Usman Khan Shinwari - Brilliant at times and frustratingly bad at others

[Stewie]

I love his attitude and his passion. You can see it is writ large on his face every time he runs in.. he wants to give it his all but he frustrates like Sami and Gul at their worst..

I really was over him but looks like he is reminding us today that there might be a bit more to him. I think the ship for WC May have sailed for him, but I really hope he keeps on working hard on his skills and makes a permanent place in the team down the road.

 

[Savak]

Shinwari over the heartless Amir every day of the week

 

[ExpressPacer]

I love his attitude and his passion. You can see it is writ large on his face every time he runs in.. he wants to give it his all but he frustrates like Sami and Gul at their worst..

I really was over him but looks like he is reminding us today that there might be a bit more to him. I think the ship for WC May have sailed for him, but I really hope he keeps on working hard on his skills and makes a permanent place in the team down the road.

Stewie, he's played 15 ODI's thus far - can you please show me where he has been bad? The guy has been brilliant and averages 15. He looked our best bowler in this series, in the miserly Asia cup and in the South African series.

If you are judging him based off of performances in the PSL and T20i's for ODIs, then Shinwari's being done wrong here because he has been brilliant to say the least in ODIs. He will continue to be as well.

Don't judge him off of T20's. Heck, drop him from the T20 team. Who even cares about those? He is one of our best ODI bowlers and has the potential to be world class. Pace, passion, hunger, power, swing, seam, he has it all!

 

[IAJ]

Very frustrating bowler. Amazing at times but very very ordinary other times, especially t20s

But in this time and age the bowlers need to be able to hold the bat as well. Having him in the side could be a liability as he is a very poor fielder as well.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

He is the second coming of Umar Gul. Awesome once in rhythm, but gets wrecked once the batsmen get the better of him.

Such mentally weak bowlers are a huge risk. Especially in the UK where you cannot bowl short and reverse swing doesn't play much of a role.

 

[Stewie]

Stewie, he's played 15 ODI's thus far - can you please show me where he has been bad? The guy has been brilliant and averages 15. He looked our best bowler in this series, in the miserly Asia cup and in the South African series.

If you are judging him based off of performances in the PSL and T20i's for ODIs, then Shinwari's being done wrong here because he has been brilliant to say the least in ODIs. He will continue to be as well.

Don't judge him off of T20's. Heck, drop him from the T20 team. Who even cares about those? He is one of our best ODI bowlers and has the potential to be world class. Pace, passion, hunger, power, swing, seam, he has it all!

Yaar meray samney stats nahi hein but I remember him being taken for runs in I think it was Asia Cup and also during PSL. I remember one PSL game was just plain horrible for him.

But I agree he has ten times the heart and passion and fight of Amir.. unlike Amir he is not scared of getting hit and will not back down from running in hard and bowling effort balls.

That’s being said, if am with you bro. I love this guy’s passion and I really wish he went to England. I have a feeling if he did get picked, he will do well there under decent conditions.

And now that Amir has lost that inswing in to righties, he is none better than the other left arm pacers in the team.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Terrible or brilliant, he has booked a ticket to WC with his performance today. The two bowlers selected will be amir and shinwari

 

[Stewie]

You guys think he is really in for WC? We shall see.. and I honestly don’t want Amir in the squad.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

You guys think he is really in for WC? We shall see.. and I honestly don’t want Amir in the squad.

Azhar said two spots to fill from hasnain, junaid , shinwari, abbas and amir.

Based on this series, it will be amir and shinwari. Not that i am happy about this but with our limited choices, this is what we got.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Yaar meray samney stats nahi hein but I remember him being taken for runs in I think it was Asia Cup and also during PSL. I remember one PSL game was just plain horrible for him.

But I agree he has ten times the heart and passion and fight of Amir.. unlike Amir he is not scared of getting hit and will not back down from running in hard and bowling effort balls.

That’s being said, if am with you bro. I love this guy’s passion and I really wish he went to England. I have a feeling if he did get picked, he will do well there under decent conditions.

And now that Amir has lost that inswing in to righties, he is none better than the other left arm pacers in the team.

I remember the PSL game but then again, it was T20's and I've said time and again; short boundaries, powerplays, aggressive, carefree batsmen, big bats, batsman friendly rules - what do you expect? The likes of Steyn, Malinga, Starc and Akhtar have been destroyed in this format. How can you expect Shinwari not to be?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Superb bowling figures of 4-49 from 10 overs from Usman Shinwari. In this series Shinwari's economy rate is a very impressive 4.75 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1112365901070905344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[JibranAnsari]

He is a good bowler especially when you look at pakistans bowling reserves , do not judge players based on fun t20 cricket.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

As long as he keeps performing, you cant ignore him.

I think Amir and Shinwari will make the WC team.

Junaid ruined it for himself today.

 

[ExpressPacer]

The mans average continues to improve and has a good economy too. We don't have bowlers that take wickets in bunches, yet in 15 games, this man already has 3 4fers (should've been a 5fer today, dropped catches) and 1 5fer.

 

[Stewie]

Ok.. I admit I may have been thinking about his T20 performances.. so in my book, he should be a shoo in in for the World Cup now. I wish Junaid had done better as well. I would take him over Amir. Heck I would take Hasnain over Amir right now.

 

[Rana]

Allan Border on UKS

"I think he has been impressive in all the innings he has bowled in, given that Pakistan have had their issues

So, I think if you were trialing him in particular, then he has done everything asked of him

He's bowled really well, and I know he had a difficult recent T20 competition (PSL)

But, it just looks like he has something about him; good pace and he rushes in"

 

[Plumb]

Still don’t see him winning games in WC and shouldn’t be in playing 11. He is wahab 2.0

 

[Sadozai]

During PSL i was really ****** off due to shinwari and rizwan's worst performances because they both were playing for my team KK. But it is clearly evident that in ODIs both of them are better then lot of overrated free passengers in the Pakistani squad.

 

[Stewie]

Nice of AB.. that’s a ringing endorsement.

Interesting he noticed the same thing we are all saying . Shinwari RUNS in hard... every ball.

Afridi, shinwari, hasan, Hasnain, faheem would be a more balanced pace attack in my book.. righties, lefties, pace seamers.. swing bowlers pretty much all bases covered.

 

[ARK Rafay]

He is the second coming of Umar Gul. Awesome once in rhythm, but gets wrecked once the batsmen get the better of him.

Such mentally weak bowlers are a huge risk. Especially in the UK where you cannot bowl short and reverse swing doesn't play much of a role.

Gul had good patches and years. With UKS you never know what will happen until the match happens

 

[Square Drive]

But but but Amir > UKS right?

 

[Muhammad10]

But but but Amir > UKS right?

If only Amir's recent bowling average was his batting average, he'd be a better batsman than Kohli.

 

[Sherlock]

Both Amir and Shinwari will in the WC squad. Put your house on it.

I think they'll also include Abbas because of the swinging conditions.

Hasan Ali, Shaheen Shah Afridi are stick ons to start. The rest are up in the air

 

[Slim]

Azhar said two spots to fill from hasnain, junaid , shinwari, abbas and amir.

Based on this series, it will be amir and shinwari. Not that i am happy about this but with our limited choices, this is what we got.

How on earth its Amir and not Junaid? What has Amir achieved?

 

[ExpressPacer]

During PSL i was really ****** off due to shinwari and rizwan's worst performances because they both were playing for my team KK. But it is clearly evident that in ODIs both of them are better then lot of overrated free passengers in the Pakistani squad.

PSL or even T20i's should not be the benchmark for selection to the ODI team. It is an entirely different ball game in 50 over cricket.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Gul had good patches and years. With UKS you never know what will happen until the match happens

Except for T20's Gul used to get eaten up by Indians or in general in important games. Both like to bowl short of a length because of their pace.

In general both are rhythmical bowlers. Once batters take them on and they lose the first battle it only goes downwards from there on.

 

[PakLFC]

Every bowler blows hot and cold. He is much better then Amir that is for sure.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I would take Usman Shinwari, he's bowled this series and specially today.

 

[aloo paratha]

Shinwari and Junaid should go to the world Cup over Amir.

 

[Chokli]

Usman Shinwari
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Faheem Ashraf - Should go to Wahab Riaz

 

[Savak]

If Shinwari can rediscover the prodigious swing he showed early on in his career, he will be lethal

 

[Forum363]

Usman Shinwari
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Faheem Ashraf - Should go to Wahab Riaz

Sorry, when was the last time Wahab performed with the ball in ODIs?

 

[Chokli]

Sorry, when was the last time Wahab performed with the ball in ODIs?

Never but I don't see any other viable option.

Hasnain is too green.
Musa is too green.
Faheem is not an all rounder and not good enough a bowler to be in the side for bowling alone.
Junaid is past his best.

Wahab at least has performed in consecutive World Cups, to his credit.

 

[Stewie]

Unbelievable people still want wahab ...

 

[Forum363]

Never but I don't see any other viable option.

Hasnain is too green.
Musa is too green.
Faheem is not an all rounder and not good enough a bowler to be in the side for bowling alone.
Junaid is past his best.

Wahab at least has performed in consecutive World Cups, to his credit.

So you want someone who has NEVER performed and is quite old for a fast bowler, to be selected over:

- Two young bowlers with good pace who have potential and may surprise you, and in the worst case will learn from the experience.

- Faheem who has actually proven to be a handy bowler, and a okay pinch hitter at the end

- Junaid who was brilliant in the champions trophy, and has won us ODI games in the past.

On a side note, your post actually highlights perfectly what I call the ‘Pakistani uncle’ mentality. Where everyone has an opinion which they are willing to state confidently but is not backed up by anything.

You see it all the time with ex players and those in the media asking why a certain player isn’t recalled. Some of the players from the recent past who have benefited from this include Shehzad, the Akmal brothers, Hafeez, Wahab, Gul, Malik to name but a few.

 

[Manager101]

Unbelievable people still want wahab ...

In David Lloyd's voice "Woahaabb"

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unbelievable people still want wahab ...

Wahab offers pure pace and genuine death bowling threat. I'm still a bit concerned all of Pakistan's pacers look easy to smash when the last 10 over charge is on, but Shinwari has won me round somewhat in this series. He needs to be bowling in the 140's though, if he starts bowling in the 130kph range like he did in the first game, he is just easy pickings.

 

[Chokli]

So you want someone who has NEVER performed and is quite old for a fast bowler, to be selected over:

-Two young bowlers with good pace who have potential and may surprise you, and in the worst case will learn from the experience.

The World Cup is no place for experiments.

- Faheem who has actually proven to be a handy bowler, and a okay pinch hitter at the end

- Junaid who was brilliant in the champions trophy, and has won us ODI games in the past.

Please give me an example of his pinch hitting? He's not good enough to be in the side on bowling alone when there are better players available. He's fooled everyone into thinking he can bat.

Yes but now we have Shaheen and Junaid is injury prone. The games he has won us in the past was years and years ago. Junaid is finished.

On a side note, your post actually highlights perfectly what I call the ‘Pakistani uncle’ mentality. Where everyone has an opinion which they are willing to state confidently but is not backed up by anything.

Yet you try to justify Junaid and Faheems selection by not backing it up with anything substantial.

You see it all the time with ex players and those in the media asking why a certain player isn’t recalled. Some of the players from the recent past who have benefited from this include Shehzad, the Akmal brothers, Hafeez, Wahab, Gul, Malik to name but a few.

And what has Hafeez done wrong?

 

[Arsalan Pro]

If he is selected in the WC Squad, the 5 games against England before the WC will surely be a real test for him. Let's see how he performs there.

On a side note, I still think Shinwari can prove very costly for us and single handedly take us out of the WC.

 

[Forum363]

The World Cup is no place for experiments.



Please give me an example of his pinch hitting? He's not good enough to be in the side on bowling alone when there are better players available. He's fooled everyone into thinking he can bat.

Yes but now we have Shaheen and Junaid is injury prone. The games he has won us in the past was years and years ago. Junaid is finished.



Yet you try to justify Junaid and Faheems selection by not backing it up with anything substantial.



And what has Hafeez done wrong?

(I am replying on my phone so allow me to address your points in order below)

1. I agree, but if the choice is between a proven failure at the international level against youngsters with potential, I would definitely ‘experiment’. What’s the worst that can happen, they will do as bad as Wahab?

2. Well Faheem unlike Wahab has not played as many matches for Pakistan. However he has played a few innings of 20 odd which involved some well timed sixes, which combined with his innings in PSL and his test innings, suggest he has it in him to be a average pinch hitter good for the odd little cameo. If however he continues to not perform with the bat, then he can be re-assessed as a bowler only. There are better bowlers available... but Wahab is not one of them.

3. Junaid was brilliant in the Champions trophy which was in similar conditions less than 2 years ago. Also you’re missing the point, I wouldn’t pick Junaid for the World Cup. I wouldn’t pick Musa. I would be on the fence with picking Hasnain. But when compared to Wahab, there is no competition. You know what you will get with Wahab, guaranteed failure. When Wahab played in that opening CT match for Pakistan, I was there live. He was absolutely awful.

4. Hafeez has used his connections to continue batting in the top order when anyone can tell you he is not suited to playing the new ball. I haven’t looked into the stats in detail but he should not have played for us as much as he has and I am confident I can verify that if needed.

 

[hitthestump]

Unbelievable people still want wahab ...

When certain players don't play they get hyped to the moon. All of a sudden Wahab Riaz is being talked about as if he's the 2nd coming of Wasim Akram.

 

[cririri]

Shinwari will get tonked if he goes to the wc,he is a short ball bowling machine,with his pace it's useful on this pitches where the ball held back but on truer pitches he will get tonked.

 

[Stewie]

They will all get tonked.. if you look at how ODI cricket is being played these days they all go for runs.. An eco rate of 6 is par now.. as long as he stays below that, he is a keeper in my book.

I think there is little difference between our second stringers and yes only Afridi is our first stringer.. I even consider hasan as a second stringer... so shinwari May give you plus minus 10 runs gap when compared with other bowlers, which is par in my book. Where I like him is his perseverance.. he doesn’t go intro his shell like amir if batsmen look aggressive.

 

[The Viper]

He has the ability to take four wickets on his day. But the fact that he can be reckless is worrying. Still should be in the squad over Junaid.

 

[PakHammer]

Shinwari at least gives it his all when bowling. Most of the others dont give that impression especially Amir.

But Amir is seduced by status and may turn it in on in the World Cup rather than quite frankly boring ODI series's.

 

[moghul]

Terrible or brilliant, he has booked a ticket to WC with his performance today. The two bowlers selected will be amir and shinwari

yes, here are final five
1-Shaheen
2-Hasan
3-Faheem ( don;t know why )
4-Shinwari
5-Amir.

 

[Suleiman]

He’s got the Umar Gul genes. Even then he’s a discount Umar Gul right now (talking about peak Gul not the current one)

 

[Savak]

He has the ability to take four wickets on his day. But the fact that he can be reckless is worrying. Still should be in the squad over Junaid.

To win games you need Shinwari type bursts where he gets 3-4 quick wickets in 2 overs.

 

[Adijazz1706]

He's clearly a sureshot 3rd pacer for the WC after Hasan and Shaheen, Fahim/Talat/Yamin is the fight for pacy all-rounder with Shadab and Imad as spinners, hence 6 bowlers

 

[hadi123]

In ODI's he can be okay but he really needs to cut out the no-balls, we could have won that 5th ODI vs SA had he not overstepped when he got QDK out likewise could have won the game when he got maxwell out on a no ball.

 

[Ronaldo7]

In ODI's he can be okay but he really needs to cut out the no-balls, we could have won that 5th ODI vs SA had he not overstepped when he got QDK out likewise could have won the game when he got maxwell out on a no ball.

He should be inspired from Bumrah. After the no ball incident bumrah has significantly reduced the no of no balls he's bowled. I don't even remember him bowling any no balls after CT17.

 

[hadi123]

He should be inspired from Bumrah. After the no ball incident bumrah has significantly reduced the no of no balls he's bowled. I don't even remember him bowling any no balls after CT17.

I do remember hearing about him taking another wicket on a no ball in some match