US Elections 2024: Republican debate: Who were the winners and losers?

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There were some who thought it would be boring without Donald Trump - the ultimate showman - but that was decidedly not the case. The former president may have been the life of the party during primary debates back in 2016, but the eight rivals who travelled to Wisconsin proved they could bring some excitement without his help.

Some candidates stood out from the pack, however - and some seemed to languish on the side-lines.

Here's a rundown of the winners and losers.

Winner:
Vivek Ramaswamy: The man who never ran for public office - and didn't even vote for a president from 2004 to 2020 - simply dominated this Republican debate.

With a broad smile and a quick tongue, he frequently seemed to be the only candidate on the stage who was enjoying himself. That may partly be because this political novice has exceeded expectations, and is essentially playing with house money while he takes centre stage.

He easily fended off swipes from his fellow candidates, suggesting that Mr Christie was auditioning for a show on left-leaning news channel MSNBC and that Ms Haley was angling for spots on the board of defence contractors with her positions on Ukraine.

"I'm the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for," he said during a discussion of climate change - prompting cries of outrage from his rivals.

Time and time again, Mr Ramaswamy positioned himself as the outsider against a bunch of political establishment insiders. Many of his views - calling on Ukraine to cede territory to Russia, using military force to secure the US-Mexico border, and banning US companies from doing business with China - are well outside the political mainstream even within the Republican Party. But as Mr Trump demonstrated in 2016, even outlandish, impractical policy proposals can be effective in generating attention.

Mr Ramaswamy may not have the political fuel to challenge Mr Trump for the nomination, and he may not even want to, but the evening's debate ensures that he's going to continue to be a factor in this race in the months ahead.

Mike Pence: The veteran politician, who has served as a congressman, a governor and a vice-president, has a bit of fight left in him.

Although his presidential campaign has been sputtering - hated by Trump supporters and distrusted by Trump critics - his debate-stage experience served him well on Wednesday night.

He went on the attack early, swiping at Mr Ramaswamy's inexperience, saying, "Now is not the time for on-the-job training".

He offered a passionate, religion-based call for nationwide abortion limits. That likely won't play well in next year's general election. But it could help him win over evangelical Republicans, who can tilt the balance in states like Iowa and South Carolina, which play an outsized role in deciding the party nominee.

During the second-half of the debate, when discussion of Mr Trump came up, Mr Pence had the last word, saying he put the Constitution first on January 6, 2021 when he refused to throw out the election results at Mr Trump's behest. Several of his rivals even spoke out in his favour.

The fundamental challenges to Mr Pence's campaign remain, but for at least one night he showed why he was once considered by many conservative Republicans to be presidential material.

Nikki Haley: The former US ambassador to the UN has made a habit of surprising those who underestimate her. She has never lost a race for office, even when she was challenging more established Republican candidates for the South Carolina governorship.

On Wednesday night, she stood out by offering sharp criticism early of both Mr Trump and the Republican Party as a whole.

"Republicans did this to you too," she said when describing the massive US budget deficit. "They need to stop the spending, stop the borrowing."

When the topic turned to the former president, she said Mr Trump was the "most disliked politician in America" - and warned the Republican Party will suffer because of it in the general election.

She also showed will for the fight. She scrapped with Mr Ramaswamy on continuing US aid to Ukraine, which she supports. And she clashed with Mr Pence on abortion, calling his demands for a national abortion ban unrealistic and politically damaging.

Even if she can't pull ahead in the pack this time around, her debate performance could position the 51-year-old for future presidential bids in election years not dominated by a former president.

MIDDLE OF THE PACK
Tim Scott and Chris Christie: Mr Christie did exactly what many expected him to. He took swipes at Mr Trump, had some choice lines targeting Mr Ramaswamy, and was generally feisty and combative.

He was also roundly booed when he was introduced, when he criticised Mr Trump, and when he took big swings at Mr Ramaswamy.

His choicest line came when he said the political neophyte "sounds like ChatGPT" - but that particular twist did nothing to ingratiate him with the crowd.

As for Tim Scott, his nice-guy attitude meant he frequently stayed above the fray during the most heated debate moments. That won't help him win over many voters, but it could burnish his credentials if he wants to be Mr Trump's vice-presidential pick.

LOSERS
Ron DeSantis: At the beginning of the year, the race for the Republican nomination seemed like it would be a two-man contest between Mr DeSantis and Mr Trump. Since then, the Florida governor has sagged in the polls.

If the rest of the Republican pack hasn't caught up to him yet, it may very well have him after this debate.

It wasn't a terrible performance - he had his moments, particularly when he spoke about his record of military service and his calls for more aggressive government policies to deal with the opioid epidemic.

He was on the side-lines for all the key moments of the debate, however. Mr Ramaswamy ran circles around him. Other candidates, like Mr Pence and Ms Haley, elbowed him out of the way on issues like abortion and US aid to Ukraine. He seemed on uneven footing when the topic turned to Mr Trump and his recent indictments.

This was not the kind of performance needed to close the gap with Mr Trump. The man who was once billed as the future of the Republican Party was simply a non-factor.

Asa Hutchinson and Doug Burgum: Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson was the last candidate to qualify for the Milwaukee debate. North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum paid his way onto the stage with a gimmick - offering enough people $20 gift cards if they donated $1 to his campaign.

Both candidates desperately needed to show that they deserved to be there, and both were mostly afterthoughts.

Mr Hutchinson's criticisms of Mr Trump seemed weak sauce compared to Mr Christie's more pointed attacks. And Mr Burgum's awe-shucks small-state conservatism never really stood out.

The qualification standards become more rigorous for next month's primary debate in California, and neither candidate did enough on Wednesday night to build the kind of support they will need to make another appearances on the debate stage likely.


BBC
 
It looks like Vivek Ramaswamy is losing steam in today's Republican debate imo. There are still 15-30 mins left, so let's see if he can garner some momentum. Nikki Haley is looking strong today
 
Second Republican debate: The biggest moments from debate stage
There was a whiff of desperation in the air at the second Republican debate in Los Angeles on Wednesday night as Donald Trump skipped the event once again.

The seven candidates on stage all trail Mr Trump by a significant margin in the race for the party's nomination, and knew they had to do something to change the dynamic.

During a chaotic two-hour debate, they often tried to do it at once, talking over each other, the moderators, and sometimes themselves.

"Thank you for talking while I'm interrupting," Vivek Ramaswamy told Tim Scott snidely in what was a telling Freudian slip.
The Florida governor came out of the gate early with an attack that indicates he may be rethinking his refusal to tackle the former president head-on.

That strategy hinged on Mr DeSantis being an attractive alternative for 2020 Trump voters. But Mr Trump's base has been sticking with him. So Mr DeSantis may have decided he has to take the former president down if he wants any hope of catching him - or even closing the gap - in the polls before voting starts in January.
The problem for Mr DeSantis, of course, is that it's a lot harder to land blows on a candidate who is more than a thousand miles away.

The governor's digs at Mr Trump being "missing in action" did earn some praise from an unlikely fan: President Joe Biden. In a post on Thursday, the president's account on X, formerly known as Twitter, shared a clip of Mr DeSantis criticising Mr Trump's absence, adding: "That's right."

The Florida governor was steady throughout the debate, once again plugging his state record in an implicit contrast with Mr Trump. "I'm the only one up here who has been in the big fights and delivered the big victories for the people of Florida," he said.

Implicit contrasts aren't doing it so far, however. We'll see if a direct attack has more success.

Unlike Mr DeSantis, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has made attacking Donald Trump the defining feature of his presidential campaign. This time he branded his nemesis "Donald Duck" as a way of mocking his decision to sit out another debate.

But the swipe landed flat with the audience.

What's more, the chaotic nature of this debate - with candidates talking over each other for extended stretches - brought them all down a peg. The backyard brawl nature of the proceedings chewed up time and may have turned off viewers.

Polls suggest Mr Trump paid no political price for his decision to ignore these debates. In fact, he appears to have expanded his lead over rivals. Nothing that happened on Wednesday night is likely to change that dynamic - and Mr Trump is reportedly planning to skip the third debate in Miami.

BBC
 
The way it's going, I think it will be a Trump-Haley Republican ticket. She gave quite a solid performance imo
 
Trump is too old IMO. It’s a race green Ron, Nikki and Vivek

I prefer a new perspective so will vote for Vivek if he wins the Primaries..
 
I listened five min on radio when they were talking about TikTok, man seemed like a kindergarten class with everyone cutting and talking over each other, never seen such bickering and shouting, was embarrassing for sure, that one of these could be president.
 
Trump is a genius! He refuses to participate in the 2024 Presidential debate, makes a mockery of the candidates in the process, and lead every opinion poll!
 
Another election cycle, another presidential "debate" that looks more like a reality TV show with everyone insulting each other, shouting over each other and desperately trying to shove in some clumsy one-liners. :yawn
 
Vivek is not even aiming to defeat Trump, he clearly wants to be the VP.

Liked Haley yest though - she took down dork spectacularly.
 
Trump is a genius! He refuses to participate in the 2024 Presidential debate, makes a mockery of the candidates in the process, and lead every opinion poll!
Trump is a true genius, despite all the flaws, he has done more for middle east peace than any other us president
 
Five Republican presidential candidates took the stage in Miami on Wednesday night for the third debate of the 2024 GOP primary cycle, with pressure mounting and time running out to shake up the race.

But once again, they were denied a chance to fire at their biggest rival, former President Donald Trump, whose decision to skip the primary debates has not damaged his commanding lead in the polls.

The two-hour debate, hosted by NBC News, kicked off at 8 p.m. ET at the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts of Miami-Dade County. Salem Radio Network and the Republican Jewish Coalition were selected as partners by the Republican National Committee.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott all took part.

Donald Trump plans on skipping the next, fourth debate of Republican presidential nomination contenders next month in Alabama, his senior adviser Chris LaCivita said.

Trump has missed all three GOP debates so far, and has not remotely suffered in the polls for doing so.

He leads all other candidates in the 2024 nomination contest by a very wide margin.

LaCivita had one caveat to Trump’s plan, saying that the former president will not be at the debate “until he is.”

 
Five Republican presidential candidates took the stage in Miami on Wednesday night for the third debate of the 2024 GOP primary cycle, with pressure mounting and time running out to shake up the race.

But once again, they were denied a chance to fire at their biggest rival, former President Donald Trump, whose decision to skip the primary debates has not damaged his commanding lead in the polls.

The two-hour debate, hosted by NBC News, kicked off at 8 p.m. ET at the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts of Miami-Dade County. Salem Radio Network and the Republican Jewish Coalition were selected as partners by the Republican National Committee.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott all took part.

Donald Trump plans on skipping the next, fourth debate of Republican presidential nomination contenders next month in Alabama, his senior adviser Chris LaCivita said.

Trump has missed all three GOP debates so far, and has not remotely suffered in the polls for doing so.

He leads all other candidates in the 2024 nomination contest by a very wide margin.

LaCivita had one caveat to Trump’s plan, saying that the former president will not be at the debate “until he is.”

Vivek is really annoying, I can't see him appealing to voters
 
The ex-husband of Republican politician Lauren Boebert has been arrested, days after an apparent a row with her in a restaurant.

Jayson Boebert was arrested in Colorado on charges including misdemeanour assault and criminal mischief.

Police had been investigating the apparent altercation at Silt restaurant on Saturday but have not said whether the arrest is connected.

Lauren and Jayson Boebert were divorced last year.

Jail records seen by the BBC show Mr Boebert was arrested and subsequently released.


He had been the one who called police following the restaurant incident and claimed he was a victim of domestic violence during the altercation, according to CBS News, the BBC's partner in the US.

Mr Boebert had told the Denver Post he had no intention of pressing charges, and that he and his ex-wife "were working through a difficult conversation".

Following news that police were investigating the incident earlier this week, Ms Boebert said: "I didn't punch Jayson in the face and no-one was arrested."

In her statement released on Sunday prior to Mr Boebert's arrest, she added that she was consulting a lawyer about false claims being made against her.

In September, Ms Boebert was escorted out of a theatre in Denver during a performance of the musical Beetlejuice, after being accused of disruptive behaviour.

When apologising for that incident she referred to her "difficult divorce" as a reason for her conduct.

"I plead guilty to laughing and singing too loud!," Ms Boebert added on X, formerly Twitter, at the time.

She is currently the Republican representative for Colorado's 3rd Congressional District, so she sits in the lower chamber of Congress, the House of Representatives.

Recently she announced she will run in 2024 in a different Colorado district.

In her statement on Sunday she said the alleged restaurant incident was "another reason I'm moving".

Source: BBC

 
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has announced he is suspending his presidential campaign.

The Republican, who has run as a harsh critic of Donald Trump, lagged in opinion polls from the outset.

Mr Christie had faced pressure to drop out as critics of frontrunner Mr Trump scramble to unify the party behind a viable alternative to the ex-president.

This was Mr Christie's second unsuccessful White House campaign. He lost in 2016 to Mr Trump.

Mr Christie announced that he was suspending his campaign at a town hall event in the US state of New Hampshire on Wednesday afternoon.

In his opening remarks he took a swipe at Mr Trump, accusing him of "putting himself before the people of this country".


 

The Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington, DC was reportedly on lockdown with a Hazmat team on the scene, according to reports​


The Republican National Committee HQ in Washington, DC was reportedly under lockdown with hazmat teams on site.

Unconfirmed reports on social media suggested the building would be locked down until further notice.


Another conspiracy against Donald Trump or something else?
 

Capitol Police investigating vials of blood sent to RNC headquarters in DC​


U.S. Capitol Police are investigating a suspicious package containing two vials of blood that was sent to the Republican National Committee headquarters and caused the building's evacuation on Wednesday morning.

In a statement sent to USA Today, the police confirmed they responded at about 7:45 a.m, adding: “The package was just cleared by our Hazardous Incident Response Division. It contained two vials of blood. The source of the package and its contents will be further investigated."

Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., told his fellow House Republicans during a closed-door meeting in the U.S. Capitol that the blood vials were sent to the RNC among "other stuff," said Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla. She added that Hudson did not specify what else was found during the incident.

A spokesperson for the Republican National Committee did not respond to a request for comment.

 
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