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Virat Kohli has mounted a case for being the most complete batsman of all time

BestEver said:
A team wins matches not a single player.

How many 100s lara scored in winning matches away from home ?
Ans. 3. in NZ,Aus and ZIM

two of them before 1998 when WI has good fast bowlers. 3rd against Zimbabwe.

The biggest example of one man can't win matches is WI vs Srilanka 2001 where lara scored 221 and 130 in same match but still lost it. here is the scorecard.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63960.html

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The meek sri lanka you are talking about was a strong team back then. they qualified for Final in that series.
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but a single player can be a choker despite the winning and losing responsibilities falling to a team?
I don't get this narrative
 
soso_killer said:
i find it amusing how different parameters are used to judge players
When it's pointed out that AB has a good world cup record. Others are just as quick to label him a choker as he's failed to win a world cup. No one quips "well he doesn't have a clutch player like a Yuvraj playing alongside him".

Why should I accept double standards and excuses?
International players simply play with what they've got.
You don't become a "complete" player by having a list of excuses next to your name. Kohli doesn't have a great record in World Cups either. Hasn't won a match for his country in either England, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand or the UAE. even in Sri Lanka he averages 38.
And then there's ODI's where again he hasn't singlehandedly won a game away. I'm not talking about bullying a meek Sri Lanka in Australia.
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Well yeah an innings needs just a batsman to perform while a match result requires both batting and bowling to perform, with bowling acquiring much more significance than batting. While batting in a weak team is definitely difficult, it's still possible to play a good knock. Meanwhile it's near to impossible to win a match if you have useless bowlers incapable of picking 20 wickets in a match. The maximum you can do is draw a match but you need your bowlers to win you a match.

For the record, I don't consider Kohli to be the most complete player one bit. He has a lot of distance to cover before being considered for the spot. Just pointing the flaw in your argument. Funny you point out Kohli's record though. AB's is hardly any better. I've only seen him bish bashing weak attacks and winning matches. I've rarely seen him winning matches against strong attacks. Choked in the 2011 quarters against NZ. Choked in the 2013 champions trophy semis against the hosts. 2015 world cup semis was probably the only time I saw him really stepping up against a good attack when it mattered. Unfortunate for him, the weather played spoilsport. Nonetheless it was a very good knock. Only gripe is that he could've played up the order in that match and put the game beyond the reach of the kiwis.
 
soso_killer said:
Whoa when did Kohli ever score a match winning double ton in England? Please share a link.
In light of this new info maybe he is a "grade above", but please do share a link.
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What's with this colonial mentality? England is only one of the 9 major Test playing nations.
 
street cricketer said:
Well yeah an innings needs just a batsman to perform while a match result requires both batting and bowling to perform, with bowling acquiring much more significance than batting. While batting in a weak team is definitely difficult, it's still possible to play a good knock. Meanwhile it's near to impossible to win a match if you have useless bowlers incapable of picking 20 wickets in a match. The maximum you can do is draw a match but you need your bowlers to win you a match.

For the record, I don't consider Kohli to be the most complete player one bit. He has a lot of distance to cover before being considered for the spot. Just pointing the flaw in your argument. Funny you point out Kohli's record though. AB's is hardly any better. I've only seen him bish bashing weak attacks and winning matches. I've rarely seen him winning matches against strong attacks. Choked in the 2011 quarters against NZ. Choked in the 2013 champions trophy semis against the hosts. 2015 world cup semis was probably the only time I saw him really stepping up against a good attack when it mattered. Unfortunate for him, the weather played spoilsport. Nonetheless it was a very good knock. Only gripe is that he could've played up the order in that match and put the game beyond the reach of the kiwis.
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Again silly excuses, can you list me the amount of matches India lost having 300+ to defend in Test matches? Which team has lost the most amount?
Wasn't AB called by Faf to take a single from his blind spot in 2011? If so how was it a choke?
Was it a choke when Kohli failed in 2011 & 2014?
 
Napa said:
What's with this colonial mentality? England is only one of the 9 major Test playing nations.
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If you actually took time to read my post before posting you would be aware you couldn't be further from the truth.
I said Kohli has failed to win matches away from home that's not pertaining to England only.
You went on about double tons. Where were these double tons scored? And how are they relevant to my question?
 
soso_killer said:
Again silly excuses, can you list me the amount of matches India lost having 300+ to defend in Test matches? Which team has lost the most amount?
Wasn't AB called by Faf to take a single from his blind spot in 2011? If so how was it a choke?
Was it a choke when Kohli failed in 2011 & 2014?
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Just off the top of my head, India failed to win at Jo'burg after having 450 runs on the board when any semi decent bowling attack would've bowled the side to victory. Do you think South Africa would've failed to win the match if the roles were reversed and India were chasing a 450+ target in the final innings? If India had won that match, we would've been praising Kohli's match winning knocks in both innings.

Was the same case at Wellington when India failed to win despite having a 250 run lead in our first innings. That's how cra* our bowlers were. We probably would've lost at Lords too if not for the sudden collective cricketing suicide the English batsmen did against Ishant Sharma of all people. With a semi decent bowling attack, we could have drawn the SA and NZ series, but we lost both due to our ineptness. Not sure why you're understating the importance of a good pace attack in winning tests overseas.

Never said Kohli was a beast in ICC tournaments. Has largely been a failure in world cups till now for a player of his calibre. Only saving grace being the ton against Pakistan at Adelaide.
 
street cricketer said:
Just off the top of my head, India failed to win at Jo'burg after having 450 runs on the board when any semi decent bowling attack would've bowled the side to victory. Do you think South Africa would've failed to win the match if the roles were reversed and India were chasing a 450+ target in the final innings? If India had won that match, we would've been praising Kohli's match winning knocks in both innings.

Was the same case at Wellington when India failed to win despite having a 250 run lead in our first innings. That's how cra* our bowlers were. We probably would've lost at Lords too if not for the sudden collective cricketing suicide the English batsmen did against Ishant Sharma of all people. With a semi decent bowling attack, we could have drawn the SA and NZ series, but we lost both due to our ineptness. Not sure why you're understating the importance of a good pace attack in winning tests overseas.

Never said Kohli was a beast in ICC tournaments. Has largely been a failure in world cups till now for a player of his calibre. Only saving grace being the ton against Pakistan at Adelaide.
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SA have chased 400 before though, both formats.
Also in return they've lost a few matches having posted 300+.
I can think of Sri Lanka in Colombo, 340? Mahela taking Lanka home with a wicket to spare.
Twice against Australia did we fail to defend 300, once in Jo'burg 2011 (320?), and sometime against Brett Lee and co.
Also failed to defend 290 in Australia 2006 against Ponting and co.
There have been numerous cases that SA has failed to not only draw but win. These are just the ones on top of my head.

I can in return make a plethora of excuses for AB but I won't. It's not worth derailing a thread over.
 
Napa said:
Why are we even talking about Amla in this thread?

Amla is a joke when it comes to "most-complete-batsman-of-all-time". He has failed every time in ICC LOI tournaments. Kohli has a century against Pakistan in a WC, and a 49 in the recent ICC t20 which has kept enabled India to maintain a perfect record 11-0 against Pakistan. Amla has done nothing that compares in the world championship tourneys.
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Really? Amla's knock of 70-odd scored against eventual champions, India themselves, in the 2011 WC was a better innings than Kohli's mediocre, laborious century in the 2015 edition.

Amla is a much more complete test batsman than Kohli and a far superior player overall, and it is no surprise that you, with your track record of outrageously silly remarks, would be oblivious to the fact.

Regarding AB, his WC record is on a different level compared to Kohli's, which is fitting because he is the superior ODI player quite comfortably.
 
street cricketer said:
Well yeah an innings needs just a batsman to perform while a match result requires both batting and bowling to perform, with bowling acquiring much more significance than batting. While batting in a weak team is definitely difficult, it's still possible to play a good knock. Meanwhile it's near to impossible to win a match if you have useless bowlers incapable of picking 20 wickets in a match. The maximum you can do is draw a match but you need your bowlers to win you a match.

For the record, I don't consider Kohli to be the most complete player one bit. He has a lot of distance to cover before being considered for the spot. Just pointing the flaw in your argument. Funny you point out Kohli's record though. AB's is hardly any better. I've only seen him bish bashing weak attacks and winning matches. I've rarely seen him winning matches against strong attacks. Choked in the 2011 quarters against NZ. Choked in the 2013 champions trophy semis against the hosts. 2015 world cup semis was probably the only time I saw him really stepping up against a good attack when it mattered. Unfortunate for him, the weather played spoilsport. Nonetheless it was a very good knock. Only gripe is that he could've played up the order in that match and put the game beyond the reach of the kiwis.
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Wrong :trump

He was run out by Faf when he was batting like a dream.

Unless being run out by your teammate is considered choking
 
In regards to Kohli, taking the other side of the bet is not wise. You'll probably end up with egg on your face.
 
Slog said:
Wrong :trump

He was run out by Faf when he was batting like a dream.

Unless being run out by your teammate is considered choking
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Would've got run out by himself even if Faf didn't assist him. Guy has a record of getting runout in world cups..:narine
 
Ozymandiasza said:
The SA series isn't really something to brag about. Nine batsmen, including Philander, averaged 60+ during that series. Almost 1400 runs were scored during the first test alone. The second test India lost by 10 wickets with Kohli being quite average.
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Bump
 
bujhee kom said:
Joke thread.

There is no one within a lightyear of IVA Richards.
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Viv was a great batsman, but very lucky to have not faced the four pronged WI attack. Viv's domestic record against them was poor.

Virat's manner of dismissal should be worrying for Indians. Same ol' prod to the ball going away from him. Seems like he hasn't learnt much since England 2013.
 
not surprised he failed tbh, he's never excelled against top bowling attacks and top bowling conditions
 
Amla against indian attack at home
Kohli against one of the best bowling attack in SA

No criticism for Amla at all...biased????
 
He will score runs but in helpful conditions for bowler he looks quite vulnerable. Any Goat bowler could work out on him.
 
rashmin said:
Amla against indian attack at home
Kohli against one of the best bowling attack in SA

No criticism for Amla at all...biased????
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Amla has been mediocre for the last 3 years while Kohli is supposed to be at the peak of his career. Also, there are a lot more people on this forum who would love to see Kohli fail, rather than Amla.

This is much more of a test for Kohli rather than Amla.
 
Dead Ball said:
Amla has been mediocre for the last 3 years while Kohli is supposed to be at the peak of his career. Also, there are a lot more people on this forum who would love to see Kohli fail, rather than Amla.

This is much more of a test for Kohli rather than Amla.
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Agreed bro.
 
First of all India went into this series without a warmup game like heroes!

Now you expect mercy from fans?
 
rashmin said:
Amla against indian attack at home
Kohli against one of the best bowling attack in SA

No criticism for Amla at all...biased????
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The difference is that Amla was never is contention to be one of the greatest of the game where as Kohli is being considered as one of the GOATs of the game. Therefore, expectations from Kohli are much higher.
 
Dead Ball said:
Viv was a great batsman, but very lucky to have not faced the four pronged WI attack. Viv's domestic record against them was poor.

Virat's manner of dismissal should be worrying for Indians. Same ol' prod to the ball going away from him. Seems like he hasn't learnt much since England 2013.
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No one faces their own attack in international cricket so the point is mute. Viv destroyed world class fast bowlers: Lillee and Thommo, Imran and Wasim, Hadlee, Willis etc etc
 
Sachin136 said:
Will you say this everytime he gets a low score? Do you expect him to score a double every innings? Even Amla got out for 3.
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Exactly the issue here buddy, this is why Bradman was the most "complete" batsman. Scored a ton every time he walked out to bat.
 
bujhee kom said:
No one faces their own attack in international cricket so the point is mute. Viv destroyed world class fast bowlers: Lillee and Thommo, Imran and Wasim, Hadlee, Willis etc etc
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They do. Its called Domestic Cricket. Now its perfectly understandable why all of a sudden Old ERA fanatics dont think it was important. Nothing new in that story. But the uncomfortable fact is that Viv's record was absolutely pathetic against WI fast bowlers.
 
Tusker said:
They do. Its called Domestic Cricket. Now its perfectly understandable why all of a sudden Old ERA fanatics dont think it was important. Nothing new in that story. But the uncomfortable fact is that Viv's record was absolutely pathetic against WI fast bowlers.
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But that has no impact on his INTERNATIONAL returns. Unless the likes of Lillee and co were suddenly tripe and only the WI quicks were good. :)))
 
bujhee kom said:
But that has no impact on his INTERNATIONAL returns. Unless the likes of Lillee and co were suddenly tripe and only the WI quicks were good. :)))
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if we are to believe the stories as told by the old era fanatics ... the WI fast bowlers possesed near God level abilities the likes of which are pretty much extinct now ... So yeah you tell me .. :)))

And for the record you will quietly slip away from this discussion pretty soon.
 
Tusker said:
if we are to believe the stories as told by the old era fanatics ... the WI fast bowlers possesed near God level abilities the likes of which are pretty much extinct now ... So yeah you tell me .. :)))

And for the record you will quietly slip away from this discussion pretty soon.
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Unlikely. I actually have a job and a life so don't live on PP.

Lillee, Hadlee, Thommo, Imran, Wasim etc were the equals of any of the WI quicks and Viv smashed them all. You started watching cricket about 2 weeks ago, so don't pretend to know about that which you never saw.
 
bujhee kom said:
Unlikely. I actually have a job and a life so don't live on PP.
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Or maybe the inability to substantiate your nostalgia driven claims has something to do with the quick exists :))

Lillee, Hadlee, Thommo, Imran, Wasim etc were the equals of any of the WI quicks and Viv smashed them all.
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The only real crafty of them all was Waz. Other than that its a huge stretch to equate the rest with the likes of Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, Garner, Bishop, Walsh etc. You are the first one to venture into that territory and we all know the intentions.

You started watching cricket about 2 weeks ago, so don't pretend to know about that which you never saw.
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The trick is in actually understanding and comprehending what you are seeing.
 
Tusker said:
Or maybe the inability to substantiate your nostalgia driven claims has something to do with the quick exists :))



The only real crafty of them all was Waz. Other than that its a huge stretch to equate the rest with the likes of Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, Garner, Bishop, Walsh etc. You are the first one to venture into that territory and we all know the intentions.



The trick is in actually understanding and comprehending what you are seeing.
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In what universe are the likes of Garner (a) different eras from the Imran/Lillees of this world and (b) more crafty?

You really are exposing your lack of knowledge. Stick to cricket from 2010 onwards - you are talking pure jazz as relates to any time before that.
 
bujhee kom said:
In what universe are the likes of Garner (a) different eras from the Imran/Lillees of this world and (b) more crafty?
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Have you seen the Man ? Lillee and Imran look like Lilliputs in front of him.

You really are exposing your lack of knowledge. Stick to cricket from 2010 onwards - you are talking pure jazz as relates to any time before that.
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speak for yourselves. Other than being snobbish you really have nothing to back up your tall ludicrous claims.
 
Tusker said:
Have you seen the Man ? Lillee and Imran look like Lilliputs in front of him.



speak for yourselves. Other than being snobbish you really have nothing to back up your tall ludicrous claims.
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Yes, I saw loads of Garner. He was a man-mountain, but he was not quicker or craftier than Imran or Lillee. No one who actually saw him bowl would claim that. Metronomically accurate, steep bounce and impeccable line but no 'magic' as such.

You embody the very worst stereotypes of the modern fan.
 
bujhee kom said:
Yes, I saw loads of Garner. He was a man-mountain, but he was not quicker or craftier than Imran or Lillee. No one who actually saw him bowl would claim that. Metronomically accurate, steep bounce and impeccable line but no 'magic' as such.
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You asked how he was different and I gave you a proper response. Now Iam sure you will tell us how the height factor and accuracy are all immaterial. You might even tell us that it was actually not really advantageous. Ohhh and there is this thing called youtube you should check it out.

You embody the very worst stereotypes of the modern fan.
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Why because I don't buy horse manure at price of Gold like you do ? :))

The problem with Old ERA fanatics is that they truly believe the oldest man is the wisest man.
 
Tusker said:
You asked how he was different and I gave you a proper response. Now Iam sure you will tell us how the height factor and accuracy are all immaterial. You might even tell us that it was actually not really advantageous. Ohhh and there is this thing called youtube you should check it out.



Why because I don't buy horse manure at price of Gold like you do ?

The problem with Old ERA fanatics is that they truly believe the oldest man is the wisest man.
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For accuracy, you said "it was a huge stretch" to compare the quicks I listed to x or y. I proved they were entirely comparable as bowlers in terms of quality. JG had height, but lacked the pace or variation of the others, so its a case of strengths/weaknesses. On balance, those cited were equal to the great WI quicks. That was the issue here and how Viv's dominance of them highlighted his ability against world class fast bowling.
 
Nayy, I am not worried, the guy is a little bit in lalaland with lack of match practice and his wedding out of the way.. He just needs to warm up, he will be back to his best soon :kp
 
Virat is not the complete batsman. There is no one at the moment.

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bujhee kom said:
For accuracy, you said "it was a huge stretch" to compare the quicks I listed to x or y. I proved they were entirely comparable as bowlers in terms of quality. JG had height, but lacked the pace or variation of the others, so its a case of strengths/weaknesses. On balance, those cited were equal to the great WI quicks. That was the issue here and how Viv's dominance of them highlighted his ability against world class fast bowling.
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You have proved nothing. Making empty onesided statements with nothing to back that up is a game that I can very easily play and claim victory just as simply. Just going by Conventional cricketing Wisdom the WI Pace men are without any doubt whatsoever the far superior bowlers to the rest with rare exceptions like Wasim. You know it too and are just arguing for the sake of it. If you want to go by stats they are superior in that aspect too.
 
Tusker said:
You have proved nothing. Making empty onesided statements with nothing to back that up is a game that I can very easily play and claim victory just as simply. Just going by Conventional cricketing Wisdom the WI Pace men are without any doubt whatsoever the far superior bowlers to the rest with rare exceptions like Wasim. You know it too and are just arguing for the sake of it. If you want to go by stats they are superior in that aspect too.
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What conventional wisdom? The uniqueness was the deployment of 4 in a quartet. In stat terms, those quicks I cited are neck-neck with the great WI quicks. Ave/SR/wpm all within a sliver of one another.
 
bujhee kom said:
What conventional wisdom? The uniqueness was the deployment of 4 in a quartet. In stat terms, those quicks I cited are neck-neck with the great WI quicks. Ave/SR/wpm all within a sliver of one another.
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Marshall being the exception but the rest (Ambrose, Holding, Garner, Croft, Roberts, Bishop, Walsh) all ave c. 20-25, wpm c.4 and s/r of 50-58. All those guys match those stats or surpass them in some parameters. Stick to ICF where the posters know nothing.
 
Tusker said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ualval1=wickets;template=results;type=bowling

Why don't you actually show me these players that have better Avg than Marshall, Amby, Garner ...
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Moving your own parameters.
I clearly gave ranges that indicate comparable quality. That Lillee, Imran et al are on that list shows they are within the same standard measures of world class quicks. Ie ave sub 25, s/r sub mid 50s.

Why isolate 3 WI now and now make the statements you did before? Mong.
 
bujhee kom said:
Moving your own parameters.
I clearly gave ranges that indicate comparable quality.
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And there is your problem ... if you dont know the difference between a Avg 20 With a SR under 50 and Avg 22 with SR well above 50 then you don't belong in this discussion. The next problem is going to be finding excuses to explain how facing multiple such high quality bowlers throughout the match is same as facing one or two of them in a match.
 
If Kohli flops this series, his chance of becoming ATG is almost done. Already failed in high-profile series in England and SA/ Aus at home. Then he will be labeled with guys like Hayden and Mahela.

This series in SA and Eng will be critical in shaping up his legacy.
 
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Tusker said:
And there is your problem ... if you dont know the difference between a Avg 20 With a SR under 50 and Avg 22 with SR well above 50 then you don't belong in this discussion. The next problem is going to be finding excuses to explain how facing multiple such high quality bowlers throughout the match is same as facing one or two of them in a match.
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The clear standout (Marshall) I granted an elevated status. His mid 40s S/R is epic. But the range 50-54 is completely comparable. As are 1- 2 runs in average below the 25 benchmark. Ie 23/52 and 24/54 are clearly guys of comparable quality.
 
Chrish said:
If Kohli flops this series, his chance of becoming ATG is almost done. Already failed in high-profile series in England and SA/ Aus at home. Then he will be labeled with guys like Hayden and Mahela.

This series in SA and Eng will be critical in shaping up his legacy.
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Agreed. A poor away run and the reputation is tarnished.
 
bujhee kom said:
The clear standout (Marshall) I granted an elevated status. His mid 40s S/R is epic. But the range 50-54 is completely comparable. As are 1- 2 runs in average below the 25 benchmark. Ie 23/52 and 24/54 are clearly guys of comparable quality.
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comparable only if either the avg or SR is ignored otherwise the combination is lethal. None of the Non-WI bowlers have that combo. You can twist and turn as much as you want but there ends the discussion.
 
Tusker said:
comparable only if either the avg or SR is ignored otherwise the combination is lethal. None of the Non-WI bowlers have that combo. You can twist and turn as much as you want but there ends the discussion.
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/content/records/283274.html

Notice Imran, Lillee and Hadlee have better SR than Ambrose, and others. You have no argument based in fact. You are literally arguing against all the evidence. It is quite a feat.

All this to deny Viv was ace v pace despite the proof that he was the best ever against pace in intl cricket.
 
bujhee kom said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/content/records/283274.html

Notice Imran, Lillee and Hadlee have better SR than Ambrose, and others. You have no argument based in fact. You are literally arguing against all the evidence. It is quite a feat.

All this to deny Viv was ace v pace despite the proof that he was the best ever against pace in intl cricket.
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Again flawed understanding of fast bowling stats ... nobody just uses Strike rate as a stat initself ignoring the bowling Avg to rank bowlers.

And Iam using the same non-stop crowing from the old era fanatics about how good the WI fast bowlers were against them to show you where Viv ranks using that same piece of information. If the discussion where to shift to a comparison between those same WI bowlers vs 90s bowlers you would be right now ridiculing me smilies and insults galore. The point is you have a problem of bias and nostalgia. In your head you have a ranking system that is predominantly age based and you will doggedly argue for the sake of arguing and in the process fall flat and have your shallow understanding of cricket rudely exposed.
 
Tusker said:
Again flawed understanding of fast bowling stats ... nobody just uses Strike rate as a stat initself ignoring the bowling Avg to rank bowlers.

And Iam using the same non-stop crowing from the old era fanatics about how good the WI fast bowlers were against them to show you where Viv ranks using that same piece of information. If the discussion where to shift to a comparison between those same WI bowlers vs 90s bowlers you would be right now ridiculing me smilies and insults galore. The point is you have a problem of bias and nostalgia. In your head you have a ranking system that is predominantly age based and you will doggedly argue for the sake of arguing and in the process fall flat and have your shallow understanding of cricket rudely exposed.
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I really cant grasp how you are still missing it. I already cited the fact that those guys are ALL within the 20-25 ave band. Mostly c.23 so the data on SR is not in isolation.
 
bujhee kom said:
I really cant grasp how you are still missing it. I already cited the fact that those guys are ALL within the 20-25 ave band. Mostly c.23 so the data on SR is not in isolation.
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because 20 to 25 is a big band for bowling avg.
 
Chrish said:
If Kohli flops this series, his chance of becoming ATG is almost done. Already failed in high-profile series in England and SA/ Aus at home. Then he will be labeled with guys like Hayden and Mahela.

This series in SA and Eng will be critical in shaping up his legacy.
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I guess he has answered you.

Also the posts in this thread are hilarious.
Wonder what will be their reactions now. Especially [MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION]
 
No one has any business claiming best batter of all time, batting in the worst bowling era/conditions of all time.

Plus, power hitting is missing from his suit and hasn't been testing against genuine Pacers or all time great spinners.
 
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Zhasan said:
No one has any business claiming best batter of all time, batting in the worst bowling era/conditions of all time.

Plus, power hitting is missing from his suit and hasn't been testing against genuine Pacers or all time great spinners.
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You made 5 claims in this post and every single one of them is false.
 
Zhasan said:
No one has any business claiming best batter of all time, batting in the worst bowling era/conditions of all time.

Plus, power hitting is missing from his suit and hasn't been testing against genuine Pacers or all time great spinners.
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What are you trying to say?

2018 was the worst period for a batsman in a decade and he averaged 60+ highest for a batsman and the pitches were of horrible type and horrible is still an understatement - batting in - batting in worst conditions checked

Power hitting missing? Hello, were you living in a jail uptill now?

All time great pacers - well he played against Steyn, Rabada, philander, Ngidi, Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood. In this line up Rabada and Starc and Cummins are regarded as one of the best pacers going around have the potential to become ATG, Steyn is the highest wicket taker for SA and is considered the best pacer for SA ever.


Now i will take the names of two English bowlers and tell me which pacer in the whole English cricket history was better and had better stats than them- Anderson and Stuart Broad. Tell me should not rate Batters who scored runs against an English attack that didn't have these two, wouln't that be unfair?

2018 has made Kohli an ATG not because of the runs but also becaus of the pitches and how hard the conditions were in 2018 to score runs.
 
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Wow,this thread is gold.
Posters were calliNG him FTB and then 2018 happened.
NEVER EVER DOUBT THE KING.
 
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