Warne, Border, Lehmann, Healy, Hussey & Gilchrist name their 'Best I have played with/against' XI

[Hitman]

Warne, Border, Lehmann, Healy, Hussey & Gilchrist name their 'Best I have played with/against' XI

SHANE WARNE XI

For Warne the toughest selection choice was between Adam Gilchrist and Sri Lanka’s Kumar Sangakkara to wear the gloves, but opted for his former teammate and current commentary partner. England’s Graham Gooch just edged out India’s Virender Sehwag. Alongside Sehwag and Sangakkara, the King of Spin was particularly disappointed not to find room for AB de Villiers, Rahul Dravid, Virat Kohli, Mark Waugh and Allan Border.

ALLAN BORDER XI

AB elected to pair England opener Graham Gooch alongside India legend Sunil Gavaskar at the top of the order. The strong middle order includes West Indies pair Viv Richards and Brian Lara, with Australian Greg Chappell slotting in at No.4. Ian Healy will take the gloves, with Ian Botham, Shane Warne, Malcolm Marshall and Dennis Lillee to do the bowling.

MIKE HUSSEY XI

“I had Hayden at the top. Through an embarrassment of riches, I’ve thrown Virat Kohli to the top of the order. That’s because I’ve had to fit in Ricky Ponting at three, Brian Lara at four and Sachin Tendulkar at five. To get Virat in I had to move him to the top. At six I have Jacques Kallis, who again I’d like to bat higher if I could, I can’t see him getting much of a bat anyway. Seven I’ve got Gilchrist wicketkeeping obviously. I’ve got Shane Warne at No. 8, Dale Steyn at No.9. This is where it gets really tricky, not so much with the ball but with the bat. We’ve got Pidgeon and Murali — I’m not sure which one bats No. 11, they can fight it out but I don’t think they’ll be getting a bat anyway.”

DARREN LEHMANN XI

“I had to make Dravid open to fit him in. Lara could beat Australia on his own, Tendulkar was pretty good, but Lara for the West Indies was the only one who could beat us on his own because they weren’t as strong. India had other strong players.”

ADAM GILCHRIST XI

“Murali was a tough one to leave out. The hardest bowler I’ve faced. But they all pick themselves really. Extraordinary players. “

IAN HEALY XI

Three West Indian players slot into Ian Healy’s XI. Desmond Haynes opens up alongside Australian legend Matthew Hayden, with Tendulkar, Lara and Border taking up the middle order slots. Fast bowlers Courtney Walsh, Wasim Akram and Malcolm Marshall also make the final XI, with Healy electing to have Glenn McGrath as 12th man.

Link: https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...t/news-story/8969a2ebaecbf815fc9850434f0f17e8

 

[hk031992]

Good picks. Kohli has no business opening a test innings. Langer or Smith would be much better choices.

 

[Hitman]

Good picks. Kohli has no business opening a test innings. Langer or Smith would be much better choices.

LOL, look at the title of the thread. Not a single one of those players played against Kohli.

 

[Balthazar]

Only candidate from Pak is Akram? Where as, from India, Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Kohli and even Sehwag have been mentioned.

 

[Mamoon]

LOL, look at the title of the thread. Not a single one of those players played against Kohli.

Hussey did, which is why he was the only one to pick him.

 

[Hitman]

Hussey did, which is why he was the only one to pick him.

Thanks for correcting me, never noticed that. Apologies for a wrong statement!

 

[Mamoon]

Good picks. Kohli has no business opening a test innings. Langer or Smith would be much better choices.

These all-time XIs are not always (or not necessarily) picked keeping in mind the team balance. It is more of a collection of the best eleven players that they can think of.

That is why in numerous XIs, you will have someone like Kallis batting as low as #7 or Ponting/Lara etc. at #6 which obviously does not make sense.

Kohli has reached a level where it is becoming increasingly difficult to leave him out of their all-time XIs. Every player who has played against is going to find a way to accommodate him.

 

[hk031992]

These all-time XIs are not always (or not necessarily) picked keeping in mind the team balance. It is more of a collection of the best eleven players that they can think of.

That is why in numerous XIs, you will have someone like Kallis batting as low as #7 or Ponting/Lara etc. at #6 which obviously does not make sense.

Kohli has reached a level where it is becoming increasingly difficult to leave him out of their all-time XIs. Every player who has played against is going to find a way to accommodate him.

Yes that's fair. However, i strongly believe that while you can make a #4 a #5, you can't make a number 4 an opener. It may sound good on paper but wouldn't work well in real life. Specialized positions exist for a reason.

That being said, i get their logic even if i don't agree with it.

 

[Greenstorm]

Border picked Botham over Imran

 

[Rahul1]

Border picked Botham over Imran

Opinions don't matter anymore. .

 

[BreadPakoda]

Wait...how old is Darren Lehmann? Has he really played against Malcolm Marshall?

 

[InziFans]

Border picked Botham over Imran

He's not the only one. In the all-time XIs posted by Lord's, only one picked Imran I think while 3 or 4 had Botham in their side

 

[as-95]

LOL, look at the title of the thread. Not a single one of those players played against Kohli.

As mentioned already, Hussey played against Kohli. Shane Warne also faced him in the IPL numerous times and Warne didn't include him. Did you even read the article that you posted?

 

[AMSS]

Wait...how old is Darren Lehmann? Has he really played against Malcolm Marshall?

Tendulkar played against Marshall. So Lehmann likely did in some FC match at least.

 

[Hitman]

As mentioned already, Hussey played against Kohli. Shane Warne also faced him in the IPL numerous times and Warne didn't include him. Did you even read the article that you posted?

So league cricket = international cricket?

Only one of them played against Kohli, and he pick him in his team.

 

[Hitman]

Border picked Botham over Imran

Clear case of bias by Border. Shame on Border!

 

[AMSS]

Healy chose Walsh ahead of McG, lmao.

 

[as-95]

So league cricket = international cricket?

Only one of them played against Kohli, and he pick him in his team.

Considering Warne states that he is "disappointed not to find room for AB de Villiers, Rahul Dravid, Virat Kohli, Mark Waugh and Allan Border", Warne clearly counts league cricket as playing against Kohli. As such, he is disappointed not to include Kohli in the team that he played with/against. You clearly haven't even read the article that you posted.)

The fact that you made a silly comment earlier without realising that Hussey included Kohli proves you are oblivious to the content of the article you posted

 

[Chokli]

Hussey played against Kohli when he was bad.

 

[Hitman]

Considering Warne states that he is "disappointed not to find room for AB de Villiers, Rahul Dravid, Virat Kohli, Mark Waugh and Allan Border", Warne clearly counts league cricket as playing against Kohli. As such, he is disappointed not to include Kohli in the team that he played with/against. You clearly haven't even read the article that you posted.)

The fact that you made a silly comment earlier without realising that Hussey included Kohli proves you are oblivious to the content of the article you posted

Warne didn't play international cricket against Kohli. He played league cricket against Kohli, that too when Kohli was a newbie. Both those points make it obvious the reasons why Kohli isn't there in his team. Even now, Kohli is just halfway through his career.

It would have been different if Kohli couldn't make it even after his career was over, like Imran couldn't make to the team of his contemporary Allan Border

 

[BreadPakoda]

Not even one Australian mentioned Imran Khan, forget selecting him. Yet Akram is there in almost every team. In fact Akram is the only Pakistani mentioned if I am not wrong. Genuinely waiting for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] insights on this.

 

[topspin]

Not even one Australian mentioned Imran Khan, forget selecting him. Yet Akram is there in almost every team. In fact Akram is the only Pakistani mentioned if I am not wrong. Genuinely waiting for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] insights on this.

I don't blame them because 6 of Botham's 12 MOTM awards came against Australia despite having slightly inferior stats to Imran against them. IK on the other hand only gained 1 MOTM (out of his 11) against Aus.

Botham's runs and wickets were instrumental and as clutch as you get, for e.g. famous Headingly test in 1981. He was Australia's thorn of the flesh and therefore understandably the Aussies are going to rate him more based on their playing experiences.

That doesn't make Botham a superior AR to IK in any way shape or form, the Pakistani was undoubtedly the best of the Quartet of ARs prior the 90s.

 

[topspin]

Border picked Botham over Imran

I don't blame them because 6 of Botham's 12 MOTM awards came against Australia despite having slightly inferior stats to Imran against them. IK on the other hand only gained 1 MOTM (out of his 11) against Aus.

Botham's runs and wickets were instrumental and as clutch as you get, for e.g. famous Headingly test in 1981. He was Australia's thorn of the flesh and therefore understandably the Aussies are going to rate him more based on their playing experiences.

That doesn't make Botham a superior AR to IK in any way shape or form, the Pakistani was undoubtedly the best of the Quartet of ARs prior the 90s.

[MENTION=140491]Greenstorm[/MENTION]

 

[BreadPakoda]

I don't blame them because 6 of Botham's 12 MOTM awards came against Australia despite having slightly inferior stats to Imran against them. IK on the other hand only gained 1 MOTM (out of his 11) against Aus.

Botham's runs and wickets were instrumental and as clutch as you get, for e.g. famous Headingly test in 1981. He was Australia's thorn of the flesh and therefore understandably the Aussies are going to rate him more based on their playing experiences.

That doesn't make Botham a superior AR to IK in any way shape or form, the Pakistani was undoubtedly the best of the Quartet of ARs prior the 90s.

Agree. Botham was far superior against Ozzies. However, they don't even mention IK even in the list of guys who missed out. In fact, in a way even Waz is competing with IK for a spot as IK, as per a lot of people, selects himself as a bowler and also as a batsman, not only as an all rounder. However, there is no mention anywhere to be found. That is surprising.

 

[happydavy]

Not even one Australian mentioned Imran Khan, forget selecting him. Yet Akram is there in almost every team. In fact Akram is the only Pakistani mentioned if I am not wrong. Genuinely waiting for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] insights on this.

Imran was a great player but there's a world of difference between how PPers perceive him and how the rest of the world perceives him. Though in the above list, only Border was relevant as far as Imran was concerned.

 

[topspin]

Agree. Botham was far superior against Ozzies. However, they don't even mention IK even in the list of guys who missed out. In fact, in a way even Waz is competing with IK for a spot as IK, as per a lot of people, selects himself as a bowler and also as a batsman, not only as an all rounder. However, there is no mention anywhere to be found. That is surprising.

Richie Benaud, Geoff Armstrong (cricket writer) and Dickie Bird (ATG umpire) have IK in their XIs with the latter picking him as captain.

He features in the top 10 all time cricketers of Sky's statisician (Benedict Bermange) and is David Gower's 11th best ever cricketer.

So from my memory I make that 5 prestigious XIs. You have to remember also Imran Khan is only relevant to Allan Border since the other players never had the chances to play against him.

 

[Sachin136]

All of those are pretty good teams, though there were a couple of better choices for the opening slot than Hayden.

 

[JaDed]

Lehman chose Dravid over Sachin, S Waugh might had done the same

 

[Greenstorm]

I don't blame them because 6 of Botham's 12 MOTM awards came against Australia despite having slightly inferior stats to Imran against them. IK on the other hand only gained 1 MOTM (out of his 11) against Aus.

Botham's runs and wickets were instrumental and as clutch as you get, for e.g. famous Headingly test in 1981. He was Australia's thorn of the flesh and therefore understandably the Aussies are going to rate him more based on their playing experiences.

That doesn't make Botham a superior AR to IK in any way shape or form, the Pakistani was undoubtedly the best of the Quartet of ARs prior the 90s.

Yes a lot depends on the nationality of the person making these XIs. Mathew Hayden, Jason Gillispie and Ian Healy are other such examples. Imran Khan as a bowler alone was probably better than Wasim Akram(statiscally he is). People mostly remember Imran Khan the world cup winning captain and often forget how great a test cricketer he was.

 

[Greenstorm]

Opinions don't matter anymore. .

Clear case of bias by Border. Shame on Border!

IPL contract for Border ?

 

[as-95]

Warne didn't play international cricket against Kohli. He played league cricket against Kohli, that too when Kohli was a newbie. Both those points make it obvious the reasons why Kohli isn't there in his team. Even now, Kohli is just halfway through his career.

It would have been different if Kohli couldn't make it even after his career was over, like Imran couldn't make to the team of his contemporary Allan Border

Whether Warne played international cricket against Kohli or not is irrelevant. Warne considered Kohli in his team as they played against each other in a format of cricket. The format is irrelevant and Warne is considering Kohli based on his career to this date; not based on his career when they faced each other!

Likewise, Hussey included him in the team based on his performances to this day in 2018. Otherwise Hussey wouldn't have included him in his team either as he has been retired since 2013 and Kohli was not worthy of an All Time selection in 2013.

My point is not disputing whether or not Kohli should be in Hussey/Warne's XI. In fact, I am a huge Kohli fan and consider him India's greatest batsman and superior to the record chasing and choking accumulator known as Sachin Tendulkar. My point is that you are posting articles whilst oblivious to the facts since you haven't read them properly )

 

[topspin]

Allan Border said that if he would get the chance to be reborn and had the choice of who he would be, he would want to be Wasim Akram.

Makes his exclusion from the XI a bit mysterious doesn't it?

 

[Robert]

Border picked Botham over Imran

Botham terrorised the sides Border faced.

Even in his very last match against them, the Duchess of Arundell match in 1993, a semi-serious warm-up match, when Botham had already decided to retire and was bowling slow medium, Border and the young Aussies were in awe of the bloke, expecting a wicket every ball. There was reverence in their voices, according to reports I read.

Some players transcend numbers.

 

[Buffet]

Allan Border said that if he would get the chance to be reborn and had the choice of who he would be, he would want to be Wasim Akram.

Makes his exclusion from the XI a bit mysterious doesn't it?

Favorite cricketers =/= Best cricketers for XIs.

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Anyway, IK makes into these all time XIs less frequently than Wasim and reason is not that Wasim was a far superior bowler than IK. Reason is variety to cover all bases.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I don’t remember Ian Healy playing many matches with Haydos

 

[Robert]

A bit surprised that AB picked Gooch who had that horror Ashes series in 1989 when Alderman was getting him out at will. I thought AB would have picked Greenidge.

I suppose AB remembers Gooch for the 670 runs he got in his final Ashes series, facing Warne and pretty much holding the bridge alone.

 

[jadaja]

Border picked Botham over Imran

Botham as allrounder is far better than Imran for first 50 tests. Imaran was never a true allrounder, when was great bowler he was a bowler who could bat.His batting improved only after his bowling diminished after 1987.
Botham was dynamite allrounder when he started getting to 200 wickets in 42 tests and he could walk into his team as a batsman too.

 

[Greenstorm]

Botham as allrounder is far better than Imran for first 50 tests. Imaran was never a true allrounder, when was great bowler he was a bowler who could bat.His batting improved only after his bowling diminished after 1987.
Botham was dynamite allrounder when he started getting to 200 wickets in 42 tests and he could walk into his team as a batsman too.

Others posters have already pointed out the reason for Border's choice of Botham. As for your post, Imran was overall a better all rounder than Botham. Before 1987, Imran's batting average was 30, not too bad for a bowler who can bat. Batsmen generally regress during last part of their careers but Imran improved, so he deserves credit.

 

[PakLFC]

Disappointing to see Akram being the only Pak on the list of most.

 

[Akki malhotra]

I have seen sehwag in most of the ex players list. Although only in gilchrist list this time.Truely legend sehwag.

 

[jadaja]

Others posters have already pointed out the reason for Border's choice of Botham. As for your post, Imran was overall a better all rounder than Botham. Before 1987, Imran's batting average was 30, not too bad for a bowler who can bat. Batsmen generally regress during last part of their careers but Imran improved, so he deserves credit.

Yes he deserves credit but that does not make him a great allrounder.Imran became better batsman after he stopped being a great bowler.

Botham was truely the most talented player after Sobers,he was magnificient everywhere, he was an excellent slip fielder too.

He was a party animal who never took care of his body and as he became older he became more and more useless.But when he was in prime he was the best among fab four allrounder.

 

[gazza619]

Surprised Border didnt choose Imran Khan

 

[jaguarjack]

I think Gilly's team is probably the best Xi of mid 90s-mid 2000s with Murali replacing Ambrose and maybe Gilly himself replacing Sanga.

 

[Robert]

Surprised Border didnt choose Imran Khan

Because Botham hit four centuries, took 147 wickets and, incredibly 57 of his 120 catches against Australia.


Imran hit one century, took 64 wickets and just five catches against Australia.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Imran like Kallis was rarely a true AR and that is probably why he makes less ATG XIs than Wasim Akram.

As pure AR, your Bhaijaan has often stated that Ian Botham was on his day the greatest, most high impact and matchwinnign AR of all time followed by Kapil Dev.



Hence, Impact wise :-

1. Botham
2. Kapil
3. Sobers


Statistics wise :-
1. Kallis
2. Imran
3. Sobers

 

[Tusker]

Others posters have already pointed out the reason for Border's choice of Botham. As for your post, Imran was overall a better all rounder than Botham. Before 1987, Imran's batting average was 30, not too bad for a bowler who can bat. Batsmen generally regress during last part of their careers but Imran improved, so he deserves credit.

It took 10 yrs since debut for Imran to get that avg above 30.

 

[as-95]

Imran like Kallis was rarely a true AR and that is probably why he makes less ATG XIs than Wasim Akram.

As pure AR, your Bhaijaan has often stated that Ian Botham was on his day the greatest, most high impact and matchwinnign AR of all time followed by Kapil Dev.



Hence, Impact wise :-

1. Botham
2. Kapil
3. Sobers


Statistics wise :-
1. Kallis
2. Imran
3. Sobers

Absolutely farcical statements. Imran and Kallis were both better at their second skill (batting and bowling respectively) than Wasim was at his second skill(batting). So to claim that they make less ATG XI than Wasim because they aren't true all rounders is foolish!

Impact wise, there is no all rounder that comes close to Imran. At his peak, he was arguably the greatest test bowler of all time and he played many clutch knocks as a batsman too. Imran's knock in the 1992 final to build a 139 partnership with Miandad after Pakistan were down to 24/2 demonstrates his match winning ability with his second skill compared to Botham who was bowled out for a duck in the same game. Great impact). Botham had some good games against the Australians and that is why he will often make it into an XI picked by an Australian.

However, on the most important stage of all, Botham won nothing and failed to make an impact.

Most impactful all rounders of all time:

1)Imran
2)Sobers
3)Botham

Statistics wise best all rounders:

1)Imran
2)Kallis
3)Sobers

 

[jadaja]

Absolutely farcical statements. Imran and Kallis were both better at their second skill (batting and bowling respectively) than Wasim was at his second skill(batting). So to claim that they make less ATG XI than Wasim because they aren't true all rounders is foolish!

Impact wise, there is no all rounder that comes close to Imran. At his peak, he was arguably the greatest test bowler of all time and he played many clutch knocks as a batsman too. Imran's knock in the 1992 final to build a 139 partnership with Miandad after Pakistan were down to 24/2 demonstrates his match winning ability with his second skill compared to Botham who was bowled out for a duck in the same game. Great impact). Botham had some good games against the Australians and that is why he will often make it into an XI picked by an Australian.

However, on the most important stage of all, Botham won nothing and failed to make an impact.

Most impactful all rounders of all time:

1)Imran
2)Sobers
3)Botham

Statistics wise best all rounders:

1)Imran
2)Kallis
3)Sobers

It is ridiculous to term Imran Khan as an allrounder and that too best. He was never an allrounder in true sense.

 

[as-95]

It is ridiculous to term Imran Khan as an allrounder and that too best. He was never an allrounder in true sense.

As arguably the greatest Test bowler in history at his peak, Imrak Khan's bowling is unquestionable. With a batting average of 37.69 from 88 tests and an ODI batting average of 33.41, he most certainly is an all rounder. Those averages are superior to some full-time batsmen out there! Stop hating on the greatest all rounder of all time and appreciate his greatness without blindly hating him due to jealousy!

 

[Robert]

Imran like Kallis was rarely a true AR and that is probably why he makes less ATG XIs than Wasim Akram.

As pure AR, your Bhaijaan has often stated that Ian Botham was on his day the greatest, most high impact and matchwinnign AR of all time followed by Kapil Dev.

Hence, Impact wise :-

1. Botham
2. Kapil
3. Sobers

Our Bhaijaan, are you perhaps influenced by Botham’s batting average of 70 vs India, or his century and thirteen wickets in the Centenary Test?

 

[Hitman]

It is ridiculous to term Imran Khan as an allrounder and that too best. He was never an allrounder in true sense.

What's hilarious is that neither Ian Chappell or Mike Proctor picked Imran Khan among their top 3 all rounders ever

Perhaps they knew his worth. Neither were WISDEN and Cricinfo deemed him worthy of a place in their All Time XI

 

[Hitman]

What's hilarious is that neither Ian Chappell or Mike Proctor picked Imran Khan among their top 3 all rounders ever

Perhaps they knew his worth. Neither were WISDEN and Cricinfo deemed him worthy of a place in their All Time XI

Here's the link -

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...and-Mike-Procter-s-top-five-all-rounders-ever

 

[jadaja]

What's hilarious is that neither Ian Chappell or Mike Proctor picked Imran Khan among their top 3 all rounders ever

Perhaps they knew his worth. Neither were WISDEN and Cricinfo deemed him worthy of a place in their All Time XI

Imran Khan was great bowler who became better batsman as his career progressed.

 

[Savak]

I believe one consequence of Imran diving full time into politics was that he went away from cricketing limelight and didn't give people enough opportunities to remember his impact on Cricket

 

[Bhaijaan]

Our Bhaijaan, are you perhaps influenced by Botham’s batting average of 70 vs India, or his century and thirteen wickets in the Centenary Test?

You are close brother Robert.

Ian Botham delivered against India without question THE greatest all round performances ever.

He is closely followed by Kapil a dev vs the great Windies in the 1980s when Kapil stood up to the pace quartet as a batsman as well as took out the great Windies batsmen as a bowler.

Imran was great with the ball and later on with the bat with a lot of not ours but purely as an AR package he never produced performances similar to what Botham and Kapil did in their peak. Imran could only dream of it.

Make no mistake though he was the best captain among them and his stats look amazing. He is also one f the best ever bowlers.