Usman Qadir - an option for Test cricket?

[Saj]

His first class stats are no doubt awful - averaging 51.15 with the ball.

However he looks a different bowler these days compared to the bowler we saw a few years ago.

Do you think he's worth a try in Test cricket or is he a white-ball specialist?

 

[Major]

The last time i enjoyed spin bowling was when saeed ajmal would bamboozle the batsmen. Thats what usman did today.

However, i dont think he is ready for test
He needs to prove himself in domestic first class. Taking him in the test means we will be taking a big risk.

I would first test usman now in odis right away.

 

[shady]

No, Yasir for all his faults is still the best leggie in Test Cricket. Usman shouldn't displace him so easily.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

not until he is a couple of seasons old

Nouman and Yasir plus Sajjid should play ... i am fully committed to giving domestic performers a chance after seeing Nauman and Hassan Ali (post injury) perform

having said tht, Given Qadir+Baber friendship, it will eventually happen..

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Need consistent performances first in domestic.

Experimenting hasn't done us much good. Do not need another Naseem Shah. Needs to show some maturity in FC first.

T20 is about variations but the longer format is about consistent lines and patience. Does he have that? I guess we will see later on.

Also spinners like Sajid Khan, Zahid Mahmood deserve it a lot more.

 

[Stewie]

I would definitely take a punt on this kid! He can spin it BOTH ways! When did we last have a spin bowler who could do it and not get his action questioned? Kaneria maybe?? How long ago was that? I honestly would fast track him into the team and let him improve from there. He has the necessary ingredients.

 

[Titan24]

Definitely can be an option in future if he prepares himself for the longer format. Would like him to play next season of the QAE, couldnt play much at all this year as he was with the squad in NZ.

Really enjoy watching him bowl when he is in his zone, a true exhibition of leg spin bowling in white ball cricket.

 

[aloo paratha]

If he plays one or two seasons of FC cricket and does well, I don't see why not. Currently though, he's not an option.

 

[Bewal Express]

Showed alot today. He needs to bowl alot in FC but he certainly has the raw materials. He spun the leg break sharply and his Googly was excellent. I still say he isnt as fit as he could be, needs to lose around a stone

 

[Major]

Over the years watching imad nawaz and shadab has made us believe that the tracks have nothing for spinners.

Than i saw usman get the break, that break wasnt there for nawaz. It was evident that usman jad very good skills that in dew conditions he could spin it.

I really wamt pakistan to move on from the likes of imad and nawaz which are just equivalent of mohammad hafeez type bowling.

Good for part time but not as main.

 

[BigShak]

And then you will be the first one to complain that we're picking players in one format for performances in a totally different one.

Let him play FC cricket and prove himself first there.

 

[mastimasti]

Usman Qadir has not played FC cricket in almost 2 seasons. Did he not also once have designs to play for Australia?

He needs to play at least a season of first class cricket in Pakistan before he even has a discussion on being in the test squad. There are also at better FC spinners who deserve a go.

 

[Stewie]

Over the years watching imad nawaz and shadab has made us believe that the tracks have nothing for spinners.

Than i saw usman get the break, that break wasnt there for nawaz. It was evident that usman jad very good skills that in dew conditions he could spin it.

I really wamt pakistan to move on from the likes of imad and nawaz which are just equivalent of mohammad hafeez type bowling.

Good for part time but not as main.

Very well said, sir. We didn’t just have a fast bowling legacy, but our spin bowling history is a matter of pride as well with big turners and innovators like qadir, Mushy, Saqi, etc.
our recent reliance on non spinning so called spinners is really a matter of shame. These nothing bowlers don’t do much except try and hold one end. The wicket takers are the ones who actually spin it and we need some of them right now.

 

[MenInG]

Usman speaking at end of the match:

"I wanted to bowl with variations and that's how it happened and the Almighty helped me in that"

"Yes, there was dew but we had prepared for that and the practice that we put under the guidance of Saqlain Mushtaq and Misbah-ul-Haq came in handy tonight"

"Rizwan was telling me not to bowl with too much force as when I had done that before, the ball had bounced too far down the pitch, so I didnt do that again and bowled with more variation"

 

[Stewie]

Usman Qadir has not played FC cricket in almost 2 seasons. Did he not also once have designs to play for Australia?

He needs to play at least a season of first class cricket in Pakistan before he even has a discussion on being in the test squad. There are also at better FC spinners who deserve a go.

Where are these better spinners? I don’t see them anywhere. Either our board is totally inept at recognizing talent or we don’t have any better wrist spinners. Why are we playing nauman who looks like he is about to retire.

By spinners, I mean bowlers who can turn the ball.

 

[hitthestump]

Where are these better spinners? I don’t see them anywhere. Either our board is totally inept at recognizing talent or we don’t have any better wrist spinners. Why are we playing nauman who looks like he is about to retire.

By spinners, I mean bowlers who can turn the ball.

Sajid Khan can turn the ball. I guess Misbah wanted Nauman so he could replicate the role that Rehman played so successfully in the UAE for him.

 

[Baigel]

Shadab did the same thing in his first few T20I matches. He’s gonna have to perform against the big dogs to prove himself

 

[Stewie]

Shadab could spin the ball a lot when he first debuted but lately he isn’t turning it much and his bowling has suffered. I think he is focusing on his batting more.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Over the years watching imad nawaz and shadab has made us believe that the tracks have nothing for spinners.

Than i saw usman get the break, that break wasnt there for nawaz. It was evident that usman jad very good skills that in dew conditions he could spin it.

I really wamt pakistan to move on from the likes of imad and nawaz which are just equivalent of mohammad hafeez type bowling.

Good for part time but not as main.

Imad would be the first one to tell you that he is not a spinner.

 

[Saj]

Regarding Usman, what I was suggesting was that obviously he's not ready immediately for a Test call up, but could he be an option in future?

 

[Bewal Express]

Regarding Usman, what I was suggesting was that obviously he's not ready immediately for a Test call up, but could he be an option in future?

They need to have a plan for him to play lots of FC and bowl lots of overs.

 

[Titan24]

"Rizwan was telling me not to bowl with too much force as when I had done that before, the ball had bounced too far down the pitch, so I didnt do that again and bowled with more variation"

Thats something Usman needs to work upon, as once the international players are more familiarized with his bowling and variations he would sometimes need to be a bit quicker in the year. Rashid Latif said that in post match as well and also that this is what Shadab does better.

 

[Zaz]

Regarding Usman, what I was suggesting was that obviously he's not ready immediately for a Test call up, but could he be an option in future?

He could be He needs to play fc for a couple of years and learn the art of taking test wickets

Having variations is one thing but at the test level batters arent gonna gift wickets You have to get them out, it isnt variations that get batters out but consistentcy plans and patience

If he has a good couple of seasons of fc cricket sure get him in

 

[cricketAXEpert]

His first class stats are no doubt awful - averaging 51.15 with the ball.

However he looks a different bowler these days compared to the bowler we saw a few years ago.

Do you think he's worth a try in Test cricket or is he a white-ball specialist?

He may not be ready yet, but we Definitely need a replacement for Yasir Shah on the bench. Yasir can be deadly but also ineffective. He was deadly on Karachi Pitch but Rawalpindi he could manage just one wicket. On tours Yasir often becomes easily negotiable for the oppostion. So Another youngster Leg Spinner is required, waiting in the wings to Bambozzle.

 

[Hasan123]

He is going to need to play first class cricket so we can make a fair judgment.

 

[Mamoon]

The last time he went through the rigors of FC cricket, he flopped hard, played the victim card and announced his aspirations to represent Australia.

However, after Australia gave him a reality-check, he is now back in Pakistan and got picked only because he is Babar’s close friend.

As a matter of principle, he should have never been allowed to play for Pakistan after his flop stunt, but now that he is back and got the chance that he did not deserve, there is no way he should be allowed a shortcut into the Test team based on outfoxing a bunch of inexperienced players of spin.

He will get his chance against top players soon and we will see where he stands as a bowler.

If he is interested in Test cricket then he needs to put in the hard yards in FC cricket and this time prove himself without throwing tantrums and playing victim.

 

[Bilal7]

It's worth a shot. Pakistan's spin bowling stocks in test cricket are woeful, especially with Shah on his last legs.

A far cry from the days of Ajmal and Abdul Rehman and then Yasir Shah's peak.

 

[Smudger]

The last time he went through the rigors of FC cricket, he flopped hard, played the victim card and announced his aspirations to represent Australia.

However, after Australia gave him a reality-check, he is now back in Pakistan and got picked only because he is Babar’s close friend.

As a matter of principle, he should have never been allowed to play for Pakistan after his flop stunt, but now that he is back and got the chance that he did not deserve, there is no way he should be allowed a shortcut into the Test team based on outfoxing a bunch of inexperienced players of spin.

He will get his chance against top players soon and we will see where he stands as a bowler.

If he is interested in Test cricket then he needs to put in the hard yards in FC cricket and this time prove himself without throwing tantrums and playing victim.

You are right but he defenately has the ability to spin the ball. How do you rate him?

 

[Mamoon]

You are right but he defenately has the ability to spin the ball. How do you rate him?

I cannot be unbiased here because I detest him. In fact, I can barely watch when he is bowling.

 

[DeadBall]

I cannot be unbiased here because I detest him. In fact, I can barely watch when he is bowling.

I also detested the whole Australia debacle but beggars can't be choosers I guess. He looks like a wily character though and I have a feeling that he is going to go the Mohd Amir route.

 

[nextover666666]

Needs to be given a consistent run at limited overs cricket once he is a permanent fixture in limited overs can be given a go in test

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Good bowler for t20 and odis but in tests i'd trial Zahid

 

[UzmanBeast]

I cannot be unbiased here because I detest him. In fact, I can barely watch when he is bowling.

It's an understandable feeling to be honest, but I think that he needs to prove himself at the domestic level first before we can even think about him making the test team.

Something tells me that one of Shadab or Imad might get benched for T20Is soon, especially if Usman can take a fair few wickets this series.

Will definitely be an interesting PSL for our spin department, have about 6 people competing for slots (Usman Qadir, Shadab Khan, Imad Wasim, Mohammad Nawaz, Zafar Gohar, Zahid Mahmood).

 

[Saj]

I wonder if the death of his father made him realise that he wasn't the cricketer that his father wanted him to be and that he needed to knuckle down, forget the dream to play in Australia and instead focus on working hard and utilising his skills properly.

 

[Mamoon]

It's an understandable feeling to be honest, but I think that he needs to prove himself at the domestic level first before we can even think about him making the test team.

Something tells me that one of Shadab or Imad might get benched for T20Is soon, especially if Usman can take a fair few wickets this series.

Will definitely be an interesting PSL for our spin department, have about 6 people competing for slots (Usman Qadir, Shadab Khan, Imad Wasim, Mohammad Nawaz, Zafar Gohar, Zahid Mahmood).

The team management will soon face a conundrum. They were comfortable with Shadab and Imad as the two spinners but the Usman has changed the dynamics.

He has only played against inexperienced players of spin so far, but he will definitely get his chance in the WT20 against the top sides just to see what is capable of.

It is hard to see Pakistan going with three spinners, so indeed Imad or Shadab could soon find themselves out of the playing XI at least for a brief period.

Nevertheless, competition is always good. I just wish it someone else providing the competition though, not someone who left to represent Australia before realizing the grass was not greener Down Under.

 

[gazza619]

Regarding Usman, what I was suggesting was that obviously he's not ready immediately for a Test call up, but could he be an option in future?

Good thread and I was thinking the same thing today.

Usman should not be tried in test cricket until he proves his metal in first class cricket. Perhaps M Wasim has already told him that.

Usman already looks twice as fit as he was before so clearly he may have big ambitions.

 

[Maher96]

I wonder if the death of his father made him realise that he wasn't the cricketer that his father wanted him to be and that he needed to knuckle down, forget the dream to play in Australia and instead focus on working hard and utilising his skills properly.

Think it would have been nice for him to play for Pakistan when his father was alive but did he bowl well today.

Happy for him, has come leaps and bounds.

Think Austrialia would take him anyway in current form.

 

[Mamoon]

Think it would have been nice for him to play for Pakistan when his father was alive but did he bowl well today.

Happy for him, has come leaps and bounds.

Think Austrialia would take him anyway in current form.

Zampa is great. They don’t need Usman.

 

[Barragan]

Nowhere near good enough for Tests!!

Tell him to do something in FC for 2 or 3 seasons, then he can be picked.

There are many spinners better than him.

 

[Shaka81]

Genuine question.... would he even be interested in playing Test cricket? He doesn't really play first class cricket so maybe he prefers to be a limited overs specialist.
It wouldn't make sense to select him for tests until he performs in domestic first class cricket.

 

[azimiqbal]

I think it’s definitely worth getting him to play 4 - day cricket , he does have all attributes to be a top bowler , has lovely loop , variety and height meaning will get more bounce

 

[hur rizvi]

His first class stats are no doubt awful - averaging 51.15 with the ball.

However he looks a different bowler these days compared to the bowler we saw a few years ago.

Do you think he's worth a try in Test cricket or is he a white-ball specialist?

No not with these awful stats. Enough of these intuition based selections.

Give him a go in ODIs and let him play First class next season before even thinking about test selection

 

[moghul]

Wrist spinners mature late, it takes years and years of FC cricket to master the art or RA leg spin, there is no short .

Yasir made his test debut after 13-14 seasons of FC cricket . Shadab tried a short cut, unsuccessfully.

At 27, Usman is still very young for a leg spinner, needs to play lots if FC cricket to make it to the tests.

 

[Sir-fraz]

The last time he went through the rigors of FC cricket, he flopped hard, played the victim card and announced his aspirations to represent Australia.

However, after Australia gave him a reality-check, he is now back in Pakistan and got picked only because he is Babar’s close friend.

As a matter of principle, he should have never been allowed to play for Pakistan after his flop stunt, but now that he is back and got the chance that he did not deserve, there is no way he should be allowed a shortcut into the Test team based on outfoxing a bunch of inexperienced players of spin.

He will get his chance against top players soon and we will see where he stands as a bowler.

If he is interested in Test cricket then he needs to put in the hard yards in FC cricket and this time prove himself without throwing tantrums and playing victim.

How can babar judge him as a spinne when he himself struggles against avg spinners lol.
But seriously im sick and tried of "friends" getting a free pass into the team without putting in their time in domestics.

This is why we will never become a top team.

 

[NoBallZombie]

He has got good variations but he also seems to lack patience as evident by his theatrics of leaving for Australia in addition to trying too many things in an over. He rightly needs to play domestic and be an understudy of Yasir until Yasir retires. In addition, he needs to put some effort in the fitness.

 

[Sir-fraz]

The last time he went through the rigors of FC cricket, he flopped hard, played the victim card and announced his aspirations to represent Australia.

However, after Australia gave him a reality-check, he is now back in Pakistan and got picked only because he is Babar’s close friend.

As a matter of principle, he should have never been allowed to play for Pakistan after his flop stunt, but now that he is back and got the chance that he did not deserve, there is no way he should be allowed a shortcut into the Test team based on outfoxing a bunch of inexperienced players of spin.

He will get his chance against top players soon and we will see where he stands as a bowler.

If he is interested in Test cricket then he needs to put in the hard yards in FC cricket and this time prove himself without throwing tantrums and playing victim.

How can babar judge him as a spinner when he himself struggles against avg spinners lol.
But seriously im sick and tired of "friends" getting a free pass into the team without putting in their time in domestics.

This is why we will never become a top team.

 

[Mainul]

This lad is a talent. His first class record may look like very ordinary but he will definitely improve his stats if he is given chance regularly. I think he can be brought in the test squad as a 2nd spinner along with Yesir.

 

[moghul]

Looking at his history, don;t think he is interested in longer version of cricket.

 

[silent ischemia]

Over the years watching imad nawaz and shadab has made us believe that the tracks have nothing for spinners.

Than i saw usman get the break, that break wasnt there for nawaz. It was evident that usman jad very good skills that in dew conditions he could spin it.

I really wamt pakistan to move on from the likes of imad and nawaz which are just equivalent of mohammad hafeez type bowling.

Good for part time but not as main.

Nawaz, Usman..... Comparing oranges with apples

 

[Usman]

I wonder if the death of his father made him realise that he wasn't the cricketer that his father wanted him to be and that he needed to knuckle down, forget the dream to play in Australia and instead focus on working hard and utilising his skills properly.

Maybe, but i doubt it. I think his lack of performance, and therefore selection, in Australia forced him back to Pakistan. He looks promising no doubt, but unless he performs well in First Class cricket, he should be nowhere near the test team. Same goes for Harris Rauf who found himself in the test squad.

Nauman and Sajid have toiled for years and have outstanding records. If Usman wants to leapfrog them, he has to prove that he is better than them with his First Class performances. It's that simple.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Regarding Usman, what I was suggesting was that obviously he's not ready immediately for a Test call up, but could he be an option in future?

3 years from now (3 years of first class cricket) then maybe, yes. This will roundabout be the time that Yasir is retiring.

 

[MenInG]

I am becoming a fan of Usman - a move to Tests would be great but only when he is ready, we dont want another version of Yasir (sometimes good sometimes/mostly bad)

 

[kingusama92]

He needs 2-3 seasons in domestic cricket before being an option.

Some guys look like a million bucks in T20 cricket and flop in Tests (i.e. Imran Tahir). It's a completely different format.

 

[UzmanBeast]

The team management will soon face a conundrum. They were comfortable with Shadab and Imad as the two spinners but the Usman has changed the dynamics.

He has only played against inexperienced players of spin so far, but he will definitely get his chance in the WT20 against the top sides just to see what is capable of.

It is hard to see Pakistan going with three spinners, so indeed Imad or Shadab could soon find themselves out of the playing XI at least for a brief period.

Nevertheless, competition is always good. I just wish it someone else providing the competition though, not someone who left to represent Australia before realizing the grass was not greener Down Under.

Yeah, if Usman Qadir came from the Pakistani domestic system on the back of performances, I'd have understood, but he went to play for Australia and came running back when the conditions there were horrendous for leg-spinners.

If it were possible to isolate Shadab's and Usman's bowling, and make a comparison, Usman flights the ball quite a lot more than Shadab and that's how he gets more turn. However, when you flight the ball so much in T20, if your length is too full, expect to get hammered against players who play spin quite well. He's bowled to the Saffers and Zimbos who don't know how to read the spin, but when someone can read his spin (domestic cricket stats prove this), he has a harder time bowling.

Personally, I think Usman sits on the bench for me right now because Shadab as an all-rounder is very versatile and if he can improve his bowling to contain runs, he'd be a better option for the WC. Chahal is another bowler who flights the ball considerably, and we saw in Australia how badly he got hammered.

Shadab already has 50+ wickets in T20I and has played against almost all the big teams, so I think he's a better pick. At the age of 22, he's played about 46 games, so he's an integral part of this team.

Imad is extremely economical in the powerplay, so he makes the list there automatically.

Nawaz bowled well, and so this PSL will be very interesting as our T20 team moves forward.

 

[ChTab]

His first class stats are no doubt awful - averaging 51.15 with the ball.

However he looks a different bowler these days compared to the bowler we saw a few years ago.

Do you think he's worth a try in Test cricket or is he a white-ball specialist?

Let him play at least 2 seasons of 1st class cricket & then he can come into the test side. BTW I don't think he really wants to be a test player he looks pretty content with just playing international T20's & T20 leagues around the globe.

 

[shamaan]

Good bowler for t20 and odis but in tests i'd trial Zahid

Zahid went at 4 rpo i belive in qaid e azam

 

[Canistani Hero]

Regarding Usman, what I was suggesting was that obviously he's not ready immediately for a Test call up, but could he be an option in future?

Only if he plays atleast 1 full season of FC cricket. It appears he himself only wants to be a limited overs specialist.

 

[shamaan]

Needs to play full 2-3 seasons of domestic.yasir will retire in 2 years i think

 

[mastimasti]

Where are these better spinners? I don’t see them anywhere. Either our board is totally inept at recognizing talent or we don’t have any better wrist spinners. Why are we playing nauman who looks like he is about to retire.

By spinners, I mean bowlers who can turn the ball.

Nauman Ali, wrong side of 30 has a great FC career and a very good debut. There's Zahid Mahmood one of the highest wicket takers in the Q&E, Sajid Khan who bowls well and has a terrific average last season...there's plenty of options outside of 50 averaging Usman Qadir.

 

[Bewal Express]

It was interesting to UQ bowl around the wicket to Miller and he nearly turned the ball square. This was with a slippery ball on a dampish wicket with a little bit of turn. If UQ plays a little more FC, we could have a real prospect.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Highly skilful but lacks control a bit too much , don't think he will be ready for test cricket in next 2 years.

 

[MenInG]

Has a good few years of cricket left in him but will he be another one who goes to the US?

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Born: August 10, 1993 (age 30 years), Lahore, Pakistan

 

[Bewal Express]

Qadir is the most talented leg spinner in PK but he has little control and because of that he will just drift along until he disappears. He cannot an over with at least 2 bad balls. He needs to go back to the Richie Benaud mantra of putting down a 10p and hitting it all day long. Back to basics

 

[Major]

His line and length is terrible. While he does spin the ball, he only bowls 2 balls in the right place in an over. Rest are full tosses or half pitches

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I am always in favor of Usman being tried in Test cricket. The way he bowls is more suitable for the longer format of the game.

Most importantly we don't have any conventional leg spinner available in Test team other than Abrar who is more like a finger spinner and not a big turner of the ball. So why not give Usman a chance?