[VIDEOS] Pakistan to host Champions Trophy 2025

I have been talking cricket only. I have been laying just facts and hard realities.
No where have i said what BCCI and Indian govt. is doing is fair.
Thanks that you have acknowledging that it is not fair.

I just want to see cricket. No matter whether India comes or not. But the thing is if India is not coming, event should go as planned.

But I think ICC is not International cricket council anymore, it is INDIAN CRICEKT COUNCIL because India generate revenue and ICC treat other small boards like nobodies.
 
PCB can chill and continue with the tournament planning.

If the ICC relocate the tournament, then it is a golden opportunity for PCB to not only sue ICC but withdraw from any ICC sanctioned event.

Even if they don't get any money from ICC, PCB can dictate terms and follow the Packer way by conducting their own tournaments. Let ICC try its best to ban other nations from playing against Pakistan. It will be their headache and they'll be wasting money while they could be making more.

In the long run this is better for Pakistan Cricket. A big middle finger to ICC and short term money loss is better than going along with ICC's terms which are dictated by BCCI.

ICC needs more than the big 3 for revenue and world cricket development. They are trying to tap in new markets such as USA while trying their best to keep old markets such as Windies and SA alive. However, these markets do not offer that much revenue as the Pakistan market which is considerably huge.

One can't just market the sports to a nation and make money in the long run. The nation needs cricket being followed passionately from young age, being played in school, cricket equipment and infrastructure already available, which Pakistan already has in plenty.

In new markets, these things are not there. Almost no-non desi in USA gave a rat's ass about the T20 World Cup despite a lot of marketing spending from ICC. Mostly desis and some foreigners turned up or tuned in. Why? Because cricket is neither part of USA's culture nor do they play any cricket in most schools.

Also, other traditional boards besides the big 3 are looking for more leeway in making more money and having more cricket at their home. Their broadcasters also want do the same.

As soon as Pakistan gives the thought time to ICC, other boards will also get empowered. It will be a matter of time before they too rebel.

ICC will come crawling back to the table fearing.
 
PCB can chill and continue with the tournament planning.

If the ICC relocate the tournament, then it is a golden opportunity for PCB to not only sue ICC but withdraw from any ICC sanctioned event.

Even if they don't get any money from ICC, PCB can dictate terms and follow the Packer way by conducting their own tournaments. Let ICC try its best to ban other nations from playing against Pakistan. It will be their headache and they'll be wasting money while they could be making more.

In the long run this is better for Pakistan Cricket. A big middle finger to ICC and short term money loss is better than going along with ICC's terms which are dictated by BCCI.

ICC needs more than the big 3 for revenue and world cricket development. They are trying to tap in new markets such as USA while trying their best to keep old markets such as Windies and SA alive. However, these markets do not offer that much revenue as the Pakistan market which is considerably huge.

One can't just market the sports to a nation and make money in the long run. The nation needs cricket being followed passionately from young age, being played in school, cricket equipment and infrastructure already available, which Pakistan already has in plenty.

In new markets, these things are not there. Almost no-non desi in USA gave a rat's ass about the T20 World Cup despite a lot of marketing spending from ICC. Mostly desis and some foreigners turned up or tuned in. Why? Because cricket is neither part of USA's culture nor do they play any cricket in most schools.

Also, other traditional boards besides the big 3 are looking for more leeway in making more money and having more cricket at their home. Their broadcasters also want do the same.

As soon as Pakistan gives the thought time to ICC, other boards will also get empowered. It will be a matter of time before they too rebel.

ICC will come crawling back to the table fearing.

Agreed.

Of course, the revenues ICC earn from an India-less tournament will never be the same but about time this 'blackmail' from India was tackled.
 
But still the same Indian cricket council allocates a whole ICC tournament to Pakistan? Heh?
They also do everything to make a mess of those events for Pakistan and in the end the whole event gets shifted to some other country...makes sense
 
They also do everything to make a mess of those events for Pakistan and in the end the whole event gets shifted to some other country...makes sense

Nope it absolutely makes no sense.

Why would they allocate it to Pakistan in the first place if the idea was to shift it anyways? Why would they go through all that hassle? Basic common sense..
 
Agreed.

Of course, the revenues ICC earn from an India-less tournament will never be the same but about time this 'blackmail' from India was tackled.

Are other boards ready to lose money for the sake of Pakistan?
 
BCCI should refrain from sending the team to a nation that has jailed a cricket legend. In an ideal scenario, all cricket boards would have boycotted this event to express solidarity with Imran Khan.
 
Are other boards ready to lose money for the sake of Pakistan?
That is an issue for the ICC and those boards. Whether they will let themselves be used as hostages by BCCI.

Not Pakistans issue. We are merely preparing for a tournament assigned to us by the ICC. The tournament rules are the top 8 have qualified. India is part of the top 8. If they want to throw tantrums they should direct it to ICC for assigning the tournament. No other board seems to have an issue. If India is willing to set world cricket ablaze for its own agendas then that's India's choice.
 
That is an issue for the ICC and those boards. Whether they will let themselves be used as hostages by BCCI.

Not Pakistans issue. We are merely preparing for a tournament assigned to us by the ICC. The tournament rules are the top 8 have qualified. India is part of the top 8. If they want to throw tantrums they should direct it to ICC for assigning the tournament. No other board seems to have an issue. If India is willing to set world cricket ablaze for its own agendas then that's India's choice.

What hostages? India has the right to take its decisions. Other boards have to decide if they want to lose most of the revenue or not.

Latest reports say India is unlikely to travel.

The T20 World Cup is done and dusted and the focus now shifts to the ICC Champions Trophy 2025. Defending Champions Pakistan will host the marquee event from February 19 to March 9 next year. The fate of the tournament, however, hangs in uncertainty as the BCCI are yet to confirm India's participation in the tournament.

As per reports, team India is unlikely to travel to Pakistan for the gala event. Cricket in Pakistan restored normalcy as the Men in Green successfully hosted top teams in the last few years. The country went through a long phase where there was no international cricket in Pakistan following the deadly attack on the Sri Lanka cricket team in 2009. However, things improved for good and cricket returned to the country.



Also BCCI will leave the decision to ICC regards to what will happen.
 
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Latest reports say India is unlikely to travel.

Dont know how people even ended up thinking otherwise..

Khair...India should arrange a three match ODI series with Afghanistan in UAE so that boys can get some warm up in this conditions before the tournament.
 
Thanks that you have acknowledging that it is not fair.

I just want to see cricket. No matter whether India comes or not. But the thing is if India is not coming, event should go as planned.

But I think ICC is not International cricket council anymore, it is INDIAN CRICEKT COUNCIL because India generate revenue and ICC treat other small boards like nobodies.
ICC has never been fair. You are only extra mad that now your neighbor, with whom you assume a default parity status, actually has run away with the control and also performances in cricket. Had India-Pak relations improved and Pakistan able to manage its own internal messes, PCB would, without much effort, have been the 2nd richest board right now.

Boycotts of sports tournaments are nothing new. Countries have boycotted even Olympics but events have gone ahead. The issue with cricket is, without India, ICC has no revenue in modern scale. Closest analogy in sports I can think of is Ferrari in Formula 1, infact India in cricket eclipses what Ferrari is for Formula 1.
 
Agreed.

Of course, the revenues ICC earn from an India-less tournament will never be the same but about time this 'blackmail' from India was tackled.
No one is stopping PCB or ICC from doing that. BCCI or GoI has no control over what ICC does if they themselves choose not to participate.
 
That is an issue for the ICC and those boards. Whether they will let themselves be used as hostages by BCCI.

Not Pakistans issue. We are merely preparing for a tournament assigned to us by the ICC. The tournament rules are the top 8 have qualified. India is part of the top 8. If they want to throw tantrums they should direct it to ICC for assigning the tournament. No other board seems to have an issue. If India is willing to set world cricket ablaze for its own agendas then that's India's choice.
Why is it the India have to play. If they don't want to play, it's ok. Why not move on to the next team. Simple solution.
 
Why is it the India have to play. If they don't want to play, it's ok. Why not move on to the next team. Simple solution.
Very simple I agree . Can you request your board to let the ICC know please so a decision can be made.
 
Very simple I agree . Can you request your board to let the ICC know please so a decision can be made.
Firstly, not my board. Secondly, the ICC can make the decision on their own. They are under no obligation to wait for a yes/no from BCCI. But as a courtesy, they can set a deadline for confirmation of participation. If they don't hear back, India out, SL in. Simple as. CT can go on as planned.
 
Firstly, not my board. Secondly, the ICC can make the decision on their own. They are under no obligation to wait for a yes/no from BCCI. But as a courtesy, they can set a deadline for confirmation of participation. If they don't hear back, India out, SL in. Simple as. CT can go on as planned.
ICC are operating under the basis India are going.

It is not like a wedding invitation where RSVP are sent and you hope for a reply so you can assign tables.

India has had plenty of time to make its decision. It seems like they will wait another month before confirming or rejecting.

As an expert on India and the ICCs obligations - why do you think this process is taking so long
 
UAE or Bangladesh will come in as alternate venue for India, will be diabolical if India makes the final and it is played in Dubai or Mirpur, a real test of Naqvi & no1
 
ICC are operating under the basis India are going.

It is not like a wedding invitation where RSVP are sent and you hope for a reply so you can assign tables.

India has had plenty of time to make its decision. It seems like they will wait another month before confirming or rejecting.

As an expert on India and the ICCs obligations - why do you think this process is taking so long
Just because India is taking it's own sweet time does not mean that ICC has to wait. ICC should just move on. India miss the bus. SL get on the bus. Pakistan host CT.
 
As per reports, PCB has allocated Rs. 12.8 billion to upgrade three stadiums - Gaddafi Stadium (Lahore), National Bank Cricket Arena (Karachi), and Rawalpindi International Cricket Stadium - to international standards ahead of the ICC Champions Trophy . The PCB's 72nd Board of Governors meeting, chaired by Mohsin Naqvi, also approved Rs. 4.5 billion for domestic cricket development and increased contracts for domestic players. The women's cricket budget was boosted from Rs. 70 million to Rs. 240 million, with new central contracts added. The upgrades aim to enhance facilities and ensure international standards.
 
As per reports, PCB has allocated Rs. 12.8 billion to upgrade three stadiums - Gaddafi Stadium (Lahore), National Bank Cricket Arena (Karachi), and Rawalpindi International Cricket Stadium - to international standards ahead of the ICC Champions Trophy . The PCB's 72nd Board of Governors meeting, chaired by Mohsin Naqvi, also approved Rs. 4.5 billion for domestic cricket development and increased contracts for domestic players. The women's cricket budget was boosted from Rs. 70 million to Rs. 240 million, with new central contracts added. The upgrades aim to enhance facilities and ensure international standards.
Rs. 12.8 billion isn’t chump change. Looks like they are adding new pavilions and hospitality boxes to three stadiums. This phase won’t include double tiering because of time constraints but I do hope there are more renos next year.
 
Pak supporters here do nit want to hear the harsh truth and are in denial. Forget rights and wrongs- the reality is Ind is not touring Pak and it'll be a hybrid model. You csn have hundreds of pages of discussion that occ should go ahead without ind, why is bcci holding icc hostage , other countries dont need ind or bcci money etc etc etc .

Bottom-line will be a hybrid model and pcb will bend over backwards and more to accommodate bcci and then wine and dine with the bcci brass. Just like asia cup, odi wc..
 
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India will come, they have no choice, all the other teams don’t have a problem, it doesn’t matter what Modi wants, they either come over or forfeit the tournament
What will ICC do if India doesn't turn up and loses 80% of the tournament revenue ?
 
What will ICC do if India doesn't turn up and loses 80% of the tournament revenue ?
Nothing much, ICC won't be losing any revenue unless India's participation is part of the broadcaster deal. India will lose participation share and broadbaster will be seriously pissed and next contract will include the clause of Indian participation.

If Indian participation is already part of the deal, then yes, CT 2025 might be making losses for everyone without India.
The tournament might be simply scrapped and Pakistan may not get a chance to host again. That's the worst case scenario.
We dont know the details.
 
Read through the entire discussion here.

Frankly this is an ICC event. We don't know what the vote count was when Pakistan was awarded the hosting rights, but I'll point out that Geoff Allardice of Australia and Greg Barclay took over ICC management in 2021 and 2020 respectively. Wasim Khan likely argued their case for hosting rights successfully but I can't imagine the political issues around India weren't discussed at all.
When it comes to the cup, as I have said before, India needs to make clear its position. Now. Jay Shah was loud enough to advocate his position prior to the Asia Cup and Rameez Raja was loud enough to counter, although his swift ousting not long after that with the GOP regime change basically ensured Pakistan would comply with BCCI issues with a minimum of fuss. That indicates to me that India will make a decision on how they want to play this game soon.

All the Indians who are screaming that India can simply do whatever they like-TV deals have been signed, the venue plan has been arranged, and Pakistan is upgrading stadiums for the matches. If India backs out at the last minute, there WILL be damages. India can't say "we'll tour" or "we're currently thinking about it" and then at the last minute back out. You may think that India's gold will be enough, but after Australia and England have basically backed Pakistan for this tournament, they will find a way to make this work. Do remember that England and Pakistan have been quite friendly with each other, Pakistan by touring England for a Test series during the pandemic (and with England returning the favor to show confidence in the Pakistani security situation). Australia and New Zealand followed that lead by also touring Pakistan for full series and England and South Africa are scheduled to return this year with Bangladesh too.

India basically has four options here:
1. Go to Pakistan without any complaints.
2. Agree to play in Pakistan but refuse to stay in Pakistan (i.e. stay in hotels across the border and fly in for matches).
3. Refuse to play in Pakistan and demand a hybrid tournament.
4. Refuse to play at all.

Once they choose their path I think it will start determining long-term cricket planning for both countries. Personally, I'm not against the hybrid model for matches in Pakistan and India-as long as each team gets to host ALL non-final of their matches in their home country. It's highly unbalanced to demand Pakistan tour India and to let India make money off them for World Cup matches when they have a cricket mad fan base in Pakistan. Effectively, I'm advocating for partial joint hosting. IE for 2026 T20 World Cup Pakistan can host all Pakistan's group matches, Super 8, and semi-final matches except for Pakistan-India if Pakistan is playing. Once they're out of the tournament, India can host the rest of the matches including the final (as it would be far too difficult to move that to Pakistan if PK made the final and India didn't). This way neither side is making money off the other and it's fair and balanced. This is a market-based approach to fairness.

As for all the posters claiming here that Pakistan has been its own worst enemy, you're right to an extent. The constant political backlash that sees leadership removed with the changing of political leadership is absurd and ridiculous. Cricket is a business. You have to do everything you can to make your team as competitive as possible, build a strong fan base, and consistently get good sides to tour your country. It's a give-and-take. Having professional leadership that withstands political administration is hugely important. I actually happen to think raja and Wasim Khan did a pretty decent job compared with the people in charge since then. I advocated for Pakistan stealing tours from India years ago, especially during the UAE years. You want to build good relationships with other boards, go and tour them and ensure they know you're ready to help them-and they will help you in return. this is why Test cricket returned to cricket. that's something else you all need to factor in btw-it took YEARS for Pakistan to rebuild trust in the security situation that brought big sides in to tour. between PSL, building up from Zimbabwe to Sri Lanka to New Zealand to England-all that took years of hard work by PCB and the government of Pakistan.

But they DID do that. And it was rewarded. India's been the only country with an axe to grind, and we know it has zero to do with cricket and everything to do with politics.
Pakistan still needs to make its own way in cricket, but I still believe they can do extremely well in cricket and make their way to professional administration and be as others have said here, the second richest cricket board with a vibrant cricket culture. It will just take a lot of work, and it will take everyone in the Pakistani cricketing setup, from the top administrators to the cricket players themselves to reach that lofty status.
 
ICC should clear the air now. If the event has to be moved, make it clear now. No point waiting for the last minute when all the arrangement are made and PCB has to suffer the losses. again.
 
ICC should clear the air now. If the event has to be moved, make it clear now. No point waiting for the last minute when all the arrangement are made and PCB has to suffer the losses. again.
Aiven hi, They revived champions Trophy. It was well decided in 2016 that 2017 edition would be that last.
Free ka masala for all to play with
 
The 72nd Board of Governors meeting (BoG) of the Pakistan Cricket Board convened at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore on Saturday.

The meeting was led by Chairman PCB Mohsin Naqvi while COO PCB, Salman Naseer, Chief financial officer, Javed Murtaza, Director Domestic PCB, Abdullah Khurram Niazi and members of the BOG including Zahid Akhtar Zaman, Sajjad Ali Khokhar, Zafarullah Jadgal, Tanvir Ahmed, Tariq Sarwar, Dr Anwar Ahmed Khan, Mohammad Ismail Qureshi, Mairaj Mehmood and Usama Azhar were present in the meeting.

PCB’s budget for the fiscal year 2024-25 was approved in the meeting while a development budget of 12.8 billion rupees were also approved for the upgradation of the Gaddafi stadium, Lahore, Rawalpindi Stadium and National Bank Stadium, Karachi. A total of 4.5 billion has been set aside for the upcoming 2024-25 domestic season. The Women’s Cricket budget has also been increased from PKR 70 million to 240 million. Moreover, an increase in the remuneration in the central contracts of the women players was also approved.

In the meeting it was decided that the PCB will look after 12 cricket grounds besides the major venues that are set to host domestic cricket in the 2024-25 season. Meanwhile, it was also decided that the PCB will provide funds to ground staff working in 100 different grounds across the country.

One of the agendas of the meeting involved planning for successful staging of the upcoming ICC Champions Trophy 2025. Members of the meeting also discussed strategies to improve the quality of domestic cricket in the country. Chairman PCB also briefed the members regarding the steps taken to promote and improve the women’s game in the country.

Chairman PCB Mohsin Naqvi: “The upgradation work of the three major venues will be completed well in time and the PCB will arrange world class facilities for the showpiece event. The PCB is consistently working to explore new venues for the domestic tournaments which are to take place in the upcoming season.”
 
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If India refuses to visit Pakistan, ICC has two options:

1. Play the tournament without India. Will result in huge revenue losses. Remember that a number of cricket boards survive on the annual ICC revenue share. A 60-70 per cent drop in revenue will ruin them.

2. A hybrid model.

If ICC goes ahead without India, BCCI has 2-3 choices to make up for the revenue loss

1. A mini IPL

2. A India A B C series

3. Invite the Afghans


It remains to be seen what happens.

But
Nothing much, ICC won't be losing any revenue unless India's participation is part of the broadcaster deal. India will lose participation share and broadbaster will be seriously pissed and next contract will include the clause of Indian participation.

If Indian participation is already part of the deal, then yes, CT 2025 might be making losses for everyone without India.
The tournament might be simply scrapped and Pakistan may not get a chance to host again. That's the worst case scenario.
We dont know the details.

ICC broadcaster rights were sold Territory wise. Of the entire deal of $3.2bn approx, $3bn is being paid by Disney Star for India territory rights.

If India is absent, why will Disney pay for the full rights?
 
If India refuses to visit Pakistan, ICC has two options:

1. Play the tournament without India. Will result in huge revenue losses. Remember that a number of cricket boards survive on the annual ICC revenue share. A 60-70 per cent drop in revenue will ruin them.

2. A hybrid model.

If ICC goes ahead without India, BCCI has 2-3 choices to make up for the revenue loss

1. A mini IPL

2. A India A B C series

3. Invite the Afghans


It remains to be seen what happens.

But


ICC broadcaster rights were sold Territory wise. Of the entire deal of $3.2bn approx, $3bn is being paid by Disney Star for India territory rights.

If India is absent, why will Disney pay for the full rights?
Expect that if a hybrid model is adopted, Pakistan will start demanding one for India-hosted tournaments. Again, England and Australia have backed Pakistan to host the Champions Trophy and ICC tournaments make no money without Pakistan vs. India. They could bully Pakistan over the Asia Cup but this is an ICC tournament. If India continues to refuse to tour Pakistan, then let's lay all the cards on the table. No ICC revenue from Pakistan-India matches for the ICC unless they give Pakistan something in return-namely, Pakistan should be allowed to host their tournament matches at home.
 
Expect that if a hybrid model is adopted, Pakistan will start demanding one for India-hosted tournaments. Again, England and Australia have backed Pakistan to host the Champions Trophy and ICC tournaments make no money without Pakistan vs. India. They could bully Pakistan over the Asia Cup but this is an ICC tournament. If India continues to refuse to tour Pakistan, then let's lay all the cards on the table. No ICC revenue from Pakistan-India matches for the ICC unless they give Pakistan something in return-namely, Pakistan should be allowed to host their tournament matches at home.
So you think Australia and England back Pakistan over india?? Right .
 
If India refuses to visit Pakistan, ICC has two options:

1. Play the tournament without India. Will result in huge revenue losses. Remember that a number of cricket boards survive on the annual ICC revenue share. A 60-70 per cent drop in revenue will ruin them.

2. A hybrid model.

If ICC goes ahead without India, BCCI has 2-3 choices to make up for the revenue loss

1. A mini IPL

2. A India A B C series

3. Invite the Afghans


It remains to be seen what happens.

But


ICC broadcaster rights were sold Territory wise. Of the entire deal of $3.2bn approx, $3bn is being paid by Disney Star for India territory rights.

If India is absent, why will Disney pay for the full rights?
That is broadcaster revenue. There are other broadcasters waiting in line to cast the tournament. The revenue share comes from all over the globe watchers with major share in India because of India's cricket following population.

What makes one think that Indians will not watch a ICC tournament without India in it from another broadcaster?

Knowing my fellow countrymen, they'll watch.

Plus ICC will still get the revenue from original broadcaster when it casts the India vs Srilanka or Afghanistan bilateral series while the ICC tournament goes on.

Some of the posts here are trying to push the status quo as an agenda that favors the power play of their nation and not thinking of easy solutions that actually resolve such issues in world cricket.
 
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Expect that if a hybrid model is adopted, Pakistan will start demanding one for India-hosted tournaments. Again, England and Australia have backed Pakistan to host the Champions Trophy and ICC tournaments make no money without Pakistan vs. India. They could bully Pakistan over the Asia Cup but this is an ICC tournament. If India continues to refuse to tour Pakistan, then let's lay all the cards on the table. No ICC revenue from Pakistan-India matches for the ICC unless they give Pakistan something in return-namely, Pakistan should be allowed to host their tournament matches at home.

Pakistan can demand anything. Its their right. Getting it is a different thing altogether.

There is no separate broadcast or sponsorship deal for any India Pakistan match.

Majority of ICC revenues come from India. Not Pakistan.
 
That is broadcaster revenue. There are other broadcasters waiting in line to cast the tournament. The revenue share comes from all over the globe watchers with major share in India because of India's cricket following population.

What makes one think that Indians will not watch a ICC tournament without India in it from another broadcaster?

Knowing my fellow countrymen, they'll watch.

Plus ICC will still get the revenue from original broadcaster when it casts the India vs Srilanka or Afghanistan bilateral series while the ICC tournament goes on.

Some of the posts here are trying to push the status quo as an agenda that favors the power play of their nation and not thinking of easy solutions that actually resolve such issues in world cricket.

ICC broadcast rights are sold Territory wise. Why will the rights holder for India market pay the same money when India is boycotting the tournament?

Revenue will come from other territories but it will not make up the near 60-70 per cent loss in India's absence.

So Indians will have the same interest in a tournament boycotted by India in comparison to a tournament India participated? Esp if Indian stars are involved in another event.

Why will any broadcaster pay ICC for a bilateral series between India and another team? That money will go to BCCI.

There's no agenda. There's only truth. 80 percent of ICC revenues come from India and without India that revenue will drop significantly. Many boards survive on this ICC revenue share. So a significant drop will ruin their budget. Every board has its own interests to look after.
 
Pak supporters here do nit want to hear the harsh truth and are in denial. Forget rights and wrongs- the reality is Ind is not touring Pak and it'll be a hybrid model. You csn have hundreds of pages of discussion that occ should go ahead without ind, why is bcci holding icc hostage , other countries dont need ind or bcci money etc etc etc .

Bottom-line will be a hybrid model and pcb will bend over backwards and more to accommodate bcci and then wine and dine with the bcci brass. Just like asia cup, odi wc..

If India is not touring then why the delay in announcement. A hybrid model also takes time to set up for logistics, planning , scheduling and fans to travel.
 
Just because India is taking it's own sweet time does not mean that ICC has to wait. ICC should just move on. India miss the bus. SL get on the bus. Pakistan host CT.
ICC are working under the assumption that India is touring precisely because there has been nothing said about not going.

Teams don't get randomly kicked out of tournaments for not publicly commenting if they are touring or not lol. It is not a school trip that is being organised.
 
If India is not touring then why the delay in announcement. A hybrid model also takes time to set up for logistics, planning , scheduling and fans to travel.
Because of Indian bureaucracy. Later the declaration, PCB will be under the gun to accept the demands. Horse trading, trying to guage ICC reponse to Indians refusal to tour Pakistan. Negotiations and horse trading to show broadcast revenue to be affected if India doesn’t tour
 
Because of Indian bureaucracy. Later the declaration, PCB will be under the gun to accept the demands. Horse trading, trying to guage ICC reponse to Indians refusal to tour Pakistan. Negotiations and horse trading to show broadcast revenue to be affected if India doesn’t tour
So the assumption that India is trying to hold the cricket world hostage ( including fans) is correct .....
 
Pakistan can demand anything. Its their right. Getting it is a different thing altogether.

There is no separate broadcast or sponsorship deal for any India Pakistan match.

Majority of ICC revenues come from India. Not Pakistan.
Really? Pakistan contributes nothing? Then why are they always scheduled to play each other in ICC tournaments? Be serious with yourself and look past your saffron sunglasses for a minute.

If Pakistan had advanced in the T20 World Cup, do you know what their seeding was? A2. India was A1. The ICC had planned for them to play twice.
2023-same group
2022-same group
2021-same group
2019-same group
2017-same group
2015-same group
2013-same group

You'd have to go back to 2011, when Pakistan and India did not meet until the semis, to find a World Cup or other ICC tournament where Pakistan and India were not guaranteed to play each other. Notably, this happened after bilateral cricket ties between Pakistan and India were suspended after the 11/26 attacks (except for the 2012 series). I'm not even factoring in the Asia Cups where the ACC ensures Pakistan and India are likely to face each other multiple times throughout the course of the event.

If what you say is correct, then India should have no problem letting Pakistan host their own group at ICC tournaments and not playing India at all unless they meet in a knockout round. After all, the ICC doesn't need the apparently minimal amount of marginal revenue that a Pakistan-India match will generate, nor will they need the revenue generated from Pakistan touring India for ICC tournament matches.
 
So the assumption that India is trying to hold the cricket world hostage ( including fans) is correct .....
I am not sure I would use the word hostage. But being the most powerful sports body, they have their fair share of demands in their responsibility towards ICT and its fans.
 
So you think Australia and England back Pakistan over india?? Right .
Right indeed! If they didn't, then why is Pakistan hosting the Champions trophy? Why are we even having this conversation? Why has this thread gone on for 13 pages and over 1000 posts? They could have held the Champions Trophy in England, Australia, or South Africa and the question of India coming to Pakistan would have been a nonissue.
 
Right indeed! If they didn't, then why is Pakistan hosting the Champions trophy? Why are we even having this conversation? Why has this thread gone on for 13 pages and over 1000 posts? They could have held the Champions Trophy in England, Australia, or South Africa and the question of India coming to Pakistan would have been a nonissue.
Well, IIRC this series was awarded to Pakistan when Ganguly was BCCI chairman. Ganguly was sympathetic towards PCB.
 
So the assumption that India is trying to hold the cricket world hostage ( including fans) is correct .....

Lol how is it "holding cricket hostage" .

We aren't forcing any cricket board to do anything they do not want to do. It's just that the other boards are so desperate for Indian participation for financial purposes that they will do anything to ensure of it.

I'm not sure how that can be called as holding anything hostage. It's not BCCI's fault that all the other boards are so incompetent that they rely on India for their bread and butter.
 
Well, IIRC this series was awarded to Pakistan when Ganguly was BCCI chairman. Ganguly was sympathetic towards PCB.
Now that SCG has been unceremoniously kicked out. ECB and CAB don’t care where the series is hosted as long as they get $ bills
 
Lol how is it "holding cricket hostage" .

We aren't forcing any cricket board to do anything they do not want to do. It's just that the other boards are so desperate for Indian participation for financial purposes that they will do anything to ensure of it.

I'm not sure how that can be called as holding anything hostage. It's not BCCI's fault that all the other boards are so incompetent that they rely on India for their bread and butter.
The tournament is mere months away.

India should declare it's intentions because at the moment the tournament is moving as if India is touring. There has been no comment to the contrary.

If they are delaying the announcement to the last minute for horse trading as was alleged then it is indeed holding it hostage.

What else would you call it?
 
The tournament is mere months away.

India should declare it's intentions because at the moment the tournament is moving as if India is touring. There has been no comment to the contrary.

If they are delaying the announcement to the last minute for horse trading as was alleged then it is indeed holding it hostage.

What else would you call it?
Well, they are negotiating to see what are the outcomes of the decision. Menwhile pcb != world cricket. IMO ICT shouldn’t be playing cricket with PCT.
 
The tournament is mere months away.

India should declare it's intentions because at the moment the tournament is moving as if India is touring. There has been no comment to the contrary.

If they are delaying the announcement to the last minute for horse trading as was alleged then it is indeed holding it hostage.

What else would you call it?

I wouldn't call it that because the tournament isn't actually going to move from Pakistan.

Most likely India will play just their games in UAE which is a mere 2 hrs flight away from Karachi. And besides...it's not India's prerogative to make any announcement. It's an ICC event.
 
I wouldn't call it that because the tournament isn't actually going to move from Pakistan.

Most likely India will play just their games in UAE which is a mere 2 hrs flight away from Karachi. And besides...it's not India's prerogative to make any announcement. It's an ICC event.
So ICC reads Jay Shahs mind and makes the announcement?
 
The tournament is mere months away.

India should declare it's intentions because at the moment the tournament is moving as if India is touring. There has been no comment to the contrary.

If they are delaying the announcement to the last minute for horse trading as was alleged then it is indeed holding it hostage.

What else would you call it?
Btw India in not obliged to declare its intentions. Difficult to predict security situation 6 months from now.
 
Well, they are negotiating to see what are the outcomes of the decision. Menwhile pcb != world cricket. IMO ICT shouldn’t be playing cricket with PCT.
Where is this negotiation taking place and what stage are the talks?
 
Really? Pakistan contributes nothing? Then why are they always scheduled to play each other in ICC tournaments? Be serious with yourself and look past your saffron sunglasses for a minute.

If Pakistan had advanced in the T20 World Cup, do you know what their seeding was? A2. India was A1. The ICC had planned for them to play twice.
2023-same group
2022-same group
2021-same group
2019-same group
2017-same group
2015-same group
2013-same group

You'd have to go back to 2011, when Pakistan and India did not meet until the semis, to find a World Cup or other ICC tournament where Pakistan and India were not guaranteed to play each other. Notably, this happened after bilateral cricket ties between Pakistan and India were suspended after the 11/26 attacks (except for the 2012 series). I'm not even factoring in the Asia Cups where the ACC ensures Pakistan and India are likely to face each other multiple times throughout the course of the event.

If what you say is correct, then India should have no problem letting Pakistan host their own group at ICC tournaments and not playing India at all unless they meet in a knockout round. After all, the ICC doesn't need the apparently minimal amount of marginal revenue that a Pakistan-India match will generate, nor will they need the revenue generated from Pakistan touring India for ICC tournament matches.

Really? Pakistan contributes nothing? Then why are they always scheduled to play each other in ICC tournaments? Be serious with yourself and look past your saffron sunglasses for a minute.

If Pakistan had advanced in the T20 World Cup, do you know what their seeding was? A2. India was A1. The ICC had planned for them to play twice.
2023-same group
2022-same group
2021-same group
2019-same group
2017-same group
2015-same group
2013-same group

You'd have to go back to 2011, when Pakistan and India did not meet until the semis, to find a World Cup or other ICC tournament where Pakistan and India were not guaranteed to play each other. Notably, this happened after bilateral cricket ties between Pakistan and India were suspended after the 11/26 attacks (except for the 2012 series). I'm not even factoring in the Asia Cups where the ACC ensures Pakistan and India are likely to face each other multiple times throughout the course of the event.

If what you say is correct, then India should have no problem letting Pakistan host their own group at ICC tournaments and not playing India at all unless they meet in a knockout round. After all, the ICC doesn't need the apparently minimal amount of marginal revenue that a Pakistan-India match will generate, nor will they need the revenue generated from Pakistan touring India for ICC tournament matches.

Read the article.

85 per cent of ICC revenues come from India. Then there's England and Australia.

Rest of the countries together probably don't even contribute 10 per cent. So calculate how much pakistan is contributing.

Broadcast rights for India territory sold for 3bn. UK 260mn. Australia 60mn.

What is the value of pakistan territory rights?
 
I wouldn't call it that because the tournament isn't actually going to move from Pakistan.

Most likely India will play just their games in UAE which is a mere 2 hrs flight away from Karachi. And besides...it's not India's prerogative to make any announcement. It's an ICC event.

Interesting! Why don't they simply hold their matches at Ghandi Ground in Amritsar if that's their goal? Travel costs will be minimal as teams can just cross at the Wagah Border. It's less than an hour from Lahore. Just coordinate the schedule so that a team playing in Lahore has their next match in Amritsar.
 
Interesting! Why don't they simply hold their matches at Ghandi Ground in Amritsar if that's their goal? Travel costs will be minimal as teams can just cross at the Wagah Border. It's less than an hour from Lahore. Just coordinate the schedule so that a team playing in Lahore has their next match in Amritsar.
They need to cross international borders between two hostile nations. Infeasible IMO
 
ICC are working under the assumption that India is touring precisely because there has been nothing said about not going.

Teams don't get randomly kicked out of tournaments for not publicly commenting if they are touring or not lol. It is not a school trip that is being organised.

ICC should either reveal if India has signed the MPA or set a deadline for India to sign it.
 

Read the article.

85 per cent of ICC revenues come from India. Then there's England and Australia.

Rest of the countries together probably don't even contribute 10 per cent. So calculate how much pakistan is contributing.
Gotcha, so you are working under the assumption that Pakistan-India matches contribute nothing at all to ICC tournament revenues.
then you should have no problem not playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments and letting Pakistan host their ICC tournament matches when ICC is main tournament host.
 
Interesting! Why don't they simply hold their matches at Ghandi Ground in Amritsar if that's their goal? Travel costs will be minimal as teams can just cross at the Wagah Border. It's less than an hour from Lahore. Just coordinate the schedule so that a team playing in Lahore has their next match in Amritsar.


Yes it could be a good idea.:)

I said this a long time ago on this forum. If PCB were sensible regarding this matter, they could have offered the BCCI to okay India games in Mohali and Delhi which is a half hour flight from Lahore..

In that way, teams wouldn't need to completely shift their base like they'd do if the other venue is UAE.
 
They need to cross international borders between two hostile nations. Infeasible IMO
No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:


One sixty-seven trucks carrying dry fruits, 132 carrying fresh fruits, 37 with Malathi and a truck each of wool and anardana entered India through the Integrated Check Post at Attari in the first two months of 2024. While the goods came from Afghanistan and were meant for the Indian markets, the vehicles that carried them bore Pakistani registration number plates.

Since February 2019, although Afghanistan and India continue to engage in trade via Pakistan, the two neighbouring countries — India and Pakistan — have stopped buying and selling each other’s products.

Trade with Pakistan was first hit after an imposition of 200 per cent duty by the Indian government following the Pulwama attack in February 2019 which saw the death of 40 CRPF personnel. Later, the Pakistan government officially suspended trade with India in August 2019 following the abrogation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir.

Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.

Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
 
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Gotcha, so you are working under the assumption that Pakistan-India matches contribute nothing at all to ICC tournament revenues.
then you should have no problem not playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments and letting Pakistan host their ICC tournament matches when ICC is main tournament host.

All matches contribute something. Bit there is no separate revenue model for individual matches.

But there is separate revenue from different territories and that indicate 85 per cent revenues are from India.

I have no problems if India doesn't play Pakistan in any ICC matches.

India is sharing hosting rights with SL for the next T20 WC. Pakistan can play there.

Btw remember one thing India makes nearly 7bn from the sale of broadcast rights of IPL and BCCI's home series. And not a single pakistani is involved in them. Tells you how Pakistan isn't a big factor in getting money from India.
 
No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:

Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.

Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
Yeah so the players travel 1 hour plus route
No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:

Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.

Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
1 hour plus travel time + international Visa checks is not feasible on match day.
As for attack, the stakes are high everywhere, so I am not sure if BCCI will risk it and GOI will absolutely ot risk it.
 
All matches contribute something. Bit there is no separate revenue model for individual matches.

But there is separate revenue from different territories and that indicate 85 per cent revenues are from India.

I have no problems if India doesn't play Pakistan in any ICC matches.

India is sharing hosting rights with SL for the next T20 WC. Pakistan can play there.

Btw remember one thing India makes nearly 7bn from the sale of broadcast rights of IPL and BCCI's home series. And not a single pakistani is involved in them. Tells you how Pakistan isn't a big factor in getting money from India.
Why does the ICC schedule the India Pakistan game in every tournament without fail?
 
No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:



One sixty-seven trucks carrying dry fruits, 132 carrying fresh fruits, 37 with Malathi and a truck each of wool and anardana entered India through the Integrated Check Post at Attari in the first two months of 2024. While the goods came from Afghanistan and were meant for the Indian markets, the vehicles that carried them bore Pakistani registration number plates.

Since February 2019, although Afghanistan and India continue to engage in trade via Pakistan, the two neighbouring countries — India and Pakistan — have stopped buying and selling each other’s products.

Trade with Pakistan was first hit after an imposition of 200 per cent duty by the Indian government following the Pulwama attack in February 2019 which saw the death of 40 CRPF personnel. Later, the Pakistan government officially suspended trade with India in August 2019 following the abrogation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir.

Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.

Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
alag level ke jugaad!!
Bhai, International cricket hai, gully ki cricket team nahi! :sarf_facepalm

Have you ever been part of an organization of a school event even?
 
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CT is not moving anywhere .maybe hybrid model for Indian matches.

But as you said not many statements from BCCI offical this time so something is happening behind the back chanel.

Hopefully india tour to Pakistan and relations start improving from here.



Moving CT out of Pakistan isn't easy, have there been any statement from Jay Shah just like Asia cup?
 
I get a feeling this community has very little idea how much things and public opinion towards Pakistan has changed since 26/11. Resumption of normal ties will be an herculean effort. Unless trading with Pakistan is beneficial, I don’t see any reduction in hostilities from GOI.
 
CT is not moving anywhere .maybe hybrid model for Indian matches.

But as you said not many statements from BCCI offical this time so something is happening behind the back chanel.

Hopefully india tour to Pakistan and relations start improving from here.
It is not in the domain of BCCI right now. The matter is now with sports ministry.
 
I get a feeling this community has very little idea how much things and public opinion towards Pakistan has changed since 26/11. Resumption of normal ties will be an herculean effort. Unless trading with Pakistan is beneficial, I don’t see any reduction in hostilities from GOI.
Then we need to Stop playing all the sports with Pakistan .why only cricket team is not playing while other sports teams has no problem going to Pakistan. to some extent even I don't understand GOI policy .

Either stop playing every sports with them or allowed to play all sports .
 
Then we need to Stop playing all the sports with Pakistan .why only cricket team is not playing while other sports teams has no problem going to Pakistan. to some extent even I don't understand GOI policy .

Either stop playing every sports with them or allowed to play all sports .

If i am not wrong, no national team of India has visited Pakistan. Players may have visited in individual capacity.
 
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