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Your thoughts on whether Fawad Alam has done enough to keep his place in the Pakistan Test side?

He showed some courage in Pakistan's first innings at Southampton in the 3rd Test after the duck upon his recall.

Question marks over his stance and whether he is over the hill. Whilst others feel he is still good enough.
 
No. He is washed up.

Needs to be a replaced a batsman in mid twenties.
 
This series should be last for Shafiq, Azhar and Fawad.
 
To be honest he did take on Archer who i thought he'd struggle against and he did look solid for the most part. According to some reports as well he was dismissed on a no ball.

I still think that another away series and a home series is in order before you give him a booting. I reckon he did ok, you can't expect someone to hit the ground running besides 2 innings is hardly anything to judge someone on. If anything why have question marks not been put on Asad Shafiq?
 
There's a lot of sympathy for him and rightly so, but it was too late to bring him back. With few Test matches played every year where he'll be 35+ in a couple of years time, there's not much mileage there.
 
Did he do enough? Yes actually, he didn't do too badly and certainly should be retained before Asad.

Would I retain him? Well I wouldn't have picked him in the first place. I see no point in bringing back an unproven 34 year old. Harsh on him but that's how it is sadly.
 
I think he should get another chance he was okay and he can bowl a bit too so that helps I guess but I would be willing to have him for another series or 2 and see how he does off topic but I think they should give kashif bhatti a game to see what he can do rather than warming the bench
 
He looked poor in the two tests, but deserves a go in Pakistan.

One could argue he is a poor investment considering his age, but still deserves a few tests at home as a reward for his continuous hard work in the last 13 years and averaging 60 something in Pak domestic cricket.

I know Haris Sohail is superior, but Asad Shafiq has had enough chances now.
 
Asad should be dropped now but Fawad should be given the series to NZ. 90% chances are that he will fail but there are some etiquettes when you give someone a chance after 10+ years. Now that he has been played, he deserves his full chance and so does every player that gets selected. But is true he might not last long and a youngster should gradually take the No. 5/No.6 slot.
 
Kroll said:
There's a lot of sympathy for him and rightly so, but it was too late to bring him back. With few Test matches played every year where he'll be 35+ in a couple of years time, there's not much mileage there.
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I feel sorry for him and he deserved a chance, but with our next Test series in NZ, it's time to select somebody else. He has tolled for years, but age has caught up to him. We already have Azhar and Shafiq as seniors, we cannot afford any more seniors.
 
There is no debate here. If you pick a player for the test side you cannot disregard him after 2 innings!

1st Test: Did not play
2nd Test - 1st inn: 0, 2nd inn: DNB
3rd Test - 1st inn 21, 2nd inn: 0 not out.

He would certainly be hard done if he gets dropped based on this.

Compare this to Asad Shafiq who played all 3 tests, batted in 5 innings and was dismissed cheaply all 5 times.
 
Deserves a solid run , just like anyone else who gets selected . Two and a bit innings is hardly a barometer to judge anyone .
 
You cannot drop a player on 2 innings, the first of which was in extremely difficult conditions. At least if he fails in NZ, you will have a case to drop him. Deserves his place far more than Asad.
 
Azhar, Aslam, Abid, Babar, Haris, Rizwan

Above is if we go with 5 bowlers, otherwise I’d consider Haider (from current squad) at 6, Rizwan 7.

Azhar and soon Abid’s age still an issue - thought Abid did reasonably well considering how daft the Bess dismissal was.
 
The problem is that he was brought back in. Would have been an easier convo had he not. However, now that he has been called back would make sense for him to play 4-5 tests (in total) in place of Asad Shafiq. Not both.
 
I don't think it is fair to drop anybody after 3 innings.
I don't think fawad has shown enough, but Asad should have done the business for him. He should be dropped first
 
There is no reason he should not be given more chances,he looked solid in the inning he got a start and looked to be confident in his last inning too. He will make lots of runs in tbe easier series coming up. Yes bring a youngster but at expense of Asad not Fawad.
 
On a related note, we need shadab and Rizwan at 6 and 7.
I am convinced this is the way to go.
We need to invest in shadab, the innings he played in the first innings is very understated.
Play him as a bat and it takes the pressure of his bowling, which may help him perform better
 
Abdullah said:
On a related note, we need shadab and Rizwan at 6 and 7.
I am convinced this is the way to go.
We need to invest in shadab, the innings he played in the first innings is very understated.
Play him as a bat and it takes the pressure of his bowling, which may help him perform better
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Do you think rizwan should bat at 5 due to his playing style and maybe haider play at 6 due to his game.
 
If a player is picked for the test side he should be given an extended run. If you are not going to give him an extended run, then not fair to give him just a few chances in rain affected matches.

He should be persisted for the next couple of series at least
 
Abdullah said:
On a related note, we need shadab and Rizwan at 6 and 7.
I am convinced this is the way to go.
We need to invest in shadab, the innings he played in the first innings is very understated.
Play him as a bat and it takes the pressure of his bowling, which may help him perform better
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I agree on your point about Shadab, but he really needs to improve his temperament. I understand it's probably a young batsman thing, but his dismissal looked like the death overs of a T20, completely threw it away unnecessarily. However, I do agree that ideally those 2 are our future number 6 and 7.
 
As Nasser Hussain rightly said, selection is partly about investment in the future.
Asad and Fawad both need to be replaced by players in early to mid twenties. Desperately hard on Fawad who should have got more chances before, but it is now time to move on.
 
He’s 35 there’s absolutely no point in investing in a 35 year old, unless he has lit it up this series.
 
No.

He hasn't done enough.

He is also old now and Pakistan should get a younger batsman.
 
Honestly, I don’t really know. On one hand, from a player point of view you need to make a long term investment, so Fawad isn’t the way to go. But on the other hand, it would be unfair for him to be dropped as he wasn’t given a proper chance (story of his career).
 
Simple swap in my view -

Fawad for Asad.

Problem solved.
 
Misbah's real career took off in 2010 when he was 35 and he milked it as much as possible up to the age of 42, why should Fawad be denied the same opportunity given that he is as super fit as Misbah?
 
He is certainly not 4 Aus Eng Sa Nz tours.....no need 2 waste a spot .....yes he can be a stopgap replacement 4 Haris Sohail.....until Pak find new bat
 
I don't know but whats the current form and stats of Saud Shakeel U Salahuddin ....and others....
 
Firebat said:
I agree on your point about Shadab, but he really needs to improve his temperament. I understand it's probably a young batsman thing, but his dismissal looked like the death overs of a T20, completely threw it away unnecessarily. However, I do agree that ideally those 2 are our future number 6 and 7.
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Agreed he got carried away just underrated Bess and trying to get to 50. He's a quick learner though. What preceded for 2.5 hours before that was excellent
 
shamaan said:
Do you think rizwan should bat at 5 due to his playing style and maybe haider play at 6 due to his game.
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If we are going to say shadab needs to play ( as batter and good 5th bowling option) then it will be harder to blood Haider as you only play 5 bats. 2 are your openers , one is Babar and I don't think you can afford the any of the others to be totally untested.
At home he could play at 5, but the away tours will be tough.
Rizwan is fine at 6 and I like the prospect of him batting with shadab and running the fielding team hard at the end of a days play
I would play Haider in the odis and see how he goes and then debut him at home.
 
Abdullah said:
If we are going to say shadab needs to play ( as batter and good 5th bowling option) then it will be harder to blood Haider as you only play 5 bats. 2 are your openers , one is Babar and I don't think you can afford the any of the others to be totally untested.
At home he could play at 5, but the away tours will be tough.
Rizwan is fine at 6 and I like the prospect of him batting with shadab and running the fielding team hard at the end of a days play
I would play Haider in the odis and see how he goes and then debut him at home.
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True good point rizwan and shadab will run the field ragged
 
I guess he's now fighting for 2 spots with Asad Shafiq and Haris Sohail.

I'd go with the 2 lefties.
 
His fans will give every possible excuse for his failures, write a paragraph or two about injustice and this will go on for 2-3 more games before he is dropped again.
 
Suleiman said:
His fans will give every possible excuse for his failures, write a paragraph or two about injustice and this will go on for 2-3 more games before he is dropped again.
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Well if someone selected he should get proper chances before dropping, especially when that team keep selecting non performing players again and again and again...
 
Too small a sample size. Should be given a longer run given the fragility of our upper and middle order
 
Saj said:
Your thoughts on whether Fawad Alam has done enough to keep his place in the Pakistan Test side?

He showed some courage in Pakistan's first innings at Southampton in the 3rd Test after the duck upon his recall.

Question marks over his stance and whether he is over the hill. Whilst others feel he is still good enough.
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No, But he didn't get enough of a chance though. He should be given a proper chance, rather than Asad Shafiq (who got one of the longest uninterpreted stretch of Test matches ). However with Azhar Ali and Misbah, Asad Shafiq will continue to enjoy invincibility.

Only hope is the new Chief Selector removing or resting Asad Shafiq.
However the main problem is lack of test match cricket. Which means Fawad Alam has to play a career launching innings in the next couple of chances he gets (if he gets them) . This lack of test matches means Pakistan will always be a very inexperienced side, where experienced players have a sort of automatic immunity, and new players will not get a decent run.
 
Saj said:
Your thoughts on whether Fawad Alam has done enough to keep his place in the Pakistan Test side?

He showed some courage in Pakistan's first innings at Southampton in the 3rd Test after the duck upon his recall.

Question marks over his stance and whether he is over the hill. Whilst others feel he is still good enough.
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He had scores of:

0
21
0 not out.

So 21 runs in 3 innings at an average of 10.50.

If he was under 30 that would see him dropped for years. But in Pakistan is you are over 33, those numbers qualify you to be selected for years to come!
 
Enough ? he did nothing. Feel bad for him, he was not picked when he deserved it but now its too late for him . Batsman with awkward stance like his make some runs when they are very young with good reflexes and do not last long------ with the exception of Chanderpaul.
 
Sadly because of his age he needed a barnstorming series to secure his spot. He didn't exactly get the chance to show what he could do, but given his meagre returns i don't think anyone could complain if he was dropped from the side now.
 
Theres not enough evidence for now to suggest whether he should be dropped or retained. He needs to get some more time. At least 2 more series before we make any judgement call. The worst thing would be to drop him now after 2 tests out of which 1 was washed out.
 
A brilliant hundred today vs New Zealand 'A' - great news for Pakistan ahead of 2-match Test series
 
hitthestump said:
Sadly because of his age he needed a barnstorming series to secure his spot. He didn't exactly get the chance to show what he could do, but given his meagre returns i don't think anyone could complain if he was dropped from the side now.
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Yes, I could most certainly complain.
 
proud_pakistani said:
Theres not enough evidence for now to suggest whether he should be dropped or retained. He needs to get some more time. At least 2 more series before we make any judgement call. The worst thing would be to drop him now after 2 tests out of which 1 was washed out.
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He meets all the criteria for a Misbah selection. 33 34 year old domestic veterans are right up his alley. Because youngsters are too mainstream
 
waleed88 said:
He meets all the criteria for a Misbah selection. 33 34 year old domestic veterans are right up his alley. Because youngsters are too mainstream
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Exactly, brought in well past his prime years. When we should be developing youngsters, we're picking mid thirty players who are nearer forty due to age fudging.
 
hitthestump said:
Thanks for the quote Captain Hindsight.
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Actually I have backed him for about 10 years. So... no thanks to you for the premature decision to drop a guy who has merited selection for 10 years from the side after 1 and a half poor tests, captain jump-the-gun.
 
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waleed88 said:
He meets all the criteria for a Misbah selection. 33 34 year old domestic veterans are right up his alley. Because youngsters are too mainstream
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I'm a little more okay with a 33-35 year olds in the Test team if they're playing younger players in ODIs and T20s. Although even the Test team could do with the likes of Abid Ali at a minimum
 
coy0607 said:
I'm a little more okay with a 33-35 year olds in the Test team if they're playing younger players in ODIs and T20s. Although even the Test team could do with the likes of Abid Ali at a minimum
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Yea I feel bad for the guy, largely ignored in his 20's when he was selectable, now because of media hue and cry and pressure he gets selected after 10 years with a coach who fancies older players because they remind them of him.
 
He will get these two tests for sure, but he needs to replicate his form in the recent scratch match and get a big score in the series.

I won't bet against him playing test cricket for a year or two. Shame that Misbah saw fit to persist with Asad Shafiq during Fawad's peak years.
 
do you guys realize Fawad Alam still has not gotten a home test to feast on.

Sri Lanka
NZ
England
NZ

Super unfair, he is being setup to fail. Imagine if he got to feast on the flat pattas of UAE.
 
Kroll said:
Exactly, brought in well past his prime years. When we should be developing youngsters, we're picking mid thirty players who are nearer forty due to age fudging.
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What should matter is a person’s fitness and ability to see the ball which is what Fawad is still able to do. Tendulkar played in his 40s, Hafeez is still performing, Malik is still playing, Dravid played late as did Misbah and Younis then what’s stopping Fawad?

Is Fawad not able to run?
Can he not bowl?
Is he out of shape?
Is he not scoring runs?
 
Kroll said:
Exactly, brought in well past his prime years. When we should be developing youngsters, we're picking mid thirty players who are nearer forty due to age fudging.
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Develop the youngesters in the shaheens not in the main squad fawad deserves his chance
 
Shoaibbtt said:
What should matter is a person’s fitness and ability to see the ball which is what Fawad is still able to do. Tendulkar played in his 40s, Hafeez is still performing, Malik is still playing, Dravid played late as did Misbah and Younis then what’s stopping Fawad?

Is Fawad not able to run?
Can he not bowl?
Is he out of shape?
Is he not scoring runs?
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exactly i dont get the hate these 30 year olds get this should not be the criteria on selection
 
Kroll said:
He isn't going to do anything. The vultures and knives will be out - just wait and watch.
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Thats fine but whats the point him being in the squad if he isnt going to play.has he been given a reasonable chance if no then he should be given a chance.
 
Last Monetarist said:
He will get these two tests for sure, but he needs to replicate his form in the recent scratch match and get a big score in the series.

I won't bet against him playing test cricket for a year or two. Shame that Misbah saw fit to persist with Asad Shafiq during Fawad's peak years.
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Misbah has destroyed many young careers when he was the captain. No proper run were given.
And those youngsters will be the scapegoats of any series loss or a poor show. Zero consistency in selection.
 
asifp said:
do you guys realize Fawad Alam still has not gotten a home test to feast on.

Sri Lanka
NZ
England
NZ

Super unfair, he is being setup to fail. Imagine if he got to feast on the flat pattas of UAE.
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He will get his chance against South Africa.
 
Hopefully yes and hopefully he scores runs.
He's always been an underdog and everyone likes a guy doing well against the odds.

Haris will probably bat at 4 and Fawad at 5.
 
shamaan said:
No he must get his chance against new zealand and the south africa tour
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Try reading with a little more attention. OP was talking about home series. Also I literally wrote he will get his chance against South Africa so why are you repeating what I already said.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Hopefully yes and hopefully he scores runs.
He's always been an underdog and everyone likes a guy doing well against the odds.

Haris will probably bat at 4 and Fawad at 5.
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I think that this is the reason i want to tune in, Fawad seems as if he's on a mission to prove his worth and he was quite angry in a recent post-match QeA interview with a journalist that suggested he's only domestic material. He's started well in the tour match and inshAllah i hope he nails it in NZ.
 
Fawad is in that familiar situation that he was in about 10 years ago, that infamous test match in NZ where he didn't perform and was dumped subsequently afterwards. Maybe he is out to prove himself and wants to do well here. He has also spoken very highly of YK in the past. He was the one who gave him confidence to come up as an opener and he scored a century on debut. I think the situation is ideal for someone like fawad to step up to the mantle and make his presence felt.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Try reading with a little more attention. OP was talking about home series. Also I literally wrote he will get his chance against South Africa so why are you repeating what I already said.
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You said he will get his chance against south Africa. I am saying he should be played against new zealand and south africa so yeah the way series and the home series
 
With Shadab also out now (assuming I got that info right), the XI is most likely gonna be:

Shan, Abid, Azhar, Haris, Fawad, Imran, Rizwan(c)(wk), Faheem, Shaheen, Sohail/Yasir, Abbas.
 
TeamPak95 said:
With Shadab also out now (assuming I got that info right), the XI is most likely gonna be:

Shan, Abid, Azhar, Haris, Fawad, Imran, Rizwan(c)(wk), Faheem, Shaheen, Sohail/Yasir, Abbas.
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Yea....I wouldn't count on both Imran and Haris to be selected. I reckon management know of an injury Haris has and they will most likely play Imran in his position. They'll include Yasir Shah and go with their regular seamers in Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas with Faheem playing second fiddle.
 
shamaan said:
Come on fawad prove all the doubters wrong
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I stayed up too late just following his innings in the practise game and have to say it was worth it lol. I'm on his side and looks as if he's on a mission to say i ain't no domestic player after kicking off with a journalist during the first round of the QeA tournament. InshAllah Fawad's best years are ahead of him, my dua is that he makes runs and proves so many people wrong. I reckon play him at no. 5 (his optimum position) and if he sees out the new ball he'll cash in. If he follows the same approach in the practise game with tiring the bowlers out i think he will succeed. Only time will tell but i'm excited nonetheless.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Yea....I wouldn't count on both Imran and Haris to be selected. I reckon management know of an injury Haris has and they will most likely play Imran in his position. They'll include Yasir Shah and go with their regular seamers in Shaheen, Naseem and Abbas with Faheem playing second fiddle.
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Naseem's name isn't in the squad for the first test but played the Shaheens game, so that's kinda confusing. I'm gonna assume he won't play the first test. Regarding Haris, yeah he might not play as well due to his fitness history so there's a good chance for that. If that's the case then Sohail and Yasir would both make the XI, with Imran taking Haris's spot.

Shan, Abid, Azhar, Imran, Fawad, Rizwan, Faheem, Sohail, Shaheen, Yasir, Abbas.

I hope Haris is healthy though because if the above XI takes field in the 1st test, from Faheem and onward is a potentially long tail.
 
TeamPak95 said:
Naseem's name isn't in the squad for the first test but played the Shaheens game, so that's kinda confusing. I'm gonna assume he won't play the first test. Regarding Haris, yeah he might not play as well due to his fitness history so there's a good chance for that. If that's the case then Sohail and Yasir would both make the XI, with Imran taking Haris's spot.

Shan, Abid, Azhar, Imran, Fawad, Rizwan, Faheem, Sohail, Shaheen, Yasir, Abbas.

I hope Haris is healthy though because if the above XI takes field in the 1st test, from Faheem and onward is a potentially long tail.
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The whole team's a bunch of tailenders.
 
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