not make this into anything other than that!
 
again, an indian try to divert the topic .
we dont need thre CSF or Defence Aid.period.

no one is dying to negotiate with US. OTOH, US knws how many soldiers will die if we just stop thre supplies for few months.
US will take central asian route, thn why they didnt take it yet ? i think you know more thn pentagon. LOL
but they are still paying us $150mn. what the hell... :)))

so thre are no answers what US gt by "closing the tap" ?
again, the answer is : ZERO
 
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Pain in the short term will lead to long term gain. If you want to be a truly developed and independent nation it is something we need to get through and will, insha Allah. Imran Khan has long been saying how he would ditch American help when he came in to power. Pak has to get back the billion's of looted wealth abroad more then anything else. No pain, no gain.
 
again, an indian try to divert the topic .
we dont need thre CSF or Defence Aid.period.

no one is dying to negotiate with US. OTOH, US knws how many soldiers will die if we just stop thre supplies for few months.
US will take central asian route, thn why they didnt take it yet ? i think you know more thn pentagon. LOL
but they are still paying us $150mn. what the hell... :)))

so thre are no answers what US gt by "closing the tap" ?
again, the answer is : ZERO

They saved money which was going waste.
 
I hope China take this as an opportunity and instead start their own aid so that Pakistani economy is no longer reliant on American khairat. About time Trump learned his lesson.
 
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Pakistan has to help Afghanistan because the Soviet’s did not invade Afghanistan for Afghanistan. Their next target was us. They wanted access to a warm water port..

It was also in our national interest to help us and of course the Americans wanted to stop them as well. So let’s not make this into anything other than that!

Do you even know how many warm water ports Russians have access to? Any idea? Google it please.

This warm water port propoganda was spread to justify the leaders of Pakistan selling themselves to the US.
 
again, an indian try to divert the topic .
we dont need thre CSF or Defence Aid.period.

no one is dying to negotiate with US. OTOH, US knws how many soldiers will die if we just stop thre supplies for few months.
US will take central asian route, thn why they didnt take it yet ? i think you know more thn pentagon. LOL
but they are still paying us $150mn. what the hell... :)))

so thre are no answers what US gt by "closing the tap" ?
again, the answer is : ZERO

Why dont you stop their supplies?

US sanctions will kill whatever is left of Pakistani economy. And before you say China, well China,Russia,India together are struggling to prop up the Iranians in face of US sanctions. Guess what? The Iranians have oil.

US did take the Central Asian route for 9 months.

$150mn is the cap. They are not paying it. Its the max they will pay if you ask.

Pakistani Rupee has depriciated.Your economy is in doldrums.You are looking for a bailout. Well taps turned off you see.
 
I hope China take this as an opportunity and instead start their own aid so that Pakistani economy is no longer reliant on American khairat. About time Trump learned his lesson.

Surely you should be hoping that Pakistan becomes self sufficient and doesn’t require aid full stop - whether it’s America, China or Saudi Arabia you go running to aid is aid and it always comes with strings.
 
Surely you should be hoping that Pakistan becomes self sufficient and doesn’t require aid full stop - whether it’s America, China or Saudi Arabia you go running to aid is aid and it always comes with strings.

That's became difficult after China poured in billions of dollars. At-least with US it was mainly defence but China investing hugely in Civilian infrastructure.
 
Then US will just use the Central Asian route. Thing is US has the money to do so.Pakistan doesnt have the economic,diplomatic or military might of the US.
True. Of course they can. By the way, have you looked at a map recently? I suggest you do. Not exactly a simple and straightforward land-route is it if one wishes to completely avoid Pakistan, Iran, and perhaps also Russia. And don't forget to factor in the effects of the weather on roads, bridges and mountain passes considering the conditions in mid-winter in Central Asia.
 
I support anyone who is an Afghan and is fighting to remove occupiers of their lands and those who support them such as the Indians.

I cant recall the Afghan people inviting in Nato or any evidence to suggest the majority want them in their lands now.

Joshila bhai read some history, Afghans are not like Indians who let foreigners enter and rule them, they have a history of resistance.

Oh please. Everyone has ruled over afghan.

That country cant even gather an army.
Its a terrorist state nothing else
 
Btw how is this economically good?

Our aid has been cut and you guys seriously think this is good?

This is terrible and pakistan needs to be concerned.

Most sections of our BOP is in negative even after devaluation of curreny
 
Btw how is this economically good?

Our aid has been cut and you guys seriously think this is good?

This is terrible and pakistan needs to be concerned.

Most sections of our BOP is in negative even after devaluation of curreny

I guess people think/hope China will help every time.
 
Pakistan supported the Taliban.A worldwide proscribed terror group.

They still do and will for a long time to come. The US has been having talks with the resistance. Again, try to think for yourself, your world isnt definded by others.





Who is this resistance?How did Pakistan decide that they are the legitimate representatives of Afghans?Is Pakistan a world wide judging authority that decides who should be representative of a country?

lol. Anyone who resists outside forces occupying their nation is part of the resistance. A schoolboy would know this.





You mean losing the Anglo Afghan war and losing all the territories south of the Durand Line? Afghans just change with what their rulers do.Thats all.

Go read pre islamic history of Afghanistan.

You want to discuss Afghanistan in caveman era? Afghanistan has never been conquered and ruled over as the Indians have many times by foriegners.




Yet majority of Indians still follow the culture and religion of their ancestors for 1000s of years. Same cannot be said about Pakistanis though,they kept getting defeated by invaders,from Alexander to the Muslim invaders,present day Pakistani territories fell to all of them. And since then Pakistan has lost Bangladesh. Its laughable you talk of the honour of defending. Go learn some history. Learn who lost,bowed and became one with the invaders and who resisted. Propoganda stories wont help you. You are only making a mockery out of yourself.

Pakistan didn't exist at the time of Alexander the Great. What kind of history do they teach in BJP camps? India has been torn apart time after time, two whole Muslims nations have been created . Hindus have been ruled by Muslims and Chrisitians for the last thousand years. Hindu's have only been in control for since the British allowed them to create modern India.
 
Oh please. Everyone has ruled over afghan.

That country cant even gather an army.
Its a terrorist state nothing else

Who has ruled Southern Afghanistan in modern history?

The same people in the west who you read and accept, also feel Pakistan is a terror state. You live in Pakistan even though you think youre a liberal englighted being.
 
Pakistan supported the Taliban.A worldwide proscribed terror group.





Who is this resistance?How did Pakistan decide that they are the legitimate representatives of Afghans?Is Pakistan a world wide judging authority that decides who should be representative of a country?





You mean losing the Anglo Afghan war and losing all the territories south of the Durand Line? Afghans just change with what their rulers do.Thats all.

Go read pre islamic history of Afghanistan.




Yet majority of Indians still follow the culture and religion of their ancestors for 1000s of years. Same cannot be said about Pakistanis though,they kept getting defeated by invaders,from Alexander to the Muslim invaders,present day Pakistani territories fell to all of them. And since then Pakistan has lost Bangladesh. Its laughable you talk of the honour of defending. Go learn some history. Learn who lost,bowed and became one with the invaders and who resisted. Propoganda stories wont help you. You are only making a mockery out of yourself.

There was no Pakistan during Alexander's invasion, I would suggest you read some history yourself.
 
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Why dont you stop their supplies?

US sanctions will kill whatever is left of Pakistani economy. And before you say China, well China,Russia,India together are struggling to prop up the Iranians in face of US sanctions. Guess what? The Iranians have oil.

US did take the Central Asian route for 9 months.

$150mn is the cap. They are not paying it. Its the max they will pay if you ask.

Pakistani Rupee has depriciated.Your economy is in doldrums.You are looking for a bailout. Well taps turned off you see.

our economy is our problem, not yours. ok ?

they can close the tap or open it, we didnt give jack back thn, we wont give jack now. but in the end they will get. ZERO :))


LeT and Haqqanis. LOL @ Indians .. :)))
 
our economy is our problem, not yours. ok ?

they can close the tap or open it, we didnt give jack back thn, we wont give jack now. but in the end they will get. ZERO :))


LeT and Haqqanis. LOL @ Indians .. :)))

Right now the zero is Pakistani economy which is looking at another bailout from IMF. Whats that word, Kashkol phir se aa gaaye. :)))
 
Right now the zero is Pakistani economy which is looking at another bailout from IMF. Whats that word, Kashkol phir se aa gaaye. :)))

none of your business. :))

but guess what, what was your business/demands..
LeT.
and the results are ZERO. Shunya. NATA. ZILCH.. :)))
 
They still do and will for a long time to come. The US has been having talks with the resistance. Again, try to think for yourself, your world isnt definded by others.

Yes. You must be one of the few people around the world who is proud of supporting terror groups. Is it legal to support Taliban in UK?


lol. Anyone who resists outside forces occupying their nation is part of the resistance. A schoolboy would know this.

That has to be decided by the people of Afghanistan and not Pakistan.


You want to discuss Afghanistan in caveman era? Afghanistan has never been conquered and ruled over as the Indians have many times by foriegners.


Caveman era? Lol. Afghans just follow whoever conquers them. Hindus,Buddhists,Muslims,Sikhs,British have all ruled Afghsnistan or some part of it. Read history and not propoganda.


Pakistan didn't exist at the time of Alexander the Great. What kind of history do they teach in BJP camps? India has been torn apart time after time, two whole Muslims nations have been created . Hindus have been ruled by Muslims and Chrisitians for the last thousand years. Hindu's have only been in control for since the British allowed them to create modern India.

The geographical region still existed and they fell regularly to invaders. So much so that they lost they ultimately took the identity of the invaders.

Dont know what they teach in BJP camps but its far more useful than whats taught in Pakistan's terror camps.

Which person from present day Pakistan ruled over what is now India? The same invaders who ruled over present day India ruled over Present day Pakistan.

You seem to be taking pride in being ruled over by those invaders, both muslims and christian.

Do they not teach this in Pakistani propoganda schools?

As i said, read history and not propoganda.
 
Yes. You must be one of the few people around the world who is proud of supporting terror groups. Is it legal to support Taliban in UK?




That has to be decided by the people of Afghanistan and not Pakistan.





Caveman era? Lol. Afghans just follow whoever conquers them. Hindus,Buddhists,Muslims,Sikhs,British have all ruled Afghsnistan or some part of it. Read history and not propoganda.




The geographical region still existed and they fell regularly to invaders. So much so that they lost they ultimately took the identity of the invaders.

Dont know what they teach in BJP camps but its far more useful than whats taught in Pakistan's terror camps.

Which person from present day Pakistan ruled over what is now India? The same invaders who ruled over present day India ruled over Present day Pakistan.

You seem to be taking pride in being ruled over by those invaders, both muslims and christian.

Do they not teach this in Pakistani propoganda schools?

As i said, read history and not propoganda.

I should remind you that those who you refer to as "conquered" were in fact Hindus, and again I have to remind you, there was no Pakistan then.

Not that there is anything wrong with adopting a better philosophy, people all over the world do it, Brits, Americans, Pakistanis and Indians too. You should come to UK and see how quickly Indians drop their Hindu culture and gladly take on British, and that is because they prefer it. No one forces them at gunpoint.
 
so according to an indian feeloosfer,
whatever indians do iits thre business, thre country, thre rule, blah blah ..
but whatever pakistan dos its also indian business. :)))
 
so according to an indian feeloosfer,
whatever indians do iits thre business, thre country, thre rule, blah blah ..
but whatever pakistan dos its also indian business. :)))

When you business starts affecting us its our business.

If only Pakistan had any feelasafer.

So where is the bailout coming from?
 
Countless times Imran has said in his interviews that he would tell the Americans that we don't want their aid and in return be independent of America's commands. I agree with him.

Can't wait to see how things develop when he becomes the PM.

For instance in this video
https://youtu.be/dyneMUpxuGM

Time will tell if he can remain firm on his believes.
 
US should stop all aid, and we should help them save their face in Afghanistan so the madness stops and Talibans are integrated back into the Afghan civil society (as the Eid ceasefire demonstrated, as opposed to NATO, they're indeed sons of the soil.)

Win-win for all.
 
Yet majority of Indians still follow the culture and religion of their ancestors for 1000s of years. Same cannot be said about Pakistanis though,they kept getting defeated by invaders,from Alexander to the Muslim invaders,present day Pakistani territories fell to all of them. And since then Pakistan has lost Bangladesh. Its laughable you talk of the honour of defending. Go learn some history. Learn who lost,bowed and became one with the invaders and who resisted. Propoganda stories wont help you. You are only making a mockery out of yourself.
Considering that never mind Pakistan or Afghanistan existing as nation states, even Islam didn't exist when Alexander was rampaging through the north-western portions of the sub-continent (ie the region that is now Afghanistan and Pakistan), it was the Hindus (and whoever else lived in these lands at the time) that Alexander was going around conquering.

Many outsiders have come and conquered Hindu lands over the centuries. Have the Hindus ever done the same by venturing outside their own lands and returning the favour to these outsiders by conquering their lands?

Just asking.
 
Considering that never mind Pakistan or Afghanistan existing as nation states, even Islam didn't exist when Alexander was rampaging through the north-western portions of the sub-continent (ie the region that is now Afghanistan and Pakistan), it was the Hindus (and whoever else lived in these lands at the time) that Alexander was going around conquering.

Many outsiders have come and conquered Hindu lands over the centuries. Have the Hindus ever done the same by venturing outside their own lands and returning the favour to these outsiders by conquering their lands?

Just asking.

Why dont you look up the maps of the Mauryan and Chola empires? May be even the Buddhist empire of Emperor Kanishka.

The hindus who lived in what is now pakistan got conquered by muslim invaders and a large number of people residing there got converted to muslims. So changing the religion makes them the conqueror? Is this your logic?

The same is true for Afghanistan.
 
The hindus who lived in what is now pakistan got conquered by muslim invaders and a large number of people residing there got converted to muslims. So changing the religion makes them the conqueror? Is this your logic?

The same is true for Afghanistan.
So you think that the Muslim invaders who conquered vast swathes of the Indian sub-Continent, including most (albeit not all) of the regions of what is now India, suddenly melted into thin air after 'converting large numbers of Hindus to Islam'?

Whilst it's probably the case that many, of not most, Pakistanis will have some ancestral blood of Hindu converts, you're not seriously suggesting that most Pakistanis are simply the direct descendants of solely Hindu converts without there being any ancestral links to the aforementioned Muslim invaders?

One wonders whether much of the deep seated Indian/Hindu enmity (by the likes of RSS and BJP supporters) towards Pakistanis stems directly from resentment of their ancestors being conquered and ruled by the ancestors of the Pakistanis. And oh yes, that and the looks that go with it. :))
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">$33 billion and 15 years later, the US concludes Pakistan is undermining efforts to defeat the insurgency in Afghanistan, cancels $300 million in aid: <a href="https://t.co/BqmxtLQsZz">https://t.co/BqmxtLQsZz</a></p>— Ahmad Shuja (@AhmadShuja) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmadShuja/status/1035985386894442497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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