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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is from Delhi.<br><br>BJP leader Karnail Singh and Hindu mob shouting slogans "If you want to live in this country, you have to say Jai Sri Ram", in front of a mosque where violence broke out yesterday. <a href="https://t.co/LqPTeRrTqL">pic.twitter.com/LqPTeRrTqL</a></p>— HindutvaWatch (@HindutvaWatchIn) <a href="https://twitter.com/HindutvaWatchIn/status/1515749867234029569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What is happening?
 
Same thing that is happening in Pakistan when the minorities are persecuted.
 
I don't hear the quoted words in the video. Can someone point the time at which he says in that video?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">[English Caption]<br><br>A Hindu extremist preacher provoking his devotees, and asking them to bulldoze houses of Muslims in India. <a href="https://t.co/NyQexfN9pb">pic.twitter.com/NyQexfN9pb</a></p>— HindutvaWatch (@HindutvaWatchIn) <a href="https://twitter.com/HindutvaWatchIn/status/1515730809147166723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Al jazeera has a video on the matter;

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Itachi said:
I don't hear the quoted words in the video. Can someone point the time at which he says in that video?
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You either don’t understand Hindi or you need to get hearing checked lol. You are losing credibility.

It’s literally at the start
 
A few days back I saw a video of a big mob dancing to chants of "Miyan M*****d" during festival celebrations

India is going down a dark path from which there is no easy way to return.
 
Mamoon said:
Same thing that is happening in Pakistan when the minorities are persecuted.
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This thread is about religious extremism in India. Do not derail this thread.

India likes to promote itself as a secular nation yet it is clear the incumbent GoI have other ideas.

What are your thoughts on the rise of Hindu extremism in India that has been given a concrete sense of legitimacy by the BJP, and in particular India’s PM, Modi?
 
[MENTION=152959]hoshiarpurexpress[/MENTION] - Civil unrest or not?

If the video is difficult to understand I can translate it into punjabi.
 
Itachi said:
I don't hear the quoted words in the video. Can someone point the time at which he says in that video?
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:)))

I assume you know what Jai Sri Ram means?

To you and other Indian posters. Please translate this into English so Im aware what it means.
 
BJP really needs to control it's leaders. I've never seen a more shameful bunch.
 
KingKhanWC said:
:)))

I assume you know what Jai Sri Ram means?

To you and other Indian posters. Please translate this into English so Im aware what it means.
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It's praising of God. Same as done in any other religion. Unless you find offesive that a particular religion praises it's god, I don't see how anobe quoted words you mentioned are an issue.
 
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Itachi said:
It's praising of God. Same as done in any other religion. Unless you find offesive that a particular religion praises it's god, I don't see how anobe quoted words you mentioned are an issue.
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So there's no issue...in forcing people of other faiths to utter Jai Shri Ram
 
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Ashmal said:
So there's no issue...in forcing people of other faiths to utter Jai Shri Ram
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There's always an issue when someone forces something.

But the poster asked if I know what jai shree raam means. Since when praising a God has become offensive to other people?

Even as atheist, I don't mind when my gf prays to God. Each to his own. Live and let live.
 
Itachi said:
There's always an issue when someone forces something.

But the poster asked if I know what jai shree raam means. Since when praising a God has become offensive to other people?

Even as atheist, I don't mind when my gf prays to God. Each to his own. Live and let live.
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You are clearly an andhbhakht. And yeah please don't lie, you are not an atheist either.

This is what he was screaming in OP, "jisko iss desh mein rehna hoga, jai shri ram kehna hoga". Only a deaf won't be able to hear this properly. He is not praising a God but giving an open warning.
 
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Very odd, or perhaps not. An alleged Athiest is the only Indian voice in this thread and is not addressing point in the the OP.

It seems BJP apologists are more interested in what is going on in Pakistan than in their own country, hence very little input. Figures.
 
Very simple point, and the only relevant one:

No one has a problem or is offended by a person praising their God, but it is clear in this context it being used to issue a warning to those that do not praise the same God. That is something people do have a problem with.
 
Itachi said:
It's praising of God. Same as done in any other religion. Unless you find offesive that a particular religion praises it's god, I don't see how anobe quoted words you mentioned are an issue.
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Thats great, all should praise the Lord.

But I was looking for the translation. What does Jai and Sri Ram translate to English? I assume this BJP leader is ok with praising God in Arabic or English too?
 
If it’s just saying “praise the lord” why can’t Muslims say “Allah o Akbar” which is the same thing and be left alone?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Thats great, all should praise the Lord.

But I was looking for the translation. What does Jai and Sri Ram translate to English? I assume this BJP leader is ok with praising God in Arabic or English too?
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"jai shree raam" - "praise the lord"

("jai" in Sanskrit means victory but when it is used in context of God, it means praise).

The rest of your question, only the BJP leader can answer that.
 
Stewie said:
If it’s just saying “praise the lord” why can’t Muslims say “Allah o Akbar” which is the same thing and be left alone?
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Because Islamic terrorists have used it in a very different way and it changed the perception of the non muslim society over time. Blame the Islamic extremism for it.
 
Itachi said:
Because Islamic terrorists have used it in a very different way and it changed the perception of the non muslim society over time. Blame the Islamic extremism for it.
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Sorry, don't buy that at all.

It's because its a Muslim thing and no self-respecting Hindu will use it.
 
MenInG said:
Sorry, don't buy that at all.

It's because its a Muslim thing and no self-respecting Hindu will use it.
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I think you missed the context. The poster asked why can't Muslim say Allah o Akbar which is same and be left alone. It wasn't referred to Hindus saying it.
 
This is nuts. You can't force and threaten people to say what they don't believe or want
 
daytrader said:
This is nuts. You can't force and threaten people to say what they don't believe or want
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Any religion does that all the time. Religion forces people to believe in guidelines, dictates what to do and what not to do etc. Doesn't Islam threatens of apostasy if someone wants to believe something other?
 
Itachi said:
Any religion does that all the time. Religion forces people to believe in guidelines, dictates what to do and what not to do etc. Doesn't Islam threatens of apostasy if someone wants to believe something other?
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Love your deflections bro. Religious texts can have whatever message but it's not the texts that is enforcing this, it's the people. And it seems people in India are trying to enforce a more violent and intolerant version of Hinduism
 
daytrader said:
Love your deflections bro. Religious texts can have whatever message but it's not the texts that is enforcing this, it's the people. And it seems people in India are trying to enforce a more violent and intolerant version of Hinduism
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Its a local issue. Not "India" issue. If you go through the threads, you'll see that 90% of cases will be that of UP state. Different states have different culture and values. Hence it's not a wide spread entity rather very restricted to some specific communities.
 
Itachi said:
Its a local issue. Not "India" issue. If you go through the threads, you'll see that 90% of cases will be that of UP state. Different states have different culture and values. Hence it's not a wide spread entity rather very restricted to some specific communities.
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It's a Hinduism issue which would make it an India issue also
 
daytrader said:
It's a Hinduism issue which would make it an India issue also
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Heh? Following the same logic of yours, Since some terrorists organization kills people in the name of religion islam all across the world, should I paint Islam as religion of violence and Muslims globally have no mercy, empathy, sympathy love towards population?

It doesn't make any sense.
 
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Itachi said:
Heh? Following the same logic of yours, Since some terrorists organization kills people in the name of religion islam all across the world, should I paint Islam as religion of violence and Muslims globally have no mercy, empathy, sympathy love towards population?

It doesn't make any sense.
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you try your best to. if you gonna dish it out learn to accept it too :)
 
daytrader said:
you try your best to. if you gonna dish it out learn to accept it too :)
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I have never done it. You can point towards any of my post that I have posted from 2011.

Since I've never "dished", why should I "accept"?
 
And so the rabbit hole hole begins.

Muslims cannot say Allah Ho Akbar because Muslim Terrorists use the phrase, but it’s ok to say Jai Sri Ram even though Saffron Terrorists use the phrase day in day out.

Got to love the logical desperation and hypocrisy.
 
Itachi said:
Any religion does that all the time. Religion forces people to believe in guidelines, dictates what to do and what not to do etc. Doesn't Islam threatens of apostasy if someone wants to believe something other?
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May be you should practice what you preach and stay on topic. Islam has nothing to do with this thread. :inti
 
Itachi said:
"jai shree raam" - "praise the lord"

("jai" in Sanskrit means victory but when it is used in context of God, it means praise).

The rest of your question, only the BJP leader can answer that.
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In which context Jai Shri Ram was used in OP? Can you please elaborate? You can't hear the audio properly in OP, that's fine. Let me write it for you once again "jisko iss desh mein rehna hoga, jai shri ram kehna hoga". Are they praising god here? Since you brought Islam into this thread. Let me remind you about the following incidents.


How about this one?

Muslim man beaten, ‘forced to chant Jai Shri Ram’ in Kanpur

https://theprint.in/india/muslim-man-beaten-forced-to-chant-jai-shri-ram-in-kanpur/714162/

Or this? :inti

Muslim man forced to chant 'Jai Shri Ram' in Madhya Pradesh, cops arrest two men

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...adesh-cops-arrest-two-men/article36163288.ece
 
Thread is not about positives or negatives of Islam.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
In which context Jai Shri Ram was used in OP? Can you please elaborate? You can't hear the audio properly in OP, that's fine. Let me write it for you once again "jisko iss desh mein rehna hoga, jai shri ram kehna hoga". Are they praising god here? Since you brought Islam into this thread. Let me remind you about the following incidents.


How about this one?

Muslim man beaten, ‘forced to chant Jai Shri Ram’ in Kanpur

https://theprint.in/india/muslim-man-beaten-forced-to-chant-jai-shri-ram-in-kanpur/714162/

Or this? :inti

Muslim man forced to chant 'Jai Shri Ram' in Madhya Pradesh, cops arrest two men

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...adesh-cops-arrest-two-men/article36163288.ece
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Those two incidents are wrong, shouldn't happen. The culprit should be punished according to existing procedure.

Secondly, my post was answer to KKWC question.
 
We need hardcore BGP apologists in this thread defending the OP, not an alleged Athiest who resorts to Islam and Moderation in defense.

Resistance is futile.
 
Itachi said:
"jai shree raam" - "praise the lord"

("jai" in Sanskrit means victory but when it is used in context of God, it means praise).

The rest of your question, only the BJP leader can answer that.
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Itachi said:
Because Islamic terrorists have used it in a very different way and it changed the perception of the non muslim society over time. Blame the Islamic extremism for it.
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Isnt Ram a specific God or does it apply to all Hindu Gods?

Hindu terrorists and extermists use this slogan when lynching or raping Muslims and others. Why is it ok for them to use it but not Muslims?

BJP/RSS should worry about their own devotees understanding the basics of their religion instead of demanding everyone follow their language of faith.
 
Itachi said:
I think you missed the context. The poster asked why can't Muslim say Allah o Akbar which is same and be left alone. It wasn't referred to Hindus saying it.
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Actually no, I did ask why cant Hindus say Allahu akbar when all it means is God is great?

In fact doing so will nullify the terroristic element of it, no self respecting muslim extemist will say it if Kafir Hindus are saying it all the time. You know what I mean? I think you should push for this change in India.
 
Itachi said:
Any religion does that all the time. Religion forces people to believe in guidelines, dictates what to do and what not to do etc. Doesn't Islam threatens of apostasy if someone wants to believe something other?
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Now you are just being disingenuous. Religious diktats in scriptures are not comparable to armed goons spreading majoritarianism with full support of the government.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
May be you should practice what you preach and stay on topic. Islam has nothing to do with this thread. :inti
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It has to do.
Here discussions are happening based on convenient one side sources, we need to take a look at other side of the coin as well.

There are so many Islam extremist preachers provoking Hindus constantly. I can provide source for the same.
Something suits your narrative doesn't make it true.
All these are action-reaction provoking form both sides of Muslims and Hindus.

I can post similar instances.


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There is a different between extremist preachers or members of the public making these statements and a member of the leading party in the country.

It's sad when one has to resort to these kind of posts to prove a point.

Isn't it far easier to point out a wrong than try to find some equivication with other incidents?

Please someone explain to me how muslims dancing outside a mandir is somehow the same as a member of government mandating who can and cannot live in the country based on a religious slogan?
 
So in essence, the defense of Hindutva apologists - "They do it too"

The plight of Indians, never will they lead by example, never have, never will.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
There is a different between extremist preachers or members of the public making these statements and a member of the leading party in the country.

It's sad when one has to resort to these kind of posts to prove a point.

Isn't it far easier to point out a wrong than try to find some equivication with other incidents?

Please someone explain to me how muslims dancing outside a mandir is somehow the same as a member of government mandating who can and cannot live in the country based on a religious slogan?
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Owaisi brothers are prominent political leaders and the BJP guy mentioned above is not a member of government.
 
Itachi said:
It's praising of God. Same as done in any other religion. Unless you find offesive that a particular religion praises it's god, I don't see how anobe quoted words you mentioned are an issue.
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Its praising god to say that if you want to live in India you have to say Jai Shri Ram?

In Pakistan their is something similar to praise god. Someone will say Nara-e-Takbir, and the crowd will respond with Allahu Akbar. However the difference is that they are not asking non Muslims to say it, or say that if you want to live in Pakistan you have to say Allahu Akbar. See the difference?
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Owaisi brothers are prominent political leaders and the BJP guy mentioned above is not a member of government.
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Owasi's party has two seats in the Lok Sabha. BJP has 300 seats, so they are not the same. And even if this BJP guy is not a member of government, many other BJP leaders have said similar comments.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Its praising god to say that if you want to live in India you have to say Jai Shri Ram?

In Pakistan their is something similar to praise god. Someone will say Nara-e-Takbir, and the crowd will respond with Allahu Akbar. However the difference is that they are not asking non Muslims to say it, or say that if you want to live in Pakistan you have to say Allahu Akbar. See the difference?
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Asking muslims to say it is wrong. Live and let live.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Owaisi brothers are prominent political leaders and the BJP guy mentioned above is not a member of government.
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Post the owaisi speech in its entirity and we can discuss it in detail.

He is a low class politician but 22 secs of his speech is not what the overall tone was. He was reacting to Hindu aggression and not inciting it.
 
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