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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Has Fawad Alam done enough to keep his place in the Test side?

Crucially, he's scored first innings runs this time under tough conditions. No stats padding in the second innings this time around.
 
Hey guys, aren't we all glad that we gave Asad Shafiq the longest run of any test batsman in Pakistan's history?

What a travesty that Fawad was left to rot in FC while that happened.
 
Brilliant! But these runs are so very bittersweet... we have missed out on years and years of Fawad while picking far inferior players in the team. Its absolutely tragic. And make no mistake, this is a fawad who is already past his peak of a few years ago... and yet he still succeeds.
 
What a waste of career!!! Could have been easily highest run scorer for Pakistan. This guy is a true fighter!!!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fawad Alam is the first ever Pakistan batsman to convert each of his first three Test 50s into a century. His first 100 came in 2009 against Sri Lanka. 11 years later he scored 102 against New Zealand and today he scored his third Test hundred <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://t.co/F7GTNAuywN">pic.twitter.com/F7GTNAuywN</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1354447181600743429?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Great stat to have.
 
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I owe him an apology because I didn't think this technique would work in International cricket, Great innings by Fawad. He showed everything that Asad Shafiq never under pressure.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Shabash oy shera!

Hang your heads in shame PCB for denying this man a career. I still remember back to the days when he was part of the world cup winning U-21 team. Just goes to show batting is a lot more than just style and big hitting.
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Exactly it just shows you that it isnt all about technique but confidence in the technique they use. Great knock not many pupil on this thread backed him :)
 
top knock hope he keeps performing grity knock under preesure once again.all the haters are now silent :)
 
Shafi said:
What a waste of career!!! Could have been easily highest run scorer for Pakistan. This guy is a true fighter!!!
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The way he went about his business even after scoring bucks of runs and not crying is huge credit to him
 
103* today in practice game at GSL in the Test players camp for tour of Zimbabwe.
 
Lovely positive stuff from Fawad vs Zimbabwe - hope he goes and gets a big one in this innings.
 
Regardless of who the opposition is and the quality of the bowling, Pakistan were in a spot of bother after losing Azhar and Babar on consecutive deliveries. Fawad has been doing a good job, not just now but since the New Zealand series he has been putting a price on his wicket.

Good stuff
 
He will score heavily against teams like Zimbabwe 99 out of 100 times thanks to his temperament and grit.

But we saw in England and New Zealand and also against South Africa that his FC average of 56, accumulated against minnow level bowling, is misleading because he is at best a 35-40 averaging batsman against quality Test attacks.

At 35, I am not sure if he is a worthy investment especially when it is clear that he is not the same league as previous Pakistani Test heavyweights in the recent past such as Younis, Yousuf and Inzamam.

Pakistan is in dire need need of a 50+ averaging Test batsman. Babar, Fawad and Azhar do not have that calibre. Same is the case with Haris, who also doesn’t have the fitness.
 
Rana said:
Regardless of who the opposition is and the quality of the bowling, Pakistan were in a spot of bother after losing Azhar and Babar on consecutive deliveries. Fawad has been doing a good job, not just now but since the New Zealand series he has been putting a price on his wicket.

Good stuff
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Exactly, people need to appreciate the trouble you are in and then going on to playing good attacking cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
He will score heavily against teams like Zimbabwe 99 out of 100 times thanks to his temperament and grit.

But we saw in England and New Zealand and also against South Africa that his FC average of 56, accumulated against minnow level bowling, is misleading because he is at best a 35-40 averaging batsman against quality Test attacks.

At 35, I am not sure if he is a worthy investment especially when it is clear that he is not the same league as previous Pakistani Test heavyweights in the recent past such as Younis, Yousuf and Inzamam.

Pakistan is in dire need need of a 50+ averaging Test batsman. Babar, Fawad and Azhar do not have that calibre. Same is the case with Haris, who also doesn’t have the fitness.
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Does anyone care, or has anyone demanded that Fawad should be of the same caliber of Inzimam, Yousuf and Younis? Who is the 25 year old in the Pakistani domestic set up who is ready to take over instead of Fawad. Let’s here it from you
 
Rana said:
Does anyone care, or has anyone demanded that Fawad should be of the same caliber of Inzimam, Yousuf and Younis? Who is the 25 year old in the Pakistani domestic set up who is ready to take over instead of Fawad. Let’s here it from you
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This series should have been an opportunity to give someone like Saud Shakeel a chance who averages close to 50 in FC cricket. If you are not going to try what he is worth in a club level cricket series like this, when will you give him a chance?

Fawad can score a 300 here and it make his fans happy and boost his stats but it will do nothing for Pakistan cricket because we already know the merits and demerits of Fawad.

It also shows the mentality of Fawad who will probably be doing that stupid Ertugrul dance after his hundred, when a 35 year old with 12k FC run @ 56 should not even be playing in this club cricket series.

As a country we have such lack of faith and belief that we are scared of trying out the likes of Imam, Ghulam, Saud, Rohail etc. against Zimbabwe because we are afraid that it is going to backfire and we will end up bottling the game.

The likes of Babar, Azhar, Fawad and Rizwan had no business playing in this series.
 
Rana said:
Does anyone care, or has anyone demanded that Fawad should be of the same caliber of Inzimam, Yousuf and Younis? Who is the 25 year old in the Pakistani domestic set up who is ready to take over instead of Fawad. Let’s here it from you
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When Mamoon is silenced he doesn’t have an answer to anything. All this guy does is have personal problems with players. Give people time is my medicine and don’t ever use age as an excuse to drop someone or think they aren’t good enough.

Just be happy for others and say congrats when you should. No point moaning all the time.
 
Mamoon said:
This series should have been an opportunity to give someone like Saud Shakeel a chance who averages close to 50 in FC cricket. If you are not going to try what he is worth in a club level cricket series like this, when will you give him a chance?

Fawad can score a 300 here and it make his fans happy and boost his stats but it will do nothing for Pakistan cricket because we already know the merits and demerits of Fawad.

It also shows the mentality of Fawad who will probably be doing that stupid Ertugrul dance after his hundred, when a 35 year old with 12k FC run @ 56 should not even be playing in this club cricket series.

As a country we have such lack of faith and belief that we are scared of trying out the likes of Imam, Ghulam, Saud, Rohail etc. against Zimbabwe because we are afraid that it is going to backfire and we will end up bottling the game.

The likes of Babar, Azhar, Fawad and Rizwan had no business playing in this series.
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Precisely. I didn't know the merits of Saud Shakeel but your point summarises my thoughts on this test series and Pakistan's approach towards it.
 
Mamoon said:
This series should have been an opportunity to give someone like Saud Shakeel a chance who averages close to 50 in FC cricket. If you are not going to try what he is worth in a club level cricket series like this, when will you give him a chance?

Fawad can score a 300 here and it make his fans happy and boost his stats but it will do nothing for Pakistan cricket because we already know the merits and demerits of Fawad.

It also shows the mentality of Fawad who will probably be doing that stupid Ertugrul dance after his hundred, when a 35 year old with 12k FC run @ 56 should not even be playing in this club cricket series.

As a country we have such lack of faith and belief that we are scared of trying out the likes of Imam, Ghulam, Saud, Rohail etc. against Zimbabwe because we are afraid that it is going to backfire and we will end up bottling the game.

The likes of Babar, Azhar, Fawad and Rizwan had no business playing in this series.
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Seems like Misbah is still scarred from the 2013 which happened under your posterboy of administrative efficiency Najam Sethi.

The same man responsible for agreeing to this FTP where Pakistan play a scant amount of Test cricket meaning Pakistan always go full strength every series.
 
Markhor said:
Seems like Misbah is still scarred from the 2013 which happened under your posterboy of administrative efficiency Najam Sethi.

The same man responsible for agreeing to this FTP where Pakistan play a scant amount of Test cricket meaning Pakistan always go full strength every series.
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This.

Let’s say you rest Azhar Ali for a series in order to develop a younger option. Well it could mean Azhar Ali plays no international cricket that year where he was rested.
 
Rana said:
This.

Let’s say you rest Azhar Ali for a series in order to develop a younger option. Well it could mean Azhar Ali plays no international cricket that year where he was rested.
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That will be ridiculous because Pakistani test cricket needs big figures carrying players in current generation. Batsmen like AA with ~45 average scoring close to 7K test runs need to be given more chances so that they can put some big numbers in the stats. May be AA will end his career at 7.5-8K at ~45 means you have produced a Pakistani batting great. It gives younger generation some incentive or someone to look to that if AA can reach these numbers in the darkest most era of Pakistani cricket so can we.

Same goes for bowling. I want Shaheen, Hassan to cross 200 wickets in both ODIs and tests. May be Abbas too if he redeems himself.

India played a mediocre bowler like Ishant sharma and let him finish 200 wickets with an average of like 34. In Pakistan we retire Junaid Khan with an average of 29. We never nurture our talent.
 
At the age of 35 he looks to be one of the best players of spin in the country and he knows how to get 100s. Whist he is performing, he will keep his place.

Don't think he is 50 averaging player. But can certainly average around 40. Only problem is, him.,Azhar,and Abid will need replacing soon so it means we will need 3 new players to adapt to test cricket.

Misbah and Mohammed Wasim don't seem to have a clue how to build a side.
 
Fawad is the best batsman in this team. He his the first name on the team sheet for test cricket. He is quality AND PROVEN PERFORMANCE IN DOMESTIC of 55+ FC average vs 42 for Babar.
 
MesonK said:
That will be ridiculous because Pakistani test cricket needs big figures carrying players in current generation. Batsmen like AA with ~45 average scoring close to 7K test runs need to be given more chances so that they can put some big numbers in the stats. May be AA will end his career at 7.5-8K at ~45 means you have produced a Pakistani batting great. It gives younger generation some incentive or someone to look to that if AA can reach these numbers in the darkest most era of Pakistani cricket so can we.

Same goes for bowling. I want Shaheen, Hassan to cross 200 wickets in both ODIs and tests. May be Abbas too if he redeems himself.

India played a mediocre bowler like Ishant sharma and let him finish 200 wickets with an average of like 34. In Pakistan we retire Junaid Khan with an average of 29. We never nurture our talent.
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Yup. Pakistan has become obsessed with "young pace sensations" and never let any bowler settle. We also keep fast-tracking fast bowlers w/o letting them develop in FCs and then discard them after they fail. Given the fast bowling raw talent that Pakistan produces, its unbelievable that we don't have a single bowler who has taken 200+ wickets since Waqar in 90s.
Junaid, Amir, Asif all wasted or wasted themselves lol. Umer Gul? Peaks of Waqas, Tabish, and Sohail khan were also wasted while we were playing kids like Musa, Shaheen and Naseem.
 
Sunzi said:
Precisely. I didn't know the merits of Saud Shakeel but your point summarises my thoughts on this test series and Pakistan's approach towards it.
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Am sure pretty much 70 percent of pak fans would say saud deserves to play in the starting xi
 
MesonK said:
That will be ridiculous because Pakistani test cricket needs big figures carrying players in current generation. Batsmen like AA with ~45 average scoring close to 7K test runs need to be given more chances so that they can put some big numbers in the stats. May be AA will end his career at 7.5-8K at ~45 means you have produced a Pakistani batting great. It gives younger generation some incentive or someone to look to that if AA can reach these numbers in the darkest most era of Pakistani cricket so can we.

Same goes for bowling. I want Shaheen, Hassan to cross 200 wickets in both ODIs and tests. May be Abbas too if he redeems himself.

India played a mediocre bowler like Ishant sharma and let him finish 200 wickets with an average of like 34. In Pakistan we retire Junaid Khan with an average of 29. We never nurture our talent.
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If shaheen stays fit he will get 350 wickets and more.
 
Hasan123 said:
At the age of 35 he looks to be one of the best players of spin in the country and he knows how to get 100s. Whist he is performing, he will keep his place.

Don't think he is 50 averaging player. But can certainly average around 40. Only problem is, him.,Azhar,and Abid will need replacing soon so it means we will need 3 new players to adapt to test cricket.

Misbah and Mohammed Wasim don't seem to have a clue how to build a side.
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I genuinely believe with Fawad's fitness he can last till 42 i.e. 7 years. We keep saying how long these boys will last but i've never ever seen Fawad out of shape.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I genuinely believe with Fawad's fitness he can last till 42 i.e. 7 years. We keep saying how long these boys will last but i've never ever seen Fawad out of shape.
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Most players can play to 42 but it's can they play to the level required? I don't see it personally.
 
Fawad has Misbah level fitness. Surely he can play for atleast 4 more years and nurture Imam ,Saud , abdullah ,Kamran or any young upcoming batsmen who can make it big in future.
 
Hasan123 said:
There will be a natural age decline. Let's take it 1 series at a time.
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If Ross Taylor is still out there in his 40s (if i'm not mistaken) then why not Fawad and Azhar. I mean look at Misbah who retired late as did Tendulkar. Age is a funny thing sometimes you mature like a fine wine (not that i've drunk wine but you get my point) or just completely loose your hand eye coordination and fitness etc. Keep going i say about Faadi and never let your age hold you back.

He ran a lot of 3's today as well not to mention, he puts a lot of young guys to shame with his fitness.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
If Ross Taylor is still out there in his 40s (if i'm not mistaken) then why not Fawad and Azhar. I mean look at Misbah who retired late as did Tendulkar. Age is a funny thing sometimes you mature like a fine wine (not that i've drunk wine but you get my point) or just completely loose your hand eye coordination and fitness etc. Keep going i say about Faadi and never let your age hold you back.

He ran a lot of 3's today as well not to mention, he puts a lot of young guys to shame with his fitness.
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Ross Taylor is 37 and on the decline
 
Age is not just a number. You don’t see 50 year olds playing at the highest level.

Age-related decline is a fact, but it varies from person to person.

But maybe Fawad Alam is already in decline. He has failed in half of his innings, he averaged 10 in England, playing only one good (but useless) innings in NZ in 2 Tests and failed in the Rawalpindi Test vs South Africa.

He is averaging in the mid 30s against quality attacks post comeback.

He is either not that good to begin with and has an inflated FC average of 56 or he is in decline.
 
Mamoon said:
Age is not just a number. You don’t see 50 year olds playing at the highest level.

Age-related decline is a fact, but it varies from person to person.

But maybe Fawad Alam is already in decline. He has failed in half of his innings, he averaged 10 in England, playing only one good (but useless) innings in NZ in 2 Tests and failed in the Rawalpindi Test vs South Africa.

He is averaging in the mid 30s against quality attacks post comeback.

He is either not that good to begin with and has an inflated FC average of 56 or he is in decline.
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He's also hitting a hundred in every series since the England tour. No one else in the team is doing that
 
Id rather have a 35 yr old playing whos hitting centuries every third test

The day he stops doing that and starts avging poorly chuck him out however at the moment hes arguably the best performing test batsman in the team

On what basis should be ousted? The fact hes 35?

Theres some ppers that just like to have a moan for the sake of it
 
Mamoon said:
Age is not just a number. You don’t see 50 year olds playing at the highest level.

Age-related decline is a fact, but it varies from person to person.

But maybe Fawad Alam is already in decline. He has failed in half of his innings, he averaged 10 in England, playing only one good (but useless) innings in NZ in 2 Tests and failed in the Rawalpindi Test vs South Africa.

He is averaging in the mid 30s against quality attacks post comeback.

He is either not that good to begin with and has an inflated FC average of 56 or he is in decline.
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He's still one of the few performing batsmen in our horrendous batting lineup. I do agree with you he has not delivered with the expectations and hype that he came with after such a prolific FC career; that's the fault of the selectors who should have had him picked 2013/14 onwards and quiet possibly missed his prime.
Our expectations need to be lowered knowing how fragile this batting lineup would be with someone else in palce of him.
 
Thus far, he's been performing to type of an older batsman that is on the verge of losing his reflexes. Three centuries, nothing much else between. Younis and Misbah were similar once they had crossed the age of 37. A batsman with slower reflexes will always need longer to get his eye in at the crease, but once set experience and muscle memory invariably allows one to score runs and convert a big score.

Unfortunately, Pakistan don't play enough tests for Fawad to have a substantial career remaining.
 
Zaz said:
Id rather have a 35 yr old playing whos hitting centuries every third test

The day he stops doing that and starts avging poorly chuck him out however at the moment hes arguably the best performing test batsman in the team

On what basis should be ousted? The fact hes 35?

Theres some ppers that just like to have a moan for the sake of it
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The armchair coaches going on about Fawad's age related decline...have they seen our other batsmen supposedly in their prime years ?

Babar hasn't scored a Test century of note against decent opposition for a while, the openers are awful and you can't rely on keeper batsmen to do the bulk of your scoring.

But yes let's have a pop at the only dude currently scoring hundreds consistently. If you want to dump an aged batsman - it's Azhar y'all ought to look at.
 
Markhor said:
The armchair coaches going on about Fawad's age related decline...have they seen our other batsmen supposedly in their prime years ?

Babar hasn't scored a Test century of note against decent opposition for a while, the openers are awful and you can't rely on keeper batsmen to do the bulk of your scoring.

But yes let's have a pop at the only dude currently scoring hundreds consistently. If you want to dump an aged batsman - it's Azhar y'all ought to look at.
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lol totally aligned! Fawad’s actually the best test batsman in Pakistan currently
 
Post peak Fawad has shown that the investment in Asad Shafiq was the wrong one. A lot of us suspected it but Fawad post peak has proven it-what if.....
 
Asad Shafiq was the worse no6 we could have ever played... Fawad over him could have saved us some games if not winning them... such a shame we let Asad Shafiq play this much... so much shame

Fawad will continue to score and cry babies can cry how much they want.....he has good 18months in him ...
 
Rellu_Katta said:
Asad Shafiq was the worse no6 we could have ever played... Fawad over him could have saved us some games if not winning them... such a shame we let Asad Shafiq play this much... so much shame

Fawad will continue to score and cry babies can cry how much they want.....he has good 18months in him ...
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Who says Fawad has 18 months? Some people peak when they are older like Misbah and Tendulkar just got better with age so why not Fawad? Who says Fawad can’t play till he’s 42.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Who says Fawad has 18 months? Some people peak when they are older like Misbah and Tendulkar just got better with age so why not Fawad? Who says Fawad can’t play till he’s 42.
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just taking a safe guest.. not everyone is misbah or younas or sachin... but u never know.. Fawad is an inspiration and has chosen a hard route... really would want him to play and prove and score till 42
 
Rellu_Katta said:
just taking a safe guest.. not everyone is misbah or younas or sachin... but u never know.. Fawad is an inspiration and has chosen a hard route... really would want him to play and prove and score till 42
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With the type of fitness he has my dua is that he makes it to that age and something tells me he could become captain.
 
Fawad has proven he knows how to score big runs and that you you have to value your FC system no matter how broken it is
 
As long as he keeps scoring, I won't mind if he bats while doing a headstand. Just needs to get a bit more consistent in between his hundreds. But he instills a lot of confidence in the middle when he is out there. Looks like other batters seem quite calm while batting with him. His 100 against SA was pretty much a certainty the moment he faced his first delivery. He's racked up thousands of runs in that ground, there was no way he was letting go of the opportunity during the 1st test vs SA.

He looks quite quick and agile for his age. As long he can tirelessly be out in the middle taking twos and threes, i don't see any problem.

People only use Misbah's example that he played in his 40s, but forget that Younis is actually (according to Youns hmself) of similar age as Misbah's maybe even a year older. Chanderpaul also kept playing till 40. with good success. Mike Hussey at 38 and Kallis at 38 were just as good as they were in their early 30s. They just chose to leave international cricket at that age cause they might have felt they had played for far loo long.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
As long as he keeps scoring, I won't mind if he bats while doing a headstand. Just needs to get a bit more consistent in between his hundreds. But he instills a lot of confidence in the middle when he is out there. Looks like other batters seem quite calm while batting with him. His 100 against SA was pretty much a certainty the moment he faced his first delivery. He's racked up thousands of runs in that ground, there was no way he was letting go of the opportunity during the 1st test vs SA.

He looks quite quick and agile for his age. As long he can tirelessly be out in the middle taking twos and threes, i don't see any problem.

People only use Misbah's example that he played in his 40s, but forget that Younis is actually (according to Youns hmself) of similar age as Misbah's maybe even a year older. Chanderpaul also kept playing till 40. with good success. Mike Hussey at 38 and Kallis at 38 were just as good as they were in their early 30s. They just chose to leave international cricket at that age cause they might have felt they had played for far loo long.
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True, Fawad is extremely fit and probably the second fittest player in our team after Rizwan. I really believe he could serve us for the next 5 years
 
Shoaibbtt said:
With the type of fitness he has my dua is that he makes it to that age and something tells me he could become captain.
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same here in terms of longitivity but making him captain is just not right... for some1 on down of his career, he shld be part of the think tank but def not captain
 
Fawad is going through a good run and hopefully continues. But it does put the scope onto the fact Asad Shafiq has played more games than him. Clearly a wrong investment.

Regardless its good to see Fawad Alam performing and getting an opportunity which many including myself thought had gone from his grasp. It also shows how unnecessary Azhar Ali is to the team now.
 
shiv chanderpaul scored 11000 test runs @50 with a crabby homespun technique like fawads. It is an absolute travesty that 'technique' shafiq was preferred over him for ten years. He provides results i.e. runs, of course he should continue to play in the side.
 
Mamoon said:
He will score heavily against teams like Zimbabwe 99 out of 100 times thanks to his temperament and grit.

But we saw in England and New Zealand and also against South Africa that his FC average of 56, accumulated against minnow level bowling, is misleading because he is at best a 35-40 averaging batsman against quality Test attacks.

At 35, I am not sure if he is a worthy investment especially when it is clear that he is not the same league as previous Pakistani Test heavyweights in the recent past such as Younis, Yousuf and Inzamam.

Pakistan is in dire need need of a 50+ averaging Test batsman. Babar, Fawad and Azhar do not have that calibre. Same is the case with Haris, who also doesn’t have the fitness.
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Lol! What we saw against NZ and SA was a lion. Fawad’s gonna be averaging close to 50 in next 5-10 games. Wait and see.
Your idols, Indian batsmen were bowled out for 150ish in all of the 4 innings in NZ in 2020 lolol
Fawad Alam is probably the only Asian batsmen who was able to tackle the attack of Wagner, Southee, Jamieson and Boult

Walking in for 20/4 va SA, Fawad changed the momentum of the game against Norte, Rabada, Ngidi, Maharaj.

Top, top class cricket
 
Farabi said:
Lol! What we saw against NZ and SA was a lion. Fawad’s gonna be averaging close to 50 in next 5-10 games. Wait and see.
Your idols, Indian batsmen were bowled out for 150ish in all of the 4 innings in NZ in 2020 lolol
Fawad Alam is probably the only Asian batsmen who was able to tackle the attack of Wagner, Southee, Jamieson and Boult

Walking in for 20/4 va SA, Fawad changed the momentum of the game against Norte, Rabada, Ngidi, Maharaj.

Top, top class cricket
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A lion who bottled it when he had the chance to save the first Test and then went completely missing in the second Test.

Indian batsmen failed in their last tour of NZ but the likes of Kohli and Rohit are better all-round batsmen than anyone Pakistan has ever produced let alone Fawad.

Pujara, Rahane and even Vihari and Agarwal are all better batsmen than Fawad.

However, I don’t blame Pakistani fans for getting carried away because our batting standards are extremely low.

I mean a B grade batsman like Babar who averages 42-43 and has only 1 Test ton outside Asia is considered to be the greatest Pakistani batsman ever in the making.

In India, Agarwal scored 200s and 150s against the same South African attack against which Babar was a walking wicket and Fawad produced only one score, that too a baby hundred.

One can only imagine how the fans would react if Pakistani actually produces a batsman of the talents of Tendulkar, Kohli and Rohit. Unfortunately, Pakistan does not have the talent and the cricket culture to produce such players.

In India, you do not get hyped and could have your career terminated even after scoring a 300 in your second Test match, that too against Anderson and Broad.

A Pakistani batsman who achieves that will milk it for the rest of his career and his place will be secure for decades.

Indian batting is a completely different beast. The best Pakistani batsmen are just average by Indian standards and the best Indian batsmen are several notches above the best Pakistani batsmen. It is simply futile to compare our batsmen with India’s.
 
Mamoon said:
A lion who bottled it when he had the chance to save the first Test and then went completely missing in the second Test.

Indian batsmen failed in their last tour of NZ but the likes of Kohli and Rohit are better all-round batsmen than anyone Pakistan has ever produced let alone Fawad.

Pujara, Rahane and even Vihari and Agarwal are all better batsmen than Fawad.

However, I don’t blame Pakistani fans for getting carried away because our batting standards are extremely low.

I mean a B grade batsman like Babar who averages 42-43 and has only 1 Test ton outside Asia is considered to be the greatest Pakistani batsman ever in the making.

In India, Agarwal scored 200s and 150s against the same South African attack against which Babar was a walking wicket and Fawad produced only one score, that too a baby hundred.

One can only imagine how the fans would react if Pakistani actually produces a batsman of the talents of Tendulkar, Kohli and Rohit. Unfortunately, Pakistan does not have the talent and the cricket culture to produce such players.

In India, you do not get hyped and could have your career terminated even after scoring a 300 in your second Test match, that too against Anderson and Broad.

A Pakistani batsman who achieves that will milk it for the rest of his career and his place will be secure for decades.

Indian batting is a completely different beast. The best Pakistani batsmen are just average by Indian standards and the best Indian batsmen are several notches above the best Pakistani batsmen. It is simply futile to compare our batsmen with India’s.
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Then why did Indian batting fail against NZ pace battery?

You can’t compare India’s performance against SA on Indian wickets with Pakistani wickets. Pakistani wickets in Karachi and Peshawar actually do support fast bowling unlike Indian tank turners.

Most great test batsmen raise their average to 50+ after 35-50 tests. The average in test cricket is non-linear.
Inzi, Sachin, Kohli, Younus, Kane Williamson, who averaged 50+ at the end of their careers. Actually all averaged high 30, low 40s in their first 35-40 tests. It’s second half of the career where they raised their averages.
At 20-25 tests, Babar is at par.
Javed Miandad is a notable exception who was averaging 50+ even before 35 tests.
 
Farabi said:
Then why did Indian batting fail against NZ pace battery?

You can’t compare India’s performance against SA on Indian wickets with Pakistani wickets. Pakistani wickets in Karachi and Peshawar actually do support fast bowling unlike Indian tank turners.

Most great test batsmen raise their average to 50+ after 35-50 tests. The average in test cricket is non-linear.
Inzi, Sachin, Kohli, Younus, Kane Williamson, who averaged 50+ at the end of their careers. Actually all averaged high 30, low 40s in their first 35-40 tests. It’s second half of the career where they raised their averages.
At 20-25 tests, Babar is at par.
Javed Miandad is a notable exception who was averaging 50+ even before 35 tests.
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After 65 innings, Virat Kohli averaged 45. In the next 25 innings, he would raise that to 50 and never looked back. After 65 innings, Kane Williamson averaged 39. 26 innings later, the average crossed 50.
 
A grade batsman Agarwal averages under 30 away including Auz, NZ, and the WI.
Vihari averages under 25 in Eng, Aus, NZ
Rahane actually averages 42 in-line with Azhar Ali.
 
Fawad looked uncomfortable against short bowling and that was the plan according to Zim player interview this morning.
 
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