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Wahab Riaz since World Cup 2015 in ODIs (excluding Zimbabwe)

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I dont know how long are we going to carry him because of his pace , the guy made his debut in 2008 and he still bowls like a newbie.
 
But but but...he goes for runs and take wickets at the same time.
 
But fans love him because he bowls fast. Even guys like Umesh Yadav have improved whereas wahab seems to be learning nothing. He should be dropped now.
 
Should have been dropped long time back.

If we play him because he bowls fast then why not play Moammad Sami and Mohammad Talha too?
 
Test only bowler

I have been saying it for a year, Riaz has been obsolete in ODIS since the two new ball rule. He lost his insane reverse swing and he is quite frankly too stupid to make up for it
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Test only bowler

I have been saying it for a year, Riaz has been obsolete in ODIS since the two new ball rule. He lost his insane reverse swing and he is quite frankly too stupid to make up for it
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Not even a test bowler , averages 34 and has only two 5 fers to show in 7 years.
 
Atleast one person in the team is scoring fifties on a consistent basis. :14:
 
I have been saying this over and over again Wahab is mediocre player who is in the team because of his spell against watto.

Many deserving bowlers with better skills are being left out
 
Have some patience. Average bowlers don't bowl spells like what he did to Watson on grand stage.
 
Riaz and Hasan just don't bowl consistently well enough. Their economies are around 6 per over (Hasan's is over 6). That translates to scores of 300 if we had five of them, we heavily rely on the other bowlers to keep the total down. The spinners were underbowled, Imad didn't fire and we lost.

They take wickets in clusters and on their day are awesome, but LOI requires consistency. I'd take a bowler in LOI who consistently bowls well, keeps the wickets down, rather than someone more mercurial. As that bowler when he isn't on a good day will lose pressure and will be targeted (while the better bowlers played out). In LOI batsmen rarely get out to good balls, it's usually mistakes, or when trying to up the strike rate.

Hasan has potential and hopefully will get better with time.
 
Atleast Hassan Ali won us the last T20 match. Wahab is yet to win matches for us singlehandedly.
 
Aaron type bowler with lesser avg pace and a better fielder.Still not fit for Odis
 
Should stick to Tests and play 1/3 T20Is every series.

Is only good in ODIs in an ICC championship.
 
He's been doing this for so long and shows no sign of improvement. It's time to look beyond him. All the other fast bowlers in our side are better than Wahab even Sohail Khan.
 
The greatest batsman of all time, Watson, has gave him a false hope. For me, Wahab is no better than the trundlers we see in Indian domestic circuit.
 
Balthazar said:
The greatest batsman of all time, Watson, has gave him a false hope. For me, Wahab is no better than the trundlers we see in Indian domestic circuit.
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Revise your definition of trundler. Riaz is many things but trundler he is not.
 
Even poor Sami did not get as many chances in ODIs and he was a far superior bowler.
 
That spell to Watson is likely to give Pakistani fans years of misery. Poor man's Umesh Yadav is who he is.
 
saeed5646 said:
this is what we are suffering from .he is not good enough for odis or t20
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Pakistan should stick with younger options even if they are no better than Wahab. Even if you don't get results straight away, you can always expect improvement with time.
 
Buffet said:
Have some patience. Average bowlers don't bowl spells like what he did to Watson on grand stage.
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U r savage man. U r one of the most knowledgeable, impartial, witty poster in pp.
U have to post more frequently
 
Zak_Fan said:
Pakistan should stick with younger options even if they are no better than Wahab. Even if you don't get results straight away, you can always expect improvement with time.
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there are guys trust me better than him but pcb and inzi is too reluctant
 
he should be dropped from odi squad. he is useless in this format. neither taking wickets nor maintaining pressure what is his role can't understand
 
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the last time I saw him he was still getting warning from the umpires for landing on the pitch and his foot was close to being called a no ball and he was same terrible fielder and mediocre bowler getting smashed all over the park. Surely the worst bowler ever I have seen play for a long time for Pakistan.
 
How many bowlers can ramp it up to 155ks like Wahab? Yes he can be wayward but raw pace has its value especially when your other bowlers are wayward and slow. Time for PPers to swallow their pride and accept that Wahab is one of the best they have.
 
MRSN said:
the last time I saw him he was still getting warning from the umpires for landing on the pitch and his foot was close to being called a no ball and he was same terrible fielder and mediocre bowler getting smashed all over the park. Surely the worst bowler ever I have seen play for a long time for Pakistan.
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He's honestly one of the better fielders in the Pakistani side.
 
Wahab should be a Test specialist only. Two new ball rule has killed his ODI career. In Tests he can get good reverse swing on flat UAE tracks. But in ODIs he is finished.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
How many bowlers can ramp it up to 155ks like Wahab? Yes he can be wayward but raw pace has its value especially when your other bowlers are wayward and slow. Time for PPers to swallow their pride and accept that Wahab is one of the best they have.
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LoL I'll have a 140kph Junaid any day in my team over that once in a lifetime spell maker Wahab. If pace was everything then Thomson would have better figures than Lillee. :faf
 
Gr8Gaur said:
LoL I'll have a 140kph Junaid any day in my team over that once in a lifetime spell maker Wahab. If pace was everything then Thomson would have better figures than Lillee. :faf
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There is no Lillee in pakistan and junaid is even more mediocre than Wahab with no pace. Thomson was not dropped from the OZ side was he? The point was Wahab is among the top 3 pacers that pakistan has right now no matter what the stats say.
 
He has been a good servant for Pakistan cricket, but he is on the decline, no doubt.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There is no Lillee in pakistan and junaid is even more mediocre than Wahab with no pace. Thomson was not dropped from the OZ side was he? The point was Wahab is among the top 3 pacers that pakistan has right now no matter what the stats say.
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A no pace Junaid still would never concede 110 runs in 10 overs even if he's bowling in 120s. And btw 140 is no less of pace, its not that Wahab is bowling all 60 deliveries at 90+ MPH. Stats don't lie, Junaid all the way in any format, provided he is fit enough.:faf
 
Has been overhyped to the moon since his performance in that spell.Has done nothing significant since then.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
How many bowlers can ramp it up to 155ks like Wahab? Yes he can be wayward but raw pace has its value especially when your other bowlers are wayward and slow. Time for PPers to swallow their pride and accept that Wahab is one of the best they have.
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Yes the valuable 55 average and high economy!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There is no Lillee in pakistan and junaid is even more mediocre than Wahab with no pace. Thomson was not dropped from the OZ side was he? The point was Wahab is among the top 3 pacers that pakistan has right now no matter what the stats say.
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Yet another Indian proving why they haven't produced a single fast bowler worth speaking of despite being a country of a billion cricket fanatics.

Riaz shouldn't be playing LOIs in Asia and West Indies. I would rest him for the remaining two games and try to find out which of Hassan or Junaid should partner Amir in the CT. Riaz should be our first change in the Champions Trophy because he's a big match player who always performs at these tournaments. Our bowling attack for the CT should look something like this:

Amir, Junaid/Hassan, Riaz, Imad and Shadab.
 
Bilal7 said:
Yet another Indian proving why they haven't produced a single fast bowler worth speaking of despite being a country of a billion cricket fanatics.

Riaz shouldn't be playing LOIs in Asia and West Indies. I would rest him for the remaining two games and try to find out which of Hassan or Junaid should partner Amir in the CT. Riaz should be our first change in the Champions Trophy because he's a big match player who always performs at these tournaments. Our bowling attack for the CT should look something like this:

Amir, Junaid/Hassan, Riaz, Imad and Shadab.
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Yet another delusional Pakistani who thinks that it is the 90's with pakistan being far ahead of india when it comes to fast bowling. Our Fast bowling as a unit has been outbowling yours for the last two years and if you even take performances of the last 15 years, Pakistan are only slightly ahead in fast bowling. Time to accept facts Bilal :srini
 
Wahab is a terrible limited overs bowlers. He relies on pace & bounce while totally ignoring accuracy. I think he and Hasan's spells were the ones that turned the game on its head.

Mickey has to change things around - He is supposed to be the guy with a thinking mind in this camp. Now suddenly we are in risk of losing a series. Wahab must be dropped for the next 2 games to send him a message that this nonsense wont be tolerated.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yet another delusional Pakistani who thinks that it is the 90's with pakistan being far ahead of india when it comes to fast bowling. Our Fast bowling as a unit has been outbowling yours for the last two years and if you even take performances of the last 15 years, Pakistan are only slightly ahead in fast bowling. Time to accept facts Bilal :srini
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Your batting is far ahead, a big change from the past, which has helped your bowlers - some of the best you've had in your history - achieve parity with a decent bunh of Pakistani pacers. Switch the batting lineups and see which bowling attack does better.

The last two years have been especially bad, with our batsmen being absolutely horrific and the bowlers being unable to bail us out. Before then, however, our attack was miles ahead of yours which is why we were winning series in South Africa and India while you were getting smashed in South Africa and doing nothing of note. Peak Junaid, Irfan, Gul, Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez is arguably better than an ATG Indian attack, forget about the Kumars and Singhs that you regularly put out.

I don't want to be too mean though. Your bowlers are doing well as a group now and if Pakistan don't start selecting the right guys, India will move on ahead in all three departments in ODIs.
 
But not many players can bully a the legendary Watto
 
Just like Hafeez you can not get rid of Wahab because our selectors and captains are obsessed with them. For Hafeez it's his bowling + seniority and for Wahab it's the pace which makes him great in the eyes of our captains/coaches/selectors.

Wahab is useful in tests but in limited overs cricket he leaks runs more often than taking wickets. It's like a curse: we won't get rid of these two.
 
Since that game against Aus, Riaz has taken 25 wickets from 24 games at an average of 46 and economy of 5.6.

13 of those wickets were against Zimbabwe (9) and Bangladesh (4)

excluding Zimbabwe his average goes up to 57
 
The problem with Wahab is not merely that he has been poor. That can be said for many of our pacers recently.
It's that there is no point in investing in him at this age. Even if Abbas also fails, you have at least started the process of finding new talent by selecting him.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Since that game against Aus, Riaz has taken 25 wickets from 24 games at an average of 46 and economy of 5.6.

13 of those wickets were against Zimbabwe (9) and Bangladesh (4)

excluding Zimbabwe his average goes up to 57
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Thank you for giving us the numbers. He has been poor, and a part of me wanted him to go wicketless in the Test match so he'd get dropped for Hasan Ali. Average of 57 lol, abysmal.
 
Once again, some were claiming that Wahab was as good as Johnson since he hits the deck hard and the away tours would show that. Well, after 7 tests in England/OZ/NZ, Wahab has taken 23 wickets at an average of 38 and its clear he's no peak Johnson.
 
I don't know how he keeps getting selected. Will produce dome decent spells now and again but for the most part he is mediocre.
 
His continued selection is proof of the corruption in the selection process. His honeymoon has lasted too long.
 
we have been saying this for years, this guy in a limited overs TTF, okay in tests, utter failure

good looks, good english and one great spell should not be the basis of non-stop selection
 
this guy has lived off that Watson spell for 2 years despite serving up continuos drivel just because he is PHAAST he gets away with being mediocre. He has no skill can only reverse it in favourable conditions which renders him useless in ODIs.
 
Adil_94 said:
this guy has lived off that Watson spell for 2 years despite serving up continuos drivel just because he is PHAAST he gets away with being mediocre. He has no skill can only reverse it in favourable conditions which renders him useless in ODIs.
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So much hype over that spell when he didn't even take Watson's wicket.
 
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] because it was against aussies it got hyped to epic proportions. It was a great spell but we lost and it doesnt justify 2 years of rubbish.
 
Varun said:
So much hype over that spell when he didn't even take Watson's wicket.
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And let's remember that spell was against Shane "LBW and review" Watson, not a peak Ricky Ponting.

Wahab may have had some utility when there was one new ball in ODIs and could get reverse swing, but with two new balls that's no longer an option.

After seven years of internationals he remains as inaccurate and wayward as ever. Enough is enough.
 
Varun said:
So much hype over that spell when he didn't even take Watson's wicket.
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I know

Few months ago Mr AGRESSIVE posted a picture on twitter posing with wasim and waqar with a caption stating "proud to be the third W of Pakistan"

I felt like throwing up

This guy has been consistently awful for the best part of a decade
 
He has been garbage for a long time

Even before that 1 spell in the WC.

I have no idea why they still play him in the ODI/T20 matches.
 
Exclude Bangladesh and he averages 69.33 with an economy rate of 6.07. Could not even pick a wicket every match. But he is speedy Gonzalez so who gives a damn eh?
 
Finally finally people are waking up to how awful he is . People call Irfan a fraud when Riaz already robbed the vault. Has his uses time to time in tests but a failure of a limited overs bowler for the best part of decade

I'd rather go with Sami even now if I was forced to pick between the two
 
This is the idiot we decided to play over Shoaib Akhtar in 2011 WC semi.
 
ar2020 said:
This is the idiot we decided to play over Shoaib Akhtar in 2011 WC semi.
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To be honest that worked out well in that game didn't it? : Sehwag, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Zaheer.

Would Akhtar have done any better?
 
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