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[VIDEO] When Mickey Arthur lost it at Karachi Kings yesterday

LOOL at how angry he was at Gayle. Gayle deserves this. He's been paid big money for this.
 
Doesnt seem to be making any difference either with the Pak team or KK.

Neither did it with failed stints earlier
 
LOOL at how angry he was at Gayle. Gayle deserves this. He's been paid big money for this.

He didn't say anything to Gayle. He was actually talking to Amir. He knows that saying anything to the giant hack right now is useless. The guy isn't gonna perform no matter what. Should get rid of him after this season
 
He's pushed them from #1 to #6

Let's be real here, issues that lead to that well and truly preceded MA's arrival

That doesn't mean he is blameless, I didn't like who he bottled it and let shafiq go back to 6 (who also bottled it), but we have to be fair .


In Odis though I like what I see, genuinely think he is taking the team to a stage where we are at least trying to keep up with the modern game.

He has to manage a transition, we should let him do it
 
Let's be real here, issues that lead to that well and truly preceded MA's arrival

That doesn't mean he is blameless, I didn't like who he bottled it and let shafiq go back to 6 (who also bottled it), but we have to be fair .


In Odis though I like what I see, genuinely think he is taking the team to a stage where we are at least trying to keep up with the modern game.

He has to manage a transition, we should let him do it

He needs to be ruthless especially in telling players what he wants them to do and where he wants them to play. He comes across as soft sometimes.
 
Gayle and Pollard just lost the match completely... they are paid big money , dropping them is like free lunch for them...I hope these two will go unsold next season, but with pak anything can happen lol....
 
We need waqar back so that Azhar ali can continue as captain and open for us with asad Shafiq

well if we can win with that im ok

the problem is waqar had an obv poor plan in one days eventhough his legacy is topping the WC group and reaching the SF.

Our poor odi game has continued under mickey but in tests we haave regressed significantly

so overall downgrade
 
well if we can win with that im ok

the problem is waqar had an obv poor plan in one days eventhough his legacy is topping the WC group and reaching the SF.

Our poor odi game has continued under mickey but in tests we haave regressed significantly

so overall downgrade


No one apart from you cares that Waqar was our coach in the 2011 world cup.

He didn't leave a legacy. Anyday as a bowler I'll defend Waqar as a bowler and cricketer but as coach he was a joke.
 
Fail coach.....

Really

Has done nothing with team pakistan or karachi.

Dean jones should be given coaching role of pakistan
 
"Each of you are getting 20 more Homework assignments tonight!"
 
We need waqar back so that Azhar ali can continue as captain and open for us with asad Shafiq

Exactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime.

Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.

The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an opener :)) It wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.

Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.

Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?
 
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Exactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime.

Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.

The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an opener :)) It wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.

Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.

Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?


Even in the psl , no one has offered Pakistan's Guardiola a coaching role.
 
Exactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime.

Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.

The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an opener :)) It wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.

Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.

Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?
Look at the way his team is dead last in the table

and lol at Mixed results. He has been an epic failure.
 
Also its hilarious apologists have to bring in Waqar everytime to defend Mickey Arthur. Clear signs the failed coach hasnt any achievements of his own to point to
 
Also its hilarious apologists have to bring in Waqar everytime to defend Mickey Arthur. Clear signs the failed coach hasnt any achievements of his own to point to

What can a coach do when the players themselves are horrible. No need to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey. He has coached two other teams to the top of the world.
 
The Pep Guardiola of Pakistan is not good enough to get a coaching gig in the PSL.
 
Look at the way his team is dead last in the table

and lol at Mixed results. He has been an epic failure.

Coaches don't greatly influence results in T20 franchise leagues. Its not comparable to the national team where you get to work with the players all year around.

As for epic failure, remind me who was coach when we were #9 in the ODI rankings ? Who was coach during the ODI and T20 whitewash vs Bangladesh ? Arthur will be touring Bangladesh this summer, I bet you he won't fail as hard as his predecessor.
 
The whole coaching thing is overrated. Too much is made of this coach and that coach, whereas in reality intelligent players can work out most thing for themselves. The only thing that a coach could a make an impact on is fielding and that takes years to be effective and it also requires players to want to improve.
 
What can a coach do when the players themselves are horrible. No need to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey. He has coached two other teams to the top of the world.

Arthur's stint with Australia wasn't very successful but at least he's actually coached two other top international teams and has a CV of some worth.

Whereas Waqar was rejected even for the position of bowling coach by Australia.
 
Fail coach.....

Really

Has done nothing with team pakistan or karachi.

Dean jones should be given coaching role of pakistan

He won't be able to handle the pressure

For once take your misbah tinted googles off and look at this factually. Dean has passion but little else to qualify for a head coach job
 
Arthur's stint with Australia wasn't very successful but at least he's actually coached two other top international teams and has a CV of some worth.

Whereas Waqar was rejected even for the position of bowling coach by Australia.

Haha

So your response to a post saying dont need to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey, is for you to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey :))

Cant make this up
 
He won't be able to handle the pressure

For once take your misbah tinted googles off and look at this factually. Dean has passion but little else to qualify for a head coach job
What i have see from dean jones at islamabad has really impressed me.
 
What i have see from dean jones at islamabad has really impressed me.

What have you seen? that's misbah' team, he deserves credit more even wasim has hinted this. I reckon dean in reality is more batting coach and motivator. That is all fine and good and if he was to do that with Pakistan great. However he does not have the personality to deal with the pressure of the head coach job. We should give Micky till the 2019 wc. So far he has done well when you look at long term planning
 
Haha

So your response to a post saying dont need to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey, is for you to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey :))

Cant make this up

I should have bolded the part I was referring to. You were lolling at his point about Arthur coaching two international teams to the top.

My point is you've nothing to be lolling about as the man you view as the Pep Guardiola of cricket hasn't even been considered good enough to coach even Australia's bowlers let alone another international team !

Look, all I'm saying is Arthur deserves some leeway as he inherited a mess with the LOI teams and an ageing Test team. He's having to oversee a transition to youngsters whilst having three of the toughest tours in international cricket in his first year !

Unlike Waqar, he's an internationally experienced and proven coach who has a record of improving players. He didn't run to the commentary box the moment things got tough. Let's give him time.

If Waqar got 3.5 years with this team, why can't Arthur ?
 
LOL this lead to 3 wickets in the next over.

This is what I was thinking. We need more angry Mickey to get the boys fired up. :))

I've done some coaching myself (Although that was American football, not cricket) and trust me, I've been far angrier than that at my players so I have to give kudos to Mickey for managing to remain so calm given the ineptitude of the Karachi team.
 
How can anyone defend Waqar's tactical acumen after witnessing his captaincy in the early 2000s is well and truly beyond me. One of the biggest tactical disasters the game has ever seen.
 
Micky Arthur doesn't respect Pakistan cricket. He would probably rather blame lack of talent than take responsibility for results. We need a coach who believes more in Pakistan cricket. Period. I don't know anything about Dean Jones' coaching skills, but he would surely be better than MA. Ideally I want a qualified coach who understands Pakistan cricket, is tactically strong and POSITIVE.
 
I don't quiet get the hate for Mickey. He was handed a mediocre team and I personally think his personality suits the team well. As long as the players respect him and carry on trying to improve themselves physically and mentally they should be fine. We don't really have many options for a coach. I would wait for a solid year before even talking about what kind of a coach he has been.
 
Mickey's hairdryer treatment seems to have done the trick.
 
Mickey changed the mindset of his team with that screaming. They have since played a lot better. Karachi's story seems similar to Islamabad's last year.
 
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his one lashing out has done the trick.. I wont mind him lashing out on pak team players in future as well.
 
Mickey is making all the right decisions in LOs where he has more say. Once Misbah retires from tests, we will definitely see some positive changes in the test team.

And Waqar was easily the worst full-time coach in the last 2 decades.
 
Quite possibly a tournament changing moment for them.

Certainly woke a few of the players up.
 
Interesting how Waqars biggest fan Slog hasn't commented on any threads praising Arthur since Karachis form improved.

This rollicking may have been the turning point for KK.
 
Fail coach.....

Really

Has done nothing with team pakistan or karachi.

Dean jones should be given coaching role of pakistan

Misbah should be our next coach to teach us how to play Test innings in T20.
 
My apologies. I must have missed the post so replying now

Exactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime

Mickey is beating him in that respect big time. And not just in ODIs. He has made us a laughing stock in Tests.


Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.

Such a rambling paragraph. Seems like you're forcing a viewpoint.

Whats the point of grooming young talent when youre getting your behind whooped everytime? Shinwari is bang mediocre who will be physically abused in international cricket.

Funny you're giving the credit for Babar doing well to Arthur. Babar has been in the system since 2010 or sth. He was always going to be phased in gradually. He got his chances in ODIs and was given chances to get used to internationals. Post 2015WC we had only ONE home/neutral series in Waqar's tenure and Babar clearly wasnt ready then to make a bow in Test cricket. If it had been 2 series in UAE we may have very well seen him. It seems like a zabardasti ka point on you part to say that somehow Waqar stalled Babar's development. An important part of Babar's development had always been to send him on the A tour of England in 2016 summer which he did as captain. And in his feedback to PCB Waqar had been pushing for A tours for over 2 years. So as I said you really dont have a strong point here.

Waqar did come up with some left field choices such as Rafatullah and Bilal Asif, but do remember that they were for T20 matches where he didnt have full control anyway and secondly is a format for experimentation. Both had dream tournaments prior to their call up and to me it wasnt a big issue to see them get a few games in their format. Also the priority was T20 WC so the short termism in that approach didnt matter.

In ODIs and limited overs in general there WAS a clear attempt to incorporate youth and change the playing style.

Players who made their debuts/ became regulars include: Haris, Imad Wasim, Sharjeel to an extent, Sarfaraz, Rizwan, Anwar Ali (flattered to deceive), Babar Azam among others.

It is dishonest on your part to disregard this.




The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an opener :)) It wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.

Thyy still are.

Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.
Its gotten worse. Under Mickey Arthur we have the distinction of conceding the highest total in the history of One Day crcket and we get pastings for fun.



Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?
Thats a frankly stupid argument. Arthur is in Pakistan because he cant get another job elsewhere unless you think BPL gigs are real deal.

Unlike Waqar, he's an internationally experienced and proven coach who has a record of improving players. He didn't run to the commentary box the moment things got tough. Let's give him time.

If Waqar got 3.5 years with this team, why can't Arthur ?
Thats actually a pretty sad remark and shows the mindset.

He didn't 'run' to the commentary box. He was put in an untenable position where the board was working against him and intentionally leaking his reports to the media and ensuring that his relationships with some players were broken beyond repair. He resigned when he was told he would be let go. Infact if he had just waited for the sack, or let his contract run out till June, he would have been paid about $15-30,000 (dont remember exact amount) or so but he let that go. So its just intellectuall dishonest to use that term.

And its funny you say when the moments got tough.

He came into a team which was already a very weak ODI and T20 Team and which hadnt even won a Test series even in the UAE for over TWO YEARS. He got us to number 1 position and even Arthur had to giveh him credit for that. Mind you for 2 years before he'd returned we were saving test series' in UAE against SL courtesy of last day heroics.

Also some more 'going got tough moments':
- Having to work with prima donnas and failures like Akmal and Shehzad when he didnt want them
- Having Ajmal banned for bowling action weeks before a huge series
- Having Hafeez banned for bowling action weeks before a WC from a squad in which he was a key cog.
- Managing Afridi and his gang
- Having a board which actively worked against him, leaking his confidential reports
 
Interesting how Waqars biggest fan Slog hasn't commented on any threads praising Arthur since Karachis form improved.

This rollicking may have been the turning point for KK.

What turning point lol?

Gayle and Pollard performed after a rollicking from Arthur lmao :))
 
The whole team started performing not just those 2.

Tbh, most of our players wouldn't have understood a word of what Arthur said.

Imagine you being coached in Mandarin. Coaching requires you to listen and understand each m every word.
 
Tbh, most of our players wouldn't have understood a word of what Arthur said.

Imagine you being coached in Mandarin. Coaching requires you to listen and understand each m every word.


Babar Azam and Sharjeel seem to have understood him perfectly fine.
 
Babar Azam and Sharjeel seem to have understood him perfectly fine.

SK was doing great before this lecture. Babar was fine too.

I'm also talking in general re. Pak national team. Barring a couple, nobody understands him. Imagine that and let it sink in.
 

1) Under Whatmore we won the 2012 Asia Cup, beat India, West Indies and South Africa away so we still got some good results. Whereas under Waqar defeat became the norm. We got whooped by Bangladesh 4-0 (including the T20), New Zealand home and away, whitewashed by Australia at home and lost 1-3 to England, falling to #9 in the rankings and nearly losing out on Champions Trophy qualification.

As for Tests, the results would've been the same under Waqar. We've historically struggled in Australia and Tests are a lottery on the green mambas NZ produced. Waqar couldn't even beat New Zealand and Australia in ODIs in UAE so forget beating them in Tests ! Also there is a flaw in your argument. You cannot say that Arthur deserves the blame for the ODI beatings in England but then say the Test draw in England was residual from the Waqar era ! We must hold coaches accountable for the results they are responsible for.

2) Goes to show Waqar's incompetence. Guy is coach for 3.5 years over 2 tenures, been involved in Pakistan cricket either as a player or coach since the 1980s but still didn't even know his starting XI before a T20 WC even at that stage of his coaching tenure.

If he didn't have full control then why take the job ? Only Waqar seems to take crappy jobs with little control time and again, then acts surprised when he doesn't have the influence he wants. You do not experiment with your T20 side months before a World Cup ! They were experimenting even during the Asia Cup which was one month before :)) Team management failed to settle on an XI and consequently got our behinds handed to us in group stage.

3) In Waqar's second tenure, we played 40 ODIs and our bowling average was 37.90. In Arthur's tenure we've played 14 ODIs and bowling average is 36.65 so its not getting worse.

In Waqar's second tenure, we played 24 T20Is and the bowling average was 26 at 7.78 RPO. Under Arthur, we've played 4 T20Is and the bowling average is 16.03 at 6.22 RPO.

4) I agree PCB treated him terribly but you are going on a tangent. I'm saying if Waqar is this exceptional coach you speak of then why hasn't ANY side either international or even domestic offered him a coaching job ? If he's committed to improving the domestic system, why not coach one of the teams ? Instead he went back to commentary box.

Arthur is an internationally proven coach who would get work outside of Pakistan whereas Waqar hasn't even coached a single U19 or domestic team, was rejected as Australia's bowling coach, had a failed previous tenure as Pakistan bowling coach yet we made him national head coach. Only in Pakistan.
 
1) Under Whatmore we won the 2012 Asia Cup, beat India, West Indies and South Africa away so we still got some good results. Whereas under Waqar defeat became the norm. We got whooped by Bangladesh 4-0 (including the T20), New Zealand home and away, whitewashed by Australia at home and lost 1-3 to England, falling to #9 in the rankings and nearly losing out on Champions Trophy qualification.

As for Tests, the results would've been the same under Waqar. We've historically struggled in Australia and Tests are a lottery on the green mambas NZ produced. Waqar couldn't even beat New Zealand and Australia in ODIs in UAE so forget beating them in Tests ! Also there is a flaw in your argument. You cannot say that Arthur deserves the blame for the ODI beatings in England but then say the Test draw in England was residual from the Waqar era ! We must hold coaches accountable for the results they are responsible for.

2) Goes to show Waqar's incompetence. Guy is coach for 3.5 years over 2 tenures, been involved in Pakistan cricket either as a player or coach since the 1980s but still didn't even know his starting XI before a T20 WC even at that stage of his coaching tenure.

If he didn't have full control then why take the job ? Only Waqar seems to take crappy jobs with little control time and again, then acts surprised when he doesn't have the influence he wants. You do not experiment with your T20 side months before a World Cup ! They were experimenting even during the Asia Cup which was one month before :)) Team management failed to settle on an XI and consequently got our behinds handed to us in group stage.

3) In Waqar's second tenure, we played 40 ODIs and our bowling average was 37.90. In Arthur's tenure we've played 14 ODIs and bowling average is 36.65 so its not getting worse.

In Waqar's second tenure, we played 24 T20Is and the bowling average was 26 at 7.78 RPO. Under Arthur, we've played 4 T20Is and the bowling average is 16.03 at 6.22 RPO.

4) I agree PCB treated him terribly but you are going on a tangent. I'm saying if Waqar is this exceptional coach you speak of then why hasn't ANY side either international or even domestic offered him a coaching job ? If he's committed to improving the domestic system, why not coach one of the teams ? Instead he went back to commentary box.

Arthur is an internationally proven coach who would get work outside of Pakistan whereas Waqar hasn't even coached a single U19 or domestic team, was rejected as Australia's bowling coach, had a failed previous tenure as Pakistan bowling coach yet we made him national head coach. Only in Pakistan.

Arthur is not an internationally proven coach. He is a failure. He had success with SA in the Test arena whilst at the helm of a very strong side, but that got even better after he left.

the mere fact that he is coaching Pakistan is indicative of his failed coaching career. Do you agree with that the fact that he is coaching Pakistan is due to his plummeting stock?
 
Also Waqar was coach when we won a series in NZ in tests.

Its actually pretty mindless to treat the time period over 2 tenures as continuation of one.
 
Tbh, most of our players wouldn't have understood a word of what Arthur said.

Imagine you being coached in Mandarin. Coaching requires you to listen and understand each m every word.

Don't think so - English & Mandarin are not same even for Rickshaw pullers in south Asia. These are international players, playing for several years in different leagues, clubs, countries & visiting many more places. Also, had this team been too young, I could have taken that some what - but this is the oldest team around; almost every player is paying cricket for over 15 years from junior level.

Technically, cricket is the easiest game to over come language barrier for a south Asian. One reason is that it's not a high tempo game like Soccer or Basketball that the players need to pick instructions instantly during match. It's a slow game, where tactical communication is easier & not instant. Besides, Cricket being an English game, almost every technical words of cricket is universal, easily understood in former British colonies - one doesn't need Urdu version of that.

Language barrier is a lame excuse for PAK players to avoid Pro foreign coaches, who are hard task masters. These are professional players, if language is an issue, it's their responsibility to learn that. English language is part of South Asian vocabulary, culture these days - even an illiterate can learn workable English in 3 months time, if it's required for his profession. Arthur's support staff, excluding Rixon are all Pakistani, which should help the communication. In Club football, players coming from Africa & Latin America without any clue of English, Dutch, German or Italian - still they are integrating into a highly tactical game like soccer in few months time.

Language is absolutely no barrier - I can give a real life example. 2 decades back, almost entire PAK Hockey team used to play in Dutch & German Pro League & these players are not likely to have much clue of the local Language & chances are lower that those German or Dutch coaches had any clue of colloquial Punjabi, Sindhi or Pushtu - still it worked perfectly for an extremely fast & interactive game like hockey. PAK cricketers complain about language only because nobody challenges them with what I have written here. Also, there are people with vested interest who instigates these players regarding language issues, because that opens their only chances to be part of PAK team without any qualification.

Samuel Etto played in 7/8 Leagues - he spent from own pocket for language teachers, eventually he ended up speaking 7/8 languages apart from his mother tongue - including Russian & Turkish. Tell these cricketers that whoever doesn't understand Coach won't be considered for National teams - in 3 months time they'll speak better English than many here in PP. Without cricket skills, many of these players would have been driving Taxi or doing cleaners' job in Middle East ......... and in 3 months time they would have learnt Arabic for a job that pays them in a year what they earn from one match for PAK.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] I agree with you partly.

They might be cable to understand basic terms like bowl straight, line and length, pace, etc.

But when you're devising strategies and are actually coaching a person to optimize his technique or runup or anything, quite complex structures of sentences can be spoken by a foreigner which our players simply cannot comprehend.

I bet there's someone who has to translate stuff for them, like Hafeez or Misbah or Afridi. And it just isn't the same when it comes from a coach.
 
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