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I really feel Babar Azam, the limited overs batsman, is reaching new heights. He was always very good in both formats. But recently, pushed by criticism from everywhere, he has developped his game even more.

You look the recent scores he is making in ODI and T20's series in SA and England, the SR, the class, everything is combined. Some of the outstanding performances in them :
103 vs SA
94 vs SA
158 vs England.
122 from 59 to chase 204 in T20's
85 from 49 yestarday

I am loving the way he is answering everything with his bat. We are so lucky to have him.
Even on PakPassion, that is supposed to be a pakistani forum, every threab regarding on him on first 2/3 pages is negative. I think that may have helped him become the cricketer he is becoming.
 
Definitely. He is no more an accumulator in the T20s and has shown that he has the ability to change gears anytime. Hope he continues with this approach , will be great for the team.
 
What heights? He was a complete failure against England reserves until the ODI series was alive.

Pakistan needed that 158 in the first or second ODI, not when the series was over.

It was a dead-rubber performance, nothing noteworthy.

He is soft and needs to do more to justify the hype. His performances also lack any sort of real impact.
 
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What heights? He was a complete failure against England reserves until the ODI series was alive.

Pakistan needed that 158 in the first or second ODI, not when the series was over.

It was a dead-rubber performance, nothing noteworthy.

He is soft and needs to do more to justify the hype. His performances also lack any sort of real impact.

The only thing he has to show for in his 6 year old career so far is one World Cup game vs New Zealand on a farmer wicket that was specifically designed by the curators to keep Pakistan in the tournament.

to be fair, he got a really good ball in the 2nd ODI. Not much any batsman could do about that. He was looking good for his short stay.
 
I am not yet entirely sold on his ability to chase big totals or accelerate against good bowling attacks.

But that said, he is showing improvement in his ability to accelerate innings and change gears, even if the bowling may not be the most challenging. So there are signs of improvement already.

For the record, I do think Babar can play good bowling attacks and even post big scores against them, but I just don't think he is the guy who can score at a high SR against those attacks that he did in his century in the T20 vs SA or his knocks in this tour. He will chase sub 300 totals against good attacks but I'm not sure if he can score quick enough to chase 300+ totals against good attacks. At least not yet..
 
He is a better ODI batsman than Rohit Sharma but inferior to Virat Kohli.

Let's not fool ourselves thinking that Rohit has not feasted on weaker attacks or on flat belters.
 
He is a better ODI batsman than Rohit Sharma but inferior to Virat Kohli.

Let's not fool ourselves thinking that Rohit has not feasted on weaker attacks or on flat belters.
On current form yes but Rohit has decimated bowling attacks in the past demoralizing them into submission. I don't see that trait in Babar Azam...
 
I think he's at the peak of his career. Needs to make most of it. He developed his game but I want him to win more games against bigger teams and develop more impact
 
He needs to play more impact innings in high pressure situations.

Later in the T20 WC, if he can be ruthless with his batting against top teams, it will go a long way.
 
Needs to score some massive hundreds in tests to go to the next level.

Jamodi and t20i innings while good to watch dont take a player to great heights.

Epic test knocks are needed to elevate the stature of a player.
 
I am not yet entirely sold on his ability to chase big totals or accelerate against good bowling attacks.

But that said, he is showing improvement in his ability to accelerate innings and change gears, even if the bowling may not be the most challenging. So there are signs of improvement already.

For the record, I do think Babar can play good bowling attacks and even post big scores against them, but I just don't think he is the guy who can score at a high SR against those attacks that he did in his century in the T20 vs SA or his knocks in this tour. He will chase sub 300 totals against good attacks but I'm not sure if he can score quick enough to chase 300+ totals against good attacks. At least not yet..

Probably a decent assessment. He's not really the type of batsmen who will destroy attacks so I don't really judge him as such. It's a limitation of sorts, but as he is usually the batsman that Pakistan relies on to provide the backbone of the innings it's acceptable considering he still scores at a fair rate most of the time.

My main gripe with him is he adjusts his game when he's approaching milestones. He seems to have a selfish streak where he puts 50's and 100's above the needs of the team sometimes.
 
He is taking criticism very well that's a sign of a high quality batesman and is starting to increase his strike rate.
 
I really feel Babar Azam, the limited overs batsman, is reaching new heights. He was always very good in both formats. But recently, pushed by criticism from everywhere, he has developped his game even more.

You look the recent scores he is making in ODI and T20's series in SA and England, the SR, the class, everything is combined. Some of the outstanding performances in them :
103 vs SA
94 vs SA
158 vs England.
122 from 59 to chase 204 in T20's
85 from 49 yestarday

I am loving the way he is answering everything with his bat. We are so lucky to have him.
Even on PakPassion, that is supposed to be a pakistani forum, every threab regarding on him on first 2/3 pages is negative. I think that may have helped him become the cricketer he is becoming.

I seen one posts were fans were saying he should be dropped in t20s !
 
He has certainly improved his attacking game but still he is nowhere near top 10 loi batsman in terms of ability to play match winning innings.
England's bowling attack in t20 world cup will be : Archer, Wood, Rashid, Woakes, Sam Curran none of these trundlers will be playing.
 
The best batsman Pakistan has produced after Yousef but sadly no where near the top 4. Doesn't convert his starts to big daddy match winning hundreds and doesn't accelerate enough but tbh unlike Kohli, Smith, Root he is not blessed with reliable batsmen to come after him due to which he has to put a massive price on his wicket
 
What heights? He was a complete failure against England reserves until the ODI series was alive.

Pakistan needed that 158 in the first or second ODI, not when the series was over.

It was a dead-rubber performance, nothing noteworthy.

He is soft and needs to do more to justify the hype. His performances also lack any sort of real impact.

The only thing he has to show for in his 6 year old career so far is one World Cup game vs New Zealand on a farmer wicket that was specifically designed by the curators to keep Pakistan in the tournament.

Now that's just an intellectually dishonest thing to say that hurts your own credibility more than anything else
 
Probably a decent assessment. He's not really the type of batsmen who will destroy attacks so I don't really judge him as such. It's a limitation of sorts, but as he is usually the batsman that Pakistan relies on to provide the backbone of the innings it's acceptable considering he still scores at a fair rate most of the time.

My main gripe with him is he adjusts his game when he's approaching milestones. He seems to have a selfish streak where he puts 50's and 100's above the needs of the team sometimes.

I noticed this in first t20, he was going along nicely but from 45-50 it was all nice dabbed singles just to get to 50. Don’t like to bring it up but while watching it seemed obvious
 
No matter what he does certain fans will never be satisfied because that's just how Pakistani fans are. I think that when your team is so utterly mediocre your expectations too should be somewhat tempered.

10 years ago when our ODI batting order featured the likes of Ahmed Shehzad, Kamran Akmal, Younis Khan, Umar Akmal, Asad Shafiq, anyone would have given an arm an a leg to have a batsman like Babar who is world-class in every sense of the world and unquestionably one of tippy-top all-format batsmen.

But ofcourse Pakistan fans being Pakistan fans will always nitpick because that is all they seem to know. Kohli went over a year without scoring a century and no one batted an eye. But Babar who has consistently been improving during the same period and has absolutely superlative numbers in the last few years is somehow not on the level.
 
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And please stop using this strawman 'he doesn't do well in pressure games' argument. Because I've seen how it works. When he does well, its a meaningless bilateral that means absolutely nothing. When he fails, he has somehow failed on the grandest stage of them all. Either decide bilaterals matter, or decide they don't. You can't have it both ways. Stop changing the goal-posts when it suits your argument.

Performing in ICC tournaments should be the barometer for performing under pressure. And last I checked, Babar did outstandingly well in the World Cup: the last ICC tournament. And hey, if he doesn't do well in the T20 World Cup, the narrative that he doesn't step up under pressure will have more credence. Till then though stop using this strawman argument. Especially when he literally hit a match-winning 85 last night at a SR of 173 against a full-strength England side.
 
Played excellently yesterday and is beginning to develop a power game. He is amongst the best in the World because he is reliable with a very good SR and with the developing power game he will always be amongst the best.
 
babar IS a great batsman....

By pakistani standard....

In the same scale, tendu and Kohli will be out of this world and becomes aliens.
 
Definitely getting better and better in the white ball format with each passing day.

Not to forget he is just 26 and is still not entirely in the average peak age of most batsmen so hopefully much more to come.
 
babar IS a great batsman....

By pakistani standard....

In the same scale, tendu and Kohli will be out of this world and becomes aliens.

Remind me, how many ICC tournaments has Kohli won for India? For him to be considered an alien
 
Remind me, how many ICC tournaments has Kohli won for India? For him to be considered an alien


Champions Trophy 2013..

50 in the low scoring semi final and top scorer in the final. :)

Two player of the series' in two consecutive T20 wcs.
 
None.

And that's how poor babar is who even then can't stand against a player who has never performed well for india in wc.

Well Babar has performed exceedingly well for Pakistan in the only World Cup he has played So I don't know where you're making that comparison from...
 
Well Babar has performed exceedingly well for Pakistan in the only World Cup he has played So I don't know where you're making that comparison from...

That's a pakistani expectations from a pakistani batsman.

Indians set higher expectations from our batsman since we are the batting university of circket world.
 
In LOIs, he is doing great but tests remain the ultimate format and to be recognised as an elite cricketer like Fab Four or AB de Villiers, he needs to average close to 50 in test cricket with 20+ test hundreds.
 
India might not have won either if not for the rain in the final.
What an epic fail. India was by far and away, the best team in that tournament. We had bossed every single match starting from the warm-ups and England were extremely lucky for the match to be turned into a T20 with them chasing.

Kohli's innings wasn't particularly great but it was the difference-maker in that final. He also was the only batsman to stand up in next years T20 final disaster where every other batsman forgot how to hold a bat.
 
An attack of Willey, Mahmood, LOL Curran, Gregory, Parkinson, Livingstone is not exactly the benchmark in international cricket. Neither was the one in the last ODI or that second string attack in South Africa. There's nothing wrong with minnow-bashing but you are not going to get the plaudits for that alone.

Babar will have to prove himself against top quality attacks before he gets the praise. I don't see why he can't and he's only just entering his peak so he very well should but until then, pump your brakes.
 
What an epic fail. India was by far and away, the best team in that tournament. We had bossed every single match starting from the warm-ups and England were extremely lucky for the match to be turned into a T20 with them chasing.

Kohli's innings wasn't particularly great but it was the difference-maker in that final. He also was the only batsman to stand up in next years T20 final disaster where every other batsman forgot how to hold a bat.

Being the best team in the tournament means nothing. All that matters is how you do on the day. And India got lucky in the final, which they won by the skin of their teeth. It was a 20 over match that could have gone either way that happened to go their way. And you know what? Credit to them. They were the slightly better team on the day and the more luckier of the two teams too.
 
Murphys law comes in to play eventually at times.

Hmm let's see, India hasn't won an ICC tournament in what, 8 years? Between this time, India has made the semi-final or final of every ICC tournament and has lost every single time. In all these games: the 2014 T20 WC Final, the 2015 WC SF, the 2016 T20 WC SF, the 2017 CT Final, the 2019 WC SF and the 2021 WTC Final; the Indian batting has succeeded on one occasion: the 2016 T20 WC SF, and failed every other time.

So I'd say its become more of a case of the law of averages rather than anything else.
 
In LOIs, he is doing great but tests remain the ultimate format and to be recognised as an elite cricketer like Fab Four or AB de Villiers, he needs to average close to 50 in test cricket with 20+ test hundreds.

Babar as we saw last in England is also technically very good against the moving ball and his innings of 47 at The Rose Bowl showed a level of skill that I haven't seen from many SC batsman in those sort of conditions. What will work against Babar in tests is the paucity of tests against good teams. If he played against the better teams Babar would score many 100s and with style, because he doesn't do ugly.
 
Babar played a fluke inning on a flat wicket against England’s second string attack. I promise you he won’t play this same innings again on this tour. We are very lucky to have a batsmen who gives our awam a delusion that we have unearthed a world class player.
 
Hmm let's see, India hasn't won an ICC tournament in what, 8 years? Between this time, India has made the semi-final or final of every ICC tournament and has lost every single time. In all these games: the 2014 T20 WC Final, the 2015 WC SF, the 2016 T20 WC SF, the 2017 CT Final, the 2019 WC SF and the 2021 WTC Final; the Indian batting has succeeded on one occasion: the 2016 T20 WC SF, and failed every other time.

So I'd say its become more of a case of the law of averages rather than anything else.

Half glass full, half glass empty.

I see it as other teams kicking punch above their level which is due at times.
 
An attack of Willey, Mahmood, LOL Curran, Gregory, Parkinson, Livingstone is not exactly the benchmark in international cricket. Neither was the one in the last ODI or that second string attack in South Africa. There's nothing wrong with minnow-bashing but you are not going to get the plaudits for that alone.

Babar will have to prove himself against top quality attacks before he gets the praise. I don't see why he can't and he's only just entering his peak so he very well should but until then, pump your brakes.

Not calling Babar a world beater but he has a century against Hazelwood, Starc and Co. He also has a century against Bolt, Ferguson, Matt Henry. He also has a century against Archer, Wood. These are the best bowlers you can find. He has scored runs against top quality bowlers. The ability and potential is there
 
Not calling Babar a world beater but he has a century against Hazelwood, Starc and Co. He also has a century against Bolt, Ferguson, Matt Henry. He also has a century against Archer, Wood. These are the best bowlers you can find. He has scored runs against top quality bowlers. The ability and potential is there

Runs must impact winning. Too often they don’t.
 
The problem is that a lot of Pakistanis become very sensitive on posts critical of Babar. Pakistani cricket fans are far more harsh on their batting and bowling coaches and a lot more delicate with their players. I've been to Indian forums and trust me, Indian fans are far more harsh and unforgiving on the performance of their own players and coaches too, but mainly on the players first because they're the ones who impact the game on the field. I mean, the common nickname for Kohli in Indian forums is a name that rhymes with Brett Lee, and it's fully deserved because of the times he has disappointed in knockout matches of ICC tournaments. No one's spared including Bumrah.

My criticism of Babar is not borne out of hatred. I'm far more critical of Kohli given he plays for and sadly captains the team I support. The fact that Babar is one of the best batsmen in world cricket isn't up for debate. I consider him as by far the most elegant batsman in world cricket too, but that's beyond the topic of discussion. The thing is, while Babar is undoubtedly in the top 5 ODI batsmen in world cricket, he has never managed to influence a match when faced with a big target. I follow international cricket and I've never quite remembered a match when Babar chased down a big total. So I went to cricinfo statsguru to check whether my preconceived notions on Babar were right or not. And this is what I found..

He has never managed to chase down a total beyond 290 in ODI cricket and 200 in T20 cricket. These are common qualities you expect from a star batsman, which he is. And when he did manage to chase down a 200+ target the only time in T20 cricket, the attack he faced was largely a second string one with the first choice players having left for the IPL.

In ODIs in successful chases, he averages 75.84, but in chases of above 290+ targets, his average drops down to 37.75 with no big score in a successful chase.

It's the same with T20 cricket in chases above 200, except for the T20 in South Africa when he faced an attack of Magala, Hendricks, Lizaad Williams, etc.

This is a very legitimate criticism and the distinct deficiency of successful chases of big targets is quite glaring for a star batsman like Babar in international cricket. Kohli managed to make his name in ODI cricket while chasing a 330 target under 37 overs vs Malinga and the Asia cup match when he chased down another 330 score vs Pakistan. AB similarly did so in a few ODIs vs Australia. I remember Rohit chasing down a 360 target with Kohli vs Australia.

Kohli has 7 centuries in successful chases of 300+ targets in ODIs.

AB, Rohit, De Kock, Bairstow all have around 2-3 tons in 300+ run successful chases.

Jason Roy (who I think is terribly underrated) incredibly has 5 tons in successful chases of 300+ targets, all at a mind numbingly aggressive strike rate.

Babar has zero tons in 300+ successful chases. It's not just that he has no centuries, but his overall output drops down when chasing big scores. I think I found Sarfaraz with a bigger score while chasing a big target in one of the scorecards. This is not to say that Babar can never chase a big target, it's just that he has never managed to do so till now and I don't think it's hating on Babar to put forward a legitimate criticism of his cv.
 
The problem is that a lot of Pakistanis become very sensitive on posts critical of Babar. Pakistani cricket fans are far more harsh on their batting and bowling coaches and a lot more delicate with their players. I've been to Indian forums and trust me, Indian fans are far more harsh and unforgiving on the performance of their own players and coaches too, but mainly on the players first because they're the ones who impact the game on the field. I mean, the common nickname for Kohli in Indian forums is a name that rhymes with Brett Lee, and it's fully deserved because of the times he has disappointed in knockout matches of ICC tournaments. No one's spared including Bumrah.

My criticism of Babar is not borne out of hatred. I'm far more critical of Kohli given he plays for and sadly captains the team I support. The fact that Babar is one of the best batsmen in world cricket isn't up for debate. I consider him as by far the most elegant batsman in world cricket too, but that's beyond the topic of discussion. The thing is, while Babar is undoubtedly in the top 5 ODI batsmen in world cricket, he has never managed to influence a match when faced with a big target. I follow international cricket and I've never quite remembered a match when Babar chased down a big total. So I went to cricinfo statsguru to check whether my preconceived notions on Babar were right or not. And this is what I found..

He has never managed to chase down a total beyond 290 in ODI cricket and 200 in T20 cricket. These are common qualities you expect from a star batsman, which he is. And when he did manage to chase down a 200+ target the only time in T20 cricket, the attack he faced was largely a second string one with the first choice players having left for the IPL.

In ODIs in successful chases, he averages 75.84, but in chases of above 290+ targets, his average drops down to 37.75 with no big score in a successful chase.

It's the same with T20 cricket in chases above 200, except for the T20 in South Africa when he faced an attack of Magala, Hendricks, Lizaad Williams, etc.

This is a very legitimate criticism and the distinct deficiency of successful chases of big targets is quite glaring for a star batsman like Babar in international cricket. Kohli managed to make his name in ODI cricket while chasing a 330 target under 37 overs vs Malinga and the Asia cup match when he chased down another 330 score vs Pakistan. AB similarly did so in a few ODIs vs Australia. I remember Rohit chasing down a 360 target with Kohli vs Australia.

Kohli has 7 centuries in successful chases of 300+ targets in ODIs.

AB, Rohit, De Kock, Bairstow all have around 2-3 tons in 300+ run successful chases.

Jason Roy (who I think is terribly underrated) incredibly has 5 tons in successful chases of 300+ targets, all at a mind numbingly aggressive strike rate.

Babar has zero tons in 300+ successful chases. It's not just that he has no centuries, but his overall output drops down when chasing big scores. I think I found Sarfaraz with a bigger score while chasing a big target in one of the scorecards. This is not to say that Babar can never chase a big target, it's just that he has never managed to do so till now and I don't think it's hating on Babar to put forward a legitimate criticism of his cv.

All valid points, but babar may never achieve those things because at the end of the day it is a team game. Kohli had the privilege of playing with the greats of modern ODI cricket, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Sehwag, Yuvraj etc. He has the privilege of having Rohit sharma, Dhawan, Raina, etc etc in this team.

Who has babar played with ? Misbah, Azhar ali, Hafeez?

Who does Babar have in the team to back him up down the order ? the great Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf?

Give Babar the same the team kohli has had in the past few years and he just might've done some of those things by now.
 
All valid points, but babar may never achieve those things because at the end of the day it is a team game. Kohli had the privilege of playing with the greats of modern ODI cricket, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Sehwag, Yuvraj etc. He has the privilege of having Rohit sharma, Dhawan, Raina, etc etc in this team.

Who has babar played with ? Misbah, Azhar ali, Hafeez?

Who does Babar have in the team to back him up down the order ? the great Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf?

Give Babar the same the team kohli has had in the past few years and he just might've done some of those things by now.

One who will thrive, will do it regardless of circumstances. If circumstances prevents him from doing it, he doesn't have "it" in him.
 
Half glass full, half glass empty.

I see it as other teams kicking punch above their level which is due at times.

You can keep speaking in truisms all you want but that won't change the reality. And deep down you know it too.
 
babar IS a great batsman....

By pakistani standard....

In the same scale, tendu and Kohli will be out of this world and becomes aliens.

Kohli is still playing and is not that old either. Babar is still in front of him as an overall batsman since already 2 years.
 
Yeah that one is really something for Kohli to hang his hat on...

Lets just say he's underwhelmed as a captain and could do a bit better with all those gestures, postures , celebrations etc...but he's got a few hats, and some awesome achievements -no doubting that...and whilst on Azam who i feel is an awesome champion bat ,will be your mainstay for a long time and is so wonderful to watch, still has some way to go with respect to consistency (am talking all formats esp tests) to catch the others, but yes -he has the potential...
 
It is understandable if Indian fans do not rate Babar.

He has been a complete nobody against India so far.
 
The problem is that a lot of Pakistanis become very sensitive on posts critical of Babar. Pakistani cricket fans are far more harsh on their batting and bowling coaches and a lot more delicate with their players. I've been to Indian forums and trust me, Indian fans are far more harsh and unforgiving on the performance of their own players and coaches too, but mainly on the players first because they're the ones who impact the game on the field. I mean, the common nickname for Kohli in Indian forums is a name that rhymes with Brett Lee, and it's fully deserved because of the times he has disappointed in knockout matches of ICC tournaments. No one's spared including Bumrah.

My criticism of Babar is not borne out of hatred. I'm far more critical of Kohli given he plays for and sadly captains the team I support. The fact that Babar is one of the best batsmen in world cricket isn't up for debate. I consider him as by far the most elegant batsman in world cricket too, but that's beyond the topic of discussion. The thing is, while Babar is undoubtedly in the top 5 ODI batsmen in world cricket, he has never managed to influence a match when faced with a big target. I follow international cricket and I've never quite remembered a match when Babar chased down a big total. So I went to cricinfo statsguru to check whether my preconceived notions on Babar were right or not. And this is what I found..

He has never managed to chase down a total beyond 290 in ODI cricket and 200 in T20 cricket. These are common qualities you expect from a star batsman, which he is. And when he did manage to chase down a 200+ target the only time in T20 cricket, the attack he faced was largely a second string one with the first choice players having left for the IPL.

In ODIs in successful chases, he averages 75.84, but in chases of above 290+ targets, his average drops down to 37.75 with no big score in a successful chase.

It's the same with T20 cricket in chases above 200, except for the T20 in South Africa when he faced an attack of Magala, Hendricks, Lizaad Williams, etc.

This is a very legitimate criticism and the distinct deficiency of successful chases of big targets is quite glaring for a star batsman like Babar in international cricket. Kohli managed to make his name in ODI cricket while chasing a 330 target under 37 overs vs Malinga and the Asia cup match when he chased down another 330 score vs Pakistan. AB similarly did so in a few ODIs vs Australia. I remember Rohit chasing down a 360 target with Kohli vs Australia.

Kohli has 7 centuries in successful chases of 300+ targets in ODIs.

AB, Rohit, De Kock, Bairstow all have around 2-3 tons in 300+ run successful chases.

Jason Roy (who I think is terribly underrated) incredibly has 5 tons in successful chases of 300+ targets, all at a mind numbingly aggressive strike rate.

Babar has zero tons in 300+ successful chases. It's not just that he has no centuries, but his overall output drops down when chasing big scores. I think I found Sarfaraz with a bigger score while chasing a big target in one of the scorecards. This is not to say that Babar can never chase a big target, it's just that he has never managed to do so till now and I don't think it's hating on Babar to put forward a legitimate criticism of his cv.

I agree with your points....so far Babar hasn't been great at chasing big scores and he has to improve in that regard specially against top teams.

But Did Kohli chase those 300+ scores single-handedly??

One guy has Rohit/Dhoni/Dhawan to support him while other has to keep up with the likes of Asif Ali, Faheem, Hafeez, Imam.

Babar has to play cautiously because the whole batting line-up is on his shoulders, he doesn't have freedom that guys like Kohli, Jason Roy, Warner have because there's no one to follow.

As we saw in ODIs, Babar failed in 2 games and Pak struggled to even score 200 against Eng C.

Another thing is Pakistan don't play as many games against top 4 teams so that limits his chance to improve.

Also it's not Babar's fault if some SA players don't value playing for their country and ran away to IPL or Eng players couldn't manage to avoid Covid.....he can only score against those who turn up on field.
 
Kohli is still playing and is not that old either. Babar is still in front of him as an overall batsman since already 2 years.

From personal perspective, I don't rate Kohli THAT high. he's overrated by ppers here
 
There's a very visible improvement in Babar's acceleration in last 2-3 years.

If you compare Babar in 2016 vs now...he has improved his hitting range, strike-rotation and become more dominant against spinners in LoIs.

Still needs to become a bit more ruthless but for that Pakistan needs to find some good batters to support him which can futher free up Babar and make him more confident to take risks.
 
To be honest , I like what Babar has achieved in last 2 years. Scoring 14 hundreds in 80 odd innings in not a small feat. yes he does not have the flair nor the power to play impactful innings, but he is doing job for his team.

I still think he is a good odi and test cricketer than t20 because of his physique and endurance.

He will be watched by all teams in t20 world cup. Let's wait and watch.
 
All valid points, but babar may never achieve those things because at the end of the day it is a team game. Kohli had the privilege of playing with the greats of modern ODI cricket, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Sehwag, Yuvraj etc. He has the privilege of having Rohit sharma, Dhawan, Raina, etc etc in this team.

Who has babar played with ? Misbah, Azhar ali, Hafeez?

Who does Babar have in the team to back him up down the order ? the great Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf?

Give Babar the same the team kohli has had in the past few years and he just might've done some of those things by now.

I agree with your points....so far Babar hasn't been great at chasing big scores and he has to improve in that regard specially against top teams.

But Did Kohli chase those 300+ scores single-handedly??

One guy has Rohit/Dhoni/Dhawan to support him while other has to keep up with the likes of Asif Ali, Faheem, Hafeez, Imam.

Babar has to play cautiously because the whole batting line-up is on his shoulders, he doesn't have freedom that guys like Kohli, Jason Roy, Warner have because there's no one to follow.

As we saw in ODIs, Babar failed in 2 games and Pak struggled to even score 200 against Eng C.

Another thing is Pakistan don't play as many games against top 4 teams so that limits his chance to improve.

Also it's not Babar's fault if some SA players don't value playing for their country and ran away to IPL or Eng players couldn't manage to avoid Covid.....he can only score against those who turn up on field.

Sarfaraz has managed to do it despite coming lower down the order and being a vastly inferior batsman to Babar.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...and-vs-pakistan-5th-odi-913661/full-scorecard

It's not just that he hasn't managed a big score in a successful chase, whenever he has been faced with a stiff target, his output visibly drops, as evident by his average of 37 in chases of 290+ targets. His highest score while chasing a 300+ target is probably his century vs Australia while chasing 360 and that was a match losing innings.
 
He is the only quality batsman in the team at the moment so even if he plays "selfishly" or does not know how to win matches, he is irreplaceable.

As the saying goes, "Andho mein kaana raja"
 
I don't rate most of the top order batsmen, meaning less stats padding and Babar is king in that aspect . Yeah statistically he looks better than others, but without either Fakhar or Rizwan contributing Pak will lose how much ever Babar scores.
The 150 he scored in last ODI, he scored half the runs after having faced half the deliveries? Most good batsmen will get close to 200 if they bat through even that's not a big deal these days .
 
Bit of a soft dismissal I feel

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I really feel Babar Azam, the limited overs batsman, is reaching new heights. He was always very good in both formats. But recently, pushed by criticism from everywhere, he has developped his game even more.

You look the recent scores he is making in ODI and T20's series in SA and England, the SR, the class, everything is combined. Some of the outstanding performances in them :
103 vs SA
94 vs SA
158 vs England.
122 from 59 to chase 204 in T20's
85 from 49 yestarday

I am loving the way he is answering everything with his bat. We are so lucky to have him.
Even on PakPassion, that is supposed to be a pakistani forum, every threab regarding on him on first 2/3 pages is negative. I think that may have helped him become the cricketer he is becoming.

You are an absolute Panoti for Babar Azam. A curse.

Last time you made a thread on him where you tried to prove him better than Kohli in test cricket, his performances gone down and now the guy is almost out of icc top 10 rankings.

Now after two good performances in shorter formats, you're back again. I was already expecting him to fail today.

Oh God please save Babar Azam.
 
How many times Babar has won matches when target is 180+ in T20's and 280+ in ODIs against top teams?

Need to check against top teams.
 
He has gotten better in the fastest version of the game. Uses the power play very well. If Pak finds a couple more down the order to compliment him, Pakistan will benefit immensely. He is at peak of his powers. He is a timer of the ball. He looks out of sorts when he tries to slog. He should stay clear of slogging. I think today he tried to manufacture a shot like Andre Russell. When Andre plays shots like based ball line drive it lands in the crowd. When Babar does he gets out cheaply.
 
On current form yes but Rohit has decimated bowling attacks in the past demoralizing them into submission. I don't see that trait in Babar Azam...
Rohit most times has other batsmen also scori g well along with him putting pressure on the bowlers.
 
How many times Babar has won matches when target is 180+ in T20's and 280+ in ODIs against top teams?

Need to check against top teams.
It's always a team that wins games not just one player. Rohit or Kohli would have other playing good innings.
 
Rohit most times has other batsmen also scori g well along with him putting pressure on the bowlers.
Agreed but I am talking about innings where he single handedly decimated the opposition like 265 vs lanka or even the century against Pakistan in the last encounter.He is the closest player to inzimam that I have seen in the last 30yrs of watching cricket with his personified lazy elegance.
 
Rizwan >>>> Babar. BA is a poster boy for soft runs - on the other hand, Rizwan appears to embody the qualities found in great batsmen - consistency, aggression and skill
 
Rizwan >>>> Babar. BA is a poster boy for soft runs - on the other hand, Rizwan appears to embody the qualities found in great batsmen - consistency, aggression and skill

Pretty sure in 2016, it was Sharjeel. Then in 2017/18, it was Fakhar. In 2019, it was Haris. Now in 2020/21, it's Rizwan.

Yes all those players are great in their own way, but Babar has been and still is easily the best batsman Pakistan has. It's his consistency which allows other players to play around him.

It's kind of like Root/Williamson. In Root's case, a few years ago people claimed that Bairstow was the superior/premiere player and that Root is just another stat padder. Then, it was Buttler. And now, it's Stokes. In Williamson's case, it was said that Taylor was the real match winner, then Munro and then it was Latham. In hindsight, we all now know who were always the premiere players of their sides and who stood through the test of time.

The anchor role by definition is one that if done successfully will come across as a understated one. The point is that players like Root, Babar, Williamson play in such a fashion so that players around them can easily express themselves without having to worry about the team collapsing, since one end is firmly held up.

Babar's consistency has been one of the main reasons why Pakistan's batting has had an uptick in the last couple of years, and although still needs loads of work on how to finish games/handle pressure, Babar has been one best things to happen to PCT in recent times. People now genuinely look up to a player for his consistency rather than just the sporadic brilliance or eye-glitter. The only way we shed the notorious "unpredictable" tag, is if we start rewarding consistency (i.e. look up to players like Babar rather than a Shahid Afridi/Razzaq).
 
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Pretty sure in 2016, it was Sharjeel. Then in 2017/18, it was Fakhar. In 2019, it was Haris. Now in 2020/21, it's Rizwan.

Yes all those players are great in their own way, but Babar has been and still is easily the best batsman Pakistan has. It's his consistency which allows other players to play around him.

It's kind of like Root/Williamson. In Root's case, a few years ago people claimed that Bairstow was the superior/premiere player and that Root is just another stat padder. Then, it was Buttler. And now, it's Stokes. In Williamson's case, it was said that Taylor was the real match winner, then Munro and then it was Latham. In hindsight, we all now know who were always the premiere players of their sides and who stood through the test of time.

The anchor role by definition is one that if done successfully will come across as a understated one. The point is that players like Root, Babar, Williamson play in such a fashion so that players around them can easily express themselves without having to worry about the team collapsing, since one end is firmly held up.

Babar's consistency has been one of the main reasons why Pakistan's batting has had an uptick in the last couple of years, and although still needs loads of work on how to finish games/handle pressure, Babar has been one best things to happen to PCT in recent times. People now genuinely look up to a player for his consistency rather than just the sporadic brilliance or eye-glitter. The only way we shed the notorious "unpredictable" tag, is if we start rewarding consistency (i.e. look up to players like Babar rather than a Shahid Afridi/Razzaq).**

*I don't like comparing players, but just had to make that point, since I see it so often. (could the admins add this caveat, thanks.)
 
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