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What do you suppose he is doing in this video at 0.30 seconds, we get lectures upon lectures on fair play and blah blah blah, yet it has been done by one of them as early as 1950's and 60's?

Aussies and English always make every new controversy sounds as if it has never been done before only to find out they tried it much earlier as well, let it be match fixing, chucking by Ian Meckiff, betting, and now this.

NOTE: Not promoting the idea that what anyone has done from Pak/India/others is justified becvause of all these past happenings but please don't act as if you have been angels all your cricketing lives.

Just read an article about this Aussie Umpire 'Lou Rowan' who just passed away, in a 5 test series in Australia, where he officiated in all matches I think, he did not give a single LBW decision in favor of England. That has to be some sort of a record!
 
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^^^Not to forget the no balls upon no balls he bowls in this video above not given by the umpire as well
 
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Speed King at 70 mph OMG Vinay Kumar wants a time machine real bad!!
 
The acknowledged Speed King of all time at 70 mph :))) [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
 
Speed King at 70 mph OMG Vinay Kumar wants a time machine real bad!!

God Ashok Dinda would've been a speed demon if he was playing then..

He would have been regarded as one of the greatest bowlers ever among historians in cricket and old timers. Would've been a cult hero with his head band with youngsters world over trying to copy his head band style decades after his retirement just to imitate the great man.:akhtar
 
God Ashok Dinda would've been a speed demon if he was playing then..

He would have been regarded as one of the greatest bowlers ever among historians in cricket and old timers. Would've been a cult hero with his head band with youngsters world over trying to copy his head band style decades after his retirement just to imitate the great man.:akhtar

He would be our own Howrah Express the snake charmer ,exotic bowler of the east,him Vinay ,Dhawan ,Pandya coming one after the other I can already see the English whining.
 
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What do you suppose he is doing in this video at 0.30 seconds, we get lectures upon lectures on fair play and blah blah blah, yet it has been done by one of them as early as 1950's and 60's?

Aussies and English always make every new controversy sounds as if it has never been done before only to find out they tried it much earlier as well, let it be match fixing, chucking by Ian Meckiff, betting, and now this.

NOTE: Not promoting the idea that what anyone has done from Pak/India/others is justified becvause of all these past happenings but please don't act as if you have been angels all your cricketing lives.

Just read an article about this Aussie Umpire 'Lou Rowan' who just passed away, in a 5 test series in Australia, where he officiated in all matches I think, he did not give a single LBW decision in favor of England. That has to be some sort of a record!

Definitely not biting or chewing the ball. Slow down the video speed and you will realize that.

BTW I had posted this video longtime ago to highlight how Larwoods speed dramatically went up after retirement. Classic revisionism.

And the noball rule was different back then. The backfoot was what mattered.
 
Definitely not biting or chewing the ball. Slow down the video speed and you will realize that.

BTW I had posted this video longtime ago to highlight how Larwoods speed dramatically went up after retirement. Classic revisionism.

And the noball rule was different back then. The backfoot was what mattered.

Thanks didn't know,it was 1963-64 when they changed the law,inspite of that they bowled only 70 mph omg :)))
 
Lindwall used to chuck some of his deliveries particularly short pitched ones.
 
I wonder what they used to measure ball speed in the 1930s.
 
I know he was a champion athlete, clocked at 10.6 seconds over the 100 yards. Jesse Owens set the world 100m record at 10.2 in 1936. That suggests that Lindy would have run the 100m in 11.6 seconds.

Out of interest, Jesse was 94% as fast as Usain Bolt. Sprinting speeds have risen by 11% in the last 80 years. It seems reasonable to assume that bowling speeds have climbed by around the same ratio in that time.
 
Definitely not biting or chewing the ball. Slow down the video speed and you will realize that.

BTW I had posted this video longtime ago to highlight how Larwoods speed dramatically went up after retirement. Classic revisionism.

And the noball rule was different back then. The backfoot was what mattered.



I did and it still does not shed light on what exactly was he doing to the ball, can you provide a theory on that? I was gonna say something but the mods would have a field day after that :-P
 
Would you include the great Ray Lindwall in an All-Time XI or just an Australian All-time XI?

Today we celebrate the 100th birthday of legendary Ray Lindwall,arguably the most complete right arm fast bowler ever.Arguably no pace bowler posessed every attribute of the perfect pace bowler in a complete package more than Lindwall.,Many past greats like Alan Davidson,Fred Trueman and Denis Compton ranked Lindwall as the best fast bowler they ever saw,even above Dennis Lillee.Ray blended the grace of a Seagull flying ,with the skill of an engineer.Watching a video of Lindwall is similar to seeing a past impressionist masterpiece.

Lindwall posessed the most lethal of outswingers,deadliest of yorkers as well as an almost unplayable skidding bouncer.At a most express pace he swung a cricket ball ,with the control of a surgeon performing an operation.Like no one else in his time In the later part of his carer he developed an inswinger ,to supplement his armoury .He also had a very subtle or deceptive slower ball,that foxed batsmen.A batsman was unable to pick his bouncer till the release of the ball,such was his mastery of bio dynamics.He would slip in an extra fast yorker to simply bewilder batsmen.Lindwall could penetrate the gate of the best batsman on the most docile surfaces.No paceman made a delivery leave a batsman in the magnitude of Lindwall or produced such late outswinger.Hi s trumpcard was often following an outgoing ball with one that nipped sharply back from the seam.

His action was unorthodox with his right foot literally dragging down and his bowling arm falling to low in the follow through.No pace bowler dragged his back foot to such an extent,in the delivery stride. Still in the the manner he galvanised his momentum to reach the final delivery stride was sheer poetry in motion.being as rhythmical as a ballad dancer..Lindwall blended the power of a boxer ,with the grace of a painter,inspite of being one of the first post-war draggers.

The Lindwall-Keith Miller bowling partnership ,was close to the best pace duo ever.There could hardly be more contrasting bowlers like chalk and cheese.Miller was the more unpredictable ,but equally unplayable.

Amazingly Lindwall even has a test century to his credit ,scoring a blazing hundred at Melbourne in 1946-47,participating in an epic 154 run partnership with Don Tallon.

Arguably no pace bowler bowled better in an Ashes series in England as Lindwall in 1948,when he literally broke the back of the English batting line up.He took 27 wickets in the series at 19.62 apiece, including 6 for 20 at The Oval as England were bowled out for 52 in Bradman’s farewell Test. He mesmerized all with his pace, in conjunction with Miller becoming the most feared pair of opening bowlers since Jack Gregory and Ted McDonald. During the tour, he tormented batsmen with bumpers, hitting both Denis Compton and Cyril Washbrook on the head.In 1n the summer of 1953, he yorked Len Hutton with the second ball of the Test at Leeds, a dismissal acknowledge with the solemnity of declaration of war. In the West Indies later ,he sent shivers down the spine of batsmen,as none before.

It is worth recounting a John Arlott commentary where he narrates ho w Lindwall mesmerised the great Len Hutton,in the manner of casting a spell.In Ashes tests Lindwall captured 114 scalps ,in 29 test matches at an avergae of 22 runs apiece.

Lindwall's 3 ,7 wicket hauls compare favourably with the best pace bowing spells ever,be it is his 7-63 at Adelaide against India , his 7- 63 at Sydney,versus England . or his spectacular -7-43 at Madras.

Statistically Lindwall averaged 23.01 and his strike rate was over 55 ,but if one gives consideration to his era ,they were impressive.

I would place Lindwall in an -all-ltime Australian XI,to join Shane Warne,Glen Mcgrath and Dennis Lillee in the bowling attack.Overall
I would rank Lindwall amongst the top 6 fast bowlers ever.

Unlike Marshal,Wasim and Mcgrath ,he did not prove himself sufficiently on the sub -continent surfaces.Still it is ironic that he had a 7 wicket haul in an innings at Madras,which both Lillee or Mcgrath never acheived.Lindwall was not as hostile as Lillee or Marshall later,but may have surpassed them in terms of pure pace,craft and movement.To me in terms of all-round skill in the conventional sense, Lindwall l was the best right arm paceman of all.He was not as crafty or innovative as Wasim or Marshall,as quick as Larwood or Thomson,as accurate as Ambrose or Mcgrath or as determined or agressive as Lillee..However in the total package he was right up there.In my view,only Wasim Akram was more complete.

I have no doubt Lindwall would have prospered in any era, and mastered reverse swing.For sheer aesthetics or virtuosity ,he was at the very top. In my final analysis considering alll factors ,only
Marshall,Wasim,Mcgrath,Hadlee and Lillee rank above Lindwall.I would place him just a whisker above Ambrose,Imran ,Steyn ,Roberts or Trueman.John Woodcock has rated Lindwall at 22nd place amongst the 100 bets cricketers of all time,while Cristophr Martin Jenkins at 31st pace.

I would have sheerly loved to witness Lindwall bowling with Michael Holding,which would have taken cricketing aesthetics to sublime proportions.
 
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Australian pacers (min 100 wickets)
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CTB Turner [/td][td]1887-1895 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]16.53 [/td][td]1.93 [/td][td]51.2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AK Davidson [/td][td]1953-1963 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]186 [/td][td]20.53 [/td][td]1.97 [/td][td]62.2 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PJ Cummins [/td][td]2011-2021 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]164 [/td][td]21.59 [/td][td]2.74 [/td][td]47.1 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GD McGrath [/td][td]1993-2007 [/td][td]124 [/td][td]563 [/td][td]21.64 [/td][td]2.49 [/td][td]51.9 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KR Miller [/td][td]1946-1956 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]22.97 [/td][td]2.24 [/td][td]61.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RR Lindwall [/td][td]1946-1960 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]228 [/td][td]23.03 [/td][td]2.3 [/td][td]59.8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Harris [/td][td]2010-2015 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]23.52 [/td][td]2.78 [/td][td]50.7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DK Lillee [/td][td]1971-1984 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]355 [/td][td]23.92 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BA Reid [/td][td]1985-1992 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]24.63 [/td][td]2.67 [/td][td]55.2 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JR Hazlewood [/td][td]2014-2021 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]212 [/td][td]25.65 [/td][td]2.74 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JN Gillespie [/td][td]1996-2006 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]259 [/td][td]26.13 [/td][td]2.85 [/td][td]54.9 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PR Reiffel [/td][td]1992-1998 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]26.96 [/td][td]2.62 [/td][td]61.5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Giffen [/td][td]1881-1896 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]27.09 [/td][td]2.62 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TM Alderman [/td][td]1981-1991 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]27.15 [/td][td]2.72 [/td][td]59.8 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MHN Walker [/td][td]1972-1977 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]138 [/td][td]27.47 [/td][td]2.25 [/td][td]73.1 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Starc [/td][td]2011-2021 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]255 [/td][td]27.57 [/td][td]3.35 [/td][td]49.3 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JR Thomson [/td][td]1972-1985 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]200 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]3.18 [/td][td]52.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MG Hughes [/td][td]1985-1994 [/td][td]53 [/td][td]212 [/td][td]28.38 [/td][td]2.93 [/td][td]57.9 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MG Johnson [/td][td]2007-2015 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]313 [/td][td]28.4 [/td][td]3.33 [/td][td]51.1 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RM Hogg [/td][td]1978-1984 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]28.47 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CJ McDermott [/td][td]1984-1996 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]291 [/td][td]28.63 [/td][td]3.01 [/td][td]56.9 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Connolly [/td][td]1963-1971 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]29.22 [/td][td]2.28 [/td][td]76.6 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GD McKenzie [/td][td]1961-1971 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]246 [/td][td]29.78 [/td][td]2.48 [/td][td]71.8 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GF Lawson [/td][td]1980-1989 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]180 [/td][td]30.56 [/td][td]2.96 [/td][td]61.7 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PM Siddle [/td][td]2008-2019 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]221 [/td][td]30.66 [/td][td]2.92 [/td][td]62.9 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]B Lee [/td][td]1999-2008 [/td][td]76 [/td][td]310 [/td][td]30.81 [/td][td]3.46 [/td][td]53.3 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Kasprowicz [/td][td]1996-2006 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]32.88 [/td][td]3.12 [/td][td]63.1 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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In my all time Australian XI , Ray Lindwall would just miss out.
I'll go with bowling attack of Mcgrath , Lillee , Warne , Davidson and Miller.
I would pick Davidson over Lindwall because Davidson was Left Armer. He brings in more variety as others are right armer.
 
How do viewers here compare him with the likes of Marshall,Hadlee ,Mcgrath, Wasim,Imran Steyn ,AmbroseEtc?More complete or artistic?We have to consider era.
 
Australian pacers (min 100 wickets)
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CTB Turner [/td][td]1887-1895 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]16.53 [/td][td]1.93 [/td][td]51.2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AK Davidson [/td][td]1953-1963 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]186 [/td][td]20.53 [/td][td]1.97 [/td][td]62.2 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PJ Cummins [/td][td]2011-2021 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]164 [/td][td]21.59 [/td][td]2.74 [/td][td]47.1 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GD McGrath [/td][td]1993-2007 [/td][td]124 [/td][td]563 [/td][td]21.64 [/td][td]2.49 [/td][td]51.9 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KR Miller [/td][td]1946-1956 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]22.97 [/td][td]2.24 [/td][td]61.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RR Lindwall [/td][td]1946-1960 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]228 [/td][td]23.03 [/td][td]2.3 [/td][td]59.8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Harris [/td][td]2010-2015 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]23.52 [/td][td]2.78 [/td][td]50.7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DK Lillee [/td][td]1971-1984 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]355 [/td][td]23.92 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BA Reid [/td][td]1985-1992 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]24.63 [/td][td]2.67 [/td][td]55.2 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JR Hazlewood [/td][td]2014-2021 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]212 [/td][td]25.65 [/td][td]2.74 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JN Gillespie [/td][td]1996-2006 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]259 [/td][td]26.13 [/td][td]2.85 [/td][td]54.9 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PR Reiffel [/td][td]1992-1998 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]26.96 [/td][td]2.62 [/td][td]61.5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Giffen [/td][td]1881-1896 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]27.09 [/td][td]2.62 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TM Alderman [/td][td]1981-1991 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]27.15 [/td][td]2.72 [/td][td]59.8 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MHN Walker [/td][td]1972-1977 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]138 [/td][td]27.47 [/td][td]2.25 [/td][td]73.1 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Starc [/td][td]2011-2021 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]255 [/td][td]27.57 [/td][td]3.35 [/td][td]49.3 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JR Thomson [/td][td]1972-1985 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]200 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]3.18 [/td][td]52.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MG Hughes [/td][td]1985-1994 [/td][td]53 [/td][td]212 [/td][td]28.38 [/td][td]2.93 [/td][td]57.9 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MG Johnson [/td][td]2007-2015 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]313 [/td][td]28.4 [/td][td]3.33 [/td][td]51.1 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RM Hogg [/td][td]1978-1984 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]28.47 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CJ McDermott [/td][td]1984-1996 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]291 [/td][td]28.63 [/td][td]3.01 [/td][td]56.9 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Connolly [/td][td]1963-1971 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]29.22 [/td][td]2.28 [/td][td]76.6 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GD McKenzie [/td][td]1961-1971 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]246 [/td][td]29.78 [/td][td]2.48 [/td][td]71.8 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GF Lawson [/td][td]1980-1989 [/td][td]46 [/td][td]180 [/td][td]30.56 [/td][td]2.96 [/td][td]61.7 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PM Siddle [/td][td]2008-2019 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]221 [/td][td]30.66 [/td][td]2.92 [/td][td]62.9 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]B Lee [/td][td]1999-2008 [/td][td]76 [/td][td]310 [/td][td]30.81 [/td][td]3.46 [/td][td]53.3 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Kasprowicz [/td][td]1996-2006 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]32.88 [/td][td]3.12 [/td][td]63.1 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

In my all time Australian XI , Ray Lindwall would just miss out.
I'll go with bowling attack of Mcgrath , Lillee , Warne , Davidson and Miller.
I would pick Davidson over Lindwall because Davidson was Left Armer. He brings in more variety as others are right armer.

Where would you rank him anongst all - time greats?Top 5 or 10?
 
How do viewers here compare him with the likes of Marshall,Hadlee ,Mcgrath, Wasim,Imran Steyn ,AmbroseEtc?More complete or artistic?We have to consider era.

Lindy is right up there. Definitely Australian ATG IX material, with Lillee and McGrath.
 
Where would you rank him anongst all - time greats?Top 5 or 10?

I would pick likes of Marshall , Ambrose , Akram , Mcgrath , Hadlee , Steyn , Holding , Garner , Trueman , Donald , Imran , Waqar , Lillee over him for sure. That puts him out of all time top 10 fast bowlers.
He will be in top 20 though.

List of all pacers with min 100 wickets and under 25 average.
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Lohmann (ENG) [/td][td]1886-1896 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]112 [/td][td]10.75 [/td][td]1.88 [/td][td]34.1 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SF Barnes (ENG) [/td][td]1901-1914 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]189 [/td][td]16.43 [/td][td]2.36 [/td][td]41.6 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CTB Turner (AUS) [/td][td]1887-1895 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]16.53 [/td][td]1.93 [/td][td]51.2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AK Davidson (AUS) [/td][td]1953-1963 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]186 [/td][td]20.53 [/td][td]1.97 [/td][td]62.2 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Marshall (WI) [/td][td]1978-1991 [/td][td]81 [/td][td]376 [/td][td]20.94 [/td][td]2.68 [/td][td]46.7 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]J Garner (WI) [/td][td]1977-1987 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]259 [/td][td]20.97 [/td][td]2.47 [/td][td]50.8 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CEL Ambrose (WI) [/td][td]1988-2000 [/td][td]98 [/td][td]405 [/td][td]20.99 [/td][td]2.3 [/td][td]54.5 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NAT Adcock (SA) [/td][td]1953-1962 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]21.1 [/td][td]2.06 [/td][td]61.4 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]FS Trueman (ENG) [/td][td]1952-1965 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]307 [/td][td]21.57 [/td][td]2.61 [/td][td]49.4 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PJ Cummins (AUS) [/td][td]2011-2021 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]164 [/td][td]21.59 [/td][td]2.74 [/td][td]47.1 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GD McGrath (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2007 [/td][td]124 [/td][td]563 [/td][td]21.64 [/td][td]2.49 [/td][td]51.9 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AA Donald (SA) [/td][td]1992-2002 [/td][td]72 [/td][td]330 [/td][td]22.25 [/td][td]2.83 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) [/td][td]1973-1990 [/td][td]86 [/td][td]431 [/td][td]22.29 [/td][td]2.63 [/td][td]50.8 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VD Philander (SA) [/td][td]2011-2020 [/td][td]64 [/td][td]224 [/td][td]22.32 [/td][td]2.63 [/td][td]50.8 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Rabada (SA) [/td][td]2015-2021 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]213 [/td][td]22.75 [/td][td]3.3 [/td][td]41.2 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JJ Bumrah (INDIA) [/td][td]2018-2021 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]22.79 [/td][td]2.65 [/td][td]51.4 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]1971-1992 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]362 [/td][td]22.81 [/td][td]2.54 [/td][td]53.7 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DW Steyn (SA) [/td][td]2004-2019 [/td][td]93 [/td][td]439 [/td][td]22.95 [/td][td]3.24 [/td][td]42.3 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KR Miller (AUS) [/td][td]1946-1956 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]170 [/td][td]22.97 [/td][td]2.24 [/td][td]61.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RR Lindwall (AUS) [/td][td]1946-1960 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]228 [/td][td]23.03 [/td][td]2.3 [/td][td]59.8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Pollock (SA) [/td][td]1995-2008 [/td][td]108 [/td][td]421 [/td][td]23.11 [/td][td]2.39 [/td][td]57.8 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CEH Croft (WI) [/td][td]1977-1982 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]125 [/td][td]23.3 [/td][td]2.83 [/td][td]49.3 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Harris (AUS) [/td][td]2010-2015 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]23.52 [/td][td]2.78 [/td][td]50.7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Waqar Younis (PAK) [/td][td]1989-2003 [/td][td]87 [/td][td]373 [/td][td]23.56 [/td][td]3.25 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wasim Akram (PAK) [/td][td]1985-2002 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]414 [/td][td]23.62 [/td][td]2.59 [/td][td]54.6 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Holding (WI) [/td][td]1975-1987 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]249 [/td][td]23.68 [/td][td]2.79 [/td][td]50.9 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DK Lillee (AUS) [/td][td]1971-1984 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]355 [/td][td]23.92 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PM Pollock (SA) [/td][td]1961-1970 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]116 [/td][td]24.18 [/td][td]2.58 [/td][td]56.2 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IR Bishop (WI) [/td][td]1989-1998 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]161 [/td][td]24.27 [/td][td]2.78 [/td][td]52.2 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Asif (PAK) [/td][td]2005-2010 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]106 [/td][td]24.36 [/td][td]2.99 [/td][td]48.7 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CA Walsh (WI) [/td][td]1984-2001 [/td][td]132 [/td][td]519 [/td][td]24.44 [/td][td]2.53 [/td][td]57.8 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BA Reid (AUS) [/td][td]1985-1992 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]24.63 [/td][td]2.67 [/td][td]55.2 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fazal Mahmood (PAK) [/td][td]1952-1962 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]139 [/td][td]24.7 [/td][td]2.09 [/td][td]70.7 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Statham (ENG) [/td][td]1951-1965 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]252 [/td][td]24.84 [/td][td]2.33 [/td][td]63.7 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AV Bedser (ENG) [/td][td]1946-1955 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]236 [/td][td]24.89 [/td][td]2.21 [/td][td]67.4 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
 
Almost all the footage of Lindwall seems to suggest to the naked eye that he was chucking the ball. Kinda detracts from all the hype.
 
Like Shane Warne, for balance reasons he doesn’t quite make my All Time Australian XI.

1. Victor Trumper
2. Bob Simpson
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Don Bradman
5. Greg Chappell
6. Keith Miller
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Richie Benaud (c)
9. Alan Davidson
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

Warne, Lindwall and Harvey just don’t quite make it. And yes, I know Warne was a better bowler than Benaud, but Benaud was a better batsman and above all a better skipper.

Two teams were better than this one:

1. Greenidge
2. Haynes
3. Lara
4. Richards
5. Sobers
6. Lloyd (c)
7. Dujon
8. Marshall
9. Bishop
10. Holding
11. Ambrose

1. Smith (c)
2. Richards
3. Kallis
4. Pollock G
5. De Villiers (wk)
6. Rice
7. Procter
8. Pollock S
9. Steyn
10. Adcock
11. Traicos
 
Cricketers today are much more skilled and much more smarter. Of late test batting standard haven't been good but that is also due to DRS etc. Steyn etc are much better than glorified past players in terms of overall cricketing skills
 
Almost all the footage of Lindwall seems to suggest to the naked eye that he was chucking the ball. Kinda detracts from all the hype.

Agreed and if you watch the actions of a lot fast bowlers from the black and white era, it looks much the same .Chucking, now balls and ball tampering (Admitted by many county pros as a part of the game).
 
Like Shane Warne, for balance reasons he doesn’t quite make my All Time Australian XI.

1. Victor Trumper
2. Bob Simpson
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Don Bradman
5. Greg Chappell
6. Keith Miller
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Richie Benaud (c)
9. Alan Davidson
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

Warne, Lindwall and Harvey just don’t quite make it. And yes, I know Warne was a better bowler than Benaud, but Benaud was a better batsman and above all a better skipper.

Two teams were better than this one:

1. Greenidge
2. Haynes
3. Lara
4. Richards
5. Sobers
6. Lloyd (c)
7. Dujon
8. Marshall
9. Bishop
10. Holding
11. Ambrose

1. Smith (c)
2. Richards
3. Kallis
4. Pollock G
5. De Villiers (wk)
6. Rice
7. Procter
8. Pollock S
9. Steyn
10. Adcock
11. Traicos

Good work,analytical.However where do you rank Lindwall?Not on par with Lillee or Wasim?Was he not the most complete and ranked as the best by Compton,Davidson and Trueman?
 
Cricketers today are much more skilled and much more smarter. Of late test batting standard haven't been good but that is also due to DRS etc. Steyn etc are much better than glorified past players in terms of overall cricketing skills

More than 1970's and 80's ?With like of Viv Richards,Gavaskar,Lillee,Imran nad Hadlee?
 
People are making fun of of 70MPH.

I could be wrong but I think today we measure the speed at the time the ball is released from the bowler's hand.
I think in those days the speed was measured at the point bowl reached at the batsman's crease or even farther.

Even today, if the speed is measured at the time the ball reaches the batting crease, it will be significantly lower than what's shown on the TV screen.
 
Cricketers today are much more skilled and much more smarter. Of late test batting standard haven't been good but that is also due to DRS etc. Steyn etc are much better than glorified past players in terms of overall cricketing skills

They are more skilled in some ways such as fielding and hitting for power, but less skilled in other ways such as batting defensive technique.
 
People are making fun of of 70MPH.

I could be wrong but I think today we measure the speed at the time the ball is released from the bowler's hand.
I think in those days the speed was measured at the point bowl reached at the batsman's crease or even farther.

Even today, if the speed is measured at the time the ball reaches the batting crease, it will be significantly lower than what's shown on the TV screen.

They didn’t have radar or high speed cameras in the thirties.

Larwood at 70 mph is nonsense. At that speed, Les Ames would have been standing up to the stumps like the top keepers did to medium pacers.

Look at where the keeper and slips are standing, to get an idea of bowler speed in old footage..
 
I have long considered Lindwall a chucker so his record is about as relevant as Muralitharan's for me.

Overstepping due to toe-dragger action isn’t chucking.

I’m sure that if anyone had pointed this out to Lindy he would have started another step back so his drag began further back.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] I’ll have…

1. Stan McCabe
2. Bob Simpson
3. Allan Border (c)
4. Don Bradman
5. Greg Chappell
6. Keith Miller
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Ray Lindwall (he hit two test hundreds)
8. Shane Warne
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

Leaving Davo out is hard though.

On a spin wicket I’d drop one of the quicks and bring in Benaud.

Who gets the new ball is anyone’s guess….
 
Overstepping due to toe-dragger action isn’t chucking.

I’m sure that if anyone had pointed this out to Lindy he would have started another step back so his drag began further back.

The overstepping is a separate point and was within the laws of the game at the time.

The issue is quite clearly that he was throwing most of his deliveries, especially the bumpers.
 
The overstepping is a separate point and was within the laws of the game at the time.

The issue is quite clearly that he was throwing most of his deliveries, especially the bumpers.

Can’t see if he straightened his elbow from side on.
 
that video says it all.
and the very fact that there is a video and analysis on it says Lindwall was found out though why he was never reported is a big question.
 
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