[VIDEOS] Why is Nathan Lyon not as respected as his figures warrant?

[Slog]

Discuss. Often he is seen as the weak links and one to be attacked but ends up taking more wickets.

And this has been going almost a decade now

 

[MenInG]

Discuss. Often he is seen as the weak links and one to be attacked but ends up taking more wickets.

And this has been going almost a decade now

Think this used to be a few years back, now he is well respected.

 

[Varun]

Conversely, guys like Ashwin keep getting prattled out as the so-called "Best spinner going around in world cricket today."

It's a joke. Nathan Lyon is up there bar none - he's done it home and away.

 

[rhony]

Nathan Lyon is currently the best spinner in the world with Yasir Shah just behind. He's not underrated anymore. Performing day in and day out on those pitches against supposedly the best batsmen against spin is no joke.

 

[Slog]

Nathan Lyon is currently the best spinner in the world with Yasir Shah just behind. He's not underrated anymore. Performing day in and day out on those pitches against supposedly the best batsmen against spin is no joke.

I agree he is. But he isn’t recognised as such. For example in Australia he is considered less important than the pace trio even though he consistently outperforms then not just abroad but also in Australia. But all you hear about is the three pacers being hyped before every series

 

[Buffet]

I don't think Lyon is not recognized as the one of the best bowlers now. He used to disappoint 5 years ago where he didn't do much on 4th inning on crumbling pitches. He is doing much better now.

 

[Swashbuckler]

He has come on his own only in the last 2 years, before that he wasn't exactly great and had a few horror years. Slowly he is earning respect and who knows by the time he retires he will get his due, kinda like Herath. Who knew about Herath 8 years ago?

 

[battler]

He wasn't as good before. Best off-spinner in the world right now and much better than the over-hyped Ashwin.

 

[Slog]

He wasn't as good before. Best off-spinner in the world right now and much better than the over-hyped Ashwin.

Yea but ask 10 people, 9 will still say Ashwin is the better spinner and more dangerous whereas Lyon is a simple bowler who has no mystery or significant threat about him

By almost everyone he is considered the 4th biggest threat in the Aussie attack right now but all data suggests that asides from maybe Starc he has been a better performer than the rest everywhere

 

[warcry]

best spinner in the world.
bowled well without any support against us.

he is not as respected as his figures warrant because he is an off spinner. if he had the same figures, but was a leg spinner, we would not be having this conversation.

australians tend to prefer watching fast bowling and leg spinners. lyon is overshadowed by starc,hazlewood,cummins and the focus is more on them because they bowl fast.

 

[cricketindiafan]

He’s been phenomenal in last 2 years and his reputation has only got better.

One reason for lack of recognition could be lack of MoM and MOS awards - has 4 MoM and one MoS (vs BD). For comparison, Ashwin has 7 MoMs and 7 MoS and Yasir has 4 MoMs and 5 MoS

 

[battler]

Yea but ask 10 people, 9 will still say Ashwin is the better spinner and more dangerous whereas Lyon is a simple bowler who has no mystery or significant threat about him

By almost everyone he is considered the 4th biggest threat in the Aussie attack right now but all data suggests that asides from maybe Starc he has been a better performer than the rest everywhere

First impression usually makes a really heavy impression on most fans. Only the very keen followers tend to change opinion plus the average cricket fan confuses formats as well, best case in point Rohit Sharma.
I agree this series he's been India's biggest threat followed by Cummins. Starc I feel isn't much of a threat if he isn't bowling to the tail.

 

[Reyansh2017]

Ashwin is a pie chucker in front of him.

He is relentless and the amount of revs on the ball is far greater than ashwin.

He is in the graeme swann category of very good bowler sticking to off and outside offstump line.

Our ashwin sticks to middle and leg line normally or leg stump darts if he is not taking wickets.

 

[Hasan123]

Best test spinner in the world for me. Think he is slowly getting the recognition he deserves.

 

[The Viper]

Very impressive. Think if he played the majority of his games he would have a much better average. Not a great average in UAE though.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Lyon has been more consistent in the last 3 years and does deserve the credit but doesn't get it much at home or away despite doing what he does.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

As a Pakistani fan, I expected him to wreck havoc in UAE. It was a downer.

He is a match winner tho. One of the best around these days. Flawless action, doesn't lose the north when he's hit, plans and captures his victims. Ideal test spinner

 

[Savak]

He has massively improved in the last 3-4 years. The Australians have also backed him and consistently played him which must have helped his confidence. For a plain off spinner, I enjoy how much flight and turn he gets on the ball.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ashwin is a pie chucker in front of him.

He is relentless and the amount of revs on the ball is far greater than ashwin.

He is in the graeme swann category of very good bowler sticking to off and outside offstump line.

Our ashwin sticks to middle and leg line normally or leg stump darts if he is not taking wickets.

Man Ashwin in CT final was a sight to behold leg stump half volleys )

 

[happydavy]

Anyone with 335+ wickets in 82 tests, deserves massive amount of respect and Lyon is getting it now.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Man Ashwin in CT final was a sight to behold leg stump half volleys )

We prefer to remember the Ashwin of 2013 CT final

 

[Shaka81]

He gets a ton of respect..... his nickname is GOAT... what more can he want?!

 

[gazza619]

I think he is peaking now as a bowler. If he continues this form he will gain more respect.

 

[Pete Rose]

I have to say i I have a lot of respect for nathan lyon. Like a lot of folks have noted he is reaching towards the peak in these last two years.
But to be an off-spinner, who doesn't resort to full sleeve bowling, and to bowl in Australia and then to adjust for the subcontinent and then be successful, is very impressive.

 

[Reyansh2017]

Best spinner by a country mile right now in world Cricket

 

[Mamoon]

I have to say i I have a lot of respect for nathan lyon. Like a lot of folks have noted he is reaching towards the peak in these last two years.
But to be an off-spinner, who doesn't resort to full sleeve bowling, and to bowl in Australia and then to adjust for the subcontinent and then be successful, is very impressive.

Well he does, although not for the same reasons as Ajmal and Hafeez.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Ashwin is a pie chucker in front of him.

He is relentless and the amount of revs on the ball is far greater than ashwin.

He is in the graeme swann category of very good bowler sticking to off and outside offstump line.

Our ashwin sticks to middle and leg line normally or leg stump darts if he is not taking wickets.

Lyon being good doesn't mean Ashwin has to be mocked. Even in the first test, Ashwin bowled as well as Lyon did or perhaps even better. If he was fit, we would have been in a much better position to win the 2nd test. He'll still have an impact in the next two tests if fit to play and selected.

 

[Reyansh2017]

Lyon being good doesn't mean Ashwin has to be mocked. Even in the first test, Ashwin bowled as well as Lyon did or perhaps even better. If he was fit, we would have been in a much better position to win the 2nd test. He'll still have an impact in the next two tests if fit to play and selected.

Oh please. His performance is not in the same ball park as lyon in Adelaide test. Its like saying Mitchell starc is equal or as good as bumrah based on stats.

For a supposedly best spinner not looking like taking a wicket the whole day is a disgraceful performance.

He has never given a single note worthy performance in England, South Africa, Australia, nz and i dont think he will in his lifetime.

For God's sake he doesn't have a single five wicket hall after playing so many tests in SENA countries.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Think this used to be a few years back, now he is well respected.

I think the same.

 

[Fahdi]

He wasn't that good before but over the past 3-4 years he has been one of the best in the world. Has outbowled Ashwin in India and Yasir in the UAE. That says everything.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He was not that good earlier in his career. But that 2013 series in India was the watershed moment for him. After that, he has consistently been getting better.
You can also take into account that he was brought in the Test side with very little FC exposure. It was actually BBL where he got noticed first. Michael Clarke used him situationally in first 2-3 years and would hesitate to bring him on when the opposition was dominating their attack.
After that India series, in Ashes 13, he started to gain respect when Pup started throwing him the bowl in tougher situations. I believe he got a 4fer in 3rd Ashes Test with going for less than 3. Before that, it was expected of him to be going for over 3.
John Davison(the former Canadian captain) has been a personal spin mentor for Lyon as well(way before he was employed in the coaching capacity by CA) which Lyon never hesitates to give credit to for his success.

In last few years, he has been getting better with every Test and is now at the level where he commands a lot of respect by every opposition.

 

[rudra]

Lyon is clearly ahead atm bcz he is in the peak of his powers last 2 years.
Whereas ashwin has waned down a bit.

Overall ashwin is still ahead by small margin. Their legacy will be judged after their career is over. Whether they get to 400, 500 or 600 wickets.

 

[wrongun]

He wasn't as good before. Best off-spinner in the world right now and much better than the over-hyped Ashwin.

Pretty much it. He'll tell you himself he had to figure out how to bowl in Asia. He had to get over the mental hurdle of delivering in 4th innings at home. He slowly learnt more about operating at different speeds which lines work best for him.

He was not a freakish talent who emerged to cricket fully formed. He was a guy from the country, playing in 2nd tier below Shield and cutting the grass at As=delaide oval who got a lucky break into the BBL & took his chance in his mid 20s.

He had to learn and learn and get the belief too that he was good enough. The last 2 or 3 years he's become a complete spinner but his first few years he had areas of his game he needed to develop, so quite rightly was seen as a limited or average player back then.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Maybe because of their overall stats

Lyon: 82 tests : 334 wickets @ 31.60
Ashwin: 65 tests : 342 wickets @ 25.43.

Ashwin also has 150 ODI wickets compared to Lyon's 18.

Ashwin has played some T20I's, Lyon has played 2.

Overall stats give an impression of Ashwin having dome much better than Lyon in their careers.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Perception problem.

He is getting his dues slowly.

Mighty fine bowler.

 

[Stewie]

He has recently been acknowledged as a fine bowler by some legends of the game.. he helped beat number one test team who are great players of spin.. he is a very good bowler....

 

[Convict]

Maybe because of their overall stats

Lyon: 82 tests : 334 wickets @ 31.60
Ashwin: 65 tests : 342 wickets @ 25.43.

Ashwin also has 150 ODI wickets compared to Lyon's 18.

Ashwin has played some T20I's, Lyon has played 2.

Overall stats give an impression of Ashwin having dome much better than Lyon in their careers.

Ashwin's stats don't look as good when you consider that he has taken 277 wickets at 22.5 in 45 tests in Asia compared to 65 wickets at 38 from 20 tests outside of Asia.

Lyon on the other hand only has poor figures in South Africa.

 

[happydavy]

Maybe because of their overall stats

Lyon: 82 tests : 334 wickets @ 31.60
Ashwin: 65 tests : 342 wickets @ 25.43.

Ashwin also has 150 ODI wickets compared to Lyon's 18.

Ashwin has played some T20I's, Lyon has played 2.

Overall stats give an impression of Ashwin having dome much better than Lyon in their careers.

That's not a fair comparison simply because on Indian pitches, even if Rohit Sharma is selected as a spinner will end up with 100 wickets in 25 matches @25. Ashwin outside India is a dud and that how frequently he breaks down on overseas trips shows how he just doesn't have it in him to last challenging tours. Lyon on the other hand gets wickets without much help from pitches, and he gets top class players out in a very convincing manner - bowled and caught in slip.

 

[Swashbuckler]

That's not a fair comparison simply because on Indian pitches, even if Rohit Sharma is selected as a spinner will end up with 100 wickets in 25 matches @25. Ashwin outside India is a dud and that how frequently he breaks down on overseas trips shows how he just doesn't have it in him to last challenging tours. Lyon on the other hand gets wickets without much help from pitches, and he gets top class players out in a very convincing manner - bowled and caught in slip.

Lyon averages 31 in India
Herath averages 54 in India
Moeen Ali averages 65 in India

But Ashwin is dud, Rohit Sharma is potentially a great spinner in your universe?

Do you know Bangladesh, WI, Sri Lanka are outside India or do you need basic geography lessons? Last I heard he was MOTS in WI and Lanka (helped us win after 22 years), and the best bowler from both sides in Bangladesh. Averages 32 in England, outbowled Keshav Maharaj in SA and has better numbers in Australia (graveyeard for visiting offies) than Murali, Swann, Ajmal, Harbhajan, Moeen Ali !!!!

 

[Buffet]

Now Lyon has been bowling well this year and got lots of praise. As soon as he was attacked by a newbie Indian , he went totally defensive. Ended with an ordinary stats for 2018.

Lyons stats in 2018

49 wickets: Avg 34+ & SR 75+

That's after bowling well this year. He bowls much better when he is attacking. He needs to improve on that otherwise he will be stuck at the same level. I was shocked to see him having long on in his first few overs of this test. Two cover drives and he had fielders saving boundaries when series was 1-1 and momentum was with Aus. All that in first 10-15 overs of test match.

Hopefully, he bowls with a better mindset in next test and make it 2-2.

 

[BaankeJi]

He is okay. But not awesome. Currently very few players play spin well. He is taking wickets against weak players. That's why he is not rated.

 

[Buffet]

He is okay. But not awesome. Currently very few players play spin well. He is taking wickets against weak players. That's why he is not rated.

With that logic no spinner can be rated in current era.

 

[Hawkeye]

No better spinner in the world right now.

 

[MenInG]

Lyon is an amazing part of the Australian team - but he is lucky to have fast bowlers and batsmen who can take the game into the 4/5th days

 

[MenInG]

5 wickets
- 16th Test five-wicket haul
- 50 Test wickets at Adelaide Oval

What a performer!

 

[MenInG]

Hampshire Cricket can announce it has taken the decision to cancel the contract of overseas player, Nathan Lyon.

The Australian international was due to join the club for a significant part of the 2020 red-ball season, however given the cancellation of all domestic fixtures until 28th May as a result of the current COVID-19 pandemic, it has been mutually agreed that the off-spinner will not join up with the squad this season.

Hampshire Cricket Director of Cricket, Giles White said: “These are obviously very uncertain and challenging times, and it’s clear the issues cricket currently faces will contribute to the way in which counties are able to operate and prepare for this season. As a result of this and following conversations with Nathan and his management, it was mutually agreed that he would no longer join us this season.

“I would like to thank Nathan and his representatives for their complete understanding and agreement and we hope to welcome him to the club next season.”

 

[sweep_shot]

Lyon is the best Aussie spinner of all time after Warne. This guy deserves more credit.

 

[Ab Fan]

Very very good bowler, same as Ashwin and Herath. But will always rate Warne, Murali and Kumble higher among modern era bowlers.

 

[Robert]

Best finger spinner from Australia since.... ever?

He tends to get his wickets early in a series and then lose effect. But that’s fine - he forces wins early, so Australia get ahead in the series and the oppo has to chase.

 

[Robert]

Lyon is the best Aussie spinner of all time after Warne. This guy deserves more credit.

Nah, a lot of leggies were better. Grimmett, O’Reilly, Benaud, MacGill.

 

[Ted123]

Excellent bowler.

 

[Junaids]

There are a few reasons why Lyon is less loved than you’d expect.

He’s an off-spinner who can be very hard to play against, but after a decade of international cricket still often goes missing and averages not just over 30, but almost 32. And only contributes 12 runs per innings with the bat.

And his private life has made him an oddly awkward figure within the national team. The Aussie players’ wives and girlfriends travel with the team not just on tour, but in home series around Australia. The mother of his children was popular with the other WAGS and when their relationship ended, many of them remained friends with her. The fact that his next lady friend had previously been around the team as the partner of another player (who had no problem with this, to be fair) made things even more awkward.

It’s an unusual by-product of having the WAGS around the team that, while Lyon’s private life is completely normal and non-scandalous by local norms, it has made life very awkward on tour for the other players, who find themselves caught between their positive relationship with Lyon and their partners’ divided loyalties.

It’s nothing like the Wayne Bridge / John Terry issue, but it does make things very complicated.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nah, a lot of leggies were better. Grimmett, O’Reilly, Benaud, MacGill.

@Robby, Swann or Lyon, your pick?

 

[Robert]

@Robby, Swann or Lyon, your pick?

Hmmmm.

Swann gave it more of a rip and could beat the bat on both sides because he drifted away from the right handed. He was brilliant against lefty batters.

Lyon beats more batters in the flight because he gets overspin and it drops a foot short of where the batter expects. Curiously he does well in his own land which is usually a fingerspinner’s graveyard.

Not much difference as bowlers.

I’ll have Swann because he could counterattack with the bat, was an excellent slip and clever tactically, advising Strauss and Cook. Plus he’s funny.

 

[Junaids]

I think Tim May was better than Lyon: he just couldn’t get into the team because of Warne.

 

[tyron_woodley]

far better bowler than warne who played on helpful wickets and during an era which was notoriously known for cheating via using foreign objects to tamper with the ball etc.

 

[wrongun]

Hmmmm.

Swann gave it more of a rip and could beat the bat on both sides because he drifted away from the right handed. He was brilliant against lefty batters.

Lyon beats more batters in the flight because he gets overspin and it drops a foot short of where the batter expects. Curiously he does well in his own land which is usually a fingerspinner’s graveyard.

Not much difference as bowlers.

I’ll have Swann because he could counterattack with the bat, was an excellent slip and clever tactically, advising Strauss and Cook. Plus he’s funny.

Swann is funny but was part of a bit of a bully clique. Lyon is heart & soul of his team, gives the speech after winning tests & custodian of the Southern Cross chant etc. So I'll call that even.

It's Lyon's overspin which makes him so effective in Oz, where bounce is a big weapon. A lot of bat pads & caught leg slip/leg gully as a ball jumps at the hip. Same style has seen him struggle at times in Asia, where bounce is not always there and side spin (allied with the straight one) is a better tool.

Swann had the more side spin (& sideways drift at his best), which made him a touch better in Asia.

Thing about Lyon is he has continued to grow as a bowler. He's recognised his need to change in Asia & has started to improve there. For years he'd tighten up in the 4th inning & sometimes not do the job but he's a regular threat in the 4th innings now too.

So I can see why early on he went without credit- he'll tell you himself he's twice the bowler now he was then. He is an atg off spinner up with Swann, Saqlain, Laker etc. And he's not done yet. He has 390 Test wickets & he'll play another 5 years. He'll likely end with 600 Test wickets and a spot in the pantheon of atg spinners of any kind.

He is the best offie in the world because Ashwin can't even hold his place in the team on overseas tours, he's regularly dropped.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

far better bowler than warne who played on helpful wickets and during an era which was notoriously known for cheating via using foreign objects to tamper with the ball etc.

Shami is also better than mcgrath.

Lyon is given due credit for what he does, he averages 32 not 22.
Why do people want him to be treated as an atg when he's clearly not.

 

[Junaids]

I think that Lyon probably shouldn’t be in the Test team except in Asia.

He isn’t as good a spinner as any of the four main quicks are at their role, and he is keeping Pattinson out of the team.

If Australia had a good spin-bowling all-rounder, or a keeper who could bat at 6, then Lyon wouldn’t be in the team. A Jadeja or a Watling would make him unselectable.

I think that if Australia had Pattinson batting at 8, Cummins at 9, Starc at 10 and Hazlewood at 11 they would have a West Indies 76-95 quality attack.

But that would require a Carey batting at 6 and a Jadeja or even a Moeen Ali batting at 7. And that Aussie Jadeja does not exist.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I think that Lyon probably shouldn’t be in the Test team except in Asia.

He isn’t as good a spinner as any of the four main quicks are at their role, and he is keeping Pattinson out of the team.

If Australia had a good spin-bowling all-rounder, or a keeper who could bat at 6, then Lyon wouldn’t be in the team. A Jadeja or a Watling would make him unselectable.

I think that if Australia had Pattinson batting at 8, Cummins at 9, Starc at 10 and Hazlewood at 11 they would have a West Indies 76-95 quality attack.

But that would require a Carey batting at 6 and a Jadeja or even a Moeen Ali batting at 7. And that Aussie Jadeja does not exist.

Lyon is definitely better in his role than mitchell starc, who usually goes for runs.

Secondly, as we saw in 2018 ind tour if aus the Australian pacers are not invincible on flat tracks they"ll need lyon to spin them out of trouble.
Lyon is mandatory for adelaide and scg tracks.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hmmmm.

Swann gave it more of a rip and could beat the bat on both sides because he drifted away from the right handed. He was brilliant against lefty batters.

Lyon beats more batters in the flight because he gets overspin and it drops a foot short of where the batter expects. Curiously he does well in his own land which is usually a fingerspinner’s graveyard.

Not much difference as bowlers.

I’ll have Swann because he could counterattack with the bat, was an excellent slip and clever tactically, advising Strauss and Cook. Plus he’s funny.

Not always. Swann ripped it massively for a couple of years. Around 2010,,2011 when he was at his peak. Lyon rips it pretty big too and probably 2nd only to a peak Swann.

 

[sam_ahm]

Lyon has always been a support bowler, he is not someone who runs through oppositions like Warne, Murali, Saqlain or Ajmal, he doesn't usually turn the game on its head, more of a well respected support bowler, but doesn't have the X factor, not in the league of greats. Can't carry the bowling on his own.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lyon is playing at home while Ashwin is playing away in Australia but Ash got 12 wickets @28 and Lyon got only 6 wickets @57.

In past, Ashwin has outperformed Herath also.

 

[wrongun]

Lyon is the highest wicket taking finger spinner of all time. (Murali was more a wrist spinner in truth, unique)

I'd say he's got his respect now. Good Test bowler, but his average tells the story he's not a great bowler.

He's the very rare offspinner who manages to be continually effective in all conditions. It's rare company to be just as effective in England, NZ as you are in India & also completely different conditions again in Australia.

He gets the job done more often than not- but you never really guarantee he will spin a team home, just that he'll be generally effective. He has the least tricks of all the top spinners (Warne, Murali, Kumble, Ashwin) but he does have a really beautiful shape on his off break. A bit of curve, a nice dip that helps that one that jumps up at the hip for so many catches at short leg, leg slip, leg gully.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Great spinner, one of the best ever classical off spinners. Who says he's not respected. He's called GOAT jokingly

 

[MMHS]

You don’t play 100 Tests for Aussies unless you are not respected!!!! And he has just turned 33, might play another 5 years & ~50 more Tests - can end up with 600+ Test wickets. Top, top quality finger spinner - he is actually the second most important bowler in Australian Test lineup.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lyon is the highest wicket taking finger spinner of all time. .

No, Harbhajan is, he has 417 test wickets.

 

[wrongun]

No, Harbhajan is, he has 417 test wickets.

Ah really. I stand corrected. I guess he might catch him at the end of this year.

 

[wrongun]

Great spinner, one of the best ever classical off spinners. Who says he's not respected. He's called GOAT jokingly

I think The GOAT it's a bit like one of those "Sir Jaddu" things that started as a bit of a joke but then the player really grew into it. They began it when he's only played about 25/30 Tests & wasn't still sure of being picked every week but he passed Oz previous most wickets by an off spinner (141 Hugh Trumble) which was a pretty low number since off spin is so hard to succeed in Oz (wrist spin works here). But they decided he was now the GOAT oz off spinner & he thinks it was half (friendly) mocking at first but over time... it grew.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lyon is a very good spinner but can't be rated at same level as Ashwin or Kumble. The latter two are borderline ATGs.

Warne/Murali
Gap
Kumble/Ashwin
Saqlain/Swann/Lyon/Herath
MacGill/Bhajji/Jadeja/Yasir/Vettori

 

[Bhaijaan]

I think The GOAT it's a bit like one of those "Sir Jaddu" things that started as a bit of a joke but then the player really grew into it. They began it when he's only played about 25/30 Tests & wasn't still sure of being picked every week but he passed Oz previous most wickets by an off spinner (141 Hugh Trumble) which was a pretty low number since off spin is so hard to succeed in Oz (wrist spin works here). But they decided he was now the GOAT oz off spinner & he thinks it was half (friendly) mocking at first but over time... it grew.

Yes, amazing.

Also goes to show, he's one of the most liked characters in the dressing room. Blokes are always joking around with him.

 

[Savak]

The Indians know how to play him in Australia. Against other teams, he is a lot more effective

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ah really. I stand corrected. I guess he might catch him at the end of this year.

Yes he will be around 435 wickets by the end of the year I feel.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Lyon is highly rated by Indians and rightly so, because of his exploits in 2014 Adelaide and the last home series in India. We never cared much about Warne, in fact loved to see him in Aus colours against us since everyone in our team would smash him while struggling against their quicks like McGrath, Gillespie, Fleming. No doubt Warne is GOAT but Indian batsmen of his era were so so good against spin. Lyon though not in the same league as Warne bowls to a much inferior Indian batting lineup against spin, not his fault but it is what it is.

100th test for Australia, that too being an off-spinner in a country hostile to that kind of bowling. Special achievement, hope he goes for 600 test wickets by the end of his career, deserves it. Not having a great series this time around, but never write off a class player.

 

[Last Monetarist]

A major factor behind Australia losing the series has been Nathan Lyon's mediocre performances this season. He has been bowling like he was 8 or 9 years ago when he was still a rookie in the team.

 

[MP2011]

Lyon was needing what, 10 wickets in this series to complete his 400 test wickets? And he couldn't do it in this series. Shows how well we played him.

 

[Savak]

A major factor behind Australia losing the series has been Nathan Lyon's mediocre performances this season. He has been bowling like he was 8 or 9 years ago when he was still a rookie in the team.

Australia's decision to keep him on when the target was getting closer and closer cost them, better to have had two pacers on instead.

 

[Mamoon]

Lyon is brilliant, but at times, the opposition negates you to the point where you run of out ideas. The footwork of Indian batsmen against him was exceptional.

 

[MP2011]

Lyon is yet to bowl a single no-ball in his 100 tests till date. Wow! Is this true?

Don't think there is any other bowler in history who is yet to bowl a single no-ball despite playing these many tests.