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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imad Wasim "we are Muslim brothers, we shouldn't be fighting. I request fans not to misbehave" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAFG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAFG</a> <a href="https://t.co/jg0dOlgEiF">pic.twitter.com/jg0dOlgEiF</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145103648269262848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Well said Imad...its just a game. It was absolutely disgusting.
The Pakistani fans could easily have retaliated. I don't fight but these guys made me feel sick.
Bloody thugs.

I don't want to generalize but their whole outlook, they have been fighting for centuries so it doesn't surprise me one bit. Once a thug, always a thug.
 
I see his tweet has been met with a lot of Indian trolls who have took exception to the message. I didn't like it yesterday when some fans were blaming Indian interference for stoking up Afghan hatred, but they don't help themselves by chiming in where it's none of their business.
 
No need to mention Muslim brotherhood. Shouldn’t be fighting at all!
 
No need to mention Muslim brotherhood. Shouldn’t be fighting at all!

Disagree, I feel that these nations are still stuck in a previous century, as such are prone to a lot of bigoted ideas. We need to appeal to the common denominator.
 
as an eye witness, it was majority of the afghan goons..trying to pick up fights .. most of the times pakistani fans only replied back.. it was a shameful afghani behaviour
 
It is like saying "we should be fighting non Muslims!". Should say that Sport should unite not divide people.
 
Exactly. I know he makes sense but it wasn’t a politically correct statement.

Except he didn't say that fighting with Hindus and Christians was fair game, the poster who implied that is twisting his statement into something hateful which it wasn't intended to be. Says more about his own mentality than Imad's.
 
Obviously not the target market but to anyone who doesn't subscribe to the 'aki aki' 'bhai bhai' stuff these comments while well intentioned are just silly...

A bit like the guy who in his apology to Sarfraz decided to mention Sarfraz being a Hafiz of Quran as if that somehow meant he thus shouldn't have received abuse...why not apologise for abuse cos it's abuse and why not criticise the Afghan fans not in the spirit of brotherhood but simply that it was bad behaviour irregardless of what faith the perpetrators subscribe to...
 
Except he didn't say that fighting with Hindus and Christians was fair game, the poster who implied that is twisting his statement into something hateful which it wasn't intended to be. Says more about his own mentality than Imad's.

Yeh but it's a weak angle tbf...albeit well intentioned...
 
Yeh but it's a weak angle tbf...albeit well intentioned...

I don't agree. I already mentioned that the populations of those countries are probably a century or so behind the modern world when it comes to concepts like racism, so in that context appealing to religious ties probably makes more sense. You won't agree because you are an ex-Muslim, I can appreciate that, but Imad is speaking to a people who won't have had your access to alternative thought processes. Hence for me his message is far more likely to find some resonance.
 
I don't agree. I already mentioned that the populations of those countries are probably a century or so behind the modern world when it comes to concepts like racism, so in that context appealing to religious ties probably makes more sense. You won't agree because you are an ex-Muslim, I can appreciate that, but Imad is speaking to a people who won't have had your access to alternative thought processes. Hence for me his message is far more likely to find some resonance.

That's a fair comment...
 
Is it ok to fight against Indian/Christians?

Of course not. Muslims are not supposed to attack anyone (whether Muslim or non-Muslim) unjustly. Check the verse below:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly" (Quran 60:8).
 
Pathetic statement from Imad. Why include Muslim brotherhood in the statement.

People backing imad’s statement are looking desperate here.
 
If God so willed, God would have made you a single People, but God's plan is to test each of you separately, in what God has given to each of you: so strive in all virtues as in you are in a race. The goal of all of you is God. It is God that will show you the truth of the matters in which you dispute. (Quran 5:48)
 
Of course not. Muslims are not supposed to attack anyone (whether Muslim or non-Muslim) unjustly. Check the verse below:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly" (Quran 60:8).

I can post verses too. But that would derail the thread.
 
Pathetic statement from Imad. Why include Muslim brotherhood in the statement.

People backing imad’s statement are looking desperate here.

Well I backed it. If you think any of my reasoning was desperate please explain why.
 
Muhammad SAW said , to the believers to cling on to the rope of God and to stay United. Not disintegrated. All Muslims are like one family, like neatly stacked bricks, if one is taken away, the whole wall collapses.

I'm a Sri Lankan and I see my Ind, Pak, Afghan , African fellow Muslims as my own family.

But that doesn't prevent me from being kind, patient and caring towards non Muslims.

It's just that the concept of Islam is community based, it's called "khaira ummah", the best of people, so we need to be a prototype community (charitable , peaceful, teetotalers etc ) that others could draw examples from.

He's basing his speech on this vein. It's like saying, "please unite, at least for the sake of God."
 
Pathetic statement from Imad. Why include Muslim brotherhood in the statement.

People backing imad’s statement are looking desperate here.

Don't think it's about backing the statement in and of itself...we gotta think about who it's aimed at...

It's not a great angle...if someone posted about Pashtun unity it's appealing to the lowest common denominator but many ppl form that target market...
 
Doesn't matter what religion you are. Shouldn't be fighting at all.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Correction. It was not only Pakistan fans who went onto the outfield at the end of the match. This picture confirms it <a href="https://t.co/OqxqGzWdSk">pic.twitter.com/OqxqGzWdSk</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145277987874643970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Theres nothing wrong with his statement Religion plays a big part in their part of the world and is use to govern day to day life and hes reaching out to this sentiment to keep the peace

Hes got nothing to apologise for People will find negativity in anything when theyve got agenda to push
 
Pathetic statement from Imad. Why include Muslim brotherhood in the statement.

People backing imad’s statement are looking desperate here.

Well then i’ll Keep my comments to myself as I don’t want to look desperate in your eyes..
 
Pathetic statement from Imad. Why include Muslim brotherhood in the statement.

People backing imad’s statement are looking desperate here.

At the end of the day he meant well and used religion as a common denominator to unite not divide. Unfortunate you cannot see that.
 
What he probably means if the Afghanistan fans didn’t attack the Australian fans, the new Zealand fans or anyone else
They’re not exactly renowned hard men protecting their end of the stadium


It’s not exactly like Afghanistan are dara shikora
And Pakistan are Aurangzeb
 
Pakistan and Afghanistan have fraternal ties. They are bound by culture, tradition, geography and religion. THe Afghans have been recipient of Pakistani hospitality during their years of turmoil , conflict and grief. Their cricket has also flourished due to exposure in Pakistan. These ties should bring them together and not fracture them. The behavior of these hooligans was reprehensible and they should be treated severely . The security measures also appeared sadly lacking! Such acts not only reflect poorly on the instigators and perpetrators but also on the organizers and the sport itself.
 
wow so someone said something positive and people are barking at him. it was afghani and pakistani people fighting, most likely muslims so he tried to say something directly to those groups to make a connection between them. religion should have held them from saying such things, and just because he said x doesn't mean he means 1-x.
 
Pakistan and Afghanistan have fraternal ties. They are bound by culture, tradition, geography and religion. THe Afghans have been recipient of Pakistani hospitality during their years of turmoil , conflict and grief. Their cricket has also flourished due to exposure in Pakistan. These ties should bring them together and not fracture them. The behavior of these hooligans was reprehensible and they should be treated severely . The security measures also appeared sadly lacking! Such acts not only reflect poorly on the instigators and perpetrators but also on the organizers and the sport itself.

This would have been a better angle... Culture, tradition, religion, geography...

And while it's worth reminding them of what links the two nations in those senses it would have been worth pointing out the cricketing sense too...pakistan has done a lot to help Afghanistan in a cricketing sense...
 
Well that is true. But if you are speaking to a Chinese person then the best language to converse is probably going to be Mandarin not Urdu.
Has this advice ever worked in Pakistan or among British-Muslims? Like did they ever break up fight saying “Please don’t fight as we’re all Muslims”?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imad Wasim "we are Muslim brothers, we shouldn't be fighting. I request fans not to misbehave" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAFG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAFG</a> <a href="https://t.co/jg0dOlgEiF">pic.twitter.com/jg0dOlgEiF</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145103648269262848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Why is it that Pakistani cricketers have this propensity to bring Islam into their comments. I remember one Pakistan Cricket captain apologizing to all Muslims around the world for losing a match.

C'mon people. If fans are fighting, such a behavior is bad. Period. No need to bring 'we are MUSLIM brothers, so we shouldnt fight among ourselves' into this. As though Pakistan fans or Afghan fans fighting with non muslim spectators is somehow more acceptable.
 
Why is it that Pakistani cricketers have this propensity to bring Islam into their comments. I remember one Pakistan Cricket captain apologizing to all Muslims around the world for losing a match.

C'mon people. If fans are fighting, such a behavior is bad. Period. No need to bring 'we are MUSLIM brothers, so we shouldnt fight among ourselves' into this. As though Pakistan fans or Afghan fans fighting with non muslim spectators is somehow more acceptable.
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This .
 
What ia all this rubbish by the indians on this forum? I wanted to bring to light how close Muslims should be, has nothing to do with non Muslims. If you are so insecure, go watch Bahubale
 
So does that mean that Pakistan will now support Bangladesh against India, bcoz by Imad’s logic they both are Muslim countries?

Like PCB advises India to keep politics away from sports, they should themselves keep religion away from sports too. What the Afghan fans did yesterday was never about religion but about hooliganism & should be condoned for what it is.
 
Stupid statement at the wrong time. Imad should've expressed concern for the Pakistani supporters who came to support their team.
 
wow so someone said something positive and people are barking at him. it was afghani and pakistani people fighting, most likely muslims so he tried to say something directly to those groups to make a connection between them. religion should have held them from saying such things, and just because he said x doesn't mean he means 1-x.

Exactly. Too much political correctness these days to the point where people are almost scared to say anything at all.

He said we are Muslims brothers and we shouldn’t fight. Nothing wrong there.

He didn’t say it’s ok to fight non-Muslims and no he is more than free to propagate Islam if he wants. This is the beauty of our deen we are supposed to take it with us wherever we go, we don’t leave it when we enter the cricket field or in a press conference.
 
I am surprised to see questions like "where did he say that it is ok to fight non Muslims" .

Don't be so naive. That comment from Imad is aimed at polarizing.
 
People who live in a convoluted world often believe there is only one possible derivation of Imad's sentence:

We shouldn't fight Muslims but it's ok to fight Non-Muslims

They conveniently forget that there is another possibility:

We shouldn't fight both Muslims and Non-Muslims

A Muslim who doesn't condones fighting other Muslims does not automatically become an advocate of fighting Non-Muslims.
 
I was waiting for the "oh so v can hit hinduz??" dumb comments. Well said Imad. No need to be apologetic about us being muslim brothers.

I also urge all Pakistanis on here not to have a negative outlook of Afghanis because of some goons. I have met a lot of Afghanis, and as a pashtun it boils my blood how some of them have took advantage of peshawer but even so, I will not ever generalize.
 
I am surprised to see questions like "where did he say that it is ok to fight non Muslims" .

Don't be so naive. That comment from Imad is aimed at polarizing.

Go post your SJW politically correct complaints on twitter.
 
I am surprised to see questions like "where did he say that it is ok to fight non Muslims" .

Don't be so naive. That comment from Imad is aimed at polarizing.

The joke's on you though. Imad won't benefit from polarizing the audience.
 
I think a lot of posters are just twisting Imad’s words. He didn’t even remotely implied that it’s okay to fight with non Muslims. He simply appealed to the common denominator between the two countries.

The outrage brigade will find offense in basically anything.
 
Except he didn't say that fighting with Hindus and Christians was fair game, the poster who implied that is twisting his statement into something hateful which it wasn't intended to be. Says more about his own mentality than Imad's.

But the implication is there. Why bring religion into teh sport at all. You play for your country and thats what matters.

Pretty immature from a guy who should have been back in the pavillion much sooner
 
Exactly. Too much political correctness these days to the point where people are almost scared to say anything at all.

He said we are Muslims brothers and we shouldn’t fight. Nothing wrong there.

He didn’t say it’s ok to fight non-Muslims and no he is more than free to propagate Islam if he wants. This is the beauty of our deen we are supposed to take it with us wherever we go, we don’t leave it when we enter the cricket field or in a press conference.

I am sorry. If any players feels it necessary for him to propagate his religion, a press conference of cricket match is not the place to do so. You can imagine the chaos this world will be if sports commentators start using their air time to propagate their religion.

Where would this lead us to, if players and commentators of Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish etc etc faiths start using their air time as commentators or players in conferences to 'propagate their religion' just because they believe it is their duty/deen to do so.

Players are free to use their personal time away from the cricket field to go propagate which ever religion they want to.

Reminds me of a Pakistan player caught on camera on the field attempting to get the player of a rival international team to convert to Islam, promising him that his afterlife would be spent in heaven by the mere act of accepting Islam.

If I remember correctly, that Pakistan player is no longer in the Pakistan team. If that is indeed the case, now would be a good time for that player to consider becoming a religious preacher and go preaching religion from village to village and city to city. I hope he is already doing that day and night.
 
But the implication is there. Why bring religion into teh sport at all. You play for your country and thats what matters.

Pretty immature from a guy who should have been back in the pavillion much sooner

Because religion is the one commonality between the two countries. You might think it doesn't matter, but as both countries are at least somewhat religious it would be considered as somewhat shameful behaviour from a religious angle to be getting drunk and fighting with other Muslims at a cricket match.

There is no implication at all about fighting non-Muslims, this was a match between two Muslim nations. I don't know why you guys are dragging yourselves into this thread, were you directly involved yesterday?
 
But the implication is there. Why bring religion into teh sport at all. You play for your country and thats what matters.

Pretty immature from a guy who should have been back in the pavillion much sooner

What he should said is we’re both brothers of American colonisation and American drones on south Asian soil and we should form an alliance against returning to this former position and work together to keep our kindred spirits in brotherhood and history of love and togetherness
 
But the implication is there. Why bring religion into teh sport at all. You play for your country and thats what matters.

Pretty immature from a guy who should have been back in the pavillion much sooner

The thing is, he wasn't talking about the sport at that particular instance.
 
Well spoken, Imad. Afghanistan should have nothing against Pakistan as far as cricket is concerned. As far as I know, the PCB has never tried to block their progress in the cricketing world and Afghanistan play their cricket like a mini-Pakistan.

Does it mean that fighting with Hindus and Christians is a fair game ?

No, it simply means that Hindus and Christians are generally not considered family.
 
Because religion is the one commonality between the two countries. You might think it doesn't matter, but as both countries are at least somewhat religious it would be considered as somewhat shameful behaviour from a religious angle to be getting drunk and fighting with other Muslims at a cricket match.

There is no implication at all about fighting non-Muslims, this was a match between two Muslim nations. I don't know why you guys are dragging yourselves into this thread, were you directly involved yesterday?

Two countries & muslim nations!!!! you must have crawled out of a cave to make such a naive statement and further extending the immature statement made by Imad. Since when are matches being designated between muslim & non-muslim nations. By your assertion, every muslim playing for a non-muslim country should be playing for his religion which makes the likes of Moin, Md Shami, Imran Tahir etc on the wrong team.
Also if you consider matches between muslim nations that why not have a muslim world cup alone and then have the winner play with non-muslims

BTW shameful behavior is not a prerogative of a religion, a nation or a specific social strata. Human beings act shamefully across the board and religious affinity has nothing to do with it, muslims or non-muslims.

You need to get the religion myopia off and look at teh games for what they are
 
Two countries & muslim nations!!!! you must have crawled out of a cave to make such a naive statement and further extending the immature statement made by Imad. Since when are matches being designated between muslim & non-muslim nations. By your assertion, every muslim playing for a non-muslim country should be playing for his religion which makes the likes of Moin, Md Shami, Imran Tahir etc on the wrong team.
Also if you consider matches between muslim nations that why not have a muslim world cup alone and then have the winner play with non-muslims

BTW shameful behavior is not a prerogative of a religion, a nation or a specific social strata. Human beings act shamefully across the board and religious affinity has nothing to do with it, muslims or non-muslims.

You need to get the religion myopia off and look at teh games for what they are

Wow you really managed to read a lot into a sentence which was barely a handful of words. I don't really know how to answer any of that as I didn't say any of those things you are asserting, and frankly neither did Imad. I'll put his quote in again just so you can have a look at what was actually said:

"we are Muslim brothers, we shouldn't be fighting. I request fans not to misbehave"

By the way, that is his opinion, he is not issuing some fatwa which is binding on Afghan cricket team or their supporters. Take it easy.
 
He isn't implying that we should fight nonmuslims lmaoo, people are too sensitive. All he's saying is that muslims are brothers in faith and therefore they should not fight. It's like your parents telling you and your brother to not fight each other since you're brothers, they aren't telling you to go out and fight strangers. I swear some of y'all just want to be offended for no reason.
 
Wow you really managed to read a lot into a sentence which was barely a handful of words. I don't really know how to answer any of that as I didn't say any of those things you are asserting, and frankly neither did Imad. I'll put his quote in again just so you can have a look at what was actually said:

"we are Muslim brothers, we shouldn't be fighting. I request fans not to misbehave"

By the way, that is his opinion, he is not issuing some fatwa which is binding on Afghan cricket team or their supporters. Take it easy.

I read what I heard and if I can read it this way imaging how millions of others would see it. It may not be a fatwa but was surely irresponsible to bring religion into the game. Thanking God etc is fine but when you are making such irresponsible and immature statements in an official capacity, on a stage, then it matters.
never heard any Pakistan player making such statements when the BD fans were all over teh Pakistan fans and now Afghanistan comes into a picture and its suddenly religious brotherhood.

This was downright boorish. I would rather have Imad do a dance on the border like Hasan Ali
 
He isn't implying that we should fight nonmuslims lmaoo, people are too sensitive. All he's saying is that muslims are brothers in faith and therefore they should not fight. It's like your parents telling you and your brother to not fight each other since you're brothers, they aren't telling you to go out and fight strangers. I swear some of y'all just want to be offended for no reason.

You can LMAOO all you want but by saying what he did and where he did, Imad did show his immaturity and insensitivity. You don;t speak for him and so have no idea what he did or didnt imply. Every religion is a religion of faith and muslims are no exception. He could have just stated that "fans do not need to fight, respect each other as its just a game" without bringing religion into it and there woudl have been nop controversy. On a global platform, as a somebody, anything and everything you say matters.
 
So if you are not Muslim Brothers, fighting is ok?? 🧐🧐
 
You can LMAOO all you want but by saying what he did and where he did, Imad did show his immaturity and insensitivity. You don;t speak for him and so have no idea what he did or didnt imply. Every religion is a religion of faith and muslims are no exception. He could have just stated that "fans do not need to fight, respect each other as its just a game" without bringing religion into it and there woudl have been nop controversy. On a global platform, as a somebody, anything and everything you say matters.

100% agree with this.

PCB needs to do a better job in training players in media management, and in keeping out of such needless controversies, and to remain focussed on the game. Some suggested tips/advice that PCB should give to players:

1. If you are a captain and are asked about the defeat after a match, refrain from making statements like 'I apologize to all muslims around the world for this loss'. If you cant think of anything non controversial, or cannot resist the urge to invoke religion into your response, pick from one of the standard responses: 1. The better team won. 2. We will learn from our mistakes and be back in the next game/tournament. 3. The game of cricket is the winner 4. The boys fought hard but in the end that was not enough 5. Win or loss is part of the game and today was just not our day 6. I am glad we played real hard, but the opposite team played really good cricket.

2. Tell players, especially the newer national players, to leave lowering the flag ceremony at Wagah to the 'professional soldiers'. Just as the 'professional soldiers' and the rest of the country leaves the cricket battles to 'professional cricketers'. After one good performance when you have the urge to travel to wagah and insert yourself into the military ceremony of lowering of the flag, do not make a clown out of yourself and your team, by jumping up and down there mocking at the soldiers from the other side. Military ceremonies between nations are at least as solemn an occasion as a cricket match, if not more. Accord them their due respect.

3. You are in the national team because you are a cricketer not because you are a heart surgeon. Refrain from comparing the sizes of human hearts based on the religion of the person. You are not qualified enough to make public pronouncements that Hindus have smaller hearts than Muslims, and so their behavior cannot be as virtuous as Muslims.

4. Your primary responsibility when donning the national colors and playing international matches is to play the best cricket for your team, not to ensure that foreign players of non muslim faith also get to reach heaven in the afterlife. Do not get caught by the camera/hot mike requesting a player from another team to 'please embrace islam because once you become muslim all your sins are forgiven and you will be in heaven in the afterlife just by becoming a muslim'. Leave religious conversion to the Muslim scholars/preachers, just as they leave playing cricket to you. Focus on cricket.

It may be a good idea to learn from the former Pakistani greats like Imran Khan, Asif Iqbal, Zaheer Abbas, and others. Were these players any less pious muslims or less accomplished cricketers just because they didn't indulge in such words or actions?
 
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