US Senate warns Russia of sanctions if S-400 sold to any foreign nations

[Napa]

We dont want to spend that 15 Billion on an F35, it has an alleged kill switch on it. So the Americans will dictate terms on how it can be used... Screw THATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Yeah, but it would still be nice to have an aircraft that is invulnerable to defenses due to radar-evading stealth abilities. The Russian PAK was a flop, I hope it still happens.

 

[sjahmed23]

This S-400 became more popular after it brought down the malaysian 777 passenger airline. Its sad what the world has become.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This S-400 became more popular after it brought down the malaysian 777 passenger airline. Its sad what the world has become.

Malaysian airliner was downed by a BUK missile and not S 400.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You guys are so deluded to keep repeating this fake news. There is no evidence that India shot down an F 16 or any jet for that matter, also Pakistan primarily uses the JF 17 thunder but y'all think F 16 is the only jet PAF has

You always point out that what you say is the truth, however Indians keep saying what they say is the truth. You both are on the same page give you that....

 

[KingKhanWC]

US is using India, Agreed, however China is owning Pakistan.... US didnt need to come to India's aid vs Pakistan because India does not need anyone to come to it's aid in that scenario. However say if India's opponent was China, US would come to it's aid... All the other stuff you mentioned about Visas and decreasing imports are off very small consequence to India because Trump has been echoing the same sentiments against a lot of other countries including Japan...

Can you please explain what you mean by 'still need other's to help you' ? are you referring to buying weapons from other countries ? If so then majority of the countries in the world should be ashamed...

China doesn't own Pakistan as this relationship has more positives for Pakistan. China without Pakistan would be secure and would continue to thrive economically. Pakistan needs China for both therefore is getting the better deal.

US would not come to India's aid against China. There is no way the US would go to war with China for anyone apart from Israel.

I was referring to India always asking others to back them up politcally. India is much larger than Pakistan, has a bigger army and more money. When an attack happens in India, they want others to speak out against it, even though they are dealing with a much smaller nation. It might be ok for Indians but from my point of view, I find it a tad embarrasing if I was India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why will India need US or Israel to take on Pakistan? Lol.

US has renegotiated or scrapped trade deals with even their closest allies since Trump came to power.

Tell me when India asked anyone to help in case of a war with Pakistan?

Pakistan though expected US to help in 1965 and 1971. They also expected help from Muslim countries. Now the expectation is from China.

Pakistan has dreamt about bringing India to its knees since 1947, result is Bangladesh.

Your nation has just been owned and is right now a laughing stock around the world but you continue to live in a fantasy.

India wants poltical backing from the US all the time. You regurlary point to the US and others having people on terror lists to back your argument. You're a huge nation but are still scared of Paksitan in 2019 which is why you make up lies when you hit trees and your pilots are shown on videos like cartoon characters.

 

[KingKhanWC]

US will not sell F22 to India as it wont even sell it to Israel. The stealth capabilities of this amazing jet can evade S400.

Engineers designed the F-22 to be unseen at many wavelengths and from many directions. The Lightning II does not offer many radar returns when the waves strike it from the front. But the F-35 does not have the curves of the F-22 Raptor that mask the plane from radar at all angles. When radar comes from the side, the returns are stronger.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4291/f-35-israel-middle-east-russian-weapons/

 

[Romali_rotti]

China doesn't own Pakistan as this relationship has more positives for
Pakistan.

There are positives in the relationship between you guys, agreed, however it is more to China's advantage, we will see how all this will play out in the future. Chinese are ruthless, hope for Pakistan's sake it doesn't get rolled over like what would happen if an Elephant and a mouse shared the same bed.


China without Pakistan would be secure and would continue to thrive economically.


So far since the creation of Pakistan the above doesnt seem to be the case.

Pakistan needs China for both therefore is getting the better deal.

We shall see..

US would not come to India's aid against China. There is no way the US would go to war with China for anyone apart from Israel.

US came to India's aid during the first China/India war during the time of Nehru, back then India was not a friend or foe of the US. Now India's status with the US is on the level of a NATO ally, so I would say it is fair to assume that US would come to India's aid. Attack on India would be an attack on democracy and not just the US, many other countries around the world would be on India's side, Russia would remain neutral, Chinese would be in trouble....

I was referring to India always asking others to back them up politcally. India is much larger than Pakistan, has a bigger army and more money. When an attack happens in India, they want others to speak out against it, even though they are dealing with a much smaller nation. It might be ok for Indians but from my point of view, I find it a tad embarrasing if I was India.

It is all to isolate Pakistan, naturally ever terrorist attack on Indian soil with a Pakistani connection adds fuel to an already raging inferno. I don't think it is embarrassing at all, you have an agenda and you try and achieve it..... The real issue here is, what terrifies me, under the BJP government it is now getting to a push and shove, under the previous Congress government they would be meek and quiet and not act, the issue here is BJP government has shown a tendency to act which could escalate to war and both our families and loved ones in India and Pakistan would be in great danger. I hope calm and peace will prevail but I have a terrible feeling inside me, something will eventually happen.

Bold...

 

[Romali_rotti]

US will not sell F22 to India as it wont even sell it to Israel. The stealth capabilities of this amazing jet can evade S400.



https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...4291/f-35-israel-middle-east-russian-weapons/

I dont believe anyone said an F22 can be bought bro...

 

[KingKhanWC]

I dont believe anyone said an F22 can be bought bro...

No, I was just pointing it out but would the US sell India F35's knowing their jets usually come from Russia? How would Russia react?

Coming to your other points, we will have to disagree but for me a smaller nation which has a larger nation, superpower as an ally will always have the better end of the relationship.

US public is sick of war and in any event of war between China and India, they will try to end the conflict rather than joining in on one side esp with the likes of Trump. He doesn't care about protecting democracy but only about the $ . Going to war on behalf of India with China will not only risk the security of the US but will destroy it's economy. A lot of things have changed in half a century.

Pakistan sees India going to the 'International community' as a sign of weakness to some extent. The Yanks have done everything possible to isolate Pakistan that can be done. Nothing more will happen because of India.

I find it very difficult to understand why many Indians esp those like yourself who are travelled and aware of world issues continue to support the BJP? They are stuck in the dark ages with their views of how India should progress. India has a chance to make serious progress in the land, not just for the middle class but for the poor. With Imran Khan in power, India and Pakistan have a great opportunity to solve their issues and move foward which will benefit both nations. There was a time when India was in the top 2 richest and most advanced nations on Earth but since the arrival of the British to this day both nations have been played like a flute. If India and Pakistan go to war, Brits or Yanks wont really care, all they see is brown people in 3rd world nations fighting with each other. Why stop them when you can make money by selling them weapons to kill each other. People of both nations need to wake up and realise their interests.

P.s Is that you in your pic? Come on bro, I know tensions have been high but there is no need to scare us on here.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No, I was just pointing it out but would the US sell India F35's knowing their jets usually come from Russia? How would Russia react?

Valid point, I pointed this out earlier. Russians would not be happy with Indians if they acquired the F-35 so naturally they would not want to do that or at least be cautious. Plus the F-35 apparently has a kill switch on them which gives the Americans too much bargaining power on how it will be used. Indians would not get F-35, I just don't see it happening.


Coming to your other points, we will have to disagree but for me a smaller nation which has a larger nation, superpower as an ally will always have the better end of the relationship.

US public is sick of war and in any event of war between China and India, they will try to end the conflict rather than joining in on one side esp with the likes of Trump. He doesn't care about protecting democracy but only about the $ . Going to war on behalf of India with China will not only risk the security of the US but will destroy it's economy. A lot of things have changed in half a century.

Look, I honestly do not believe there will be a war between India and China, like you mentioned both would be worried about their economy. If it did escalate to a war, US and other countries would first try to intervene and stop the conflict, in the highly unlikely scenario that did not happen, I believe US will come to India's aid in the way of sending an aircraft carrier etc like they do in the South China sea.


Pakistan sees India going to the 'International community' as a sign of weakness to some extent. The Yanks have done everything possible to isolate Pakistan that can be done. Nothing more will happen because of India.

American interests at the end of the day such as supply routes, dealing with the Taliban etc is through Pakistan. There is no way India or any other country can get the Americans or other countries to isolate Pakistan. India already knows this I believe deep down, only reason for all the noise could be to get votes in the coming election. YES, part of me still believe what just happened between India and Pakistan was to get votes....


I find it very difficult to understand why many Indians esp those like yourself who are travelled and aware of world issues continue to support the BJP? They are stuck in the dark ages with their views of how India should progress. India has a chance to make serious progress in the land, not just for the middle class but for the poor. With Imran Khan in power, India and Pakistan have a great opportunity to solve their issues and move foward which will benefit both nations. There was a time when India was in the top 2 richest and most advanced nations on Earth but since the arrival of the British to this day both nations have been played like a flute. If India and Pakistan go to war, Brits or Yanks wont really care, all they see is brown people in 3rd world nations fighting with each other. Why stop them when you can make money by selling them weapons to kill each other. People of both nations need to wake up and realise their interests.

Despite the perception around here, I am not a Hindutva, RSS supporter. I do support BJP, only because I feel Congress led by the Italian waitress is a bigger threat to India, her son is so mentally handicapped if he were to lead the country, it will be GAME OVER for India in every essence. Which is why I kept saying that we are living in scary times if someone like Rahul Gandhi can become a PM... I agree with all you other points on the above paragraph, however I just don't believe our 2 countries will ever see the light and move past our differences as sad as it is. When I see the arguing that goes on here from both sides, I cannot help but marvel how identical we are lol, both equally talking nonsense and sense with each other. I guess some things are just not meant to be, I just hope and pray there will never be another war between our countries as we all have loved ones in Pakistan and India.

P.s Is that you in your pic? Come on bro, I know tensions have been high but there is no need to scare us on here.

Yes that is me in the avatar ... I am on another message board for NFL (American football) and I am wearing the green Eagles top representing my team, that's why that pic was taken for that message board. I just figured what the hell I might as well put it here as well.... Wasn't meant to scare anyone ...

bold...

 

[Bilal7]

I still believe that if you put the best anti-aircraft missiles on our existing warplanes (Su-30, Mirage 2000 and Mig-29s), we will literally get a lot more bang for our buck. So we should be looking to buy the latest anti-aircraft missiles (of which S-400s are a part) rather than spending a humongous amount on Rafaels.

If you are looking to shoot down enemy aircraft the missile that you fire is much more important than the aircraft you launched it from. If you are looking to avoid getting shot down, then the aircraft that you fire is important. Some ***** decided to send Mig-21s over Pakistani skies, unbelievable stupidity.

It's quite sad when a random dude on the internet is able to blast the IAF for their tactics and a the myths of the downed F-16 and bombed terror outpost are being repeated to give these Indians some sort of confidence. What a weak airforce.

In the case of a war tomorrow, Pakistan would have full air superiority within a few hours and by virtue of that, ground superiority as well.

 

[Napa]

<b>It's quite sad when a random dude on the internet</b> is able to blast the IAF for their tactics and a the myths of the downed F-16 and bombed terror outpost are being repeated to give these Indians some sort of confidence. What a weak airforce.

I assume you are speaking about yourself

In the case of a war tomorrow, Pakistan would have full air superiority within a few hours and by virtue of that, ground superiority as well.

Modern warfare is all about technology. That is the reason why the US was able to pulverize the Iraqi military with minimal damage.

Your fantasies are out of control. Back to reality, Pakistan is almost bankrupt and India has $400+ billion forex reserves. Even in the second half of the 20th century, when Pakistan was doing better than India economically and had the full backing of the US, it managed to lose half of its country fighting India while gaining zero land from India. The following will help your education about the relative competence of the two militaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala

It takes only two brain cells capable of rubbing against each other to understand what the outcome of future wars will be with India purchasing S-400 for $5+ billion and Rafaels for $10+ billion, the sort of armaments that Pakistan is nowhere close to being able to afford. These systems should be in place over the next 2 to 7 years.

 

[Adijazz1706]

I assume you are speaking about yourself



Modern warfare is all about technology. That is the reason why the US was able to pulverize the Iraqi military with minimal damage.

Your fantasies are out of control. Back to reality, Pakistan is almost bankrupt and India has $400+ billion forex reserves. Even in the second half of the 20th century, when Pakistan was doing better than India economically and had the full backing of the US, it managed to lose half of its country fighting India while gaining zero land from India. The following will help your education about the relative competence of the two militaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala

It takes only two brain cells capable of rubbing against each other to understand what the outcome of future wars will be with India purchasing S-400 for $5+ billion and Rafaels for $10+ billion, the sort of armaments that Pakistan is nowhere close to being able to afford. These systems should be in place over the next 2 to 7 years.

By that token the French were a muchh stronger military power than the British because the British managed to lose 13 colonies in the American revolution due to having to fight both the French and the Yanks simultaneously.

A country cannot win a civil war happening in another country,they can merely aid the rebels. 1-on-1 wars are what count.

 

[Bilal7]

I assume you are speaking about yourself



Modern warfare is all about technology. That is the reason why the US was able to pulverize the Iraqi military with minimal damage.

Your fantasies are out of control. Back to reality, Pakistan is almost bankrupt and India has $400+ billion forex reserves. Even in the second half of the 20th century, when Pakistan was doing better than India economically and had the full backing of the US, it managed to lose half of its country fighting India while gaining zero land from India. The following will help your education about the relative competence of the two militaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala

It takes only two brain cells capable of rubbing against each other to understand what the outcome of future wars will be with India purchasing S-400 for $5+ billion and Rafaels for $10+ billion, the sort of armaments that Pakistan is nowhere close to being able to afford. These systems should be in place over the next 2 to 7 years.

Cool story, bruv. Pakistan will have the chai ready. )

Keep playing with numbers and keep hoping that if a "war breaks out tomorrow", the undelivered Rafales and massive dollar reserves can help protect you.

 

[Napa]

By that token the French were a muchh stronger military power than the British because the British managed to lose 13 colonies in the American revolution due to having to fight both the French and the Yanks simultaneously.

A country cannot win a civil war happening in another country,they can merely aid the rebels. 1-on-1 wars are what count.

Wars are not cricket matches that you get to decide that some don't count by applying some rule you thought up, whether they count or not is determined by the outcome.

I don't remember the British surrendering to the French at the end of the American Revolutionary War.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Wars are not cricket matches that you get to decide that some don't count by applying some rule you thought up, whether they count or not is determined by the outcome.

I don't remember the British surrendering to the French at the end of the American Revolutionary War.

They didn't surrender to the Americans either, doesn't mean they didn't lose. Not every war ends with a surrender. There's a reason there are few if any movies on the 1971 war in Bollywood, nothing to be gained by showing Bangladeshis gaining independence.

 

[Napa]

They didn't surrender to the Americans either, doesn't mean they didn't lose. Not every war ends with a surrender. There's a reason there are few if any movies on the 1971 war in Bollywood, nothing to be gained by showing Bangladeshis gaining independence.

While the Peace of Paris was signed in 1783, the last significant military engagement in the Revolutionary War was the surrender of Cornwallis with his 8,000 troops in Yorktown in 1781 (at which point the British knew they had lost the war), similar to Lieutenant-General Niazi with his 45K troops surrender in Dhaka to Lt. Gen. J.S. Aurora which ended the Bangladesh Independence War for all practical purposes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

bold...

fair points.

I dont think you are a Hindutva or RSS supporter. On the contary I think you like many other Indians living abroad are far more clued upon such extremist views and dont live your life anyway like those people. My point was sure Rahul Ghandi may be a bit clueless but India wont collapse under him. There are many advisors who will ensure India remains stable but with him in charge there is a real chance Pakistan and India can further relations to the point both are not in conflict but partners in many areas. We cannot elect those who live by hate regardless of them being good politicians but I dont think the BJP are any good. When I watch their senior members in interviews even being a British Paksitani I cringe at the thought of other Asians talking as they do.

I was joking bro, I work out too but next pic make sure you wear an army cap!

 

[Technics 1210]

Cool story, bruv. Pakistan will have the chai ready. )

Keep playing with numbers and keep hoping that if a "war breaks out tomorrow", the undelivered Rafales and massive dollar reserves can help protect you.

Indeed, USD reserves will soon go up in smoke as the world shifts from USD dominance. Who knows, India may stock up on Yuans!

 

[Napa]

Indeed, USD reserves will soon go up in smoke as the world shifts from USD dominance.

Just because forex reserves are measured in USD does not mean they are held<i> entirely</i> in USD.

Who knows, India may stock up on Yuans!

I would rather hold my savings in the currency of a country with a per cap GDP of $53.5 K than one with a per cap GDP less than one-sixth of that.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just because forex reserves are measured in USD does not mean they are held<i> entirely</i> in USD.

Correct, but you are the one who bandied a $400B figure. Are you now telling me this figure is a basket of currencies?

I would rather hold my savings in the currency of a country with a per cap GDP of $53.5 K than one with a per cap GDP less than one-sixth of that.

) What a ridiculous argument. Why not hold your savings in Singapore Dollars given Singapore has a GDP per capita almost TWICE that of the USA, at approx $94000, or maybe the Qatar Riyal might be up your street, with Qatar's GDP/Capita is around $125K?

 

[Napa]

Correct, but you are the one who bandied a $400B figure. Are you now telling me this figure is a basket of currencies?

If you are so ignorant of economics that you confuse the numeraire with the quantity it is not my fault. Or do you also believe that because China's per cap GDP is measured as $8K, that the Chinese actually earn their income in USD?

) What a ridiculous argument. Why not hold your savings in Singapore Dollars given Singapore has a GDP per capita almost TWICE that of the USA, at approx $94000, or maybe the Qatar Riyal might be up your street, with Qatar's GDP/Capita is around $125K?

Obviously the resilience of any currency depends upon the size and quality of an economy. The US has both, whereas Singapore has only quality but not size, so is far more risky.

No more replies unless I see something sensible!

 

[Technics 1210]

If you are so ignorant of economics that you confuse the numeraire with the quantity it is not my fault. Or do you also believe that because China's per cap GDP is measured as $8K, that the Chinese actually earn their income in USD?



Obviously the resilience of any currency depends upon the size and quality of an economy. The US has both, whereas Singapore has only quality but not size, so is far more risky.

No more replies unless I see something sensible!

Please stop.

You are now revising your excuses/arguments.

Not my fault you did not do your homework properly. I used your argument against your fallible logic now you come out with the risk factor. Fact is, USD is at risk, but this is a debate for people who understand economics and currency, and not those who just started kindergarten economics because their country is in an economic boom. People like you will never understand the meaning of value, let alone risk.

I agree, please do not reply, it only exposes your lack of understanding and love for sycophancy.

 

[Romali_rotti]

fair points.


I was joking bro, I work out too but next pic make sure you wear an army cap!

Haha if the reaction on this site of Indian cricketers wearing army cap is anything to go by, then I might get banned from here once again if I had a pic of me with an Army cap

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Turkey has chosen the s400 over the f35s.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russia to send <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/S400?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#S400</a> systems to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Turkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Turkey</a> in 2 months, crew training already performed<a href="https://t.co/H92GLUVZou">https://t.co/H92GLUVZou</a> <a href="https://t.co/WrGF0Uh0xT">pic.twitter.com/WrGF0Uh0xT</a></p>— RT (@RT_com) <a href="https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1137268022995931136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8 June 2019</a></blockquote>
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[szundercover]

Pakistan will be next in line for the s 400s.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan will be next in line for the s 400s.

The source please?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Turkey has chosen the s400 over the f35s.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russia to send <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/S400?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#S400</a> systems to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Turkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Turkey</a> in 2 months, crew training already performed<a href="https://t.co/H92GLUVZou">https://t.co/H92GLUVZou</a> <a href="https://t.co/WrGF0Uh0xT">pic.twitter.com/WrGF0Uh0xT</a></p>— RT (@RT_com) <a href="https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1137268022995931136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8 June 2019</a></blockquote>
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Well if Turkey cancels the deal, those systems msy be delivered to India for the Indian deal,ahead of schedule.

 

[msaaim89]

Well if Turkey cancels the deal, those systems msy be delivered to India for the Indian deal,ahead of schedule.

Neither, Turkey nor India will back away, it would be humiliating. Certainly far more Turkey following US behaviour around the attempted coup.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Well if Turkey cancels the deal, those systems msy be delivered to India for the Indian deal,ahead of schedule.

Turkey has until the end of July to make their decision.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> US gives Turkey until July 31 to backtrack on Russian S400 missile deal <a href="https://t.co/wTBz5FX5xh">pic.twitter.com/wTBz5FX5xh</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1137054321772761088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7 June 2019</a></blockquote>
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[msaaim89]

Turkey has until the end of July to make their decision.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> US gives Turkey until July 31 to backtrack on Russian S400 missile deal <a href="https://t.co/wTBz5FX5xh">pic.twitter.com/wTBz5FX5xh</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1137054321772761088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7 June 2019</a></blockquote>
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How many times is the US going to extend the deadline? Turkey is not intimidated.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Turkey has until the end of July to make their decision.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> US gives Turkey until July 31 to backtrack on Russian S400 missile deal <a href="https://t.co/wTBz5FX5xh">pic.twitter.com/wTBz5FX5xh</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1137054321772761088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7 June 2019</a></blockquote>
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No one is going to cancel deals because US laws say so. This is stupid.

Btw Saudis too ordered S400. What about those?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

D-day approaching between India and the US when it comes to the s400. At least Turkey stuck to their guns.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">US has told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> it is unlikely to get a waiver on its planned acquisition of S-400 air defense systems from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Russia</a>, raising the risk of sanctions similar to those imposed on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Turkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Turkey</a> for buying that equipment, reports <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Reuters</a>.</p>— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) <a href="https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1350145716233134083?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">US has told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> it is unlikely to get a waiver on its planned acquisition of S-400 air defense systems from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Russia</a>, raising the risk of sanctions similar to those imposed on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Turkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Turkey</a> for buying that equipment, reports <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Reuters</a>.</p>— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) <a href="https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1350145716233134083?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

India will buy s 400. Or anything they want from Russia. Its America's wish if they want to lose the biggest arms market in the world and take back ties with India two decades back.

 

[Bigboii]

India will buy s 400. Or anything they want from Russia. Its America's wish if they want to lose the biggest arms market in the world and take back ties with India two decades back.

Yes and it's your wish that you take the relationship back two decades and fight the Chinese on your own with garbage russian weapons in Himalayas

US needs India to maintain it's dominance in the region against China

India needs US for it's mere survival against China
Think about it for a second

with no support from West you are out on your own and no ones stopping China from taking any disputed regions they want to take

With US you have a fighting chance

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes and it's your wish that you take the relationship back two decades and fight the Chinese on your own with garbage russian weapons in Himalayas

US needs India to maintain it's dominance in the region against China

India needs US for it's mere survival against China
Think about it for a second

with no support from West you are out on your own and no ones stopping China from taking any disputed regions they want to take

With US you have a fighting chance

India buys weapons from France Israel UK and Russia. So no, India wont have a existential crisis if US refuses to sell.

India has consistently avoided buying frontline offensive weapons from US, except 1 or 2. Its mostly surveillance and support equipment that India buys from US, like P8Is.

Even now US is trying to sell fighter jets worth $25bn to India, though India is unlikely to bite that.

Once you have a economy that can support a long war, with enough weapon supplies and resources, you can hold any enemy to a standstill.

US will not be able to detect India about its national and security policy. India wont withdraw from the S 400 deal. If Modi does it, he is signing on his resignation and the death warrant of BJP.

 

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Washington: The US House of Representatives has passed by voice vote a legislative amendment that approves waiver to India against the punitive CAATSA sanctions for its purchase of the S-400 missile defence system from Russia to help deter aggressors like China.
The legislative amendment was passed on Thursday as part of an en bloc (all together as a single unit) amendment during floor consideration of the National Defence Authorisation Act (NDAA).

Authored and introduced by Indian-American Congressman Ro Khanna, the amendment urges the Biden administration to use its authority to provide India with a Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) waiver to help deter aggressors like China.

CAATSA is a tough US law that authorises the US administration to impose sanctions on countries that purchase major defence hardware from Russia in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its alleged meddling in the 2016 US presidential elections.

"The United States must stand with India in the face of escalating aggression from China. As Vice Chair of the India Caucus, I have been working to strengthen the partnership between our countries and ensure that India can defend itself along the Indian Chinese border," said Mr Khanna, the US representative from California's 17th congressional district.

"This amendment is of the utmost importance, and I am proud to see it pass the House on a bipartisan basis," he said. The law was brought in 2017 and provides for punitive actions by the US government against any country engaged in transactions with the Russian defence and intelligence sectors.

In October 2018, India signed a USD 5 billion deal with Russia to buy five units of the S-400 air defence missile systems, despite a warning from the then-Trump administration that going ahead with the contract may invite US sanctions. The S-400 is known as Russia's most advanced long-range surface-to-air missile defence system.The US has already imposed sanctions on Turkey under the CAATSA for the purchase of a batch of S-400 missile defence systems from Russia.

Following the US sanctions on Turkey over the procurement of S-400 missile systems, there were apprehensions that Washington may impose similar punitive measures on India.

The US has not yet made any decision on potential sanctions or waivers to India under CATSAA law for its purchase of the S-400 missile defence system from Russia, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in April.

The Ministry of External Affairs has said that India was pursuing an independent foreign policy and its defence acquisitions are guided by its national security interests.

In his remarks on the House floor, Mr Khanna said there is no relationship of greater significance to US strategic interests than the US-India partnership.

"My bipartisan NDAA amendment marks the most significant piece of legislation for US-India relations out of Congress since the US-India nuclear deal," Mr Khanna, a Democrat, said.

The legislation says that the United States-India Initiative on Critical and Emerging Technologies (ICET) is a welcome and essential step to developing closer partnerships between governments, academia, and industry in the two countries to address the latest advances in artificial intelligence, quantum computing, biotechnology, aerospace, and semiconductor manufacturing.

Such collaborations between engineers and computer scientists are vital to help ensure that the United States and India, as well as other democracies around the world, foster innovation and facilitate technological advances which continue to far outpace Russian and Chinese technology, it said.

NDTV

 

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Moscow says US hybrid war against Russia will turn into humiliation​

Russia said on Sunday that US lawmakers’ approval of $60.84 billion more in support for Ukraine showed that Washington was wading deeper into a hybrid war with Russia that would end in a humiliation on a par with Vietnam or Afghanistan.

President Vladimir Putin’s 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine has triggered the worst crisis in relations between Russia and the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, according to Russian and US diplomats.

The US House of Representatives on Saturday with broad bipartisan support passed a $95 billion legislative package providing security assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, over bitter objections from some Republicans.

Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that it was clear that the United States wanted Ukraine “to fight to the last Ukrainian” including with attacks on Russian sovereign territory and civilians.

“Washington’s deeper and deeper immersion in the hybrid war against Russia will turn into such a loud and humiliating fiasco for United States as Vietnam and Afghanistan,” Zakharova said.

She said that ordinary Ukrainians were being “forcibly driven to slaughter as ‘cannon fodder’” but that the United States was now no longer betting on a Ukrainian victory against Russia.

The leaders of the West and Ukraine have cast the war in Ukraine as an imperial-style land-grab which shows that post-Soviet Russia is one of the top two biggest nation-state threats to global stability, alongside China.

Putin, though, presents the war as part of a much bigger struggle with the United States, which he says ignored Moscow’s interests after the 1991 Soviet collapse and then plotted to cleave Russia apart and grab its natural resources.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2024/04/21/russia-says-us-hybrid-war-against-russia-will-turn-into-fiasco-like-vietnam-