US Senate warns Russia of sanctions if S-400 sold to any foreign nations

[Lonewarrior]

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - A group of US lawmakers led by Senator Bob Menendez told the State Department in a letter that any sale of Russian S-400 air defense system should lead to new punitive measures as stipulated in the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

The lawmakers also requested that the State Department provide detailed analysis on the current status of Russian S-400 talks with China, Turkey, India, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and any other country.

https://sputniknews.com/us/201803171062621903-usa-russia-s400-foreign-nation/


lol what a joke ..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yanks are the biggest hypocrites, they sell arms all around the world but Russia cant?

I watched this interview, some silly bimbo was schooled by Putin. He made some great points.

 

[DW44]

Yanks are the biggest hypocrites, they sell arms all around the world but Russia cant?

I watched this interview, some silly bimbo was schooled by Putin. He made some great points.

Russia can sell them to whoever they want if they're willing to take the sanctions, just like the Americans are well within their rights to sanction any state that they think is acting against their interests and third parties are free to pick whichever side they wish to support.

Words like 'hypocrisy' and 'morals' are meaningless in the machiavellian world of international relations where might is very much right. Invoking such terms simply betrays a lack of understanding of how things work at that level.

There's a reason India and Pakistan get treated differently on the issue of sponsoring terrorism and there is nothing wrong with it, that's just how the world has always worked. All states work dispassionately towards securing their interests with zero regards for morality or logical consistency. The only difference is that stronger states can do so like a bull in a china shop while weaker one's have to maneuver a minefield, not because they're more moral but because they don't have the means to get away with what stronger states would get away with.

 

[Varun]

Isn't India buying this system? It's called 'Triumf' I believe.

 

[Varun]

Isn't India buying this system? It's called 'Triumf' I believe.

Just checked - the deal is indeed in the works.

Hey [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - want to change your tune?

Yanks are the biggest hypocrites, they sell arms all around the world but Russia cant?

Sanctions on Russia pronto!

 

[Pakpak]

Just checked - the deal is indeed in the works.

Hey [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - want to change your tune?



Sanctions on Russia pronto!

Its okay, criticising the West constantly, pouring dung over atheists all day by saying without religion they'd have no morals yet keep living in the West not only among atheists but in countries which have killed a large amount of Muslims isn't hypocrisy for KKWC's lot but calling everyone is.

Poor chap, back he goes on my ignore list.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Just checked - the deal is indeed in the works.

India-Russia Missile Air Defense Deal Still Delayed

https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/india-russia-missile-air-defense-deal-still-delayed/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Isn't India buying this system? It's called 'Triumf' I believe.

Yes 5 regiments havee been ordered. That means 10 battalions.

Each battalion has its own radar,command post 8 launchers and 32 missiles. The longest range missile has a range of 400km. So even if the system is 100km inside India it can track and engage any target thats upto 300km from our borders.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India-Russia Missile Air Defense Deal Still Delayed

https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/india-russia-missile-air-defense-deal-still-delayed/

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...inalised-by-march-31/article23162879.ece/amp/

 

[Varun]

India-Russia Missile Air Defense Deal Still Delayed

https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/india-russia-missile-air-defense-deal-still-delayed/

Sounds par for the course for our defence 'procurement'. A look at the Rafale saga will confirm this - though we finally get the first ones next year. Meanwhile a Sheikh in Qatar woke up, decided he wanted a few and signed, sealed and delivered his own while our netas and babus were still plodding along.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yanks are the biggest hypocrites, they sell arms all around the world but Russia cant?

I watched this interview, some silly bimbo was schooled by Putin. He made some great points.

He destroyed her in this video:

[utube]12s_n6F2ZEQ[/utube]

 

[KingKhanWC]

Just checked - the deal is indeed in the works.

Hey [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - want to change your tune?



Sanctions on Russia pronto!

Russia has been selling arms to India which I'm aware of. What's your point?

Its okay, criticising the West constantly, pouring dung over atheists all day by saying without religion they'd have no morals yet keep living in the West not only among atheists but in countries which have killed a large amount of Muslims isn't hypocrisy for KKWC's lot but calling everyone is.

Poor chap, back he goes on my ignore list.

lol. Have you heard of the opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn? He also critices the polices. Here is some breaking news for you...it's ok to do so.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India and Russia are reportedly set to sign the $5 billion deal for the S-400 surface-to-air defence missile system this week, during the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to New Delhi.<a href="https://t.co/PnXwCjUFHn">https://t.co/PnXwCjUFHn</a></p>— TIMES NOW (@TimesNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1047714178457202688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ahead of $5 billion India-Russia missile deal, US warns of sanctions <a href="https://t.co/RHrPzydFJZ">https://t.co/RHrPzydFJZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/LjEF5Dyilc">pic.twitter.com/LjEF5Dyilc</a></p>— NDTV (@ndtv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1047664386628706304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

India will continue to buy russian equipment. If US sanctions then US can forget about any defence deals.

 

[Robert]

Yanks are the biggest hypocrites, they sell arms all around the world but Russia cant?

Russia can if they like. They will face sanctions if they do. Cold War Two is well under way.

 

[Romali_rotti]

India will continue to buy russian equipment. If US sanctions then US can forget about any defence deals.

There wont be any US sanctions its just smoke, Americans have already Okd all India Russia defence deals behind closed doors...

 

[the Great Khan]

The US will not put sanctions against India. It just wont happen. It goes against their strategic objectives.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Hope India joins the Russia-China bloc, the farther we are from USA/West the better for us.

 

[BlackShadow]

The US will not put sanctions against India. It just wont happen. It goes against their strategic objectives.

You never know with Trump.

Hope India joins the Russia-China bloc, the farther we are from USA/West the better for us.

What purpose would that serve? India's ties with Russia are strong already, and China will always be a major trade partner. However, we will continue to have a conflict of interest with China in the Indian ocean and in the Himalayas, so a strong alliance with US, Japan and Australia becomes important.

 

[Napa]

Russia can if they like. They will face sanctions if they do. Cold War Two is well under way.

The problem for the US in sanctioning Russia is that all feasible sanctions have already been implemented. Germany and other mainland West European nations are not going to stop buying Russian oil.

 

[Napa]

According to Forbes, US is very unlikely to sanction India. The common interests of the US and India are too strong.

Americans definitely view India as a country they do not want to lose. It is an important, trustworthy partner.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...ont-be-cowered-away-from-russia/#6418d65247f1

Trustworthiness has been earned over decades by trustworthy behavior, such as not providing nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea, Libya etc.

But India should not abandon Russia. Russia has been a good friend, and Indian should not abandon friend even if it costs them.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

India is also continuing to buy oil from Iran - glad they didn't bend over backwards to the Americans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India to buy 9 mln barrels of Iranian oil in Nov - industry source <a href="https://t.co/LuE9fUGgRV">https://t.co/LuE9fUGgRV</a></p>— Reuters Iran (@ReutersIran) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReutersIran/status/1048229901248155648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5 October 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[troodon]

India will do everything that favors them. Our foreign policy has been doing a wonder job of balancing our relations with both US and Russia. We buy military hardware from both nations. Both Russia and USA need India too.

 

[Robert]

The problem for the US in sanctioning Russia is that all feasible sanctions have already been implemented. Germany and other mainland West European nations are not going to stop buying Russian oil.

In time they will buy less and less as renewables become cheaper. Then Russia will have to look for other markets for oil.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Understated news of the day IMO India has shown enormous guts and has made a huge geopolitical statement by going ahead in buying S-400 from Russia much to the unhappiness of USA.

Goes to show India is no puppet of USA.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

guys you still dont get it do you, the US and Israel wants superiority against the arab, once other nations start to have these weapons they will begin reverse building them and sell them on.

In Iraq US totally destroyed them with airpower, had Iraq had these weapons it would have been very difficult as the radar tells you exactly where the weapons are.

its all about superiority, im glad they are finally selling these weapons.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Pakistan claiming that any BMD system is ineffective against their missiles (yet is still moaning about the s400 deal).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan concerned over Indian acquisition of S-400 missile system; says it would destabilize strategic stability; lead to arms race <a href="https://t.co/EYleyx9ECY">https://t.co/EYleyx9ECY</a></p>— Times of lsIamabad (@TimesofIslambad) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesofIslambad/status/1053523859473870848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moscow, Riyadh in talks on S-400 delivery date – Saudi envoy <a href="https://t.co/kBPeVYzy5e">https://t.co/kBPeVYzy5e</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/S400?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#S400</a> <a href="https://t.co/8b6aaYgzh1">pic.twitter.com/8b6aaYgzh1</a></p>— Sputnik (@SputnikInt) <a href="https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1059919603365744643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6 November 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russian S-400 missile defence purchase a done deal, Turkey's President Erdogan says, ignoring US warnings <a href="https://t.co/DaJ3MU5c4j">https://t.co/DaJ3MU5c4j</a> <a href="https://t.co/oI8ZQPJhdf">pic.twitter.com/oI8ZQPJhdf</a></p>— Al Jazeera News (@AJENews) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJENews/status/1103526213493108736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NATO is not doing enough for Turkey’s protection - Turkish defense minister <a href="https://t.co/LdH0KI4IRC">https://t.co/LdH0KI4IRC</a></p>— RT (@RT_com) <a href="https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1104014983711678469?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[zn426]

Maybe Pakistan should just get S-400 too. Unless China has released an equivalent?

 

[Pak Warrior]

Pakistan needs to secure S-400 asap, or the equivalent that will not result in sanctions. This is a very important bit of tech for our national defense

 

[Savak]

But its okay for the US to sell the THADD system to Israel. Sickening Hypocricy, Pakistan must leave no stone unturned for a show down with Israel one day

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan needs to secure S-400 asap, or the equivalent that will not result in sanctions. This is a very important bit of tech for our national defense

S-400 is pretty useless compared to THAAD. Now if you talk about S500 then we're talking about some serious business.

 

[Pak Warrior]

S-400 is pretty useless compared to THAAD. Now if you talk about S500 then we're talking about some serious business.

I thought this was latest, didnt know about others. Pakistan should get the best it can get. Thanks for the info bro

 

[captain.hansolo]

Sounds par for the course for our defence 'procurement'. A look at the Rafale saga will confirm this - though we finally get the first ones next year. Meanwhile a Sheikh in Qatar woke up, decided he wanted a few and signed, sealed and delivered his own while our netas and babus were still plodding along.

Yes that is called bureaucratic oversight, checks and balances and separation of powers. All inconveniences of democracy.

That same shiek in Qatar can wake up tomorrow and decide that your head needs to be separated from your shoulders, and he can just order it without a second thought.

 

[captain.hansolo]

But its okay for the US to sell the THADD system to Israel. Sickening Hypocricy, Pakistan must leave no stone unturned for a show down with Israel one day

Lol. There is absolutely no world scenario in which that will happen and if it were to happen, Israel would steamroll you fellas.

Outside of China, they are the single most powerful military industrial complex.

 

[Madplayer]

I thought this was latest, didnt know about others. Pakistan should get the best it can get. Thanks for the info bro

No worries.

 

[Madplayer]

Lol. There is absolutely no world scenario in which that will happen and if it were to happen, Israel would steamroll you fellas.

Outside of China, they are the single most powerful military industrial complex.

No it is over rated. Israeli weapons industry is glorified riot control stuff. In a full fledged war, it wont benefit them too much. USA is what protects it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No it is over rated. Israeli weapons industry is glorified riot control stuff. In a full fledged war, it wont benefit them too much. USA is what protects it.

Lol. Any idea how many wars they have fought and how many they won?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol. Any idea how many wars they have fought and how many they won?

India is no Israel.

Btw have your S400's been delivered? Waste of money dont you think against the PAF

 

[Madplayer]

Lol. Any idea how many wars they have fought and how many they won?

They are militarily, financially and diplomatically backed by the super power USA. What else do you need to win wars?

 

[Pakpak]

India is no Israel.

Btw have your S400's been delivered? Waste of money dont you think against the PAF

That's what needles a lot of Indians like him. Israel and US can go anywhere, bomb any place willy nilly but this fake super power can't seem to bully us despite spending 7 times more than us in defence and despite having a crazy numerical advantage. So the next best thing was to invent 'strikes'. Sadly for them they got too excited and sought to try it out in real this time which ended up badly for them.

IAF office also burned down to hide Modi's corruption, no wonder he got on well with Nawaz. Same corrupt tactics. There is still hope with good Indians like Varun and big_gamer but right now Joshila and his ilk will doom India. They don't need Pakistan to mess them up, they are doing a fine job by themselves. Bought out media houses by the BJP, RSS terrorists going about beating innocent Kashmiris, cow protection mobs lynching innocent Muslims, killers allowed to contest the coming elections...the list goes on and on. We fired a minister, who was very close friend to Imran Khan, for bashing Hindus. A move unthinkable for us even 4 years back. Contrast that to India right now. Give Joshila and his pals 5 more years, they will do more damage to India than we ever have or will

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's what needles a lot of Indians like him. Israel and US can go anywhere, bomb any place willy nilly but this fake super power can't seem to bully us despite spending 7 times more than us in defence and despite having a crazy numerical advantage. So the next best thing was to invent 'strikes'. Sadly for them they got too excited and sought to try it out in real this time which ended up badly for them.

IAF office also burned down to hide Modi's corruption, no wonder he got on well with Nawaz. Same corrupt tactics. There is still hope with good Indians like Varun and big_gamer but right now Joshila and his ilk will doom India. They don't need Pakistan to mess them up, they are doing a fine job by themselves. Bought out media houses by the BJP, RSS terrorists going about beating innocent Kashmiris, cow protection mobs lynching innocent Muslims, killers allowed to contest the coming elections...the list goes on and on. We fired a minister, who was very close friend to Imran Khan, for bashing Hindus. A move unthinkable for us even 4 years back. Contrast that to India right now. Give Joshila and his pals 5 more years, they will do more damage to India than we ever have or will

US and Israel do not care for brown Hindu's or Muslims. BJP and it's extremists somehow feel they are like brothers now to Israel and the US but those nations are merely using them to sell weapons and do their bidding if need be.

Im hoping the recent events have woken up the sensible Indians. They need to remove the BJP and look after their own people instead of looking in the mirror seeing a Tiger when they are kittens.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

why cant asian countries make a equivalent, surely they are bright enough?

Having s-400 missile defense in modern age is mandatory.

 

[Asim_khan]

Lol. Any idea how many wars they have fought and how many they won?

What happened against Hazbollah? Face it, it's all a mirage, the Arab armies they defeated were a disgrace. Pakistan would flatten them and send them back to Brooklyn and Eastern Europe with their tails between their legs.

 

[gazza619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India and Russia are reportedly set to sign the $5 billion deal for the S-400 surface-to-air defence missile system this week, during the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to New Delhi.<a href="https://t.co/PnXwCjUFHn">https://t.co/PnXwCjUFHn</a></p>— TIMES NOW (@TimesNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1047714178457202688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ahead of $5 billion India-Russia missile deal, US warns of sanctions <a href="https://t.co/RHrPzydFJZ">https://t.co/RHrPzydFJZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/LjEF5Dyilc">pic.twitter.com/LjEF5Dyilc</a></p>— NDTV (@ndtv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1047664386628706304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I say wrap up the world by an atomic war once and for all and get us out of our misery. Fed up with this. Shame on these nations.

 

[Pakpak]

US and Israel do not care for brown Hindu's or Muslims. BJP and it's extremists somehow feel they are like brothers now to Israel and the US but those nations are merely using them to sell weapons and do their bidding if need be.

Im hoping the recent events have woken up the sensible Indians. They need to remove the BJP and look after their own people instead of looking in the mirror seeing a Tiger when they are kittens.

US uses nations like a tissue paper. Indians knew this before hence stayed neutral. Now all the neutrality is leaving them. All thanks to Modi. As because of them moving away from Russia our relationship with the Russians is pretty good now. From sending our cadets to Russia to military drills to now parts for JF17...ten years ago who would have thought.

 

[rhony]

US and Israel do not care for brown Hindu's or Muslims. BJP and it's extremists somehow feel they are like brothers now to Israel and the US but those nations are merely using them to sell weapons and do their bidding if need be.

Im hoping the recent events have woken up the sensible Indians. They need to remove the BJP and look after their own people instead of looking in the mirror seeing a Tiger when they are kittens.

India has the cohones to openly support Palestine while happily using Israeli arms. So, it's the other way around. Indians are using Israel for diplomatic support and weapons. Americans can't afford to lose India due to strategic reasons. India mean while can openly buy Russian arms while palling around with USA. These sanctions etc are small fish compared to the strategic advantages both countries have with each other's support in the long term. US and hence UN will keep a blind eye on Kashmir while Indians take advantage of American, European, Israeli weapons.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What happened against Hazbollah? Face it, it's all a mirage, the Arab armies they defeated were a disgrace. Pakistan would flatten them and send them back to Brooklyn and Eastern Europe with their tails between their legs.

Why doesnt pakistan try it?

Their army is technlogically far far superior. Its not even a competition.

Except NATO, only China and Russia can beat them, that too because of sheer numbers. Rest no one has a chance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

US and Israel do not care for brown Hindu's or Muslims. BJP and it's extremists somehow feel they are like brothers now to Israel and the US but those nations are merely using them to sell weapons and do their bidding if need be.

Im hoping the recent events have woken up the sensible Indians. They need to remove the BJP and look after their own people instead of looking in the mirror seeing a Tiger when they are kittens.

Brit Pakistani speaking for US and Israel and advising what Indians should do. Lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India is no Israel.

Btw have your S400's been delivered? Waste of money dont you think against the PAF

India wasnot funded by USA and NATO for decades to shore up its defences. Nehru's stupidity called NAM made sure India's defence was only India's problem.

S400s will only come in october 2020. A system that has F22 and F35 flying USAF scared has nothing to worry about PAF.

 

[KingKhanWC]

US uses nations like a tissue paper. Indians knew this before hence stayed neutral. Now all the neutrality is leaving them. All thanks to Modi. As because of them moving away from Russia our relationship with the Russians is pretty good now. From sending our cadets to Russia to military drills to now parts for JF17...ten years ago who would have thought.

Yep. Also we have to remember the Russia under Putin is nothing like the Communist regime India had relations with.

India has the cohones to openly support Palestine while happily using Israeli arms. So, it's the other way around. Indians are using Israel for diplomatic support and weapons. Americans can't afford to lose India due to strategic reasons. India mean while can openly buy Russian arms while palling around with USA. These sanctions etc are small fish compared to the strategic advantages both countries have with each other's support in the long term. US and hence UN will keep a blind eye on Kashmir while Indians take advantage of American, European, Israeli weapons.

India supported Palestine after patition to gain closer ties to the Muslim world but since it's relationship with Israel has become stronger, the same support cannt be seen now and Israelis know this so not couragous at all.

Americans dont care too much who they win or lose here. Since they want a get out of Afghanistan they have become closer to Pakistan again. All Trump said is he wants both nations to sort out this conflict themselves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India wasnot funded by USA and NATO for decades to shore up its defences. Nehru's stupidity called NAM made sure India's defence was only India's problem.

S400s will only come in october 2020. A system that has F22 and F35 flying USAF scared has nothing to worry about PAF.

If Israel is attacked USA will jump right in, the same wont happen for India.

F22 has stealth technology amongst other capabilities which can deal with S400 if needed.

As for the PAF, India doesn't have enough S400 to station everywhere and even if they did, Pak has enough missiles to use in such a scenario.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Brit Pakistani speaking for US and Israel and advising what Indians should do. Lol.

You really believe Israel and the US care about India apart from their own interests?

Please explain why?

 

[cricketjoshila]

why cant asian countries make a equivalent, surely they are bright enough?

Having s-400 missile defense in modern age is mandatory.

S 400 like BMDs cost billions. Only few asian nations can afford to buy. And all of them have bought it. Chinese and Indians have S400. Japanese and South Koreans are going for American systems.

Saudis also ordered S 400.

Rest either dont need it or cannot afford it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If Israel is attacked USA will jump right in, the same wont happen for India.

F22 has stealth technology amongst other capabilities which can deal with S400 if needed.

As for the PAF, India doesn't have enough S400 to station everywhere and even if they did, Pak has enough missiles to use in such a scenario.

Which war did US jump in with its troops to defend israel?

Stealth is relative. S 400 has capability to engage F22.

5 regiments of S 400 are enough to cover the western border with Pakistan. Not to mention that when the Indian Air defence system will be fully deployed in a couple of years it will be a multi layered multi nation system.

Starting with

1.Akash SAM Indian system till 30km range
2.SPY der Israeli System till 70km
3. Iron Dome Israeli system
4.Barak 8 MR SAM till 100 km joint Indo Israeli system
5. Barak 8 LR SAM till 150km
6.S 400 till 400km
7. Indian BMD for select cities.

These systems are all ordered and being on delivery schedule as of now.

What missiles? Lol. No one is going to use missiles on a nuclear nation.

You talk so cavalierly about nuclear war between India and Pakistan as you sit unaffected in UK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You really believe Israel and the US care about India apart from their own interests?

Please explain why?

Their own interests are entwined with Indias.

US needs India as its pivot to Asia policy and counter a chinese hegemony in Asia.

Israel and India have been secretly allies for decades, long before actual diplomatic relations were started in 1992. They have been very trusted allies in times of strife.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Which war did US jump in with its troops to defend israel?

Stealth is relative. S 400 has capability to engage F22.

5 regiments of S 400 are enough to cover the western border with Pakistan. Not to mention that when the Indian Air defence system will be fully deployed in a couple of years it will be a multi layered multi nation system.

Starting with

1.Akash SAM Indian system till 30km range
2.SPY der Israeli System till 70km
3. Iron Dome Israeli system
4.Barak 8 MR SAM till 100 km joint Indo Israeli system
5. Barak 8 LR SAM till 150km
6.S 400 till 400km
7. Indian BMD for select cities.

These systems are all ordered and being on delivery schedule as of now.

What missiles? Lol. No one is going to use missiles on a nuclear nation.

You talk so cavalierly about nuclear war between India and Pakistan as you sit unaffected in UK.

The stealth in the F22 can evade S400.

Those are not invincible. Israel has deployed the Iron dome but home made Hamas rockets still get through.

Pakistan is no nation of little men, if push comes to shove all options are on the table. You hit trees, we took your pilot, gave him a cup a tea and sent him back with a suit.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Their own interests are entwined with Indias.

US needs India as its pivot to Asia policy and counter a chinese hegemony in Asia.

Israel and India have been secretly allies for decades, long before actual diplomatic relations were started in 1992. They have been very trusted allies in times of strife.

Yes US and Israel is using you. They didn't come to your defence recently and wont come to defence in any future conflict with Pakistan. US reduced visas for Indians and also is decreasing imports from India.

Besides arent Indian ashamed being a huge nation with a huge population still need others to help you? Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and vice versa, the saffrons would be on their knees now.

P.s Do you like my profile picture?

 

[Pakpak]

Yes US and Israel is using you. They didn't come to your defence recently and wont come to defence in any future conflict with Pakistan. US reduced visas for Indians and also is decreasing imports from India.

Besides arent Indian ashamed being a huge nation with a huge population still need others to help you? Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and vice versa, the saffrons would be on their knees now.

P.s Do you like my profile picture?

We have seen how poorly India deals with a nation which is near its population and size ie China.

Our population is ten times less than India. It's like Pakistan failing to deal with a country of 20 million

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes US and Israel is using you. They didn't come to your defence recently and wont come to defence in any future conflict with Pakistan. US reduced visas for Indians and also is decreasing imports from India.

Besides arent Indian ashamed being a huge nation with a huge population still need others to help you? Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and vice versa, the saffrons would be on their knees now.

P.s Do you like my profile picture?

US is using India, Agreed, however China is owning Pakistan.... US didnt need to come to India's aid vs Pakistan because India does not need anyone to come to it's aid in that scenario. However say if India's opponent was China, US would come to it's aid... All the other stuff you mentioned about Visas and decreasing imports are off very small consequence to India because Trump has been echoing the same sentiments against a lot of other countries including Japan...

Can you please explain what you mean by 'still need other's to help you' ? are you referring to buying weapons from other countries ? If so then majority of the countries in the world should be ashamed...

 

[cricketjoshila]

The stealth in the F22 can evade S400.

Those are not invincible. Israel has deployed the Iron dome but home made Hamas rockets still get through.

Pakistan is no nation of little men, if push comes to shove all options are on the table. You hit trees, we took your pilot, gave him a cup a tea and sent him back with a suit.

As i said, stealth is relative.

Those are more than enough to tackle any adversary that doesnot have the technology of NATO or Israel or the sheer numbers of Russia.

All options are on table for India too and it has far bigger resources to use than a country surviving on bailouts.

We took out a terror center. Took down a F 16 and Pakistan could barely hold our pilot for 48hrs.

You talk a lot about nukes because you dont live in Pakistan and hence is unaffected by it. Those who live there know what will be the affect of using nukes. The costs dont justify saving a few terrorists.

 

[Napa]

Yes 5 regiments havee been ordered. That means 10 battalions.

Each battalion has its own radar,command post 8 launchers and 32 missiles. The longest range missile has a range of 400km. So even if the system is 100km inside India it can track and engage any target thats upto 300km from our borders.

Different S-400 systems have different ranges, with the farthest range being 400 km. I wonder which particular S-400 system India is getting? $5.5 billion is a lot of money.

India should really not spend $10 to $15 billion on 4th generation fighters. That money could certainly do a lot of good to the poor people in the country. Ideally India would develop its own industries so it didn't have to spend all this money, but for 50 years now the engineers who graduate from the best engineering colleges face poor employment prospects and head to the West where they become consultants or marketing professors

If India is going to spend the money, it should at least get 5th generation fighters. The reality is that one fifth generation fighter that cannot be seen by radars is better than 5 or 10 4th generation fighters. As for shooting down enemy aircraft , more important than the fighters are the beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that they will launch.

 

[Adijazz1706]

As i said, stealth is relative.

Those are more than enough to tackle any adversary that doesnot have the technology of NATO or Israel or the sheer numbers of Russia.

All options are on table for India too and it has far bigger resources to use than a country surviving on bailouts.

We took out a terror center. Took down a F 16 and Pakistan could barely hold our pilot for 48hrs.

You talk a lot about nukes because you dont live in Pakistan and hence is unaffected by it. Those who live there know what will be the affect of using nukes. The costs dont justify saving a few terrorists.

No proof you did either

 

[Pakistanian]

Different S-400 systems have different ranges, with the farthest range being 400 km. I wonder which particular S-400 system India is getting? $5.5 billion is a lot of money.

India should really not spend $10 to $15 billion on 4th generation fighters. That money could certainly do a lot of good to the poor people in the country. Ideally India would develop its own industries so it didn't have to spend all this money, but for 50 years now the engineers who graduate from the best engineering colleges face poor employment prospects and head to the West where they become consultants or marketing professors

If India is going to spend the money, it should at least get 5th generation fighters. The reality is that one fifth generation fighter that cannot be seen by radars is better than 5 or 10 4th generation fighters. As for shooting down enemy aircraft , more important than the fighters are the beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that they will launch.

Lmaoo ain't no uncle sam selling the F 22 to india no matter how much y'all offer. Spending money on the work and ingenuity of others means you doubt if your own people have the ingenuity to invent something of the same quality if not better.

 

[Pakistanian]

We took out a terror center. Took down a F 16 and Pakistan could barely hold our pilot for 48hrs..

Are you mental? lmaoo, you're what we call somebody suffering from ostrich syndrome. Y'all knocked out some trees, the pilot was repatriated out of goodwill not cause of any pressure and there's no proof you downed a fighter jet but whatever makes you sleep better at night after you get home from your sad job at a call center getting paid a few thousand rupees to write these comments

 

[Napa]

Lmaoo ain't no uncle sam selling the F 22 to india no matter how much y'all offer. Spending money on the work and ingenuity of others means you doubt if your own people have the ingenuity to invent something of the same quality if not better.

The lack of knowledge apparent in your post reminds me of the saying "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

F-35, not F-22. The US by law does not sell F-22 to any foreign country. Dangling $15 billion will probably change a lot of American minds about selling the fifth generation F-35.

 

[Pakistanian]

The lack of knowledge apparent in your post reminds me of the saying "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

F-35, not F-22. The US by law does not sell F-22 to any foreign country. Dangling $15 billion will probably change a lot of American minds about selling the fifth generation F-35.

they won't sell it to india, period. Bet every cent of that 15 bil. National security > 15 billion $$$ or any amount of money.

 

[Napa]

they won't sell it to india, period. Bet every cent of that 15 bil. National security > 15 billion $$$ or any amount of money.

You keep proving the truth of the aforementioned saying. Given that you cannot even put up 0.01% of the $15 billion, I will pass on your wager

The US already has provided the F-35 to about 10 countries. Its "national security" will not be harmed by selling it to India, with which is has an increasing convergence of ideals and interests.

 

[Pakistanian]

You keep proving the truth of the aforementioned saying. Given that you cannot even put up 0.01% of the $15 billion, I will pass on your wager

The US already has provided the F-35 to about 10 countries. Its "national security" will not be harmed by selling it to India, with which is has an increasing convergence of ideals and interests.

Maybe so but you leave out the fact that most of those 10 countries are partners/investors in the development of the f35 for many years, India was never part of the project. Also each of those 10 countries are much wealthier and developed than india, so the US wouldn't trust a poor country that is still has long way until it's developed. Also looking at India's needs it doesn't look like these jets are good for India's defence needs.

 

[Napa]

Maybe so but you leave out the fact that most of those 10 countries are partners/investors in the development of the f35 for many years, India was never part of the project. Also each of those 10 countries are much wealthier and developed than india, so the US wouldn't trust a poor country that is still has long way until it's developed. Also looking at India's needs it doesn't look like these jets are good for India's defence needs.

All the 10 countries are far behind India in terms of nominal GDP. India ranks 3rd after China and the US.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/208rank.html

Nor are these countries growing as fast as India.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...est-india-s-world-beating-growth-has-momentum

As for being developed, India at this point provides US firms the software they need to run their operations, with the majority of IBM, Accenture etc employees located in India.

A country capable of spending $15 billion to buy fighters and not running from Saudi Arabia to China to IMF for bailouts to pay its bills must be doing fine economically.

The US also has a strong desire to align with India which is a democracy like itself, against China which is a dictatorship. India is important to the US both politically and economically.

As for India's defense needs, I assume Indians who are going to spend $15 billion are the best judge of their defense needs. If they want to bomb terrorist camps, they would rather want to do it with F-35s which cannot be seen by radars than with 1970s vintages Mig-21s. I have no idea which genius in the IAF decided to send Mig-21s to take on F-16s.

 

[Napa]

All the 10 countries are far behind India in terms of nominal GDP. India ranks 3rd after China and the US.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/208rank.html

Nor are these countries growing as fast as India.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...est-india-s-world-beating-growth-has-momentum

As for being developed, India at this point provides US firms the software they need to run their operations, with the majority of IBM, Accenture etc employees located in India.

A country capable of spending $15 billion to buy fighters and not running from Saudi Arabia to China to IMF for bailouts to pay its bills must be doing fine economically.

The US also has a strong desire to align with India which is a democracy like itself, against China which is a dictatorship. India is important to the US both politically and economically.

As for India's defense needs, I assume Indians who are going to spend $15 billion are the best judge of their defense needs. If they want to bomb terrorist camps, they would rather want to do it with F-35s which cannot be seen by radars than with 1970s vintages Mig-21s. I have no idea which genius in the IAF decided to send Mig-21s to take on F-16s.

*PPP GDP, not nominal GDP. India currently ranks #7 in terms of nominal GDP and should be #5 in a couple of years, only behind Japan and Germany which have received F-35s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

[Romali_rotti]

they won't sell it to india, period. Bet every cent of that 15 bil. National security > 15 billion $$$ or any amount of money.

Listen little kiddo,

The F-35 can be had, Indians and the Americans are close allies, US has given India similar status that it has given to it's European allys for military, whom have acquired the F35... Indians however seem allergic to American fighter jets in general..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Getting the F-35 means pissing our most reliable ally Russians, so naturally Indians would be vary of that. Plus with the talk of India shooting down a Pakistani F-16 with a flying coffin the Bison, that has made the plane look bad in front of Indians in general, so Lockheed Martin fighter jets would naturally be last on the agenda..

 

[Napa]

Getting the F-35 means pissing our most reliable ally Russians, so naturally Indians would be vary of that. Plus with the talk of India shooting down a Pakistani F-16 with a flying coffin the Bison, that has made the plane look bad in front of Indians in general, so Lockheed Martin fighter jets would naturally be last on the agenda..

Generally India insists on tech transfer and the US resists tech transfer. That would be a major sticking point. But if India really is going to spend $15 billion on fighters, it might as well something that will be technologically superior. Modern war, especially air war is all about technological superiority.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes US and Israel is using you. They didn't come to your defence recently and wont come to defence in any future conflict with Pakistan. US reduced visas for Indians and also is decreasing imports from India.

Besides arent Indian ashamed being a huge nation with a huge population still need others to help you? Imagine if Pakistan was the size of India and vice versa, the saffrons would be on their knees now.

P.s Do you like my profile picture?

Why will India need US or Israel to take on Pakistan? Lol.

US has renegotiated or scrapped trade deals with even their closest allies since Trump came to power.

Tell me when India asked anyone to help in case of a war with Pakistan?

Pakistan though expected US to help in 1965 and 1971. They also expected help from Muslim countries. Now the expectation is from China.

Pakistan has dreamt about bringing India to its knees since 1947, result is Bangladesh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Different S-400 systems have different ranges, with the farthest range being 400 km. I wonder which particular S-400 system India is getting? $5.5 billion is a lot of money.

India should really not spend $10 to $15 billion on 4th generation fighters. That money could certainly do a lot of good to the poor people in the country. Ideally India would develop its own industries so it didn't have to spend all this money, but for 50 years now the engineers who graduate from the best engineering colleges face poor employment prospects and head to the West where they become consultants or marketing professors

If India is going to spend the money, it should at least get 5th generation fighters. The reality is that one fifth generation fighter that cannot be seen by radars is better than 5 or 10 4th generation fighters. As for shooting down enemy aircraft , more important than the fighters are the beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that they will launch.

S 400 uses different missiles of different ranges. Indian deal includes the 400km range missile.

Rafale is very good aircraft and only F22 and F35 and the yet to be inducted T50 are better.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Generally India insists on tech transfer and the US resists tech transfer. That would be a major sticking point. But if India really is going to spend $15 billion on fighters, it might as well something that will be technologically superior. Modern war, especially air war is all about technological superiority.

We dont want to spend that 15 Billion on an F35, it has an alleged kill switch on it. So the Americans will dictate terms on how it can be used... Screw THATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

 

[Pakistanian]

Getting the F-35 means pissing our most reliable ally Russians, so naturally Indians would be vary of that. Plus with the talk of India shooting down a Pakistani F-16 with a flying coffin the Bison, that has made the plane look bad in front of Indians in general, so Lockheed Martin fighter jets would naturally be last on the agenda..

You guys are so deluded to keep repeating this fake news. There is no evidence that India shot down an F 16 or any jet for that matter, also Pakistan primarily uses the JF 17 thunder but y'all think F 16 is the only jet PAF has

 

[Napa]

S 400 uses different missiles of different ranges. Indian deal includes the 400km range missile.

Rafale is very good aircraft and only F22 and F35 and the yet to be inducted T50 are better.

I still believe that if you put the best anti-aircraft missiles on our existing warplanes (Su-30, Mirage 2000 and Mig-29s), we will literally get a lot more bang for our buck. So we should be looking to buy the latest anti-aircraft missiles (of which S-400s are a part) rather than spending a humongous amount on Rafaels.

If you are looking to shoot down enemy aircraft the missile that you fire is much more important than the aircraft you launched it from. If you are looking to avoid getting shot down, then the aircraft that you fire is important. Some ***** decided to send Mig-21s over Pakistani skies, unbelievable stupidity.