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LOOL at how angry he was at Gayle. Gayle deserves this. He's been paid big money for this.
Pakistani team need people like MA who push 'em![]()
He's pushed them from #1 to #6
Pakistani team need people like MA who push 'em![]()
He's pushed them from #1 to #6
Let's be real here, issues that lead to that well and truly preceded MA's arrival
That doesn't mean he is blameless, I didn't like who he bottled it and let shafiq go back to 6 (who also bottled it), but we have to be fair .
In Odis though I like what I see, genuinely think he is taking the team to a stage where we are at least trying to keep up with the modern game.
He has to manage a transition, we should let him do it
Doesnt seem to be making any difference either with the Pak team or KK.
Neither did it with failed stints earlier
We need waqar back so that Azhar ali can continue as captain and open for us with asad Shafiq
well if we can win with that im ok
the problem is waqar had an obv poor plan in one days eventhough his legacy is topping the WC group and reaching the SF.
Our poor odi game has continued under mickey but in tests we haave regressed significantly
so overall downgrade
We need waqar back so that Azhar ali can continue as captain and open for us with asad Shafiq
Exactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime.
Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.
The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an openerIt wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.
Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.
Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?
Look at the way his team is dead last in the tableExactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime.
Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.
The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an openerIt wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.
Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.
Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?
Also its hilarious apologists have to bring in Waqar everytime to defend Mickey Arthur. Clear signs the failed coach hasnt any achievements of his own to point to
Look at the way his team is dead last in the table
and lol at Mixed results. He has been an epic failure.
What can a coach do when the players themselves are horrible. No need to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey. He has coached two other teams to the top of the world.
Fail coach.....
Really
Has done nothing with team pakistan or karachi.
Dean jones should be given coaching role of pakistan
Arthur's stint with Australia wasn't very successful but at least he's actually coached two other top international teams and has a CV of some worth.
Whereas Waqar was rejected even for the position of bowling coach by Australia.
What i have see from dean jones at islamabad has really impressed me.He won't be able to handle the pressure
For once take your misbah tinted googles off and look at this factually. Dean has passion but little else to qualify for a head coach job
What i have see from dean jones at islamabad has really impressed me.
Haha
So your response to a post saying dont need to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey, is for you to bring in Waqar to defend Mickey
Cant make this up
LOL this lead to 3 wickets in the next over.
Fail coach.....
Really
Has done nothing with team pakistan or karachi.
Dean jones should be given coaching role of pakistan
Exactly, Waqar the Revolutionary's legacy is leaving his team #9 in the ODI rankings, tactical ineptitude and enough selection blunders to last a lifetime
Despite the mixed results, Arthur deserves credit for trying to groom young talent. Look at the way he's given Usama Mir and Usman Shenwari a consistent run in this PSL. Babar Azam has excelled under Arthur's tenure and has been backed at #3. Sharjeel also was improving with every series under Arthur before the fixing scandal. Whereas Waqar talked a good game about blooding young talent but he gave 39 year old Rifatullah Mohmand a T20 debut and recycled TTFs like Mohammad Sami, Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti.
The only consistency in selection under Waqar was inconsistency. He gave Amir Yamin three ODIs in which Yamin performed well yet was still dropped and who can forget making Bilal Asif an openerIt wasn't long before that experiment failed. Pakistan caps were being handed out like toffee.
Its gotten worse. Under Mickey Arthur we have the distinction of conceding the highest total in the history of One Day crcket and we get pastings for fun.Waqar's strength was also meant to be bowling. Yet in his second failed tenure as coach, Pakistan's ODI bowling was the SECOND WORST in the world and that's including Associates ! Second only to the mighty UAE in terms of bowling average.
Thats a frankly stupid argument. Arthur is in Pakistan because he cant get another job elsewhere unless you think BPL gigs are real deal.Finally if Waqar was the Pep Guardiola of cricket that people are claiming him to be - why hasn't another team offered him a job as head coach ?
Thats actually a pretty sad remark and shows the mindset.Unlike Waqar, he's an internationally experienced and proven coach who has a record of improving players. He didn't run to the commentary box the moment things got tough. Let's give him time.
If Waqar got 3.5 years with this team, why can't Arthur ?
Interesting how Waqars biggest fan Slog hasn't commented on any threads praising Arthur since Karachis form improved.
This rollicking may have been the turning point for KK.
What turning point lol?
Gayle and Pollard performed after a rollicking from Arthur lmao![]()
The whole team started performing not just those 2.
Tbh, most of our players wouldn't have understood a word of what Arthur said.
Imagine you being coached in Mandarin. Coaching requires you to listen and understand each m every word.
Babar Azam and Sharjeel seem to have understood him perfectly fine.
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1) Under Whatmore we won the 2012 Asia Cup, beat India, West Indies and South Africa away so we still got some good results. Whereas under Waqar defeat became the norm. We got whooped by Bangladesh 4-0 (including the T20), New Zealand home and away, whitewashed by Australia at home and lost 1-3 to England, falling to #9 in the rankings and nearly losing out on Champions Trophy qualification.
As for Tests, the results would've been the same under Waqar. We've historically struggled in Australia and Tests are a lottery on the green mambas NZ produced. Waqar couldn't even beat New Zealand and Australia in ODIs in UAE so forget beating them in Tests ! Also there is a flaw in your argument. You cannot say that Arthur deserves the blame for the ODI beatings in England but then say the Test draw in England was residual from the Waqar era ! We must hold coaches accountable for the results they are responsible for.
2) Goes to show Waqar's incompetence. Guy is coach for 3.5 years over 2 tenures, been involved in Pakistan cricket either as a player or coach since the 1980s but still didn't even know his starting XI before a T20 WC even at that stage of his coaching tenure.
If he didn't have full control then why take the job ? Only Waqar seems to take crappy jobs with little control time and again, then acts surprised when he doesn't have the influence he wants. You do not experiment with your T20 side months before a World Cup ! They were experimenting even during the Asia Cup which was one month beforeTeam management failed to settle on an XI and consequently got our behinds handed to us in group stage.
3) In Waqar's second tenure, we played 40 ODIs and our bowling average was 37.90. In Arthur's tenure we've played 14 ODIs and bowling average is 36.65 so its not getting worse.
In Waqar's second tenure, we played 24 T20Is and the bowling average was 26 at 7.78 RPO. Under Arthur, we've played 4 T20Is and the bowling average is 16.03 at 6.22 RPO.
4) I agree PCB treated him terribly but you are going on a tangent. I'm saying if Waqar is this exceptional coach you speak of then why hasn't ANY side either international or even domestic offered him a coaching job ? If he's committed to improving the domestic system, why not coach one of the teams ? Instead he went back to commentary box.
Arthur is an internationally proven coach who would get work outside of Pakistan whereas Waqar hasn't even coached a single U19 or domestic team, was rejected as Australia's bowling coach, had a failed previous tenure as Pakistan bowling coach yet we made him national head coach. Only in Pakistan.
Tbh, most of our players wouldn't have understood a word of what Arthur said.
Imagine you being coached in Mandarin. Coaching requires you to listen and understand each m every word.