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[VIDEO] Notre-Dame cathedral on fire in Paris

It is not hard. The problem is that you view art with a very narrow perspective - since you do not have any appreciation for the skill of the artist, an artwork for you is only as good as its message and what it depicts.

You dislike the Notre Dame Cathedral because of its crusade history, you dislike the pyramids because of slavery and you dislike the judensau because of anti-semitism. For me, art is first and foremost a celebration of the artist and then the message that the artist has conveyed through his art, which is not always his own but often that of the patron and the person who has commissioned it.

By the way, this is quite an interested read on the origin of the Judensau:


- Journal for the Study of Anti-semitism (Vol. 2, pages 393 - 394).


This is not a popular accepted view.

This is what most Jews and non-Jews think.

Campaigners in Germany are calling for the removal of an antisemitic sculpture ahead of the 500th anniversary of the Christian Reformation next year.

The Judensau, or “Jewish pig”, is on the façade of Wittenburg’s main church.

It shows Jews suckling at the teats of a sow, while another lifts the tail of the animal to look up its backside.

Sister Joela Krüger, a member of the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary, a Lutheran group, is leading the campaign for the removal of the sculpture. She told website Christianity Today: “The Judensau grieves people because our Lord is blasphemed. And also the Jews and Israel are blasphemed by showing such a sculpture.

“We don’t want to distance ourselves from Luther’s wrongs, but to identify, grieve, and ask for forgiveness.”

Wittenburg was the birthplace of the Protestant Reformation, which was initiated in 1517 by Martin Luther, an inhabitant of the town.

The Judensau was installed in 1305, but Luther discusses it in one of his antisemitic works, Vom Schem Hamphoras, in which he suggests that Jews sourced their holiest name for God — their “Shem Hamphoras” — from the backside of a pig.

The words “Rabini Schem Hamephoras” were added above the sculpture after Luther’s death.

However, Max Privorozki, a local German-Jewish leader, told Christianity Today that the sculpture should not be removed, saying it “represents a testimony of medieval thinking and Christian architectural tradition.

“There is no doubt that the Judensau sculpture is unseemly, obscene, insulting, offensive, libelous, a portrayal of hate speech and antisemitism and that it defames Jewish people and their faith. However, it should be seen within the context of the time period in which it was made.”

A plaque was added beneath the sculpture in 1988, quoting the beginning of psalm 130 in Hebrew (“From the Depths I cry to You”), as well as the following inscription:

“The true name of God, the maligned Schem Hamphoras, which Jews long before Christianity regarded as almost unutterably holy, died with six million Jews under the sign of the cross.”

Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt, Chief Rabbi of Moscow and President of the Conference of European Rabbis, said: “Removing statues can be, on the one hand, symbolic. On the other hand, it might not be enough.

“The question is, to what extent the Protestant churches have gone through their history, liturgy, statements and religious texts to distance themselves from teachings which have elements of antisemitism.”

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/should-germans-remove-medieval-hate-sculpture-1.54259

This is not art, this is romancing of racism. If you find such works as great art and also say the meaning behind them is important, you dont know what art is but are just following the Europeans blindly.
 
Must admit I have been taken by surprise at the outpouring of lament and woe in Britain over the fire at the Notre Dam. There are 7 headlines in the Guardian alone devoted to the topic including how it has brought France and Europe together, and is an inspiration for the transgender movement. There was even a specially dedicated tv show on channel 4 yesterday.

Seems I am more out of touch with the wonder of this mighty cathedral than someone sitting in Pakistan alternating worship of IPL with wondrous church architecture and hatred of Imran Khan.
 
Notre-Dame fire: Macron says new cathedral will be 'more beautiful'

French President Emmanuel Macron says Notre-Dame cathedral will be rebuilt "even more beautifully" - and that he wants the work done within five years.

A massive fire on Monday ravaged the 850-year-old Gothic building, destroying much of its roof and causing its steeple to collapse.

The cathedral was minutes away from total destruction, officials say.

But despite Mr Macron's pledge experts say its reconstruction could take decades.

Fifty people will investigate the cause of the fire. Paris public prosecutor Rémy Heitz said there was no obvious indication of arson and that the blaze was being treated as an accident.

A combined €800m ($902m; £692m) has already been pledged by a number of companies and business tycoons to help rebuild the Unesco World Heritage site.

What has Macron said?
In a televised address on Tuesday evening, President Macron suggested he wants it rebuilt by the time Paris hosts the Summer Olympics in 2024.

"We'll rebuild Notre-Dame even more beautifully and I want it to be completed in five years, we can do it," said Mr Macron, who had already pledged to launch an international fundraising scheme for the reconstruction.

"It's up to us to convert this disaster into an opportunity to come together... It's up to us to find the thread of our national project."

But Eric Fischer, head of the foundation in charge of restoring the 1,000-year-old Strasbourg cathedral, told AFP the Notre-Dame may take "decades" to rebuild.

Frédéric Létoffé, the head of the group of companies for the Restoration of Historic Monuments, put the timescale at between 10 and 15 years, warning substantial work would be needed to secure the site before restoration can begin.

What is the damage?
The blaze - which was discovered at 18:43 (16:43 GMT) on Monday and was fully extinguished almost 15 hours later - destroyed most of the cathedral's roof and led to the collapse of its iconic spire.

Experts have not yet been allowed on site to assess the damage and firefighters have sent a drone to survey the scale of the destruction.

Photos appear to show that at least one of the famed rose windows has survived but there are concerns for some of the other stained-glass windows. The 18th Century organ has not been burned but it is not clear whether it is damaged.

It was still too early to estimate the cost of the damage, said the Fondation du Patrimoine, an independent non-profit heritage group.

Deputy Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez said the structure was in good condition "overall" but that "some vulnerabilities" had been identified in the stone vaults and the remainder of the ceiling.

The main structure, including the two bell towers, was saved in a time window of 15 to 30 minutes by a team of 400 firefighters, he said.

In his speech Mr Macron heaped praise on the fire services, saying they took "extreme risks" to tackle the blaze.

Praying for the cathedral
By Patrick Jackson, BBC News, Paris

They sit or stand in a crowd, many of them young people, spilling over the end of the Boulevard Saint Michel, this first evening after the fire, singing hymns. On a table beneath the towering sculpture of Saint Michael stands a statue of Our Lady - Notre Dame.

"As a French Catholic," says Éloi, 22, "I felt really bad after the fire so I see this vigil as a way to say that even if the flames destroyed the cathedral, we can rebuild it because the Church is made not of stones but is a living body." He believes the cathedral should be remade just the way it was, as a "prayer to God".

"We are Catholics," he adds, "but all French people - Catholics, Muslims, atheists - are united around this disaster and in the hope it will be rebuilt."

And they are united in pride in the fire brigade. During the concert, an engine hurtles past on the road, and the singing stops as the crowd claps and cheers.

What happens next?
Investigators trying to establish the cause of the fire have begun questioning workers from five companies involved in the extensive renovations that were under way at the cathedral. Officials believe the works could be linked to the disaster.

"Nothing indicates this was a deliberate act," said public prosecutor Rémy Heitz, adding that he expected to be a "long and complex" case.

Offers of help to rebuild the cathedral have come from several world leaders, groups and individuals, including:

Billionaire François-Henri Pinault, chairman and CEO of the Kering group that owns the Gucci and Yves Saint Laurent fashion brands, who pledged €100m

Bernard Arnault's family and their company LVMH, a business empire which includes Louis Vuitton and Sephora, who pledged €200m
French cosmetics giant L'Oreal and its founding Bettencourt family promised to give €200m while oil giant Total pledged €100m
Culture Minister Franck Riester said some of the artwork and religious items rescued would be sent to the Louvre museum where they would be kept and eventually restored.

They include what is said to be the crown of thorns worn by Jesus before his crucifixion and a tunic King Louis IX is said to have worn when he brought the crown to Paris.

The cathedral's paintings would be removed from Friday, Mr Riester said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47957400
 
Louis was King and it's usually the king who authroises such expensive buildings. We dont know what the builders thought but we do know Louis was a religious extremist. Dont you find it strange secular france which is so against religous symbols is in tears over this religious building, built by an extremist?

No, I don’t. France isn’t secular. Did you hear them sing Ave Maria in the streets? Everything shuts on Sunday like it used to in London. They are French first, then Catholic / Jewish / Muslim / Buddhist second.
 
No, I don’t. France isn’t secular. Did you hear them sing Ave Maria in the streets? Everything shuts on Sunday like it used to in London. They are French first, then Catholic / Jewish / Muslim / Buddhist second.

Well I for one am pleased to hear it. I have always found the French and Italian Catholicism a big part of their charm, certainly it imbues their architecture and culture even if it goes against their somewhat hypocritical stance on secularism. France uses secularism to preserve it's own culture against foreign invasion, I can appreciate that. We can compare it to cultural hotpots like USA which is a mish-masj of everything and anything, and closer to home areas like Southall which look like a scene from Mumbai.
 
Well I for one am pleased to hear it. I have always found the French and Italian Catholicism a big part of their charm, certainly it imbues their architecture and culture even if it goes against their somewhat hypocritical stance on secularism. France uses secularism to preserve it's own culture against foreign invasion, I can appreciate that. We can compare it to cultural hotpots like USA which is a mish-masj of everything and anything, and closer to home areas like Southall which look like a scene from Mumbai.

Yeah, I like how they ban from government communications and advertising Anglo-Americanisms creeping into their language such as ‘le weekend’. French identity comes first.
 
Yeah, I like how they ban from government communications and advertising Anglo-Americanisms creeping into their language such as ‘le weekend’. French identity comes first.

English should also adopt this protectionism and ban words with non british influence.
 
English should also adopt this protectionism and ban words with non british influence.

That would be interesting. On the one hand, we have some of the most prolific writers from yesteryear like Charles Dickens and William Shakespeare, but then again many English words have been adopted from Britain's colonies such as jungle, loot, thug and curry...and those are just from India. Would it be considered good form to continue to use these words given that they are necessary to describe foreign entities?

What could we substitute for curry by way of example? Spiced porridge? :13:
 
Must admit I have been taken by surprise at the outpouring of lament and woe in Britain over the fire at the Notre Dam. There are 7 headlines in the Guardian alone devoted to the topic including how it has brought France and Europe together, and is an inspiration for the transgender movement. There was even a specially dedicated tv show on channel 4 yesterday.

Seems I am more out of touch with the wonder of this mighty cathedral than someone sitting in Pakistan alternating worship of IPL with wondrous church architecture and hatred of Imran Khan.

Check out the headline in British media

BBC News - Newspaper headlines: Praise for Notre-Dame fire 'heroes'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47957110

It's as if Europeans need an excuse to unite on the basis of what they have in common, Christianity. Of course this not only exposes the hypocrisy by the right, but also exposes their weakness. All this talk about opposing religion, but the reality is they really care about religion.

To be fair the Notre Dame is simplistic and doesn't hold a candle to other Catherdeals such as Lincoln Cathedral, but when you have people posting for the sake of watching news, it figures why and how people can be duped so easily.

Why haven't we changed our profile pics to the French flag I say! Pray for France!
 
That would be interesting. On the one hand, we have some of the most prolific writers from yesteryear like Charles Dickens and William Shakespeare, but then again many English words have been adopted from Britain's colonies such as jungle, loot, thug and curry...and those are just from India. Would it be considered good form to continue to use these words given that they are necessary to describe foreign entities?

What could we substitute for curry by way of example? Spiced porridge? :13:

By his logic India should begin by banning English. Like that's ever going to happen.

PS: Ruby murry! ;)
 
English should also adopt this protectionism and ban words with non british influence.

Yep let’s get rid of:

Hotel, entrepreneur, café, restaurant, concerto, cul-de-sac....

Loot, bungalow, veranda, thug, pyjamas....

Algebra, algorithm....
 
Check out the headline in British media

BBC News - Newspaper headlines: Praise for Notre-Dame fire 'heroes'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47957110

It's as if Europeans need an excuse to unite on the basis of what they have in common, Christianity. Of course this not only exposes the hypocrisy by the right, but also exposes their weakness. All this talk about opposing religion, but the reality is they really care about religion.

To be fair the Notre Dame is simplistic and doesn't hold a candle to other Catherdeals such as Lincoln Cathedral, but when you have people posting for the sake of watching news, it figures why and how people can be duped so easily.

Why haven't we changed our profile pics to the French flag I say! Pray for France!

Not so much unity through religion as much as appreciating a cultural icon.
 
Yep let’s get rid of:

Hotel, entrepreneur, café, restaurant, concerto, cul-de-sac....

Loot, bungalow, veranda, thug, pyjamas....

Algebra, algorithm....

You were praising the french for protectionism, so don't know why you don't want it for english.
 
Its ok to feel hurt by what happened to Notredame - its not against our religion to feel hurt on this.
 
France is to invite architects from around the world to submit their designs for a new spire to sit atop a renovated Notre-Dame cathedral.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe told reporters they hoped for "a new spire that is adapted to the techniques and the challenges of our era".

The spire was completely destroyed in the blaze that tore through the 850-year-old Gothic building's roof.

The entire cathedral was minutes away from total destruction, officials say.

However, much of the Parisian building - including its famed towers - survived, and thoughts have now turned to how to reconstruct what has been lost.

President Emmanuel Macron vowed it would be rebuilt "even more beautifully", adding that he wanted the work done within five years - although experts warn its reconstruction could take decades.

The spire destroyed in the blaze was added to the cathedral during a 19th Century restoration project led by French architect Eugene Viollet-le-Duc.

But Mr Philippe questioned "whether we should even recreate the spire as it was conceived by Viollet-le-Duc... or if, as is often the case in the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre-Dame with a new spire".

Meanwhile, a copper statue of a cockerel - a symbol of France - that topped the spire has been recovered from the rubble "battered but apparently restorable", the culture ministry said. The cockerel contains holy relics, but it is not yet clear if these are still intact.

Jacques Chanut, president of the French Building Federation, tweeted a picture of the statue being carried by Philippe Villeneuve, the architect in charge of the renovation project.

So far, €800m ($902m; £692m) has already been pledged by a number of companies and business tycoons to help rebuild the Unesco World Heritage site.

Mr Philippe promised "every euro paid for the construction of Notre-Dame will serve this purpose and nothing else", while also announcing a tax reduction for those donating towards the reconstruction.

The cause of the fire is unknown but an investigation is under way.

What is the damage?
The blaze, which began on Monday evening and was not fully extinguished until almost 15 hours later, destroyed most of the cathedral's roof and led to the collapse of its famous spire.

Firefighters have used a drone to survey the scale of the destruction.

Photos appear to show that at least one of the famed rose windows has survived but there are concerns for some of the other stained-glass windows. The 18th Century organ has not been burned but it is not clear if it is damaged.

It was still too early to estimate the cost of the damage, said the Fondation du Patrimoine, an independent non-profit heritage group.

Deputy Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez said the structure was in good condition "overall" but that "some vulnerabilities" had been found in the stone vaults and the remainder of the ceiling.

The main structure, including the two bell towers, was saved in a time window of 15 to 30 minutes by a team of 400 firefighters, he said.

In his speech Mr Macron heaped praise on the fire services, saying they took "extreme risks" to tackle the blaze.

What happens next?
Investigators trying to establish the cause of the fire have begun questioning workers from five companies involved in the renovations that were under way at the cathedral. Officials believe the works could have accidentally led to the disaster.

Offers of help to rebuild the cathedral have come from several world leaders, groups and individuals, including:

Bernard Arnault's family and their company LVMH, a business empire which includes Louis Vuitton and Sephora, who pledged €200m
French cosmetics giant L'Oreal and its founding Bettencourt family promised to give €200m while oil giant Total pledged €100m
Culture Minister Franck Riester said some of the artwork and religious items rescued would be sent to the Louvre museum where they would be kept and eventually restored.

They include what is said to be the crown of thorns worn by Jesus before his crucifixion and a tunic King Louis IX is said to have worn when he brought the crown to Paris.

Work to remove the cathedral's paintings will begin on Friday, Mr Riester said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47959313
 
Notre Dame probe ramps up as investigators question workers

Prosecutors investigating the causes of the inferno that tore through Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris have interviewed construction workers and security staff, as more details emerged about the effort to contain the blaze.

Ten people were interviewed by criminal investigators on Wednesday (local time), the Paris Prosecutor's Office said, adding that interviews would continue the following day. On Tuesday, the prosecutor's office had said 30 employees at the Paris landmark had been questioned.

"Tomorrow new witnesses will be heard as well as people already interviewed for further information," the prosecutor's office said.

The prosecutor's office said that in addition to interviews, forensics teams and the central laboratory for the police department had been able to access some areas of the site and begin inspections.

Officials are continuing to pursue the theory that the cause of the fire was accidental but have not ruled out other scenarios at this stage, the prosecutor's office added.

"While the prosecutor's office does not rule out any hypothesis, we remind that at this stage, nothing in the investigations highlights a criminal origin. Accidental causes remain our privileged lead," the prosecutor's office said.

The Paris fire service, meanwhile, said the nine-hour battle to save the building was one of the most complex it had ever undertaken. At one point, it was feared that the entire structure might be lost.

"If the flames had actually got to the timber frames of the belfries then we would have lost the cathedral completely because it would have led to a chain reaction of collapse," said Gabriel Plus, a spokesman for the fire service.

Philippe Demay, deputy chief of the Paris Fire Brigade, told reporters that the operation to put out the flames was "complex", and the "most complicated" he had ever encountered.

On Wednesday evening, cathedrals across France rang their bells in honor of Notre Dame, marking two days since the fire. Bells tolled at 6.50pm across the country acknowledging what the French Bishops Conference described as "a shock that affects far beyond just the Catholics of our country".

The French government said it was committed to rebuilding the cathedral. Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced an international architects' competition to replace the building's fallen spire.

As the scale of the damage became clear, investigators said they were determined to get to the bottom of how the blaze started.

"Investigations continue to search for the truth and identify the origins and causes of the fire," the Paris Prosecutor's Office said.

Scrutiny has fallen on the firms undertaking the renovation of the 150-year-old spire, which collapsed Monday as the flames raged around it.

Of the four companies contracted to carry out renovations at Notre Dame, two companies, scaffolding firm Europe Echafaudage and art conservationists Socra, had work in progress there at the time of the fire. Neither company had workers on site when the fire broke out, CNN has been told.

According to centraledesmarches.com, a website where private companies can bid for public projects, Europe Echafaudage and its parent company, Le Bras Freres, were awarded contracts worth €3,493,766 (A$5,499,851) for scaffolding and other services.

Julien Le Bras, CEO of Europe Echafaudage, which received a contract to renovate the spire in 2017, told reporters Tuesday that 12 of his employees were working on the project, but that "there were absolutely no workers on site when the fire broke out, and there hadn't been for quite a while before the fire".

Mark Eskenazi, a PR representative for Le Bras Freres, said the company is speaking to experts about how to take down the scaffolding and "absolutely" denies responsibility for what happened, saying that its workers had left the cathedral one hour before the fire began. He called the fire a "crisis" for the small business of 20 workers.

"They are artisans, it is a very small enterprise."

Patrick Palen, a spokesman for Socra, which was brought in to refurbish statuettes from the cathedral, said workers from the company removed 12 statues of the apostles and four of evangelists from the cathedral last week. Those statues were being held safely in an off-site workshop at the time of the fire. Palen said Socra employees were not at Notre Dame during the fire.

Questions have been raised about why the blaze was not tackled sooner. Security guards at the 850-year-old cathedral first heard the fire alarm at 6.20pm local time on Monday, and evacuated the cathedral even though they didn't see any sign of fire, a spokesman for the Paris Fire Brigade said.

The alarm sounded again some 20 minutes later, at which point the cathedral's security officers noticed the fire, Paris Prosecutor Remy Heitz said.

Fire chiefs denied that they were slow to react to the initial reports of the blaze.

Despite the intensity of the fire, authorities have said that some of the cathedral's major relics, artifacts and artwork had been rescued. Some of the most valuable artworks are being held at City Hall, while a number of other pieces are being transferred to the Louvre museum.

The Crown of Thorns, believed by many to be a relic of the passion of Christ, and the Tunic of Saint Louis were saved. A copper rooster that sat atop the collapsed spire has been recovered intact.

Le Parisien newspaper, citing a source from the Ministry of Culture, said it was not yet known if relics contained in the rooster had survived the blaze.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/notr...rld-news/defe70ac-056e-43a3-8229-b225bd0a827a
 
Notre-Dame fire: Assassin's Creed's maker pledges aid

The maker of the Assassin's Creed games will donate €500,000 ($565,000; £433,000) to the reconstruction of the fire-damaged Cathedral of Notre-Dame.

A digital version of the building, which featured in its 2014 release Assassin's Creed Unity, was modelled over a period of 14 months.

The company told the BBC that it would share the design with the French authorities, if requested.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47963835

While I think Unity was one of the worst in the AC series, the buildings were amazing! There is so much details in the game, and climbing the Notre Dame was special.

However I would question why Ubisoft are prepared to send digital plans, when French authorities should have them in the first place considering the importance of this iconic religious building!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Napoleon Bonaparte and Josephine were crowned emperor and empress of France at the Notre Dame cathedral. <br><br>Here's a look back at France's history with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> <a href="https://t.co/GfyFQO0rzE">pic.twitter.com/GfyFQO0rzE</a></p>— TicToc by Bloomberg (@tictoc) <a href="https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1118824008550637569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See Notre Dame Cathedral before and after the devastating fire <a href="https://t.co/dfrHNhVfrc">pic.twitter.com/dfrHNhVfrc</a></p>— The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1118734715714859008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Strikes me as a non sequitur. Icons exist within culture.

Notre Dame has religious significance, it's a Cathedral, which is part of the French culture, namely, Christianity.

As much as people would like to ignore the religious connotation of Notre Dame, it's quite ok to accept the contribution of religion in society.
 
Notre Dame has religious significance, it's a Cathedral, which is part of the French culture, namely, Christianity.

As much as people would like to ignore the religious connotation of Notre Dame, it's quite ok to accept the contribution of religion in society.

I am not sure why anyone would want to deny the religious inspiration for a cathedral anyway. Today's society is quite rightly pointing out the negative impact of religion around the world, so to be fair we should be able to affirm the positive role as well. The Notre Dame cathedral is quite magnificent, as are many such cathedrals around the world. We Brits are lucky to have some magnificent examples like Durham and Westminster Abbey, we shoud marvel at the genius which built those over a century ago when in the modern age we struggle to build anything comparable despite all our advances.
 
No, I don’t. France isn’t secular. Did you hear them sing Ave Maria in the streets? Everything shuts on Sunday like it used to in London. They are French first, then Catholic / Jewish / Muslim / Buddhist second.

French police make woman remove clothing on Nice beach following burkini ban

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach

Ok they are hypocrites then, secular when they feel like, Christian when some war trophy building catches fire. Fair point.
 
I am very surprised they haven't invented some Muslim angle yet!!
 
I am very surprised they haven't invented some Muslim angle yet!!

Its interesting to see how others reacted when a mosque in NZ suffered a tragedy compared to how muslims react when a church in France suffered a tragedy. Not comparing the tragedies but the reactions.
 
Its interesting to see how others reacted when a mosque in NZ suffered a tragedy compared to how muslims react when a church in France suffered a tragedy. Not comparing the tragedies but the reactions.

I partly agree. Muslim's could have shown more empathy however having said that many non Muslims also rejoice when Muslims are killed so perhaps you are just not looking in the right places. Muslim's did not do that when the church went down. How many Christians or non Muslims cried when the Mosques in Iraq were destroyed by American psycho's?
 
I partly agree. Muslim's could have shown more empathy however having said that many non Muslims also rejoice when Muslims are killed so perhaps you are just not looking in the right places. Muslim's did not do that when the church went down. How many Christians or non Muslims cried when the Mosques in Iraq were destroyed by American psycho's?

The reality is European history is a litany of war and division. Hence the creation of the EU/EEC/EZ to promote unity within Europe to prevent another World War.

Given the recent turmoil in Europe, with the rise of right wing parties, Brexit, countries in recession or teetering recession, unemployment, Euro crisis - the European agenda is to unite Europeans by any means necessary. Be it through a terrorist attack, a spire of a religious icon burned down, or even sport.

As for Muslims showing empathy, well truth be told, no one died, but even if Muslims did show empathy, no one cares because the number of times Muslims have been ignored when they raise their voice against terrorism in the West is just laughable. Though not to worry, we have Pakistanis who see the Notre Dame spire crumbling as a tragedy and as a result have contributed to the renovation fund - speaking for the masses as it where - pun intended - so it's all good.
 
The reality is European history is a litany of war and division. Hence the creation of the EU/EEC/EZ to promote unity within Europe to prevent another World War.

Given the recent turmoil in Europe, with the rise of right wing parties, Brexit, countries in recession or teetering recession, unemployment, Euro crisis - the European agenda is to unite Europeans by any means necessary. Be it through a terrorist attack, a spire of a religious icon burned down, or even sport.

As for Muslims showing empathy, well truth be told, no one died, but even if Muslims did show empathy, no one cares because the number of times Muslims have been ignored when they raise their voice against terrorism in the West is just laughable. Though not to worry, we have Pakistanis who see the Notre Dame spire crumbling as a tragedy and as a result have contributed to the renovation fund - speaking for the masses as it where - pun intended - so it's all good.

Muslim's have been the victims of so much violence from the west that the crumbling of this church or whatever it was supposed to be was nothing. As Muslim's were not the perpetrators here there was no reason for them to go overboard. I didn't see too much crying from other communities either then why point out the Muslim's in particular. The perpetrator of the New Zealand killings was indeed a white Australian which is why white people felt responsible. Neither the church nor the Notre thing was the work of Muslims. I don't care about the Notre dome being on fire at all.
 
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