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[VIDEOS] Ashes Controversy: Snicko technology comes under fire, is the system flawed?

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Australia were 245-6 when Alex Carey tried to cut Josh Tongue. England appealed, convinced they’d heard an edge, but umpire Ahsan Raza said not out. Ben Stokes reviewed, and while the footage showed a spike, TV umpire Chris Gaffaney ruled it came before the ball reached the bat — leaving Carey safe.

The decision has sparked debate, with commentators like Jonathan Agnew questioning the reliability of Snicko technology, saying “the software isn’t working right” and Carey should have been given out.

Was this a fair call, or did England get robbed by faulty tech?

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Yet another case of faulty snickometer technology :kp
 
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Still better than giving complete freedom to cheat.

In this instance, the back of the bat MAY HAVE hit the ball. The back is raised, and ball may have snicked it on its way.
 
Still better than giving complete freedom to cheat.

In this instance, the back of the bat MAY HAVE hit the ball. The back is raised, and ball may have snicked it on its way.
Ultra Edge is the superior to snicko. Ultra edge is far more refined and polished as a final product.

By the way, why aren't the boards using Hot Spot technology alongside Snicko/Ultra Edge for better decision? Maybe due to High cost?

:kp
 
Ultra Edge is the superior to snicko. Ultra edge is far more refined and polished as a final product.

By the way, why aren't the boards using Hot Spot technology alongside Snicko/Ultra Edge for better decision? Maybe due to High cost?

:kp
The Gemini's breakdown:
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If he wanted to be honest he should have walked at the time.

Now his honesty after the fact will ensure BBG sports goes under.

England are considering an official complaint https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...or-costs-carey-wicket-ashes-cricket-australia
This is preposterous! How hard is it to have a checklist for the operator to mandatorily follow, one point of which says “Have you selected the correct stump mike?”. You have ONE freaking job for god’s sake!!!
As far as being honest is concerned, it’ll be ideal to let players decide and determine whether to walk when batting or claim a catch when fielding, but then you are relying on players who don’t own the responsibility for the decisions. That decision should always remain with the umpires and players shouldn’t be judged for it. I remember Kohli at his peak walking on Amir’s ball that went way over his head and he thought he had knicked it when it wasn’t even close. So sometimes players either just don’t know or they cheat - either way it’s the umpires who it should be left to to make these decisions.
 
This is preposterous! How hard is it to have a checklist for the operator to mandatorily follow, one point of which says “Have you selected the correct stump mike?”. You have ONE freaking job for god’s sake!!!
As far as being honest is concerned, it’ll be ideal to let players decide and determine whether to walk when batting or claim a catch when fielding, but then you are relying on players who don’t own the responsibility for the decisions. That decision should always remain with the umpires and players shouldn’t be judged for it. I remember Kohli at his peak walking on Amir’s ball that went way over his head and he thought he had knicked it when it wasn’t even close. So sometimes players either just don’t know or they cheat - either way it’s the umpires who it should be left to to make these decisions.
yeah was a tongue in cheek comment. Its up to the umpire not the player.

In this case you are right, it seems a very simple fix. It's probably an issue that could be designed out very quickly. This should probnably have major repurcussions. Imagine if it was a world cup final?

@Devadwal is correct. Had it been an Indian or indeed any desi involved reaction would have been much louder.
 
If he wanted to be honest he should have walked at the time.

Now his honesty after the fact will ensure BBG sports goes under.
For every broad there is a Carey.They care about themselves nothing less.They are pawns in the bigger game.Imagine a company like bbg sports having this trouble just before an ipo launch .Icc have to standardise the process with backup mechanisms.They cant let make fool out of public who paid hefty sums.
 
Snicko operator error behind controversial Carey reprieve

Alex Carey's controversial reprieve on the first day of the third Ashes Test was down to an error by the operator of the Snicko technology.


Carey admitted he edged a delivery from England pace bowler Josh Tongue that was caught by Jamie Smith when the Australia wicketkeeper had 72.

Carey went on to make 106 in Australia's 326-8 at the Adelaide Oval.

BBG Sports, the company that owns Snicko, has accepted culpability for the mistake.

"Given that Alex Carey admitted he had hit the ball in question, the only conclusion that can be drawn from this, is that the Snicko operator at the time must have selected the incorrect stump mic for audio processing," BBG told BBC Sport.

"In light of this, BBG Sports takes full responsibility for the error."

It is understood the sound used for the review was taken from the stump microphone at the bowlers' end, rather than the strikers' end.

This caused a discrepancy between the pictures and sound wave shown to TV umpire Chris Gaffaney.

BBG Sports have confirmed it will investigate the error and take steps to ensure it will not be repeated.

The decision review system (DRS) technology, which is mandatory in matches played in the World Test Championship, is provided by the host TV broadcaster of the home team.

In this instance, the host broadcaster is Fox, which uses BBG to provide Snicko. Fox has opted not to comment.

Australia were 245-6 in the 63rd over of the day when Carey aimed a cut at Tongue, which end in the gloves of Smith.

On-field umpire Ahsan Raza rejected the appeal of England, who immediately reviewed.

Despite a large spike of sound on the Snicko technology, Gaffaney struck down England's review because the ball appeared to be away from the bat when the sound occurred.

That discrepancy arose from the sound being taken from the non-striker's microphone.

"I thought there was a feather or some sort of noise when it passed the bat," said Carey.

"If I was given out I think I would have reviewed it, probably not confidently. It was a nice sound as it passed the bat."

England have raised the matter with match referee Jeff Crowe.

"I don't think we've done anything about it so far but after today, maybe that might go a bit further," said England bowling consultant David Saker.

"There have been concerns about it for the whole series. We shouldn't be talking about this after a day's play, it should just be better than that. It is what it is."

There has been debate about 'Snicko', the technology used in such situations in Australia, throughout the series after a number of inconclusive incidents.

In the first Test in Perth, England wicketkeeper Smith was given out caught behind on review despite a spike coming after the ball had passed his bat and glove.

That was explained as being because the technology used in Australia has a two-frame gap between the pictures and the sound wave.

Carey is not new to Ashes controversy. He was the wicketkeeper who famously stumped Jonny Bairstow at Lord's in the 2023 series, resulting in a febrile final day.

On his reprieve he added: "Snicko obviously didn't line up. It is just the way cricket goes - sometimes you have a bit of luck.

"Maybe it went my way."

Carey was also asked if he is a 'walker' - the tradition where some batters leave the field without waiting for a decision if they believe they have hit the ball.

He joked "clearly not" in response.

Cricket has always been forward thinking with the use of technology. TV replays were used to adjudicate line decisions more than 30 years ago.

What is now known as DRS was first used in 2008, albeit with some teething problems. In 2009, a report by the BBC said the system was in "crisis".

Gradually, DRS has become part of the fabric and drama of the game, used not only in international cricket but many domestic T20 leagues.

Major controversies are few and far between, however discrepancies can arise from country to country, depending on which technology provider is used.

In this instance, the Snicko system used in Australia differs from the Ultraedge operated in the UK.

What happened?

Australia were 245-6 when Carey attempted a cut to Josh Tongue.

England appealed confidently, thinking they had heard an edge, but umpire Ahsan Raza was unmoved.

After captain Ben Stokes challenged the decision, the footage reviewed by TV umpire Chris Gaffaney showed a spike but this came before the ball had reached the bat.

Gaffaney also said he believed there was a gap between bat and ball.

As a result, Carey was given not out.

The technology is the responsibility of the host broadcaster, which is Fox Sports in Australia. Fox take Snicko from a company called BBG Sports.

"I am concerned about the Snicko," said BBC Test Match Special commentator Jonathan Agnew. "We have had a number of incidents where the Snicko has not been good enough.

"I did talk to match referee Ranjan Madugalle in Brisbane and he said we are really concerned about Snicko in the series.

"It was a proper spike and appeared this time before the bat. It couldn't have been anything else. The software isn't working right. Carey should have been out caught behind."

BBC
 
They are making the operator a scapegoat, if the same problem occurs multiple times it means there is something wrong with the technology. :kp
Horrible mistakes, CA have let themselves down...another rich board failing to ensure proper DRS technology
 
Ozzies always get favourable decisions playing at home be it umpiring or tech ..

IIRC even hot spot was in a spot of bother previously ..

Make of it what you can and for the bhangra fans ..

Is ton jo matlab kadhna ae, oh tussi kadd lo.
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Snicko is going to be dumped and uktraedge brought in for boxing day test according to English media
Looks like my point has been vindicated, the end of Snicko technology is near. :kp

 
Ultra Edge is the superior to snicko. Ultra edge is far more refined and polished as a final product.

By the way, why aren't the boards using Hot Spot technology alongside Snicko/Ultra Edge for better decision? Maybe due to High cost?

:kp

Bruh, apparently, hot spot could pick up players passing gas when playing shots. Wasn't the reason why it got scrapped but certainly a quirk of the technology.
 
Bruh, apparently, hot spot could pick up players passing gas when playing shots. Wasn't the reason why it got scrapped but certainly a quirk of the technology.
and yet didn't work well for fast boaling as well as it did for spin bowling. Warren brennan, the hot spot guy admitted as such on rec.sport.cricket
 
and yet didn't work well for fast boaling as well as it did for spin bowling. Warren brennan, the hot spot guy admitted as such on rec.sport.cricket

From what I recall, one of the drawbacks was that it wasn't trustworthy in hot/humid conditions as well. And ofcourse, there was that famous Vaseline accusation going around. :kp
 
Looks like my point has been vindicated, the end of Snicko technology is near. :kp


Some laughed at you and accused you of crying. Now they nod in agreement, even if quietly.

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