[VIDEO] Vernon Philander as coach - Performance Watch

[Colorblind Genius]

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Listen to the conversation starting at 0:08 to 0:17

Philander: Your field upfront?"

Hassan Ali: "Yeh!" (absolutely clueless)

Philander: "So what it's gonna be?"

Hassan Ali: "When you feel upfront?" (Are you asking me what does it mean?)

Philander: "No, no, I said your field, you bowl your full to your bowling?

Hassan Ali: Yeh! (Clueless), and looks the other way.


Please send this to PCB so that a translator can be hired to solve the issue. Otherwise, not only Phliander's time and valuable coaching advice goes into the gutter, we lose a lot of money too.

What was Ramiz thinking?

 

[Major]

Thats what happens when you bring in clueless people like rameez. He could had let Misbah complete his contract but Rameez resorted to unprofessionalism

 

[Rana]

Well, Hassan clearly feels up front...whatever it is to feel up front.

 

[Zaz]

What does feel upfront mean?

 

[Rana]

Thats what happens when you bring in clueless people like rameez. He could had let Misbah complete his contract but Rameez resorted to unprofessionalism

Misbah left himself, he wasn’t sacked, he was going to be sacked after the T20 World Cup.

 

[Major]

Misbah left himself, he wasn’t sacked, he was going to be sacked after the T20 World Cup.

Misbah left because Rameez was being unprofessional by being in coaches for the series and than asking Misbah to just sit and wait and we might allow you to coach in the world cup

Rameez Raja could had not done that, plus it was upto the PCB whether to accept his resignation or talk to him and clear things out, but rameez motives were there for everyone to see

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What does feel upfront mean?

exactly!
That's what Hassan should've asked.

 

[Saj]

In the past the likes of Mushtaq Ahmed would be around to act as a translator if the players had issues understanding foreign coaches.

 

[Rana]

Maybe Waqar Younis can explain what feeling upfront means &#55357;&#56834;

 

[Bewal Express]

Big Vern is a great strategist but PK don't need him or any other coach.

 

[Caved12]

What does feel upfront mean in cricket? I have been playing cricket for 20 years and no coach has ever come to me or any other bowler and asked us a silly question like that? Cricket has a very simple language and all players and coaches should choose to keep all these cricket terms as simple as possible especially when you are a coach of a team that don't speak english as their first language. I am sure Vernon will correct this as he is so new to this business and probably still in the process of being comfortable with his new position.

 

[zain7077]

The OP couldn’t h understand himself. He said field upfront.

 

[Caved12]

The OP couldn’t h understand himself. He said field upfront.

Even if he said field upfront? What does that even mean? and why is he saying this to a bowler who is in the process of bowling in nets? I am just trying to understand.

 

[kingusama92]

Even I don't know what he meant.

 

[Savak]

Thats what happens when you bring in clueless people like rameez. He could had let Misbah complete his contract but Rameez resorted to unprofessionalism

Ramiz deserves every accolades for kicking Misbah ul Haq out on his behind

 

[Savak]

Based on my understanding, Vernon is asking questions from the bowlers ie what is your field? What are you trying to do with the ball? What is your aim? He is trying to get the bowlers to think

 

[Rajdeep]

Even if he said field upfront? What does that even mean? and why is he saying this to a bowler who is in the process of bowling in nets? I am just trying to understand.

Not fielding upfront...he asked if he is feeling upfront. Basically Philander is asking Hassan if his shoulders are feeling front on during his delivery stride. Its a technical term where coaches ask bowlers to have a front on position to generate seam movement. Philander himself was master in it and so were the likes of Asif, McGrath, Ryan Harris etc.

 

[Caved12]

Not fielding upfront...he asked if he is feeling upfront. Basically Philander is asking Hassan if his shoulders are feeling front on during his delivery stride. Its a technical term where coaches ask bowlers to have a front on position to generate seam movement. Philander himself was master in it and so were the likes of Asif, McGrath, Ryan Harris etc.

lol, this is not a technical term. If this was used as often as you suggest, then Hassan and I would have known this term and would have picked up this term from other english speaking coaches by playing all over the world. The point I am trying to make is that this is a very common issue with coaching where they have trouble explaining themselves and correcting mistakes because they don't know how to coach and communicate to their players.

Whether this is a technical term or not, Vernon should try and use as simple language as possible and if he notices that Hassan did not understand what he said, then he should go in details to convey his message.

 

[Caved12]

Based on my understanding, Vernon is asking questions from the bowlers ie what is your field? What are you trying to do with the ball? What is your aim? He is trying to get the bowlers to think

I am sure it has to be one of those questions or what else the coach can say to his bowler, but the point I am trying to make is that Did Hassan understand what he was talking about?

Did Vernon offer a better explanation once he noticed that it went all over his head?

 

[Caved12]

This is a very serious issue in coaching these days and something that needs to be discussed and corrected for our future generations. 98% of them have no idea what they are doing because cricket is one of the toughest game to coach.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

This is a very serious issue in coaching these days and something that needs to be discussed and corrected for our future generations. 98% of them have no idea what they are doing because cricket is one of the toughest game to coach.

The biggest issue is the attitude of the players.

Hassan in this case shows no interest or being keen to take advantage of Philander's coaching.

If he was serious in picking up anything from Phil, he would've asked him what does it mean and how can he implement.

But he just shrugs it off of his shoulders and doesn't give a rat's rear end of Phil is asking.

I also noted a subtle hint of arrogance in how Hassan walks away, watch the conversation between Phil and Hassan at 0:34.

Look at Hassan's facial expression and body language. No smile, no assurance to the coach, no interest in learning ... he just wants to walk away, which he does, while the coach is still talking.

 

[Caved12]

The biggest issue is the attitude of the players.

Hassan in this case shows no interest or being keen to take advantage of Philander's coaching.

If he was serious in picking up anything from Phil, he would've asked him what does it mean and how can he implement.

But he just shrugs it off of his shoulders and doesn't give a rat's rear end of Phil is asking.

I also noted a subtle hint of arrogance in how Hassan walks away, watch the conversation between Phil and Hassan at 0:34.

Look at Hassan's facial expression and body language. No smile, no assurance to the coach, no interest in learning ... he just wants to walk away, which he does, while the coach is still talking.

My sincere apologies in advance.

Even if that is the case, I am not interested in discussing the attitude of the players. At least not in this thread.

I personally feel that Hassan looked as down to earth as possible at all times while talking to Vernon as his face expressions and questioning proved that he was just trying to understand, so he can bowl as per the instructions of his bowling coach.

As for walking away, He has to as there is another bowler coming from the same end, so bowlers have to continue moving to their spots as this is an on going net session where all players are practicing together. Trust me, Vernon is completely in his ears even when he was walking back and Hassan is listening like a good child.

 

[hitthestump]

Looool give Vernon a break! He has probably no experience of Pakistani's which is hard enough for anyone, let alone being a rookie coach.

The lack of respect and attitudes being shown in this thread towards a top class bowler who's actually willing to help us out might be indicative of why Pakistan remains unmoved as a pathetic pariah state.

 

[Caved12]

exactly!
That's what Hassan should've asked.

and he totally did, so not sure what you are talking about. Please watch the video again.

 

[Caved12]

Looool give Vernon a break! He has probably no experience of Pakistani's which is hard enough for anyone, let alone being a rookie coach.

The lack of respect and attitudes being shown in this thread towards a top class bowler who's actually willing to help us out might be indicative of why Pakistan remains unmoved as a pathetic pariah state.

lol, take it easy and learn to seperate the person from the problem. I am sure we all respect Vernon the player, but Vernon the coach still has a long way to go as he has no achievements in this field.

 

[Caved12]

I am sure Vernon will learn and become a better coach as he spends more time in these coaching roles.

 

[Rana]

I am hopeful that Vernon will teach the boys to swing the ball better than Waqar Younis ever did in his entire career as a bowling coach!

 

[Firebat]

I'm pretty sure Philander is saying "your field up front?", as in how would you set your field when you start bowling. Hassan misunderstood it as "feel up front". Then when Philander clarifies, the video cuts off just after one word from Hassan so we don't even know Hassan's full reply.

You can even see him talking to Shaheen later in the video about the field he would set.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[Shazzam]

I don't see anything wrong with the video. Our players are constantly in front of the media if they don't know how to listen to simple commands in English than they should not be selected to begin with.

 

[Caved12]

Feeling up front or fielding up front, none of these terms have any meaning in cricket if not completed by the following sentence.

Question for [MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION] and other posters.

Field up front - When Vernon says this to Hassan, what kind of field placing is he suggesting or asking for?

 

[mon858]

I think he is talking about the outfielders being in front like long on long off or keeping fine leg third man deep. Yes there may be some comms issues but overall I don't think it's a big deal. We didn't get to hear rest of that conversation so he probably got the clarify afterwards anyway.
Also good to see he is working with batsmen as well.

 

[Sycamore]

While rameez maybe a clown, i'd rather try something different than going back to waqar younis for 7th time. Providing a fresh outside perspective is imperative in any business.

That exchange was hilarious though.

 

[BaankeJi]

He is asking if fielding on Hassan's bowling is going to be upfront. After getting an answer, he will convey that to batsman so that batsman can play their shots accordingly.
Hassan understood that and he replied in affirmative.
In this net session Vernon is encouraging batsmen to take runs if batsman thinks there is a run. For that batsman has to know where fielders are and that is what Vernon is asking Hassan.
There is no issue here guyz.

 

[Snowflake]

He is asking if fielding on Hassan's bowling is going to be upfront. After getting an answer, he will convey that to batsman so that batsman can play their shots accordingly.
Hassan understood that and he replied in affirmative.
In this net session Vernon is encouraging batsmen to take runs if batsman thinks there is a run. For that batsman has to know where fielders are and that is what Vernon is asking Hassan.
There is no issue here guyz.

I think your explanation makes a lot of sense - though, "upfront" is still a weird term to describe field setting. I guess Phil will understand with time that he needs to use simple words to get his message across and he cannot just speak the way he would to someone who is well-versed in English.

I do like this method of net practice though. With a set field in mind, both bowlers and batsmen can somewhat play according to a particular situation!

 

[OMB]

I thought I heard it was feel up front..like as in "are you feeling confident about this?"
Perhaps Vernon could simply say that hasan bhai change this and that. Direct instructions work better sometimes

 

[Ryw]

When your field is upfront, whats your plan to bowl? Trying to ask him bowl according to upfront field. It happens when fielders are upfront and bowlers bowling short pitch half trackers and went for boundries

 

[Barragan]

Based on my understanding, Vernon is asking questions from the bowlers ie what is your field? What are you trying to do with the ball? What is your aim? He is trying to get the bowlers to think

This makes so much sense.

Trying to make him feel his field setting and the deliveries he is going to bowl.

 

[zarak]

They are doing match simulations rather than just bowling. He is asking him if he is bowling to his upfront field. This way he can evaluate weather a drive to cover point by the batter is a four or a single to the sweeper.

If you pay attention he even told the batters to run every time they think it is a run. Babar hit one to third man but did not run because he felt point would cut it off.

 

[Mamoon]

Philander is not making himself clear but Hassan is not even interested in listening to him. It is very disrespectful.

He clearly has an attitude problem and success goes to his head very quickly. Looks like another thrashing by Rohit in the UAE would knock him back to his senses.

His head was in the clouds before the 2018 Asia Cup as well, but he turned into a kitten for 2 years after the chitrol handed out by Rohit and Dhawan in Dubai.

 

[zarak]

Philander is not making himself clear but Hassan is not even interested in listening to him. It is very disrespectful.

He clearly has an attitude problem and success goes to his head very quickly. Looks like another thrashing by Rohit in the UAE would knock him back to his senses.

His head was in the clouds before the 2018 Asia Cup as well, but he turned into a kitten for 2 years after the chitrol handed out by Rohit and Dhawan in Dubai.

great deduction from a ten second clip. Clearly he disrespects Philander who is mediocre coach hired by a mediocre board representing a mediocre cricketing nation.

 

[Usman Chadda]

great deduction from a ten second clip. Clearly he disrespects Philander who is mediocre coach hired by a mediocre board representing a mediocre cricketing nation.

Don’t bother, our fans are dumb and are more interested in dramaybaazi than anything else.

 

[Firebat]

Feeling up front or fielding up front, none of these terms have any meaning in cricket if not completed by the following sentence.

Question for [MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION] and other posters.

Field up front - When Vernon says this to Hassan, what kind of field placing is he suggesting or asking for?

Philander is asking how does Hassan like to set his field when he starts bowling and then the video gets cut off. That's it.

Later in the video Philander talks to Shaheen about the exact same thing "your field up front", and they talk about if Shaheen is comfortable with the fine leg up.

 

[OMB]

Philander is asking how does Hassan like to set his field when he starts bowling and then the video gets cut off. That's it.

Later in the video Philander talks to Shaheen about the exact same thing "your field up front", and they talk about if Shaheen is comfortable with the fine leg up.

ahh that explains. thanks

 

[UzmanBeast]

I'm pretty sure Philander is saying "your field up front?", as in how would you set your field when you start bowling. Hassan misunderstood it as "feel up front". Then when Philander clarifies, the video cuts off just after one word from Hassan so we don't even know Hassan's full reply.

You can even see him talking to Shaheen later in the video about the field he would set.

Much ado about nothing.

He said field. I don't know what posters here are spreading.

Vernon is trying to be professional; he's trying to ask the bowlers where their fields are, what they want so that he can assess whether they're bowling where they should be.

You can't expect him to know that a bowler has a long-off for example, and then bowls on leg-stump. How is he going to give advice?

With Shaheen, there was talk about the third man and the field, and Vernon was able to tell him to bowl a bit fuller when Rizwan played the pull.

It's all about communication; our bowlers need to communicate if they want to do well.

So I agree with what you've said. We need a translator as people have mentioned, to make sure that there is no discrepancy at that stage.

Wait until Hayden comes, the language barrier will grow more difficult because an Australian accent is sometimes difficult to understand.

 

[Saj]

Tough task this.

If Pakistan don't do well, he'll be shown the door. Even if they do well, there is no guarantee he will be kept on.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Well atleast he is making the bowlers bowl according to a specific fields. I am sure he would be following some training regimes similar to the ones that he underwent as a player. It's still better than Jaan Maro, stumps pr gaind phenko coaching.

 

[LordJames]

He said field. I don't know what posters here are spreading.

Vernon is trying to be professional; he's trying to ask the bowlers where their fields are, what they want so that he can assess whether they're bowling where they should be.

You can't expect him to know that a bowler has a long-off for example, and then bowls on leg-stump. How is he going to give advice?

With Shaheen, there was talk about the third man and the field, and Vernon was able to tell him to bowl a bit fuller when Rizwan played the pull.

It's all about communication; our bowlers need to communicate if they want to do well.

So I agree with what you've said. We need a translator as people have mentioned, to make sure that there is no discrepancy at that stage.

Wait until Hayden comes, the language barrier will grow more difficult because an Australian accent is sometimes difficult to understand.

Thank You.

It is crystal clear in plain English what he is saying and Hasan misunderstood so he clarified it, no issues. English is not the first language of Hasan so also no issue if he initially didn't understand it.

Philander: "No, no, I said your field, you bowl your full to your bowling?

he does not say full...

 

[MenInG]

Hassan Ali taking note of what Philander is saying

 

[MenInG]

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"Good morning to everyone here in Pakistan - I just wanted to say a massive thank you for having me for the last couple of days here in Lahore. Thank you for your hospitality, it's been really awesome to be back here after, I think, about 14 years since the last time I have been here"

"I have really enjoyed my time working with the young bowlers over here and I will do my best I can to prepare them for the T20 World Cup and hopefully we will bring the T20 World Cup back"

"Again, thanks and its been awesome to be back here and hopefully we will have cricket over in Pakistan real soon again and I wish you guys well and have a great day"

 

[Caved12]

Hilarious responses from the posters here. Once again, and please do not guess, What exactly is fileding up front? Just accept that Vernon should have been more clear and should have provided more details especially when he noticed that Hassan did not understand the field placing that he was suggesting or asking for.

No matter how good Vernon is, he has a long way to go as he is in the same boat as Misbah - No prior coaching experience. Besides, we have a terrible team with an unbelieveable amount of changes as of late, so helping these guys win this tournament is always going to be an almost impossible task for Vernon. I personally want foreign coaches to take up all these coaching positions, but coaches who have experience.

Vernon and Hayden have my full support as this is the best Rameez could have done on such short notice.

Hopefully I will have time to dissect the video above and provide my version of the proceedings there, which is totally different than yours, but this is not something I ever wanted to do as that will take the focus away from the point I have been trying to raise.

 

[Caved12]

Hassan Ali taking note of what Philander is saying

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Must be thinking how Vernon was such a great bowler who was always able to bowl full to his full by having the field up front with such strong feelings that also always came from up front

 

[Firebat]

Hilarious responses from the posters here. Once again, and please do not guess, What exactly is fileding up front? Just accept that Vernon should have been more clear and should have provided more details especially when he noticed that Hassan did not understand the field placing that he was suggesting or asking for.

Why are you refusing to comprehend what's been clearly explained by multiple posters?

Once again, and please read carefully:

Vernon is asking Hassan "your field up front?" - the word "field" in this case is a noun, so you asking what does "fielding up front" mean is irrelevant, as that's not what Vernon is saying. He is asking Hassan what would his field be when he goes to bowl his first ball in a match, in other words "what's your field up front?"

Hassan misunderstands this as Vernon was not very clear in how he said it, but he clarifies literally 5 seconds later and the video cuts off. Vernon says one unclear thing that is still understood by almost everyone here except you, yet you seem to be placing far more importance on it than a 5-second misunderstanding between coach and player in a net session deserves.

 

[Caved12]

Why are you refusing to comprehend what's been clearly explained by multiple posters?

Once again, and please read carefully:

Vernon is asking Hassan "your field up front?" - the word "field" in this case is a noun, so you asking what does "fielding up front" mean is irrelevant, as that's not what Vernon is saying. He is asking Hassan what would his field be when he goes to bowl his first ball in a match, in other words "what's your field up front?"

Hassan misunderstands this as Vernon was not very clear in how he said it, but he clarifies literally 5 seconds later and the video cuts off. Vernon says one unclear thing that is still understood by almost everyone here except you, yet you seem to be placing far more importance on it than a 5-second misunderstanding between coach and player in a net session deserves.

Please stop with this nonsense and tell me exactly what fielding up front is? Hassan clearly did not understand, so asked him exactly what he meant? on which Vernon replied and left him more confused because the terminology that Vernon used, was not very professional. As of matter of fact, Vernon for a moment looked confused himself as to how to reply and provide a better explanation when Hassan did not understand what he meant.

Let me make it easy for you - Just explain where these 9 fielders are with the setting of this up front field?

how many combinations of cricket field placement do fall in the category of "fielding up front"?

Does fielding up front mean to have both front fielders inside the 30 yard circle? Mid on or mid off, or outside the circle - long on or long off?

Do short mid wicket or short extra cover also come into play in this great and mysterious category of "fielding up front' ?

Hopefully I will get the answers this time.

Btw, the professional cricketer Hassan who was also the player of the tournament in champions trophy where we beat India in final, had no idea what fielding up front meant.

 

[LordJames]

1) Your field, upfront?

is not the same in English as

2) Fielding up front?

1 is what was said, it is perfectly clear and well understood. Hasan Ali didn't get it at first and it was clarified seconds later and there are no issues.

2 is invented by posters so they can debate and create a controversy.

 

[Caved12]

1) Your field, upfront?

is not the same in English as

2) Fielding up front?

1 is what was said, it is perfectly clear and well understood. Hasan Ali didn't get it at first and it was clarified seconds later and there are no issues.

2 is invented by posters so they can debate and create a controversy.

Since you understand this so well, may be you can answer the questions that I asked in my post above? Thank you.

 

[LordJames]

It's not "fielding upfront!"

It's:

Your field, upfront? It's a query!

And it has been explained by multiple people in various different ways.

Thanks

 

[Caved12]

[MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION], Sorry I read your post again and understand exactly what you are saying.

Think about this, Vernon is in charge there and there is no way he is asking Hassan for his initial field set as they are in the middle of this practice session and all these things should have already been discussed by Vernon at the start of this practice session. Vernon should have already given them the plan for what they are going to cover in this on going practice session. If Vernon is really asking Hassan or any other bowler for their initial field set in the middle of this practice session, then Vernon has no idea what he is doing there and he should be fired immediately.
[MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION] and [MENTION=139512]LordJames[/MENTION] - My sincere apologies for the mistake of "fielding up front" in my posts above. I always meant to write "field up front" but never ever thought that Vernon was going around and asking bowlers for their intial field set in the middle of this practice session.

 

[Caved12]

He said field. I don't know what posters here are spreading.

Vernon is trying to be professional; he's trying to ask the bowlers where their fields are, what they want so that he can assess whether they're bowling where they should be.

You can't expect him to know that a bowler has a long-off for example, and then bowls on leg-stump. How is he going to give advice?

With Shaheen, there was talk about the third man and the field, and Vernon was able to tell him to bowl a bit fuller when Rizwan played the pull.

It's all about communication; our bowlers need to communicate if they want to do well.

So I agree with what you've said. We need a translator as people have mentioned, to make sure that there is no discrepancy at that stage.

Wait until Hayden comes, the language barrier will grow more difficult because an Australian accent is sometimes difficult to understand.

Are bowlers running this session or the coach? it would not be much of a practice if such things are not discussed and decided before the start of every delivery.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Are bowlers running this session or the coach? it would not be much of a practice if such things are not discussed and decided before the start of every delivery.

The coach is running this particular session and giving advice.

The bowler doesn't understand what the coach is saying due to a language barrier.

The coach is doing his job, it's up to the bowler to take advantage of the opportunities provided.

Bowling to the field is something all of our pacers struggle with, they should be taking advantage of Philander's expertise.

 

[Firebat]

[MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION], Sorry I read your post again and understand exactly what you are saying.

Think about this, Vernon is in charge there and there is no way he is asking Hassan for his initial field set as they are in the middle of this practice session and all these things should have already been discussed by Vernon at the start of this practice session. Vernon should have already given them the plan for what they are going to cover in this on going practice session. If Vernon is really asking Hassan or any other bowler for their initial field set in the middle of this practice session, then Vernon has no idea what he is doing there and he should be fired immediately.
[MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION] and [MENTION=139512]LordJames[/MENTION] - My sincere apologies for the mistake of "fielding up front" in my posts above. I always meant to write "field up front" but never ever thought that Vernon was going around and asking bowlers for their intial field set in the middle of this practice session.

You're analysing it far too much, and neither of us are professional cricket coaches. We have no context whatsoever, it is just an amalgamation of short clips.

He could have just been asking that after they've finished their warmup and now wants them to bowl to a certain match situation and field, starting with their initial field set. Who knows the structure of the sessions and who knows the context of the clips, it's just a promotional edited video. Analyse the results he gets instead.

 

[Golden arm]

Hilarious responses from the posters here. Once again, and please do not guess, What exactly is fileding up front? Just accept that Vernon should have been more clear and should have provided more details especially when he noticed that Hassan did not understand the field placing that he was suggesting or asking for.

No matter how good Vernon is, he has a long way to go as he is in the same boat as Misbah - No prior coaching experience. Besides, we have a terrible team with an unbelieveable amount of changes as of late, so helping these guys win this tournament is always going to be an almost impossible task for Vernon. I personally want foreign coaches to take up all these coaching positions, but coaches who have experience.

Vernon and Hayden have my full support as this is the best Rameez could have done on such short notice.

Hopefully I will have time to dissect the video above and provide my version of the proceedings there, which is totally different than yours, but this is not something I ever wanted to do as that will take the focus away from the point I have been trying to raise.

Ramiz could have poached Andy flower as chief consultant for T20 World Cup.

I think in future this would be the way to go. You will get short term commitments from foreign coaches for intl assignments under local head coach like Saqi.

 

[Bewal Express]

Tough task this.

If Pakistan don't do well, he'll be shown the door. Even if they do well, there is no guarantee he will be kept on.

If he can get Haris to stop bowling those awful short bowls that reach the belly button and get whacked for 4 or 6, then he has made a difference. But as I have said many times, does anyone need to tell any bowler such basic stuff

 

[OMB]

If he can get Haris to stop bowling those awful short bowls that reach the belly button and get whacked for 4 or 6, then he has made a difference. But as I have said many times, does anyone need to tell any bowler such basic stuff

to be fair, Vernon as a coach can only tell and tweak what he sees.
He hasn't spent an year to know these bowlers well so don't expect earth shattering discoveries but only basics

 

[Bewal Express]

to be fair, Vernon as a coach can only tell and tweak what he sees.
He hasn't spent an year to know these bowlers well so don't expect earth shattering discoveries but only basics

When I take over a class I ask for their previous work and see where I can make a difference. If the guy has anything about him, surely its the least he can do.

 

[MenInG]

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[Hassaan HS]

VERNON PHILANDER: Yesterday obviously brilliant performance by the team. I think it also comes on the back of some hard work the last two and a half weeks. Obviously all the way in Pakistan, to set things up, and then it just continued.

So the boys are in a good space. Brilliant start last night.

How important would it be to keep the team grounded after a stupendous brilliant win against a dangerous team like New Zealand?

VERNON PHILANDER: Absolutely it's a valid point you are making. We had a meeting earlier. Highlighted the importance of really staying grounded. And last night was a massive win for all boys. Make no mistake about it.

But we've also got a tournament obviously at hand and the boys will stay focused. Really today's talk was really about putting last night behind us and focus on what's obviously to come tomorrow. Tomorrow's going to be another big game. And hopefully the boys will reset and be ready and focused for tomorrow.

Though we have achieved a massive big win against India, there were some loopholes when it comes to Hasan Ali bowling, conceding too many runs. What are your plans for tomorrow's bat against New Zealand? Will you go for the same bowling options, or you have a different opinion going into that match?

VERNON PHILANDER: Look, I think the final 11 is completely up to the coach and the selection panel.

As far as Hasan is concerned, we know what a champion bowler he is. There's always going to be someone on the night that unfortunately cannot travel. But I think he's bowled really well. He's showed some good heart. Maybe just execution here and there that obviously wasn't on par.

But as from a general overall bowling performance, I think the boys did pretty well. It was a strong boundary he had to defend as well. Those things are quite tough and difficult at times, but in general and as a whole I think the boys bowled really well.

Barber has said in his prepress conference that the teams are bolstered by the bowling. Keeping in this mind, how much confident are you of your bowling lineup and just some words about change up of previous bowling yesterday?

VERNON PHILANDER: Giving them the freedom to strike and that's what we discussed. I think from my side the consistency do come in to play obviously. And, yeah, you want to encourage the guys to keep being positive, because obviously if you strike with a new bowl you're putting the team in the game. I'd encourage them to go with it. But of course for me consistency is important. But as we know bowlers do win the game in T20 cricket. We want to make sure they keep having a positive outlook on the game. And yes, hopefully we'll get a lot more cricket in the series.

From your playing days until now, what is the difference you have seen in Pakistani team after that win over India?

VERNON PHILANDER: I think for me, having played against Pakistan over the years as well, I think the big thing that has been lacking is probably a little bit consistency. And we really want to highlight the intensity with which they play at. (Indiscernible) stepped up a gear, how they went about their business. For me it's really about making sure you play with good intensity and you really can keep it there for a long period of time. So I think for me probably boils down to intensity.

Could you please talk us through all the three wickets that Shaheen took yesterday and also on the angle that we see the left-on pacers to create, which goes on to make life difficult for the batsmen?

VERNON PHILANDER: He's such a wonderful talent. You have to make sure you encourage him to keep doing what he's doing. But I think for a really long time, left-arm quicks have really lost probably that in-swinging ball, and I think it's such a great experiment of that intermediate bowl (indiscernible).

You have been into the bowling coaching over the last two, three weeks. How good are Pakistani bowlers, how good learners they are, and how good are they progressing under your guidance?

VERNON PHILANDER: I think I've said it before, they're highly skilled bunch of bowlers. I've been watching your local T20 tournament in Pakistan as well. Still a lot of good quality seam bowlers in the system.

I think the guys have taken well to the way I want to do things. It all boils down to the working relationship of really trusting one another.

But I think from a skill point of view, probably some of the best I've ever seen and obviously come across. So it really excites me to be working with them and hopefully I can hopefully take them a step higher in their careers and hopefully for a long time to be successful with their own careers.

Obviously your first experience the other night with Pakistan-India. Just what was that like and what was the experience been like in your new role?

VERNON PHILANDER: Probably no greater way to start it than with the India/Pakistan game. I think it was probably one of the biggest spectacles the cricket world will ever seen. Pakistan and India, such an amazing atmosphere to be part of it.

To come out on top, really puts a cherry on the cake. But I think for us as a squad as a whole, the guys have really prepared well.

And you could have sensed the calmness amongst the team, amongst the captain here. And it was a great spectacle, like I said, to be part of. And hopefully we can go from strength to strength and hopefully we can make the playoffs and hopefully into the final later on in the competition.

 

[MenInG]

Philander with M Wasim Jr

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[MenInG]

"Like riding a bicycle" says Vernon Philander as he bowls in the nets!

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[Justcrazy]

Pakistan should extend the contract with Philander , he can be useful for under 19 as well.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Vernon Philander

I was under the impression that Vernon was hired as a bowling consultant for T20 WC.He is with Pakistan team in Bangladesh.Has PCB extended his contract?.I hope he stays with the team until the tour ends.He has not worked with Naseem Shah,Faheem and Abbas yet.I think Waseem jnr has improved his bowling under Vernon.

 

[Saj]

I was under the impression that Vernon was hired as a bowling consultant for T20 WC.He is with Pakistan team in Bangladesh.Has PCB extended his contract?.I hope he stays with the team until the tour ends.He has not worked with Naseem Shah,Faheem and Abbas yet.I think Waseem jnr has improved his bowling under Vernon.

He's there for part of the tour of Bangladesh as well.

Then I guess it depends on whether PCB want him and his availability.

 

[Savak]

He's there for part of the tour of Bangladesh as well.

Then I guess it depends on whether PCB want him and his availability.

He will likely be asked to reapply if he is interested in a full time role

 

[MenInG]

National cricket team bowling consultant Vernon Philander to leave tomorrow's squad

Vernon Philander will leave Bangladesh for South Africa between Monday and Tuesday night.

Initially, Vernon Philander was scheduled to leave Dhaka for Cape Town on December 1 after the first Test but now has to leave for South Africa soon due to flight closure

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistani pace bowling has been decent during his tenure.

Good start to Vernon's coaching career.

 

[Savak]

He is going to be replaced by Umar Gul for the Pakistan West Indies series

 

[MenInG]

Vernon Philander in his farewell comments:

"I enjoyed being part of this team, all the players are hardworking and I loved getting to know the players

"I had a good time with the players during the mega event, and I got a chance to understand them"

"I got to gradually explain to the players the things they needed to work on and the players responded very well which I liked"

"Unfortunately whilst we lost in the semi-finals of the ICC T20 World Cup, the team played very well overall"

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[silentkiller187]

Seems like a good guy, players seemed to like him and i think he can only get better in his coaching career, now that he has ties with us maybe he can come back and work again with us in the future.

Umar Gul another coach still young in the game but has the potential again to have an impact to takeover lets hope we never see waqar as our bowling coach again.

 

[MenInG]

Vernon Philander will speak to the PCB next week about a role as a Coach with Pakistan team.

 

[Justcrazy]

I hope he is made full time bowling coach , it will benefit Pakistan Team a lot.

 

[MenInG]

For a Proteas legend who wore the famous green and gold more than 100 times across all formats, it felt a bit weird for Vernon Philander seeing himself in the colours of Pakistan.

The “Big Vern”, who was Pakistan’s bowling consultant at the T20 World Cup in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) late last year, said working with the tournament semi-finalists was a blessing and an opportunity to serve and take the game forward.

Philander claimed 269 wickets in Tests, ODIs and T20s as a reliable all-rounder in his highly successful international playing career that spanned more than a decade.

“It did feel a bit weird initially wearing the Pakistani kit,” he said, adding he is available to help SA cricket if called upon.

“I said to Matthew Hayden [the Australia legend who was Pakistan's batting consultant] that we are serving the game of cricket. It has been part of our DNA.

"Whether it is with Pakistan, SA or Australia, you want to make sure the game of cricket moves forward. That is what we have devoted ourselves to after stepping off the playing field and we want to make sure the game moves forward and in the right direction.

“You go across, build up experience, pick up what’s going on around the world and see how people do things from a team culture point of view. Hopefully those are some of the things one can plough back into SA cricket in the future.”

Philander worked closely with Pakistan's established bowlers Shaheen Afridi, Hasan Ali, Mohammad Nawaz and Haris Rauf at the World Cup.

“For me it was a big blessing to have worked with the Pakistani bowlers. There is a lot more than just dealing with the guy who goes out to play on the park.

“You need to understand the guy on a personal level, what’s going on behind the scenes, how you can challenge him and at what sort of level can you challenge him to.

“It takes personal intervention and personal touch, , the trust factor going both ways where you trust the player and he trusts you as a consultant and bowling coach.

“Any coach becomes that mentor, friend, tough buddy and you need to understand the people you are dealing with, and that is something I have learned being part of the Pakistani squad.

“It is about a personal touch; tomorrow you walk out of the job and people can still pick up the phone to call you and ask what they can do to improve themselves and their game.”

Philander said he is not considering going into coaching on a full-time basis.

“For now it will probably be consultancy. I want to be flexible because I have just stepped off the playing field.

“Getting a coaching contract will mean I am again tied down and will be travelling again. With consultancy, you can come whenever you are needed and it will afford me flexibility.”

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